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SergntMac
03-07-2003, 08:59 AM
Interesting way to look at things, innovative. Anyone think this could work on our MMs?

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autow eek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=09433474

LincMercLover
03-07-2003, 09:14 AM
I dunno... Good concept, BUT, you have more drag on the motor just to run the AC compressor. Granted, it MAY work, but at what cost?

Warpath
03-07-2003, 09:23 AM
I remember a while ago hearing about an aftermarket kit that used the a/c coolant in an intercooler. If I remember correctly, it eliminated the a/c in the cabin. I also vaguely remember someone mentioning it was a strip only mod. Maybe the a/c system couldn't keep up under constant use.

I think it the MM a/c could be adapted to do something similar. Basically, you could tap off the existing a/c system and put an evaporator in the engine intake. Put a valve in it to flow coolant to either the cabin a/c or the intake a/c. Hook up the valve to the switch of a switcheable chip. Under normal driving conditions, you could keep the chip switched to "normal" and flow coolant into the cabin. When your in the mood, flip the switch to "fun" and run the a/c coolant into the intake. Somehow you would also have to turn the a/c compressor on which may not be too difficult. So, the long answer to your short question is it may be possible. Blown applications would get the most benefit.

I just bought the a/c eliminator kit for my Cobra. If it gets too hot, I just put the top down and never use a/c anyway. But, your question gets me thinking. Hmmmmm.

tetsu
03-07-2003, 09:24 AM
I assume that the compressor would cut before you made a pull and use
the ALREADY CHILLED glycol to cool the innercooler during your
pull.

Johnny

jefferson-mo
03-07-2003, 09:29 AM
that cold intercooler system is for supercharged engines.......

from what I understand about it is you get a very short cold blast(kinda like NOS) and then the system 'recharges' itself.........so the compressor isn't engaged under WOT

that's my understanding:banana2:

jefferson-mo
03-07-2003, 09:31 AM
guess I shoulda read it first..............:stupid:



:lol:

Warpath
03-07-2003, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by tetsu
I assume that the compressor would cut before you made a pull and use
the ALREADY CHILLED glycol to cool the innercooler during your
pull.

Johnny

I barely know how an a/c system works. So, I don't know whether the compressor needs to be off. What I meant by turning on the compressor is to keep the coolant flowing during use. But, if running WOT, it would be a good idea to cut if off to reduce drag if that's what you meant. And, the coolant would have to be cooled as you said. You'd have to drive a bit before using it. Otherwise, you'd be at redline before the coolant temp dropped.

BigMerc
03-07-2003, 09:52 AM
OK sarge get to it!!! you're the front man on that one, as I always wait for you to do your mods, then do mine per your success.

SergntMac
03-07-2003, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by BigMerc
OK sarge get to it!!! you're the front man on that one, as I always wait for you to do your mods, then do mine per your success.

Naw, no thanks on this one. Still, it appealed to me as novel way to get colder air into the motor.

Diocles
03-07-2003, 10:57 AM
I installed an air to liquid intercooler on a Grand National I had. Basically it ran the intake air through a double radiator system (one to cool the air and another to cool the water). It ran off a small electric water pump that hooked up with an on/off switch. I only ran it while drag racing at other times I'd just dial down the boost and adjust the AFR.

UncleLar
03-07-2003, 06:53 PM
Okay,it works for 45 seconds on the Lightning before recharge is needed,and only works on supercharged or turboed engines. As far as an A/C cutoff switch I believe all Fords/Mercs and most other cars have a wide-open throttle relay to cut the air during full throttle application. Hmm,Mensrea and KB,is it a viable and cost effective add on for an already S/C vehicle?

427435
03-07-2003, 07:48 PM
An air to water intercooler works on a turbo-charged engine (as will an air to air intercooler) as the temperature of the air compressed by the turbo will go well over the temperature of your cooling water, let alone ambient air.

Using the air conditioning system to chill the air is a lot more complicated. One would have to do an energy balance knowing how much hp goes into the compressor and how more hp the engine would gain with the colder air. Just might calculate out---------but there's probably less complicated and less expensive ways to gain a similar amount of hp.

It's something "trick" for the show circuit, however, Or maybe for "Crusing Night".

Warpath
03-10-2003, 09:43 AM
Right now I'm thinking the best solution would be to run an air to water intercooler and have the a/c cool the water. If the water tank were large enough, the a/c wouldn't have to run constantly. Like 427435 (if that is your real name) said, you'd have to run through all the calculations. I don't think its worth it. The money spent trying to get it to work would exceed the money spent on the best intercooler out there. Plus, the results would probably be the same.