Neat new product Pro Guard

[Dennis Reinhart]

Here is a real neat product my friend Warren directed me to, called ProGuard this company sells all kinds of products for Police cars. I have contacted them and they will sell directly to me, I wanted to post this and see how much of interest we have, I have seen Crown Victoria Police cars as well as Marauders on the track as well as on the interstate at higher speeds the rear bumper can and does balloon, and I am sure this will cause some wind drag at higher speeds. So this company made a neat piece to go on and cover this open area.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1117252603-stock.jpg

It is real easy to install, you just remoce the 2 self taping screwws in the rear bumper cover, then take out the OEM studs on the Vapor sensor replace the OEM studs with two supplied with the kit, and just slde the whole shield in place, its a piece of cake, I am going to send one to Barry and see if we can get him closer to a 12.99 here is the finshed product.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1117248511-Proguard.jpg

[DTR04]

Here is a real neat product my friend Warren directed me to, called ProGuard this company sells all kinds of products for Police cars. I have contacted them and they will sell directly to me, I wanted to post this and see how much of interest we have, I have seen Crown Victoria Police cars as well as Marauders on the track as well as on the interstate at higher speeds the rear bumper can and does balloon, and I am sure this will cause some wind drag at higher speeds. So this company made a neat piece to go on and cover this open area.



It is real easy to install, you just remoce the 2 self taping screwws in the rear bumper cover, then take out the OEM studs on the Vapor sensor replace the OEM studs with two supplied with the kit, and just slde the whole shield in place, its a piece of cake, I am going to send one to Barry and see if we can get him closer to a 12.99 here is the finshed product.

Interested!! Nice looking product. Approximate price?

[Rider90]

Maybe it'll fix the sag too, better than my wire ties :D

Dennis, I'm not poking at you - but you might want to correct "Supplied" in the picture, probably just a typo. Thanks

[DEFYANT]

I'd give it a shot if the price is right.

[SergntMac]

Dennis, I'm not poking at you - but you might want to correct "Supplied" in the picture, probably just a typo. Thanks
That's why you use e-mail, PMs, or, telephone to make such suggestions. Doing it here, is plainly insulting.

[Rider90]

That's why you use e-mail, PMs, or, telephone to make such suggestions. Doing it here, is plainly insulting.

Sorry Dennis, we all make typos, if only you all could see how many times I click "Edit" before I'm really done with a post :D

[SergntMac]

I'd give it a shot if the price is right.
What he said ^ there, I'm game too.

I like the look, and as I figure and debate what some of my problems are, I like what this mod ofers. Tell us more?

[DEFYANT]

I like what this mod ofers. Tell us more?Like... "Will this fix an already sagging rear bumper?" :D

[SergntMac]

Like... "Will this fix an already sagging rear bumper?" :D
Cute, office...But yeah, that too...

[blackf0rk]

revove? ;)

[FiveO]

I'm in.

I've seen this happen on CV's also.

[martyo]

If teh pryce is ryte i mite bee innerested.

[fastblackmerc]

If teh pryce is ryte i mite bee innerested.
I'd be interested in one also.........

[jstevens]

Count me in.
Price and shipping please.

[RF Overlord]

^^^what he said^^^

[Petrograde]

^^^what they said^^^

[BruteForce]

count me in (if price is right).

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

If teh pryce is ryte i mite bee innerested.
Hey, thats down right insulting. :fishslap: :stooges: :neener: :wave: :run:

[CRUZTAKER]

Ok....insults, corrections, and pokes aside....:rolleyes:

I am very interested in this product and can't wait to get it on the car.

I have seen the rear bumpers on our cars at high speeds balloon out, but never made the connection that it actually becomes a parachute.

I can just imagine how much this is slowing some of us down.

Thanks Dennis. It's appreciated!

[geves]

I would be interested! Do you have a price yet?

[MM03MOK]

Tally of interest so far:

DTR04
Defyant
SergntMac
FiveO
MartyO
Fastblackmerc
Jstevens
RF Overlord
Petrograde
BruteForce
Cruztaker
Geves
SilverStreak
BK GrandMarquis
Svashtar
Valleyman
Huot5
CBT
wsmylie
Kelly
Glenn
Directedby
UAW 588
Haggis
Agent M79
duhtroll
rocknrod
the_pack_rat
03silverstreak
meninblk
Fordnut
MikesMerc
MI2QWK4U
poorjoe
shannon corkill

[SilverStreak]

Just like the oil drain deflector, another item we all need. I'm in too.:)

[BK_GrandMarquis]

Very interesting. Not trying to ruffle any feathers but just an observation. The piece goes inside of the bumper cover, leaving the lip of the cover still able to scoop air into the bumper. Is it possible to mount the piece outside of the bumper cover so it leads air around the bumper? Also can the leading edge of the part that goes to the evaporator be recessed so that it meets the trunk and again not allow air into the new piece and back into the bumper.

This is only from what I can see. Any pics from a rear or side view? On a profile view, the parts may be closer to the trunk and thus not allow air into the bumper now anyway.

[Svashtar]

Dennis, I asked you about this last month and am glad to see this is happening. I am definitely in for this. I can see some deformation in the rear bumper from the balloning out and hope this will stop it.

Just let us know the damage and I'm there!

Thanks,

Norm

[valleyman]

I'm interested if the price is right. :up:

[huot5]

^^I'm in ^^ :burnout:

[CBT]

Sounds good to me.

[wsmylie]

Neat product.... should help correct the results of a long standingFord/Panther body design flaw. Count me in too please.

[Kelly]

Sweet item, Same here Dennis.

[Glenn]

Yes, I am also definitely interested in the piece. I can see the benefit driving and 1/4.

Glenn

[Directedby]

If the price is right, count me in.

[UAW 588]

Sounds good. Count me in. :P

[Haggis]

Tally of interest so far:

DTR04
Defyant
SergntMac
FiveO
MartyO
Fastblackmerc
Jstevens
RF Overlord
Petrograde
BruteForce
Cruztaker
Geves
SilverStreak
BK GrandMarquis
Svashtar
Valleyman
Huot5
CBT
wsmylie
Kelly
Glenn
Directedby
..and..

Haggis

[Agent M79]

This sounds like a good idea. I'm in.

[duhtroll]

Also interested in price on this.

Thanks,
-A

[rocknrod]

And TWO Years latter.......I'm also interested, price ?

Thanks

[jgc61sr2002]

Dennis - Looks great. :)

[the_pack_rat]

Also interested if the price is right.

[03SILVERSTREAK]

count me in (if the price is right). :up:

[MENINBLK]

Effin' u can git us a price b4 brefas,
I might be innerestid in gittin un of dem tings fer ma ride !!!

[FordNut]

I'm in too...

[SergntMac]

I was at the race track again today, a private affair arranged by a local Mustang club, at US 41. I like this track a lot, it's fast, with a decent safety crew, and they follow most national rules. Just not as fancy as Joliet, aka "Route 66", an NHRA certified race track.

Nonetheless, I watched a blue '03 Cobra dust off the tack with sub 11 second times, and several times over. Every time he blew past me, I noticed a serious deformation of his rear bumper guard, so did everyone else.

BTW, having just followed an MM across two states, I can say that our MM bumper covers do flap against the wind produced underneath, and this rear end "upside down air foil" may indeed need our attention as we pursue lower ETs, as well as improved OTR MPG.

There is a serious "flap" following us and this repair kit may solve it. I'm very "game up" for exploring this. Aerodynamics have a LOT to do with our MM performance.

[MikesMerc]

I'm definitely interested as well.

[MI2QWK4U]

Count me in too Dennis, how much and how soon! Group buy? Sounds like you have a lot of interested folks.

[poorjoe]

I'll take one, will this help with the sagging bumper?

[shannon corkill]

Another toy needed, count me in.... :cool:

[DEFYANT]

Whats it made out of? Is it plastic?

[Joe Walsh]

I'm in.......Boy are my pockets getting HOT!!! :bounce: ....

Between the 'Godshead' metal emblems, 'S55' badges, and now the rear end air sheild the cash in my pockets immediately sublimates!

*Any Chemistry majors remember that term??? ;)

[rocknrod]

Thats me. GodsHead Emblems..........Where are those bad boys?:)

[Blackened300a]

If we really wanted to, How hard would it be to make this product ourselves?? Go some strong floor covering or those thick plastic floor pads that are placed in offices with carpeting and cut it to size, drill the holes and pick up some studs at the local home depot for less the $5. this product shouldnt cost more then $40 IMO

[Petrograde]

If we really wanted to, How hard would it be to make this product ourselves?? Go some strong floor covering or those thick plastic floor pads that are placed in offices with carpeting and cut it to size, drill the holes and pick up some studs at the local home depot for less the $5. this product shouldnt cost more then $40 IMO

I'll buy from Dennis. I've done business with him in the past,... no problems.

[MARAUDER S/C #5]

If we really wanted to, How hard would it be to make this product ourselves?? Go some strong floor covering or those thick plastic floor pads that are placed in offices with carpeting and cut it to size, drill the holes and pick up some studs at the local home depot for less the $5. this product shouldnt cost more then $40 IMO
:eek:........not another Home Depot mod!:wflag: Maybe you could use plywood and then throw some wagon wheels on the car and stain them to match.:shake:

[Donny Carlson]

This rear skid plate idea was posted up last year, the only difference being no photos were posted up in the threads. This is not to make any negative inference to the product being promoted in this thread, just that this product was a dud last year methinks because two important things were left out of the post - 1) Photos, and 2) The concept that such a product could reduce ET's by eliminating drag.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10802&highlight=skid+plate

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10520&highlight=skid+plate

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10175&highlight=skid+plate

The company referenced in the thread "Joe Coon Enterprises" had a web site, but any link to it returns an error message. Here is what Police and Security News wrote about it in their November/December 2002 issue:
Joe Coon Enterprise, Inc., of Kissimmee, FL, has come up with a solution to a problem which has plagued Crown Vic owners for sometime – torn off rear bumper covers. The Ford Crown Victoria and Police Interceptor rear bumper covers can rip off when the rear end bottoms out while turning around in medians, going through ditches or down secondary roads. CVPIs from the year 2000 to present are approximately two inches lower at the center of the rear bumper cover than previous models. If you follow a patrol car at high speed which has a loose or ripped bumper cover, you will see the cover fluttering. What the driver feels is similar to a crosswind. Coon has developed a rear skid plate to cure this situation.<O:P> </O:P>

Their skid plate fills the space between the rear of the trunk floor and the bottom leading edge of the rear bumper cover. This stops the bumper cover from acting as a scoop and getting hung up on dirt, gravel and grass. This normally would rip the cover off when the rear of the car bottoms out. The cost of the skid plate is under a hundred bucks per kit, including shipping and handling. All mounting hardware is included. This cost is well below the cost of replacing and painting the bumper cover, approximately $500.00. You can eliminate time spent filling out damage reports, pick up and delivery to the body shop, downtime in the body shop and lots of paperwork.<O:P> </O:P>

The skid plate is made of Ultra High Molecular Weight (UHMW) polymer plastic which is used on rock chutes at concrete plants and on bottoms of airboats. There are no metal parts which can cause sparks and installation takes about 30 minutes.<O:P> </O:P>

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[Svashtar]

This rear skid plate idea was posted up last year, the only difference being no photos were posted up in the threads. This is not to make any negative inference to the product being promoted in this thread, just that this product was a dud last year methinks because two important things were left out of the post - 1) Photos, and 2) The concept that such a product could reduce ET's by eliminating drag.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10802&highlight=skid+plate

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10520&highlight=skid+plate

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10175&highlight=skid+plate

The company referenced in the thread "Joe Coon Enterprises" had a web site, but any link to it returns an error message. Here is what Police and Security News wrote about it in their November/December 2002 issue:
Joe Coon Enterprise, Inc., of Kissimmee, FL, has come up with a solution to a problem which has plagued Crown Vic owners for sometime – torn off rear bumper covers. The Ford Crown Victoria and Police Interceptor rear bumper covers can rip off when the rear end bottoms out while turning around in medians, going through ditches or down secondary roads. CVPIs from the year 2000 to present are approximately two inches lower at the center of the rear bumper cover than previous models. If you follow a patrol car at high speed which has a loose or ripped bumper cover, you will see the cover fluttering. What the driver feels is similar to a crosswind. Coon has developed a rear skid plate to cure this situation.<o ="">:P> </o>:P>

Their skid plate fills the space between the rear of the trunk floor and the bottom leading edge of the rear bumper cover. This stops the bumper cover from acting as a scoop and getting hung up on dirt, gravel and grass. This normally would rip the cover off when the rear of the car bottoms out. The cost of the skid plate is under a hundred bucks per kit, including shipping and handling. All mounting hardware is included. This cost is well below the cost of replacing and painting the bumper cover, approximately $500.00. You can eliminate time spent filling out damage reports, pick up and delivery to the body shop, downtime in the body shop and lots of paperwork.<o ="">:P> </o>:P>

The skid plate is made of Ultra High Molecular Weight (UHMW) polymer plastic which is used on rock chutes at concrete plants and on bottoms of airboats. There are no metal parts which can cause sparks and installation takes about 30 minutes.<o ="">:P> </o>:P>

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Thanks for pointing this out Donny. Looks like great minds think alike. Who knows, maybe this one Dennis is setting up for us is an offshoot or next gen of that original idea?

I know he's probably out for the Holiday, but hope we hear back from Dennis on Tuesday about this. Sure has been a lot of interest in just a day!

Regards,

Norm

[hbarrett]

Yes, interested.
Here is a real neat product my friend Warren directed me to, called ProGuard this company sells all kinds of products for Police cars. I have contacted them and they will sell directly to me, I wanted to post this and see how much of interest we have, I have seen Crown Victoria Police cars as well as Marauders on the track as well as on the interstate at higher speeds the rear bumper can and does balloon, and I am sure this will cause some wind drag at higher speeds. So this company made a neat piece to go on and cover this open area.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1117252603-stock.jpg

It is real easy to install, you just remoce the 2 self taping screwws in the rear bumper cover, then take out the OEM studs on the Vapor sensor replace the OEM studs with two supplied with the kit, and just slde the whole shield in place, its a piece of cake, I am going to send one to Barry and see if we can get him closer to a 12.99 here is the finshed product.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1117248511-Proguard.jpg

[kode3]

Count me in also!

[FastMerc]

Hey Dennis that is a must have,I will purchase one.Need pricing and shipping.Any thing for better aero and gas miliage.

[metroplex]

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1117248511-Proguard.jpg

From an aerodynamics perspective, that will do hardly anything. Air can still flow into the rear bumper area.
The two "ears" on the sides that are not supported by the studs or fasteners will most likely vibrate or flap at high speeds due to the turbulent airflow.

Has anyone actually tried it on the highway?
Or is this a placebo effect product? I've never noticed other Vic bumpers "floating" or "deforming" at highway speeds even when driving behind taxis and other Panthers. I've seen a Marauder doing 90 mph on I-94 and the rear bumper (I was staring at it) looked normal.

[FordNut]

I've never noticed other Vic bumpers "floating" or "deforming" at highway speeds...
You weren't looking very closely then. I noticed it the first time I ever followed a MM and it doesn't have to be above 90. I've also seen it on CVPI at highway speeds.

[Donny Carlson]

You weren't looking very closely then. I noticed it the first time I ever followed a MM and it doesn't have to be above 90. I've also seen it on CVPI at highway speeds.
I must not be looking either, because I've followed many a MM, including Legal Knevil, as well as Crown Vics, GMs, etc, up to and including highway speeds and have never noticed this effect. I also find it odd that I don't recall ever reading about this as a problem until now. Doesn't mean that it isn't real, just that I haven't noticed it. I'll be sure to look for it now.

Interesting to me that the fix for this is a skid plate designed to keep the bumper cover from being torn loose when CVPI's scrape their rear ends, not designed to keep the bumper cover from "balooning." If you read the press release for one of these shields, you'll note mention of the cover flapping because it was torn loose. I wonder if the "ballooning" that's being seen are bumper covers that are loose because the rear of the car had been sc***** on the ground.

Also interesting that the cover can be deformed so much that it is noticable from another vehicle some feet away, yet not cause spider cracks in the paint.

Of course, my philosophy is that anything you buy for your car that makes you happy is a good purchase, so good luck and I hope you do shave some time of your ET's.

[metroplex]

Donny you're right. Most CVPIs have had the rear bumper torn off. Russ's Vic had some PD installed mod - basically they curled the rear cover and riveted it.

I've never seen the rear bumper flapping at high speeds even during high winds. I would know if I saw it because every time I check to see if its a Marauder, I look at the embossed rear bumper cover. I would have noticed if it started to balloon and become a parachute. The same goes for Mustangs (stare at it to find the GT logo or Cobra). At 80-90+ mph on the highway with high winds is a better test than the drag strip where the car is only at high speeds briefly (shorter than 15 seconds).

One thing I noticed is that Ford uses weak fasteners for the bumper covers on PURPOSE because in case of an accident, the weak fasteners will break first and allow proper deformation of the soft flexible bumper covers, rather than tear your rigid metal fenders.

And if your rear bumper cover is indeed under that much stress, wouldn't the pulling action cause the studs on your evap module to elongate the holes? I'm guessing the bolt/stud materials is harder than the trunk.

[Rider90]

I have never observed enough to notice any ballooning in the bumpers on the highway. CVPIs are everywhere so I might take notice next time.

Only strange thing I found was that I was under a 98 CVPI not too long ago and it had three little bumper tabs holding it on...not two like what we have. Why would they, in later years, remove such a functional item? Functional because it prevents a saggy bumper like my MM.

Very intresting discussion thus far...I fail to see why this Pro-Guard needs to be so wide - it looks like, per the picture, it would scoop more air up due to the excess plastic on the sides. Wouldn't the hunk of plastic in the middle do the job? the sides are not attached to anything.

To each his own, I'm poking around.

[FordNut]

I must not be looking either, because I've followed many a MM, including Legal Knevil, as well as Crown Vics, GMs, etc, up to and including highway speeds and have never noticed this effect. I also find it odd that I don't recall ever reading about this as a problem until now. Doesn't mean that it isn't real, just that I haven't noticed it. I'll be sure to look for it now.

Interesting to me that the fix for this is a skid plate designed to keep the bumper cover from being torn loose when CVPI's scrape their rear ends, not designed to keep the bumper cover from "balooning." If you read the press release for one of these shields, you'll note mention of the cover flapping because it was torn loose. I wonder if the "ballooning" that's being seen are bumper covers that are loose because the rear of the car had been sc***** on the ground.

Also interesting that the cover can be deformed so much that it is noticable from another vehicle some feet away, yet not cause spider cracks in the paint.

Of course, my philosophy is that anything you buy for your car that makes you happy is a good purchase, so good luck and I hope you do shave some time of your ET's.
There have been several threads on it, all the way back to the Ennis meet. Several of us have added a third support in the middle of the rear bumper cover to prevent it. I noticed both of the OEM mounting tabs on the wife's car are torn. I don't know if it's due to wind catching the bumper cover and pulling them apart or if it is due to some other effect, but there is no evidence of other damage.

[Marauderman]

A "before" and "after" --side view (pic) would also provde a better illustration of what all saying here---so..who can provide that pic?....

.and what so secret about no cost figures yet?...

[Joe Walsh]

I don't want to flame on this 'mod', but the more I read this thread and everyone's comments, the more I think I will make my own guard.

The main reason is what has already been mentioned: The sides extend out quite a bit and are NOT attached to anything. I would expect these 'ears' to flap and vibrate at higher freeway speeds. The ears might actually scoop up and trap more air..? :dunno:

I think that I can make a very close fitting guard that attaches at four points in the front, PLUS I might be able to make it out of sheet aluminum! (bling bling)

The Ford GT and upcoming Shelby GT500 both have aerodynamic rear 'skirts' in this area to help evacuate undercar air at high speeds....
I wonder if one could be modified to fit our Marauders? Of course our Marauders don't do 200 MPH!.......YET! :D

[Rider90]

How about that polished diamond plate aluminum stuff? that stuff is shiney...

[Petrograde]

How about that polished diamond plate aluminum stuff? that stuff is shiney...

..shiney? yes,.. but it's heavy.

[rayjay]

Count me in if the price is right.

[Blackened300a]

I don't want to flame on this 'mod', but the more I read this thread and everyone's comments, the more I think I will make my own guard.

Get Ready for the Nay sayers! I mentioned making this product myself and sarcasm was thrown my way!! Take it for what it is!! Its a piece of Thin shaped Plastic with 4 Holes Drilled in it!!! Not only that, Its not Wide enough to completely stop air from getting under the bumper. It gives a nice cleaner look to the bottom of the car, Ill agree with that, but I dont see how how this product will protect your your rear bumper from "ballooning" Like I said Before IMO this product shouldnt cost more then $40

[duhtroll]

That avatar is mucho hilarioso, blackened.

-A

[Petrograde]

That avatar is mucho hilarioso, blackened.

-A

yeah,.. that's friggin' great.

[Blackened300a]

Thanks Feel free to use it I dont mind

[metroplex]

I just went and tugged on the rear bumper cover of my Vic. I inspected the two bolts holding the cover and there was no sign of elongation or warping that you'd expect to see if the cover "Deformed" or "ballooned" at high speeds.
There wasn't much play for the cover to move around.

[Donny Carlson]

There have been several threads on it, all the way back to the Ennis meet. Several of us have added a third support in the middle of the rear bumper cover to prevent it. I noticed both of the OEM mounting tabs on the wife's car are torn. I don't know if it's due to wind catching the bumper cover and pulling them apart or if it is due to some other effect, but there is no evidence of other damage.

I recall threads about sagging covers, but not about "ballooning" by covers scooping up air. I'll so some searches.

Again, I am not saying it isn't something that's happening, just that I haven't seen it myself.

Edit: Okay, I did a search with "ballooning" and the only thread that uses it in connection with the bumper cover is this one. "Sagging" produced several threads about how the center of the rear cover sags or droops (somebody called it the "poopie pants" look), and there's dicussion of how it appears to "flop" around at speeds, the solution being a bracket installed.

I think this is where the confusion lies.... there's a big difference between describing "ballooning" of the bumper cover, which in my mind says that air is causing the cover to expand like a balloon and bulge out, and "flopping" of the bottom middle of the bumper cover because it is loose or not secured adequately.

Again, if this shield makes the cover be fastened more securely, makes airflow smoother such that buffeting is eliminated (and stops "flopping"), then it's not a bad thing. If you like the product and think it beneficial, buy it.

[jstevens]

I think that since Dennis has sent one to Barry or will be sending one we should wait until he installs.

Then have someone behind him while he gets up to 100mph so we can see what happens with the Proguard shield on it.

[Directedby]

The CV has 3 screws holding the base of the bumper.

2 on the ends and one in the middle.

The Marauder has 2 screws total and is missing the screw and flange in the middle.

Most Marauders after some time get the sag in the middle because this screw is not there.

If you travel at high speeds, it only makes sense that the wind would pull down the bumper causing this baloon effect.

[metroplex]

The CV has 3 screws holding the base of the bumper.

2 on the ends and one in the middle.

The Marauder has 2 screws total and is missing the screw and flange in the middle.

Most Marauders after some time get the sag in the middle because this screw is not there.

If you travel at high speeds, it only makes sense that the wind would pull down the bumper causing this baloon effect.

I have a 2000 Crown Vic. I only have 2 screws/2 brackets holding the rear bumper cover. It has been 5 years and there's no sagging in the middle.
Are you guys getting hit in the rear by small Hondas or something?

[Dennis Reinhart]

First of all sagging and ballooning are to separate issues if you drive this car at high speeds the rear bumper fills with air because its completely open. I have seen the bumper flap around, this skid plate was designed to cover that open area, I called this morning for pricing and the cost will be 35.00 plus shipping. The sagging may come from exhaust heat, I am not sure but I do think the skid plate would help at higher speeds. I have ordered five of these so if I can help give me a call.

[CRUZTAKER]

Eww...I can't wait! :D

[Petrograde]

count me in....

[MM03MOK]

Tally of interest so far:

DTR04
Defyant
SergntMac
FiveO
MartyO
Fastblackmerc
Jstevens
RF Overlord
Petrograde
BruteForce
Cruztaker
Geves
SilverStreak
BK GrandMarquis
Svashtar
Valleyman
Huot5
CBT
wsmylie
Kelly
Glenn
Directedby
UAW 588
Haggis
Agent M79
duhtroll
rocknrod
the_pack_rat
03silverstreak
meninblk
Fordnut
MikesMerc
MI2QWK4U
poorjoe
shannon corkill
Joe Walsh
Petrograde
hbarrett
kode3
FastMerc
rayjay
MarauderMark!

[MarauderMark]

Thank you Bunny :D

[jstevens]

I can't wait. I looked under the car and check'ed out the bolts. Do you just use a socket to take out the ones from the bumper?

Also, noticed my bumper can wiggle a little. Hope thats normal.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Again I have installed it on my car, it blocks the opening thats back there. I posted before and after pictures, this company sells this to all Police agencies, so I thought there would be of a interest here thats why I posted it, every little bit helps when you are looking for the magic number as Barry is, so again I never said it was for every one, but I do think its a neat idea.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1117252603-stock.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1117248511-Proguard.jpg

[SergntMac]

In a few days, I will rename my Marauder from "Patches" to "OG", pronounced "Oh Gee!" Why? After 3 full years on the blacktop as a registered vehicle, my Marauder is one of the "Original Gang" from the first production run after official release. A few days after that, I will be an "OG" owner too, as an original 2002 300A owner.

Since then, I have driven my Marauder all over the country, and quite often following other MMs at highway speeds, or, better. I have also watched MMs race to high speeds at too many tracks to list here. Therefore, I consider myself an expert witness here, because I've seen a lot of MM bumpers, and I've seen them flopping around.

The rear bumper cover flops at many speeds, just not highway and top speed. The faster you go, the more it flops, but it flops at 30 MPH too. You notice this more when the MM you're following has reflective inserts, and dusk asks you to turn your headlights on. But, even in "high noon" sunlight, every MM bumper I have followed, flops around.

Surely, it's mounting points will fatigue someday, and I'd like to stall that date as long as possible. However weak, or, strong you personally view bumper cover mounts, they will eventually fail, and what ever I can do now and however half-effective this kit may be in addressing fatigue, I need to look at this mod, ASAP.

Dennis, send me a kit, please?

[03SILVERSTREAK]

Count me in as well Dennis...:D
First of all sagging and ballooning are to separate issues if you drive this car at high speeds the rear bumper fills with air because its completely open. I have seen the bumper flap around, this skid plate was designed to cover that open area, I called this morning for pricing and the cost will be 35.00 plus shipping. The sagging may come from exhaust heat, I am not sure but I do think the skid plate would help at higher speeds. I have ordered five of these so if I can help give me a call.

[Marauderman]

Well, enuf said for me---please count me in .....money seem right--the idea seem right-----it has to be helpful ---and it surely can't hurt......a no brainer .........whats the count now....Tom

[rayjay]

This piece looks like it will also stop all the salt, sand, gravel from accumulating in the rear bumper in winter. Its a must for me just for that reason. Looks like we have enough interest for a group buy???

[duhtroll]

I'm in on the "group buy," too. (we should be able to make one even if there isn't a discount with all of the interest here)

what did I just say? I'm actually buying something?

Prob'ly 'cuz it's only $35 and I can actually afford that. :)

I'll have it tested ASAP to see if it lowers ETs, too.

-A

[mpearce]

I will follow suit with the rest of my brethren...

Please mark me down for one. Thanks.

-Mat

[LordVader]

:help: I have never had the privilege of following behind another Marauder and was unaware of the flopping around of the rear bumper skin. I have read about the sagging issue. So after reading Sarge's informative paragraphs I say "count me in". This looks like something that should have been on the car in the first place!

[captJ696]

Dennis, count me in too....PM me providing particulars at your next opportunity.

[hbarrett]

Ordered mine from Debbie today.
Dennis, count me in too....PM me providing particulars at your next opportunity.

[ocsoofficer]

Yep, I would go for one, too. How 'bout a group buy, maybe we can bring price down with it.

PS
As you can see, I'm still quite a newbie with only 2 posts. Thanks for the priviledge of posting here :)

[1stMerc]

Highly logical captain. Count me in

[LCSO34]

I'm in, I have seen the ballooning while following other CVPI on the interstate. Also its originally made for PI to help keep stuff from catching the bumper and ripping it, i.e. crossing the interstate median. The rips start at the corners around the exhaust indentions. Once just slightly tore at the corners it eventually will rip up 6-7 inches. Then the ballooning goes to flapping.:D

[Dennis Reinhart]

Order status I will recieve ten on the 15th we have seven confirmed orders

[Wires]

I never thought about this until I followed my Marauder to the body shop to fix my other car. (Wife can't drive the manual trans, so I got to look at the back end of my Marauder the whole way.)

I noticed that the "Marauder" on (engraved in?) the bumper was bouncing up and down, as the center of the bumper cover "jiggled."

Is this the same problem this product is designed to address?

I understand the sagging - it seems the old "hose clamp, bent piece of strap and screw" method is very cost effective for that - but that jiggle just bothered me.

[mpearce]

we have seven confirmed orders
How do you "confirm" an order? Because I would like to confirm mine. Thanks.

-Mat

[O's Fan Rich]

Dennis,
I guessing we should call you and place the order?

[rayjay]

Ordered mine a half hour ago. Keeping my fingers crossed it arrives in time for our vacation trek to SC.

[John F. Russo]

With so many saying yes, how can we all be wrong?

So I'm in on this one too.

There are so many pages, did anyone say what the material of construction is?

[03SILVERSTREAK]

Order status I will recieve ten on the 15th we have seven confirmed orders
Ordered mine today. Thanks Dennis...;) :cool:

[MarauderTJA]

Order status I will recieve ten on the 15th we have seven confirmed orders
Dennis, please count me in for one. Thanks,

TOM, Cape Coral, Florida

[rocknrod]

I just ordered mine today, Wooo Hooo.
Thank you for staying around for the order Dennise.

[Dennis Reinhart]

LOL I ordered 10 more today:beer: :beer: :beer:

[Petrograde]

can I order them from your website? I hate giving my card numbers over my cell phone,.. no land line here.

[Mikeenh]

Dennis....I'm in.

[drobin]

Dennis,

I'm calling you tomorrow to place my order..

drobin
Donald

[Gryphonzus]

Tally of interest so far:

DTR04
Defyant
SergntMac
FiveO
MartyO
Fastblackmerc
Jstevens
RF Overlord
Petrograde
BruteForce
Cruztaker
Geves
SilverStreak
BK GrandMarquis
Svashtar
Valleyman
Huot5
CBT
wsmylie
Kelly
Glenn
Directedby
UAW 588
Haggis
Agent M79
duhtroll
rocknrod
the_pack_rat
03silverstreak
meninblk
Fordnut
MikesMerc
MI2QWK4U
poorjoe
shannon corkillgryphonzus

[Gryphonzus]

I am also interested count me in. I PM'ed Dennis to find out how to order one. I hope he has some left at this rate. I have seen many of these bumpers flopping around on the hiway.

[Ricka11]

Dennis:

I'm in. Will be calling first thing in the morning to order. I have never seen this balloning effect myself but you can't argue with the responses. This is the best damn site on the web. Now if only DMV could be this helpful. Thanks to everybody on this thread!

[metroplex]

ROFLMAO @ "OG" comment.

The Marauder body styling is inherently the same as the 98-up Panther body styling, which itself is derived from the 96-97 Grand Marquis styling. I've neither heard of nor seen the problem exist on 98-up Panthers unless there has been damage done to the rear bumper cover and/or the mounts... like a Police car jumping a curb or doing typical manuevers.

The Pro Guard is a solution looking for a problem.

I've seen some wacky modifications done on Police cars, that does not make them good modifications. Some PDs choose to rivet their bumper covers to the rear bumper!

[Marauder386]

Gimme a day or so and I will post some pics of retired CVPI's with evidence of severe BAH-LOONING bumper damage...then some floppy bottomed MM's...

:coolman:

[Dennis Reinhart]

can I order them from your website? I hate giving my card numbers over my cell phone,.. no land line here.

I believe you can its not listed I will try and get it up in the next few days

[Marauderman]

Add another to the list--My order just in and completed--arrive next week--YAHOO!! My car will come out of the shop skidding .....:lol:..

[Petrograde]

I believe you can its not listed I will try and get it up in the next few days

Thanks!!!!!!!! :up: :cuke:

[SergntMac]

[/QUOTE]
ROFLMAO @ "OG" comment.

The Marauder body styling is inherently the same as the 98-up Panther body styling, which itself is derived from the 96-97 Grand Marquis styling. I've neither heard of nor seen the problem exist on 98-up Panthers unless there has been damage done to the rear bumper cover and/or the mounts... like a Police car jumping a curb or doing typical manuevers.

The Pro Guard is a solution looking for a problem.

I've seen some wacky modifications done on Police cars, that does not make them good modifications. Some PDs choose to rivet their bumper covers to the rear bumper!
I'm pleased that you find my post entertaining, happy that you got a good laugh from it. You need more of that, yes?

But, I have to ask you something...Ummm...Are we supposed to care about your opinion?

If we are, well, just mark me late for class? I'll do my detention later this week? Okay with you?

BTW, I admire your choice of words. Quite focused, bravo.

"Whacky"

Do this much?

[Donny Carlson]

Ummm...Are we supposed to care about your opinion?
Only if "we" agree with it, otherwise no.

[LCSO34]

Count me in also, Dennis I will order week after next when I get back. I am also going to print the pictures out and take them to the S.O. to see if the powers that be are interested, especially on the new cars. I be we have at least five older cars with flapping bumpers.:D

[Captain Steve]

Quote:
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ROFLMAO @ "OG" comment.

The Marauder body styling is inherently the same as the 98-up Panther body styling, which itself is derived from the 96-97 Grand Marquis styling. I've neither heard of nor seen the problem exist on 98-up Panthers unless there has been damage done to the rear bumper cover and/or the mounts... like a Police car jumping a curb or doing typical manuevers.

The Pro Guard is a solution looking for a problem.

I've seen some wacky modifications done on Police cars, that does not make them good modifications. Some PDs choose to rivet their bumper covers to the rear bumper!

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I'm pleased that you find my post entertaining, happy that you got a good laugh from it. You need more of that, yes?

But, I have to ask you something...Ummm...Are we supposed to care about your opinion?

If we are, well, just mark me late for class? I'll do my detention later this week? Okay with you?

BTW, I admire your choice of words. Quite focused, bravo.

"Whacky"

Do this much?Sometimes, I think we take the sarcasm a bit far. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if you think they are wrong, you're free to say so. However much you disagree with them, I think it's wrong to say that their opinion doesn't count.

Lets not turn this thread into yet another argument. Some people like this mod, others think it's not needed. If we just stick to that, instead of insults and personal attacks, this will be a great thread. If we start flaming each other, then the thread loses it's information value.


This is one of the best boards on the internet for information gathering, because we tend to have a low percentage of "noise" and alot of good info. I for one would like to see it stay that way.

[jstevens]

Dennis,

Confirmed and placed order with Sheila this morning. Thanks for offering a nice product.

I can't wait to get it and see if it feels any different on the freeway.

[AzMarauder]

Tally of interest so far:

DTR04
Defyant
SergntMac
FiveO
MartyO
Fastblackmerc
Jstevens
RF Overlord
Petrograde
BruteForce
Cruztaker
Geves
SilverStreak
BK GrandMarquis
Svashtar
Valleyman
Huot5
CBT
wsmylie
Kelly
Glenn
Directedby
UAW 588
Haggis
Agent M79
duhtroll
rocknrod
the_pack_rat
03silverstreak
meninblk
Fordnut
MikesMerc
MI2QWK4U
poorjoe
shannon corkill
A latecomer.. but interested

[Dennis Reinhart]

All I can say is wow!!!!!!! I ordered ten more sets today :beer:

[03SILVERSTREAK]

Let the Fun Continue...:rasta: :up: :bounce: :high5:
All I can say is wow!!!!!!! I ordered ten more sets today :beer:

[warren]

There is a thread going back to when I first purshased my 03MM -2002-
that mentioned the rear bumper catching air. The dealer added a third
middle support to stop the bulging as in most of the HP and police cars.
I took the police & CHP Chills and Thrills driving course last summer with my son and all of the cars had bumper bulge. Mine caught lots of air but did not bulge because of the added support.

I installed this neat new piece about 2 1/2 months ago. (30 minutes)
Very Easy install.
It does make the rear bumper much more rigid and keeps the air out.
Does not flap./ It's very solid.
You can not install it under the bumper outside.
I wanted to make my rear slip thru air easier and add strength to
the bumper. Remember, many of our cars can do over 150.
Mission accomplished.
I felt it was very cheap insurance and a small performance mod.
Especially after looking at the bottom of a Ford GT which is covered.

Enjoy,
Warren

[huot5]

:beatnik: Cool. paypal sent last week; when are they expected to arrive?

This is one mod that needs to be done asap.

[MM03MOK]

Ordered....along with the trunk bib. :D

[RF Overlord]

You can not install it under the bumper outside.Warren, can you amplify on this comment a little?

[the_pack_rat]

Ordered....along with the trunk bib. :D

DAMN.

I FORGOT about those ... just ordered the shield today on the phone too.

Nuther' phone call I guess.

[MNMarauder]

sooooooooooooooo when are we going to be able to buy these???????????? INTERNA424@AOL.COM I might know a police department interested too.

[blown & bad]

Looks good to me HOW MUCH ???

[BruteForce]

sooooooooooooooo when are we going to be able to buy these???????????? INTERNA424@AOL.COM I might know a police department interested too.


Looks good to me HOW MUCH ???

Call Dennis to get pricing & to order. (904) 276-5003

[warren]

Warren, can you amplify on this comment a little?
RF Overlord,
In an prior post it was suggested to install it below the rear bumper and
outside of it.
You can't. It goes between the brackets on our MM's and the bumper,
thus it ends up on the lower lip of the bumper. It is a nice tight fit.
It actually extends into the bumper cavity. You will see when you
install. Works like a charm.

Good Luck,

Warren

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well I just ordered 10 more :beer: :cool4: :cool4: :cool4:

[BruteForce]

Well I just ordered 10 more :beer: :cool4: :cool4: :cool4:

Sounds like you're getting a stampede on these. Any news on anticipated ship date?

[Marauderman]

Add another to the list--My order just in and completed--arrive next week--YAHOO!! My car will come out of the shop skidding .....:lol:..
......well, its been a week since you order 10 more----have you begun mailing any out yet?

[Dennis Reinhart]

I will send them as soon as I get them same day, were calling now to check on the status

[N40GL]

We're calling now to check on the status

Echoing our phone call, count me in too, Dennis. I'll call you in a week with the CC information.

Mark

[Tassfrasca]

im in too :D

[rayjay]

......well, its been a week since you order 10 more----have you begun mailing any out yet?mine already posted up on my account. I hope it went out last week. I'd like to have it on before heading south on vacation friday.

[LVMarauder]

*Any Chemistry majors remember that term??? ;)


Going from solid to gas phases instantly, "skipping" the liquid phase.

Chem Eng @ UCSB baby.

[Joe Walsh]

Going from solid to gas phases instantly, "skipping" the liquid phase.

Chem Eng @ UCSB baby.


WOW! I forgot that I even posted that! :up:

[03SILVERSTREAK]

I will send them as soon as I get them same day, were calling now to check on the status
Has mine gone out???

[jstevens]

I can't wait to get this. Not only will it increase the bling factor but will be functional as well.

Hurry, hurry.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I called Pro Guard today they sent 15 out they are making 25 more they go out next week and I am ordering 10 more for spare I sould send the first 15 out friday

[rayjay]

Thanks for the update Dennis. I'll tell my dog sitter to look for the brown truck end of next week.

[John F. Russo]

I'm in.......Boy are my pockets getting HOT!!! :bounce: ....

Between the 'Godshead' metal emblems, 'S55' badges, and now the rear end air sheild the cash in my pockets immediately sublimates!

*Any Chemistry majors remember that term??? ;)


I had to think about it for a moment. Then I got it.

It is a phenomenon that occurs when a solid changes its phase from solid to a gas without becoming a liquid.

Old Chemist

[03SILVERSTREAK]

I called Pro Guard today they sent 15 out they are making 25 more they go out next week and I am ordering 10 more for spare I sould send the first 15 out friday
Were any sent out today???:D

[FordNut]

I got mine. It was delivered to my work address (as I requested) Friday, but I didn't have access to it until I drove down here this evening. It's really thick plastic, should be very durable. I'll install it tomorrow and update.

[jspradii]

I'm gonna order mine in the next few days. Whatta concept!:beer:

[mpearce]

3 weeks, no proguard, any updates?


-Mat

[huot5]

mine arrived on June 30. I took it out today. what a snap to install. I will prolly make that modified L bracket to hold up the center section of the rear bumper.:banana:

[CRUZTAKER]

Hey Dennis...I know we spoke of the possibility of it not fitting with my HITCH mod I recently did, but I still want to try it anyway.

I am back on your list officially.

I'll call you Saturday to confirm shipping info.

[schuvwj]

Dennis I'll take one also.

[Dennis Reinhart]

UPS brought every thing today:beer: :beer:


all orders are ready to go out including bumper bibs:banana: :banana:

[67435animal]

UPS brought every thing today:beer: :beer:


all orders are ready to go out including bumper bibs:banana: :banana:

Add me to the list. I prefer to order on line, if possible.

Bob

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well all the orders we had are filled, and are on the way. I have two left over and I ordered ten more also I sent out ten Bumper bibs and ordered ten more, so thank you for the orders and your patients

[drobin]

Dennis, what is a bumper bib???

drobin
"Donald"

[Dennis Reinhart]

Dennis, what is a bumper bib???

drobin
"Donald"http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1112734255-Marauderbib.jpg

[FordNut]

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1112734255-Marauderbib.jpg
Dennis,
Got a pic of one of the new batch with MARAUDER embroidered in the material? I reckon since they're shipped already one of us can post pics when they arrive.

[00 Aggie]

Do you know when the Proguard will appear on the website?

[Dennis Reinhart]

Do you know when the Proguard will appear on the website?
There adding this today

[Wires]

Uh, I hate to sound like a DA (and I don't mean District Attorney) but is my problem the same one that this device addresses? I think my earlier reply got lost in the shuffle.



I never thought about this until I followed my Marauder to the body shop to fix my other car. (Wife can't drive the manual trans, so I got to look at the back end of my Marauder the whole way.)

I noticed that the "Marauder" on (engraved in?) the bumper was bouncing up and down, as the center of the bumper cover "jiggled."

Is this the same problem this product is designed to address?

I understand the sagging - it seems the old "hose clamp, bent piece of strap and screw" method is very cost effective for that - but that jiggle just bothered me.

[rocknrod]

My Pro-Gaurd came in, But I'm in Illinois......:(

[Mikeenh]

If you have a trailer hitch, the proguard won't fit :mad:

[Dennis Reinhart]

You May Be Able To Trim Around It

[MENINBLK]

I can't find the PRO GUARD on your website...

[rocknrod]

.....

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1117248511-Proguard.jpgI messed up. I put mine outside the bumper. When I get back home I will change it. :(

[rayjay]

I messed up. I put mine outside the bumper. When I get back home I will change it. :(Did mine wrong to, I guess I'll change it. :dunno: All fixed :D must have had a brain fart the day I installed it. Thanks rocknrod for calling it to my attention.