problem getting 4.10 installed

[twolow]

So yesterday was the big day.

I took the MM to the local trustworthy shop to have the springs put on, alignment & balance, throw in the intake, and have the 4.10 and shiney hiney put in.

My friend (son of the owner) calls me up and asks how I want the back to look compared to the front springs. I tell him ever so slightly higher, not level but not jacked up either.

He also says his tech was reading the paperwork that came with the 4.10 and said that after much debate they don't think they can do it as they don't have some machiney (he was speaking technical gibberish) to do whatever has to be done with shims and referred me to another shop. He said he could use the shims in it now (3.55) but without whatever he needs he won't know if its gonna fit perfect. This sound like his tech just not wanting to do it? I trust my friend but he isn't a grease monkey so I'm sure he's just going on what the tech said.

I got Lidio's tuner in yesterday evening and was looking forward to setting it to 4.10 but I guess I'll be using the 3.55 setting for a while longer :(

Lowered, tuned, and JLT intake will be enough to tide me over till I get the gear in I guess.

[Jolly Roger]

What springs are you using to lower it?:coolman:
Eibachs, cut factory o.e.m.s?

[Bradley G]

Probably better they don't mess with something they are not comfortable with.

I read great things, from members that use Team Ford.
Is that anywhere close to to you?
Maybe a local member will chime in with some info.
Bradley G

So yesterday was the big day.

I took the MM to the local trustworthy shop to have the springs put on, alignment & balance, throw in the intake, and have the 4.10 and shiney hiney put in.

My friend (son of the owner) calls me up and asks how I want the back to look compared to the front springs. I tell him ever so slightly higher, not level but not jacked up either.

He also says his tech was reading the paperwork that came with the 4.10 and said that after much debate they don't think they can do it as they don't have some machiney (he was speaking technical gibberish) to do whatever has to be done with shims and referred me to another shop. He said he could use the shims in it now (3.55) but without whatever he needs he won't know if its gonna fit perfect. This sound like his tech just not wanting to do it? I trust my friend but he isn't a grease monkey so I'm sure he's just going on what the tech said.

I got Lidio's tuner in yesterday evening and was looking forward to setting it to 4.10 but I guess I'll be using the 3.55 setting for a while longer :(

Lowered, tuned, and JLT intake will be enough to tide me over till I get the gear in I guess.

[oldekid]

I too was turned down by a shop because they didn't have the right tools. It is important. You don't want them to just eyeball these things. There is a tool, and I can't remember what it's called, but from what I understand, it's expensive and necessary to do it right. I"m sure someone on here knows what it's called. I would consider it an act of honesty if they actually turned you away and referred you to another shop.

Look for a shop that does Mustang performance mods. You can check with your local Mustang clubs, they all know where to go too. That's what I did, and they knew about the high friction lube, and even knew about my air suspension turn-of switch.

[Smokie]

In younger days I use to swap out gears, don't know what special tool is needed other than calipers to measure backlash and blue ink to check the pattern of engagement between ring and pinion gear.

Do yourself a favor contact TAF and let him hook you up with a Team Ford in Marietta, Ga. install. You can't go wrong, good price, no guesswork involved.:D

[Wires]

It would be a h- of a drive, but I know first-hand that Team Ford in May-Retta would do a great job. Scott installed mine, and I'm very happy with it.

You'd think that after living in Warner Robins for several years I'd know someone to recomend, but back then I always owned POS cars and I could never afford to get any work done on them anyway.

As someone else said, there's gotta be somewhere where all the Mustang guys go to get their gears installed.

Check with Reaves Auto, they would either be able to do it themselves, or they'd know.

[Mike Poore]

... after much debate they don't think they can do it as they don't have some machiney .

It's the same when the hospital tells you they're not sure they want to do your heart transplant, since it's gonna be their first try ...count your blessings.

Do it right, do it once.

Thank those guys for telling you the truth. ;)

How do you like the looks of the Shiney Hiney? Cool, huh? :sunshine:

[oldekid]

In younger days I use to swap out gears, don't know what special tool is needed other than calipers to measure backlash and blue ink to check the pattern of engagement between ring and pinion gear.

Do yourself a favor contact TAF and let him hook you up with a Team Ford in Marietta, Ga. install. You can't go wrong, good price, no guesswork involved.:DSmokie,
I called the shop that did my gear change. The tool is a Pinion Depth Gauge. It is a Ford tool and costs the shop about $1,000. Maybe it's not totally necessary, but this shop seems to think so. They said they only know of one other shop around this area that also uses this tool. They do 3 to 4 gear changes a week, and seem to be on top of things.

[FordNut]

So yesterday was the big day.

I took the MM to the local trustworthy shop to have the springs put on, alignment & balance, throw in the intake, and have the 4.10 and shiney hiney put in.

My friend (son of the owner) calls me up and asks how I want the back to look compared to the front springs. I tell him ever so slightly higher, not level but not jacked up either.

He also says his tech was reading the paperwork that came with the 4.10 and said that after much debate they don't think they can do it as they don't have some machiney (he was speaking technical gibberish) to do whatever has to be done with shims and referred me to another shop. He said he could use the shims in it now (3.55) but without whatever he needs he won't know if its gonna fit perfect. This sound like his tech just not wanting to do it? I trust my friend but he isn't a grease monkey so I'm sure he's just going on what the tech said.

I got Lidio's tuner in yesterday evening and was looking forward to setting it to 4.10 but I guess I'll be using the 3.55 setting for a while longer :(

Lowered, tuned, and JLT intake will be enough to tide me over till I get the gear in I guess.
It's only about an hour and a half to two hours to drive to Team Ford in Marietta. If you call and setup an appointment with Scott Levine, he can possibly work you in to do the gear change on a Saturday when we are having the Marauder Breakfast at Cracker Barrel. We'll shuttle you back & forth from the shop to breakfast and prolly some of us will toss you the keys to some highly modified Marauders to test drive. Next scheduled breakfast is July 16th.

The drive is worth it, there are some MM owners that come from Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Maryland, and Carolina to have work done by the guys there.

[twolow]

The springs are Eibach to who asked.

There is a shop called Mustang Central near here that does custom stuff so I may call them. ATL is a long ways to go when I'm covering up the fact that I even am getting the 4.10! The other half thinks I'm just getting some brakes and rotors ;) Hard to come up with a reason I'm driving up to ATL for brakes!

I like the shop and after some thought your right that he was cool with being up front with me. I'd hate to have the thing lock up on me.

Wires, the shop he recommended was indeed Reeves on Green Street. I think I will call Mustang Central and Reeves today and compare quotes.

And yes, the shiney hiney is cool looking :)

[Smokie]

It's only about an hour and a half to two hours to drive to Team Ford in Marietta. If you call and setup an appointment with Scott Levine, he can possibly work you in to do the gear change on a Saturday when we are having the Marauder Breakfast at Cracker Barrel. We'll shuttle you back & forth from the shop to breakfast and prolly some of us will toss you the keys to some highly modified Marauders to test drive. Next scheduled breakfast is July 16th.

The drive is worth it, there are some MM owners that come from Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Maryland, and Carolina to have work done by the guys there.
Twolow, the above offer is as good as gold, it gets no better. I live in central Florida and I drive there to hang out with the guys & gals and have work done on my car. You can't go wrong.:D

[FordNut]

The springs are Eibach to who asked.

There is a shop called Mustang Central near here that does custom stuff so I may call them. ATL is a long ways to go when I'm covering up the fact that I even am getting the 4.10! The other half thinks I'm just getting some brakes and rotors ;) Hard to come up with a reason I'm driving up to ATL for brakes!

I like the shop and after some thought your right that he was cool with being up front with me. I'd hate to have the thing lock up on me.

Wires, the shop he recommended was indeed Reeves on Green Street. I think I will call Mustang Central and Reeves today and compare quotes.

And yes, the shiney hiney is cool looking :)
What better cover-up than breakfast with the Marauder Buddys. My wife calls us a clan.

[twolow]

Reeves here wants $390. He says he does it all day, even mentioned he had a dyno if I wanted a run.

Mustang Central said they no longer take anything other than Mustangs.

Anyone have a ballpark figure on what Team Ford Marietta charges? I would love to wait at Dave & Busters for them to finish :)

[Wires]

See PM.

If you are willing to make the drive, I'd go with Team Ford, but I know Reeves auto does good work. (or at least they once did - I have no recent experience with them.)

[BillyGman]

I like the shop and after some thought your right that he was cool with being up front with me. I'd hate to have the thing lock up on me.

:)Well, I guess that's one way you can look at it, but the fact that the garage in question doesn't even know how to do ring & pinion gear changes (and they obviously don't) isn't all that impressive, and I for one wouldn't take my car to a place like that ever again for performance oriented work. Gear changes aren't black magic. I did two of them successfully on my Marauder. The first was for the 4.10's which I did at my brother's house, and the second was for the 4.56's at a friend's house. There is a fancy tool that Ford makes for the job that is rather expensive, but for Ford racing gears going in a Ford 8.8" rear (like our cars have) that tool isn't needed to do the job right.

All that's needed in the way of tools are a ratchet & socket set, dial type inch/LBS torque wrench, a 3 or 4 foot plumbing pipe for leverage (that is if an impact gun isn't available), a depth gauge micrometer (a normal every day machinist tool that can be had for $100), and the WHITE marking compound to check the gear mesh pattern, and a dial indicator w/a magnet base set-up for checking the backlash (an inexpensive E-bay item). These are common machinist's tools, and aren't all that expensive. Anyway, I'd go somewhere else for my Hi-perf work in the future if I were you. I agree that Team Ford sounds like a great place, and that you should write or call "TAF" on that.;)

[FordNut]

Reeves here wants $390. He says he does it all day, even mentioned he had a dyno if I wanted a run.

Mustang Central said they no longer take anything other than Mustangs.

Anyone have a ballpark figure on what Team Ford Marietta charges? I would love to wait at Dave & Busters for them to finish :)
email sent. Call Scott for pricing. He'll also check the axles while they're out to see if it needs the axle TSB repair performed.