Turbo anyone?

[glassman99]

http://www.proturbokits.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=78

Has anyone tried this? Check out the video.

[Rider90]

http://www.proturbokits.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=78

Has anyone tried this? Check out the video.
Atleast one person has done this, and some others are experimenting now.

[DEFYANT]

I look forward to hearing more about one of these cars....

[BillyGman]

Many people here speak of how great it would be to turbocharge a Marauder, however, I've yet to see a post by anyone claiming a quartermile ET, or a dyno run who has put their money where their keyboard is on this issue. And I'm talking specifically about Marauders here. The two big questions I believe would be cost, and ground clearence since it's been reported that a pipe would have to go underneath the K-member on the Marauder, because there just isn't any room for it to go over it.


Some people make strong claims that it wouldn't present ground clearence issues for a STREET driven Marauder, but I for one would be skeptical about having to drive over an occassional speed bump with a set-up like that w/out collapsing that pipe. I don't dispute the power potential for a good turbo set-up. I just wonder about the cost and practicality of the application due to the K-member problem. And anything in favor or against that, is only speculation until someone here comes up with ET's and dyno #'s as well as cost #'s for Their Turbocharged Marauder, and not Joe blow's.

[SergntMac]

Hang on a few hours, y'all, I should be getting some pics of Ernie's PTK install this afternoon, on my way home from work. He's up and running around in his '04 MM, but I couldn't hook up with him yesterday due to local weather conditions.

As for ground clearance, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I know my MM is only 4.5" off the ground at the A pillar, and my 2.5" exhaust doesn't scrape on speed bumps, 'cause I have two in my alley. Nonetheless, Ernie has a "bone stock" '04 MM, nothing on it but 17" MT slicks, which I think he'll be twisting up quite nicely.

With regards to ETs and such, it will be two weeks before this MM gets on the dyno, due to Jerry VanDerlinde's (premier SCT tuner @ Sutton Ford) summer vacation, but I'm sure we'll see some development soon enough. Lot's of summer left after that for the 1320 stuff, eh?

Stay tuned?

[SergntMac]

Stay tuned?
I asked y'all to stay tuned, and you have, thank you.

In return, y'all are rewarded with a peek at some pics of the very first privately owned MM to be turbocharged, ever.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6429&cat=500&page=2

This is only an introduction to my MM.Net gallery, I have another ten, or, so pics posted there for y'all, and I promise to enhance this post tomorrow morning.

I tried to grab some underneath pics, but a storm was chasing us home. Anytime you see some "low" shots, try to imagine what I was seeing with my own eyes, while a tornado was bearing down on us? There is no "low pipe" here, it's all tucked in real tight, and "speed bumps" inspire laughter.

Got to pause...catch my breath...

This MM has not been tuned, there are no performance stats, or 1/4 mile numbers to chew on yet. It's just "up and running" right now, and running from a storm. Tune in again?

[cyclone03]

Nice pics Mac!
Wheres the shot taken with you laying on the ground with a tape measure?


BTW I've seen 2 Turbo Marauders.
Remember I live about 10miles from PTK.

The car used in their Video runs very hard,but I have no numbers to report.
(We still have a very active outlaw street race seen).

I should have some free time in the coming weeks so I think I'll go hang out at PTK...

[maraudernkc]

SergntMac, thanks for the first photos. Are they running 1 or 2 intercoolers and where are they mounted?

Thanks


I asked y'all to stay tuned, and you have, thank you.

In return, y'all are rewarded with a peek at some pics of the very first privately owned MM to be turbocharged, ever.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6429&cat=500&page=2

This is only an introduction to my MM.Net gallery, I have another ten, or, so pics posted there for y'all, and I promise to enhance this post tomorrow morning.

I tried to grab some underneath pics, but a storm was chasing us home. Anytime you see some "low" shots, try to imagine what I was seeing with my own eyes, while a tornado was bearing down on us? There is no "low pipe" here, it's all tucked in real tight, and "speed bumps" inspire laughter.

Got to pause...catch my breath...

This MM has not been tuned, there are no performance stats, or 1/4 mile numbers to chew on yet. It's just "up and running" right now, and running from a storm. Tune in again?

[BillyGman]

MAC, if the "speed bumps"comment is so "laughable", then where are the pics taken form underneath? You had time to take pics, but not even one from underneath? Like I previously stated, I don't dispute the power potentials of a turbo set-up for Marauders, but so far, only people who haven't put their $$ where their keyboards are have raved about them. When I see an OWNER of a turbocharged Marauder come on here and share his ET's with us, as well as his pics from underneath his car, then I'll begin recommending them to people who inquire such as the person who started this thread.Otherwise, it can be misleading.

You have previously stated that a Kenne belle twin-screw Supercharger set-up would merely take 8 hours to install on a Marauder, and yet, there's only one guy who has that on his Marauder, and his story was VERY different than yours. So until an owner of a turbocharged Marauder who isn't trying to sell us anything, but who is merely a consumer as most of us are comes on here with pics and #'s, all of the various opinions about turbocharged Marauders should only be taken with a grain of salt including mine.

BTW, I will concede that IF the pipe that goes underneath the K-member is only that low at the point where it's directly between the two front wheels, then speed bumps probably won't pose a threat since both front tires will be passing over them. Any ground clearence issues (if there are any) would be encountered while passing over something on the road (be it a bump or foreign object) that's between the two front tires, or that only one tire passes over on one side. But again, all of this is speculation until someone who actually owns one and who drives it often on the street as most of us do with our Marauders, actually posts here.

[rocknrod]

Looks like theres lots of clearance:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC00299.JPG

[BillyGman]

Looks like theres lots of clearance:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC00299.JPGWait a minute, let me find a telescope. :baaa:

[Turbo Ernie]

MAC, if the "speed bumps"comment is so "laughable", then where are the pics taken form underneath? You had time to take pics, but not even one from underneath? Like I previously stated, I don't dispute the power potentials of a turbo set-up for Marauders, but so far, only people who haven't put their $$ where their keyboards are have raved about them. When I see an OWNER of a turbocharged Marauder come on here and share his ET's with us, as well as his pics from underneath his car, then I'll begin recommending them to people who inquire such as the person who started this thread.Otherwise, it can be misleading.

You have previously stated that a Kenne belle twin-screw Supercharger set-up would merely take 8 hours to install on a Marauder, and yet, there's only one guy who has that on his Marauder, and his story was VERY different than yours. So until an owner of a turbocharged Marauder who isn't trying to sell us anything, but who is merely a consumer as most of us are comes on here with pics and #'s, all of the various opinions about turbocharged Marauders should only be taken with a grain of salt including mine.

BTW, I will concede that IF the pipe that goes underneath the K-member is only that low at the point where it's directly between the two front wheels, then speed bumps probably won't pose a threat since both front tires will be passing over them. Any ground clearence issues (if there are any) would be encountered while passing over something on the road (be it a bump or foreign object) that's between the two front tires, or that only one tire passes over on one side. But again, all of this is speculation until someone who actually owns one and who drives it often on the street as most of us do with our Marauders, actually posts here. Well, I guess the person you are looking to talk to would be me. Let me start by saying I do not have much time to come on here so as far as going back and forth in a battle of good, better, best, you will not be getting that from me... I lost about 2 1/2 inches total. I live in Chicago, we are not known for having smooth streets so you are raised to avoid any and everything that might threaten to leave your ride on the back of a hook. If your are interested in crusing in alleys or doing baja with your MM this might not be the kit for you. Myself I treat my car with respect and do everthing possible to avoid hitting cars, getting hit by cars, watching where I park, and a host of other precautions in order to keep it in show room condition. With that being said I think I would try to look where I am driving so I can avoid ANYTHING in the road way. Ok, now that I addressed that issue I will move on to the turbo and supercharger issue. I also own a 04 Cobra, it is a very nice car and very fast. I put big money into this car... Let me tell you if I had to do it again I would take that eaton off and put a turbo on it and run low ten's on pump gas. I am not much for posting my ET's but will consider it do to the speculation. This car untuned will break it off in someones rear without even thinking twice. 9psi is 9psi no matter super or turbo they are very similar in numbers. Everyone take this post in a middle of the road mind set, I do not speculate on things that are not proven I sit back and hold my condisending remarks and wait for numbers or to see what ever it might be with my own two eyes. To take the wind out of ones sails before they are even hoisted shows alot about ones character... Thanks all, we should have a winner here only time will tell.

[BillyGman]

Seems like you've taken things kinda personal Ernie. However, you cannot dispute the fact that until you come up with ET's and/or Dyno #'s, then nobody here can go running out to spend their $$ on a Turbocharger based solely on your post nor on anyone's post. That was, and is, my main point. And you haven't confirmed nor denied that a pipe has to be run under the K-member of the Marauder with a Turbo set-up. Do you mind sharing? Congrats on your Turbocharged Marauder.

[Turbo Ernie]

Many people here speak of how great it would be to turbocharge a Marauder, however, I've yet to see a post by anyone claiming a quartermile ET, or a dyno run who has put their money where their keyboard is on this issue. And I'm talking specifically about Marauders here. The two big questions I believe would be cost, and ground clearence since it's been reported that a pipe would have to go underneath the K-member on the Marauder, because there just isn't any room for it to go over it.


Some people make strong claims that it wouldn't present ground clearence issues for a STREET driven Marauder, but I for one would be skeptical about having to drive over an occassional speed bump with a set-up like that w/out collapsing that pipe. I don't dispute the power potential for a good turbo set-up. I just wonder about the cost and practicality of the application due to the K-member problem. And anything in favor or against that, is only speculation until someone here comes up with ET's and dyno #'s as well as cost #'s for Their Turbocharged Marauder, and not Joe blow's. It was $4750.00 to my front door. I bought a SCT for $400.00 and it is going to cost me $400.00 to have it dyno tunned. I know someone that one with what I just siad done to his and he ran very good numbers' I am not at liberty to state the exact times but I will say he made a vette on tires look like he put his car in reverse...

[BillyGman]

Thanks for posting Ernie. I look forward to your future posts about this as you are willing to share more info, and as you obtain more info from your new Turbo Marauder experience, as I'm sure that others also look forward to that.

[Turbo Ernie]

Seems like you've taken things kinda personal Ernie. However, you cannot dispute the fact that until you come up with ET's and/or Dyno #'s, then nobody here can go running out to spend their $$ on a Turbocharger based solely on your post nor on anyone's post. That was, and is, my main point. And you haven't confirmed nor denied that a pipe has to be run under the K-member of the Marauder with a Turbo set-up. Do you mind sharing? Congrats on your Turbocharged Marauder. Sorry for taking that post personal, I just think we are all on the same team and the post seemed a little harsh but I now understand. Yes the pipe does run under the K. I did not like the idea myself and wish it did not, but it does and now that I have it on I do not see a problem with it. I am not used to things going under the K frame but that is the only reason I was uncomfortable about it. The kit is wroth every penny and I would do it all over again. The numbers that they are advertising are pretty good 460rwhp and 510rwtq but we will see how I do. I dont know what kind of dyno they used and there are many more factors. I am not trying to talk anyone into buying a turbo kit it is up to what the persons interests are, I myself think it is the end of the world, but that is only my opinion. If you have any other questions fire away, I don't get much time to get on here but when I do I will do my best to answer any questions.

[BillyGman]

Sorry for taking that post personal, I just think we are all on the same team and the post seemed a little harsh but I now understand. Yes the pipe does run under the K. I did not like the idea myself and wish it did not, but it does and now that I have it on I do not see a problem with it. I am not used to things going under the K frame but that is the only reason I was uncomfortable about it. The kit is wroth every penny and I would do it all over again. The numbers that they are advertising are pretty good 460rwhp and 510rwtq but we will see how I do. I dont know what kind of dyno they used and there are many more factors. I am not trying to talk anyone into buying a turbo kit it is up to what the persons interests are, I myself think it is the end of the world, but that is only my opinion. If you have any other questions fire away, I don't get much time to get on here but when I do I will do my best to answer any questions.Okay Ern. I just have a very outspoken manner, and some people don't know how to take it, but I mean well. Thanks for your honesty, and BTW, those advertised numbers are serious!!! Hopefully your car will do well on the dyno too. My guess is that it will. Please keep the info coming whenever you get the chance. ;)

[David Morton]

I like it! :D

Now I'm glad I didn't get that front skid-plate somebody's selling. If I wind-up getting this turbo I'll wanna see what can be done about making one to fit for this application.

Man, this site is great! Thanks Logan!

[martyo]

I know I would like to see more information on this set up. I hope Ernie finds the time to share some of his thoughts/experiences/impressions with us.

Oh, and don't mind Billy. He is really a very good guy and a great friend. Just tough when he cross-examinas! :D

[RoyLPita]

Ernie, please, keep us posted on anything further.

[BillyGman]

Oh, and don't mind Billy. He is really a very good guy and a great friend. Just tough when he cross-examinas! :DGee, U mean I could be getting paid for that?......"I coulda been a contender....I coulda been somebody"....

[Todd]

Wait a minute, let me find a telescope. :baaa: The picture is pretty clear to me...

[Todd]

Well, I guess the person you are looking to talk to would be me. Let me start by saying I do not have much time to come on here so as far as going back and forth in a battle of good, better, best, you will not be getting that from me... I lost about 2 1/2 inches total. I live in Chicago, we are not known for having smooth streets so you are raised to avoid any and everything that might threaten to leave your ride on the back of a hook. If your are interested in crusing in alleys or doing baja with your MM this might not be the kit for you. Myself I treat my car with respect and do everthing possible to avoid hitting cars, getting hit by cars, watching where I park, and a host of other precautions in order to keep it in show room condition. With that being said I think I would try to look where I am driving so I can avoid ANYTHING in the road way. Ok, now that I addressed that issue I will move on to the turbo and supercharger issue. I also own a 04 Cobra, it is a very nice car and very fast. I put big money into this car... Let me tell you if I had to do it again I would take that eaton off and put a turbo on it and run low ten's on pump gas. I am not much for posting my ET's but will consider it do to the speculation. This car untuned will break it off in someones rear without even thinking twice. 9psi is 9psi no matter super or turbo they are very similar in numbers. Everyone take this post in a middle of the road mind set, I do not speculate on things that are not proven I sit back and hold my condisending remarks and wait for numbers or to see what ever it might be with my own two eyes. To take the wind out of ones sails before they are even hoisted shows alot about ones character... Thanks all, we should have a winner here only time will tell.


Ernie,

Keep in mind boost is not boost..... 9psi on the turbo will be much more hp and torque than 9psi on a belt driven supercharger.

Pasasitic drag (which comes from spinning the belt) accounts for around 20% loss from what I hear on a belt driven supercharger whereas the loss on a turbo is somewhere around 2-5%. These numbers are not mine and I have not personally researched them. But the people who state these numbers do have experience so I trust them.

[Todd]

Okay Ern. I just have a very outspoken manner, and some people don't know how to take it, but I mean well. Thanks for your honesty, and BTW, those advertised numbers are serious!!! Hopefully your car will do well on the dyno too. My guess is that it will. Please keep the info coming whenever you get the chance. ;)
The numbers a totally stock Marauder made with only 9psi was 460hp and 520tq.....

You can see the numbers at the end of the video on PTK's website. The advertised numbers from the description on the site was for this kit making 6psi.

[Directedby]

The picture is pretty clear to me...


:bows: :bows: :bows:

[Todd]

I know I would like to see more information on this set up. I hope Ernie finds the time to share some of his thoughts/experiences/impressions with us.

Oh, and don't mind Billy. He is really a very good guy and a great friend. Just tough when he cross-examinas! :D

Marty,

Ernie is a busy guy as I can account for the few times I have talked to him on the phone.

But he knows alot about cars and power adders and I am also waiting to hear more!!!

[maraudernkc]

Todd, you are right about Turbochargers.They are the most effecient, followed by centrifical blowers and than roots style blowers. Those are proven facts.


Ernie,

Keep in mind boost is not boost..... 9psi on the turbo will be much more hp and torque than 9psi on a belt driven supercharger.

Pasasitic drag accounts for around 20% loss from what I hear on a belt driven supercharger whereas the loss on a turbo is somewhere around 2-5%. These numbers are not mine and I have not personally researched them. But the people who state these numbers do have experience so I trust them.

[MikesMerc]

Todd, you are right about Turbochargers.They are the most effecient, followed by centrifical blowers and than roots style blowers. Those are proven facts.

yes, but its more important to understand that Turbos are in a class purely by themselves....heads and shoulders above ANY belt driven compressor. They are indeed the way to go if you can get them packaged right.

Looking forward to more info Ernie :up:

[bigjon]

congrats on the turbo.... can't wait for more info! :cool:

[BillyGman]

Todd, you are right about Turbochargers.They are the most effecient, followed by centrifical blowers and than roots style blowers. Those are proven facts.But I don't think you can beat the roots design for low-end grunt. So it's all about trade-offs. Unless you go Twin-screw supercharger, or Twin Turbo. And Twin Turbo set-ups are really BIG $$$.

[Turbo Ernie]

Ernie,

Keep in mind boost is not boost..... 9psi on the turbo will be much more hp and torque than 9psi on a belt driven supercharger.

Pasasitic drag (which comes from spinning the belt) accounts for around 20% loss from what I hear on a belt driven supercharger whereas the loss on a turbo is somewhere around 2-5%. These numbers are not mine and I have not personally researched them. But the people who state these numbers do have experience so I trust them. You are completely right, but for lack of numbers to back up my post I left the statement in a neutral state.

[TooManyFords]

Dayum...

What a bunch of post whores y'all have become.


Well said! I was waiting for a few more pictures and just got busy but I think it is -way cool- Ernie!

Can't wait to eyeball it in person soon. Will you be around this coming Sunday for the Chicken Run? [btw, where exactly will I be meeting everyone? I know, post in the chicken run thread!!]

Take your time and make us proud!

Cheers!

John

[torinodan]

You know, the exhaust are closer to the k member than I thought. I like it. I figured it would be oval tube and it is. Great idea! Yes, I have a picture of how they are run and there shouldn't be a problem of ground clearence. If you hit something on the down pipe your going to loose something else besides it.

[rocknrod]

I don't know, all I heard was some VERY defensive posts whenever someone isnt using the exact same thing they are. Know what I mean ? (Someone should go back and read their first response to this thread. It wasnt very "Welcome").

Having said that. I can't wait to see ALOT of pictures on this.
Maybe some PART(S) NUMBERS ?
It's always exciting to see and hear about new mods.

Without the ability to "hook up" inherent to this platform I'm doubtfull anyone could get better 1/4 mile numbers than BillyGman anyway, due to his extensive knowledge, work and success on the subject.
But I still think this is Way Cool !:D

[Sully008]

Turbo Ernie,

Congratulations on your setup! Add another power adder to the list for our great cars.

How is the underhood temp after several hard runs, or after sometime in traffic? My XR has a Garrett T3 with a .68 A/R ratio, running 11 psi and after awhile it gets pretty hot under the hood from the turbo/exhaust manifold. I went with the Cosworth hood vents to expel heat from under the hood. I don't think our MMs have that problem, since there's so much more room under there.

Congrats again! :beer:

[metroplex]

turbine superchargers aka turbochargers are most efficient because they do not require engine power to operate.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Sweet Jesus this gets old,

[cyclone03]

Sweet Jesus this gets old,


And thats the name of that tune!
Nice, Dennis.



BTW I went by PTK here in San Antonio and gave your tuning a few props to them.Needless to say they are looking forward to your results with the kit.

With you involved in tuning a turbo Marauder all this BS will be laid to rest!

[Vortex]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Logan]

Are you done pissing everybody off yet Billy? I'm like a friggin broken record with you.

Enjoy your vacation.

[Smokie]

http://www.proturbokits.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=78

Has anyone tried this? Check out the video.Cool, the guy in the last runs states "that was 85 mph" Not too many seconds elapsed after the left turn at the light......very impressive. Sounds scary fast.

[cyclone03]

Cool, the guy in the last runs states "that was 85 mph" Not too many seconds elapsed after the left turn at the light......very impressive. Sounds scary fast.


Ya the guys I talked with at PTK just smile when they talk aboout that car.
That thing makes 9lbs of boost @ 2500rpm!

I talked at length with those guys yesterday about how to move the onset of Max pressure up the RPM some and they said no problem, just change the A/R ratio and the boost will come in a little softer.Or tune it with electronics,the boost controlers can ramp up the boost any way you want,even adjust it for gear selection!Lower pressure in 1st higher in 2nd,full boggy in 3rd!

[David Morton]

This is starting to sound better and better. Looks like the only downside is that darn pipe under the K-member, and it didn't look that bad after I downloaded the picture and blowed it up real good.

Blowed it up real good - sounds like something that "git-er-done" comedian would say. :D

[torinodan]

This is starting to sound better and better. Looks like the only downside is that darn pipe under the K-member, and it didn't look that bad after I downloaded the picture and blowed it up real good.

Blowed it up real good - sounds like something that "git-er-done" comedian would say. :DHere's a pic of the pipe that the PTK guys sent me. I don't think there's a problem with the pipe.

[Bradley G]

Thanks torinodan!, PTK must be weary, adressing this concern, the reply that was sent to me was, "the exhaust is oval shaped under the K member".That was after this reply, Quote "
"Hello Bradley,

The system does come with the complete fuel system and unprogramed chip.

Thanks, Dalton"
Thats great! What about the clearance? Clarence!


Is thier at least 4.5" clearance at the lowest point?
Bradley G
Here's a pic of the pipe that the PTK guys sent me. I don't think there's a problem with the pipe.

[prchrman]

All right! Now we can have turbo/super charger wars...oh no...Logan derailed the action...late again, did not get to read the good stuff :cry: ...willie

[BillyGman]

Here's a pic of the pipe that the PTK guys sent me. I don't think there's a problem with the pipe.Dan, thanks for that pic. Now that we've all seen it, there isn't any need for debate, nor for speculation since everyone can look at it for themselves, and determine if it's something they would want or not.

[David Morton]

All right! Now we can have turbo/super charger wars...oh no...Logan derailed the action...late again, did not get to read the good stuff :cry: ...willieI find that you catch most of it if you check in every hour or so.

If you disagree with my post you're evil and I hate you!

:lol:

[O's Fan Rich]

Can't the pipe be fashioned in a large split oval design that lays across the bottom of the K member? Then taper it into the tube sizes on each end?
It could be reinforced internally with some ribs. Seems to me you could get the same volume that way, while increasing the clearance.
Just thinking... cause I'm liking the whole turbo thing.

[David Morton]

Can't the pipe be fashioned in a large split oval design that lays across the bottom of the K member? Then taper it into the tube sizes on each end?
It could be reinforced internally with some ribs. Seems to me you could get the same volume that way, while increasing the clearance.
Just thinking... cause I'm liking the whole turbo thing.Or mash some 3" pipes to fit and cover the whole thing with a nice skid plate.

One thing just came to mind though. Those pipes are awful close to the rack and I remember the GM J-body had a power steering overheat problem that had a similar close-quarters situation. Fluid wore out real fast and/or the sealing rings in the stub melted or wore out. I'm sure we'll wind up with some heat shielding for the rack, if they didn't already and this photo doesn't show it installed yet.

Yup, I'm liking it too.

[David Morton]

Been two weeks now. Hey! Where're we at Ernie? :whistle:

[BillyGman]

Been two weeks now. Hey! Where're we at Ernie? :whistle:I was wondering about that too. Because when someone on here gets a supercharger kit, or Nitrous oxide injection kit installed on their Marauder, we usually hear from them within a few days as to how fantastic their car moves. However, Ernie hasn't chimed in.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I believe Ernie is taking his time and making sure this is right, and I belive he is upgrading the fuel system, I am sure when its done will hear about it. KBBAP have been on back order now for three months.

[Todd]

What Dennis said is correct.

I have talked to Ernie a number of times throughout his install.

The install went well. He was dealing with tuning and fuel system upgrades last I talked to him.

Last I heard the car was VERY strong at a low boost level. But I will not share his numbers as it is his place to do so.

Needless to say, he is very thorough and is trying to get everything just right before final tuning and track time.

[SergntMac]

I live a few blocks from him, and we talk often, but he doesn say much about this website. Why not give things a rest.