Interest in PHP Cold Air Kit

[Dennis Reinhart]

Paul, quit making the PHP cold air kit for the Marauder, I bought every kit he had, and I have sold every one, I like this kit I like the looks of it and the power gains I got from it, now there are several other kits available, I have not tried them, because as I said I like to looks and fit of Paul's, you the members can look at these kits if you so desire, I am not here to start a cold air kit war, and if it starts to turn into one I will just let this go and delete the post. Now if there are enough interest in this PHP kit I will buy these in bulk this is very hard to do for a small business, but I will do this for the club if there is enough to justify this type of investment, here is a picture of it and I will post the dyno links before and after, this kit just like the other two can be used with the Trilogy SC as well.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/ohphpcoldair.JPG

I used my N/A Marauder, and I did a base run of 249.4 RWHP and 261.3 RWT

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/paulsairkitbaserun.jpg

Next I installed Pauls kit. I made no timing or AF Corrections, with the install of the kit the car gained 6.8 RWHP and 8.5 RWT Now look at the AF Below.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/paulsairkit.jpg

What happened is with Pauls kit the AF went richer by about 8% this is caused by a slight change in the air meter transfer function, this is no big deal so I leaned the car out by 8% added NO timing and the car gained, 12.3 RWHP and 15.7 RWT

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/paulsairkitwithafcorection.jpg

So the kit does work and make a good power,

[Slowpoke]

a few of us have installed this airbox and i cannot recall anything other than excellent results and everyone i know that has installed this product has been thrilled with it.

I highly recommend this product.

Kudos for Dennis for picking up the ball on this.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Here are some better pictures of the PHP kit. This stainless steel cover with some metal Polish really looks sharp of course its been a day or two since I last did mine.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/PHPCAK1.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/PHPCAK2.jpg


Here is the JLT kit

http://images7.fotki.com/v135/photos/4/41821/142907/marauderRAI-vi.jpg

And here is the K&N

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/reviews/data/2/1136DSC01555.JPG

[Smokie]

I bought my PHP air box directly from Dennis, installed at his shop and documented with before and after dyno runs. Peak results are modest, results under the curve are huge, specially torque. I highly recommended.Dyno_Results (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49 75)

[Joe Walsh]

Dennis, I posted a "WANTED" ad in the classifieds for a PHP kit, but received no responses....I am DEFINITELY interested in a PHP kit!!! :up:

[Slowpoke]

i went a step further and had the airbox laser engraved with the godshead logo.

[Petrograde]

I have this kit,.. I love it! :up:

[Mike M]

Will it work with the ProCharger?

[rayjay]

I totally agree, very well made and was the only choice when I purchased mine.

[BUCKWHEAT]

Ditto on Tom's comment. I have one but I have no idea what the K&N air filter part number is. Anyone know????



I have this kit,.. I love it! :up:

[MENINBLK]

Ditto on Tom's comment. I have one but I have no idea what the K&N air filter part number is. Anyone know????

K&N AirCharger ( Part # 63-1111)

K&N DryCharger (Air FIlter Wrap)

RF-1041D(X) X = Color...

K = BLACK
L = BLUE
R = RED
Y = YELLOW

So RF-104DK = BLACK DRYCHARGER

[snowbird]

Will it work with the ProCharger?It won't. I had to take it off.

[snowbird]

Dennis, I posted a "WANTED" ad in the classifieds for a PHP kit, but received no responses....I am DEFINITELY interested in a PHP kit!!! :up:I put mine on sale in the classified a week ago but somebody is interested. If he change is mind, i'll PM you.

[Skiordie53]

do you need computer tuning after installing it, or will ti work fine without tuning on a stock 04

[Dennis Reinhart]

Any time you change the induction system on most cars there is a chance of changing the Mas air flow transfer function, in the PHP case it can make the car rich but not by much, about 8% this can easily be fixed if this is the case. No matter who's CAK you use there can be these issues

I like the PHP kit what I may try to do is make a complete kit from Throttle body to the PHP CAK, again this is a substantial investment, and its going to be dependent on demand, what you have to understand is to buy any thing at a reasonable price means you have to buy in quantify, so I can make a reasonable profit, without having to have a very high price on this product, so again I am looking at starting this but its going to depend on the interest here.

[Skiordie53]

so the php cold air kit is not the complete kit from the throttle body to the box? what kind of tune would help to correct with this.

[Dennis Reinhart]

as shown in the pictures in conects to the oem intake tube perfectly I just want some thing better

[Skiordie53]

do you know the advantages of the different intake tubing that comes with the K+N or JLT systems?

[MN6]

Dennis, Count me in

[Smokie]

The difference between the OEM intake tube and JLT and K&N are more of a cosmetic and sound difference, not a performance or H.P difference.

The OEM intake tube is not restrictive, however it does have a silencer so that you don't hear the rush of air under hard acceleration, many folks enjoy that sound because it is associated with more power, I don't believe that the sound means more power, just more sound.

[rayjay]

do you need computer tuning after installing it, or will ti work fine without tuning on a stock 04
In my experience you don't need to, however, as Dennis has said there is further power to be gained with tuning after adding the PHP airbox. I gained 24 peak HP and 38 peak #s of torque with a tune. In the mid range I was up 30 and 50 respectively. I also have the PHP intake spacer and a JLT tube, not sure exactly which part added how much HP/TQ, but I believe that the PHP airbox was the main contributor. Dennis, I'd like to see your edition of the MAF to TB tube. Make it reasonably priced and it will sell.:D

[txmarauder]

Dennis, I have been researching to engineer my own cai and found the perfect part that i need to make the kit look stock and function better and that part is the aluminum intake tube you have on your s/c kit that connects to the t/b. Can you sell me one of those powder coated and how much. I think if you use that tube in your quest to build a complete kit from the air box to the t/b and maybe do diiferent colors as a option to the gray powder coat i think you will sell those kits pretty easy since they will appear stock and most people like a stock look. But can you still sell me or let me know where you get your intake tube from. Thanks.

Greg

[Slowpoke]

In my experience you don't need to, however, as Dennis has said there is further power to be gained with tuning after adding the PHP airbox. I gained 24 peak HP and 38 peak #s of torque with a tune. In the mid range I was up 30 and 50 respectively. I also have the PHP intake spacer and a JLT tube, not sure exactly which part added how much HP/TQ, but I believe that the PHP airbox was the main contributor. Dennis, I'd like to see your edition of the MAF to TB tube. Make it reasonably priced and it will sell.:D


Well, you may not NEED a tune after the install, but you wont realize the full benefit without one and of course, your mileage will suck until you get it tuned for the intake. This knowledge was gained by experience with this exact situation.

[Skiordie53]

Can i use a tune like one of Dennis's or Lidio's or do i need a custom tune.

[STLR FN]

Yes you can use Lidio's or Dennis' tune but the best way is a custom tune as it will be tuned for your car's characteristics as every car is not the same.
Can i use a tune like one of Dennis's or Lidio's or do i need a custom tune.

[Paul T. Casey]

I'm leaning toward one, and the spacer. Prior to this thread, my only concern was wet weather driving. After seeing the photos, and a chat with DR, my fears have been allayed.

[Smokie]

I'm leaning toward one, and the spacer. Prior to this thread, my only concern was wet weather driving. After seeing the photos, and a chat with DR, my fears have been allayed.Paul you know me, I don't sell stuff. If you were to go with an airbox, there is nothing being sold that protects the filter from water better the PHP box....like you said look at the pictures. I also keep the Outerwear Sock on at all times...except for maybe the track...:D

[Skiordie53]

does anyone know any good custom tuners in the new york area, if i am better with a custom tune.

[jawz101]

Count me in on kit and spacers. If you are ordering both I'd like to see what the cost would be.

[MM03MOK]

Dennis: any update on the kit? TNX

[Dennis Reinhart]

Here is the Deal, Pauls will make these for me if I buy ten at a time so I guess lets see if we can see how many members would like this kit, I wanted to make a complete kit including the pipe to the TB but this will push the price probably close to the 350.00 range so fo now the price on the PHP will be around 240.00

[SergntMac]

Here is the Deal, Pauls will make these for me if I buy ten at a time so I guess lets see if we can see how many members would like this kit, I wanted to make a complete kit including the pipe to the TB but this will push the price probably close to the 350.00 range so fo now the price on the PHP will be around 240.00 Having tested your pipe, IMHO, there is only one way to build this kit. That may be a bit more expensive, but customers will have to decide to do it cheap, or, do it right.

[rayjay]

Any pics of the tube? I think DR will find a market just for the tube.

[texascorvette]

The program you put on the XCal2 you sent me made a ton of difference in the low end performance of my '04. If you say it takes $350 to do it right on a stock MM, I believe you. Do you need the money in advance?



QUOTE=Dennis Reinhart]Here is the Deal, Pauls will make these for me if I buy ten at a time so I guess lets see if we can see how many members would like this kit, I wanted to make a complete kit including the pipe to the TB but this will push the price probably close to the 350.00 range so fo now the price on the PHP will be around 240.00[/QUOTE]

[SergntMac]

Any pics of the tube? I think DR will find a market just for the tube. No problem...This is my setup, and I have ceramic coated (aka "Jet Coated") the pipes for heat control. But, remember that asking for this option will make the kit more expensive, and Dennis hasn't agreed to offer this yet.

I'm being hopeful here, because this pipe works, and it fits under the hood without liner damage. BTW, that second smaller pipe with the slight bend can rotate for proper fit.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7120&cat=500&page=1

[rayjay]

No problem...This is my setup, and I have ceramic coated (aka "Jet Coated") the pipes for heat control. But, remember that asking for this option will make the kit more expensive, and Dennis hasn't agreed to offer this yet.

I'm being hopeful here, because this pipe works, and it fits under the hood without liner damage. BTW, that second smaller pipe with the slight bend can rotate for proper fit.


Nice, the added size up towards the TB should hold more air for when the joy pedal calls for it. JetHot is the only way to go, they are the best.

[gonzo50]

I wanted to make a complete kit including the pipe to the TB but this will push the price probably close to the 350.00 range so for now the price on the PHP will be around 240.00


Having tested your pipe, IMHO, there is only one way to build this kit. That may be a bit more expensive, but customers will have to decide to do it cheap, or, do it right.
I already have the PHP airbox and definitely would buy the pipe to the TB, I agree with Mac on doing it right. :2thumbs:

[Joe Walsh]

I will buy a PHP cold air box if they start to make them again.

P.S. As long as I can hook up my Carbon Fiber Intake tube to the PHP kit.
(which I am almost certain that you can, as 'klmore' accomplshed it.)

[1stMerc]

Dennis, would have loved to get in on this. Just purchased a K&N CAI early this morning off the internet. Is there any tweaking one can do with your tuner program and the extreme tune software to compensate for the rich condition or does one have to go to a dyno shop.

[jawz101]

No problem...This is my setup, and I have ceramic coated (aka "Jet Coated") the pipes for heat control. But, remember that asking for this option will make the kit more expensive, and Dennis hasn't agreed to offer this yet.

I'm being hopeful here, because this pipe works, and it fits under the hood without liner damage. BTW, that second smaller pipe with the slight bend can rotate for proper fit.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7120&cat=500&page=1
Sgt- Who manuf. the tube in the pictures? Was that part of the $350 package that DR mentioned?
Personally I am for keeping it at $240 if there are no performance gains

[Blackened300a]

I have the PHP Airbox installed and It really makes all the difference with the Tune. I ordered the Xcal and Told Dennis my Mods, He made a tune based on his experience to what the car would be like without having put it on the dyno.

[SergntMac]

I will buy a PHP cold air box if they start to make them again, as long as I can hook up my Carbon Fiber Intake tube to the PHP kit.
(which I am almost certain that you can, as 'klmore' accomplshed it.)Yes. If you own a Metco bellows, the PHP kit will fit with some minor tweaking to fitment. BTW, is the Metco still available?

Sgt- Who manuf. the tube in the pictures? Was that part of the $350 package that DR mentioned? Personally I am for keeping it at $240 if there are no performance gains
The bellows you see in my pic is custom built by Reinhart for use in his Vortech supercharger kit. It is not (at this time) included in the kit Dennis is contemplating for 350. that I am aware of. However, it out performed the JLT and Metco bellows I tested on my MM, and I am keeping it over the Kenny Brown CF edition that came with my MM.

It's my suggestion to Dennis, that he include his bellows in his kit for maximum performance, but Dennis hasn't made a decision yet. BTW, the bling is looking good too, eh?

Remember that Dennis hasn't agreed to offer this yet, he's looking at owner interest and investment numbers hoping to make his kit affordable. As of yesterday morning, availability and final cost for a complete setup hasn't been determined yet. If you want this, give Dennis a call at 904.276.5003?

I agree that we should not pay for mods that do not produce performance gains, but some of us seem to do that anyway. This is not the case here, you will enjoy gains at a reasonable and modest investment.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Metco is sending me there tube they have there on display, the do not have any others I will fit this to the PHP kit I have on my car, and take pictures of it, I have to at least get 10 people interested in just the PHP kit take in to consideration the cost of the Metco tube alone is 240.00, so again this may not be for every one the PHP kit will sell for about 250.00, again I will sell these at a reasonable rate IF there is enough interest.

[texascorvette]

I don't mind being embarrassed by asking dumb questions. What all do we need to order to make the conversion? After making the conversion, can you email me the updated tune for the XCal2 so it will run right? Can a mechanically challenged old man make install all that stuff? Thanks.
Metco is sending me there tube they have there on display, the do not have any others I will fit this to the PHP kit I have on my car, and take pictures of it, I have to at least get 10 people interested in just the PHP kit take in to consideration the cost of the Metco tube alone is 240.00, so again this may not be for every one the PHP kit will sell for about 250.00, again I will sell these at a reasonable rate IF there is enough interest.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I don't mind being embarrassed by asking dumb questions. What all do we need to order to make the conversion? After making the conversion, can you email me the updated tune for the XCal2 so it will run right? Can a mechanically challenged old man make install all that stuff? Thanks.
There are no dumb questions yes I can send a corected file file for this, Metco is sending me there Tube today I will mount that on my car and take pictures of it.
Then will see how many members want this and will move forward.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well the Metco tube came today so we installed it on the car, you tell me what you think and if this looks good I will crunch the numbers and put this package to together.




http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcophp.jpg
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcoblue.jpg
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcophp2.jpg
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcored.jpg

[03marauder]

Looks really good. Would I be able to get just the tube, to attach to the PHP airbox that I already have?

[Dennis Reinhart]

Looks really good. Would I be able to get just the tube, to attach to the PHP airbox that I already have?
Yes but there has to be a minimum order placed I will offer this as a complete kit and you will have the option of buying it seperate as well

[SergntMac]

Very nice, Dennis! Bravo!

This will fit the Trilogy cars too.

SlowPoke, your's is waiting here for you, when can you drive down?

[gonzo50]

No problem...This is my setup, and I have ceramic coated (aka "Jet Coated") the pipes for heat control. But, remember that asking for this option will make the kit more expensive, and Dennis hasn't agreed to offer this yet.

I'm being hopeful here, because this Pipe works, and it fits under the hood without liner damage. BTW, that second smaller pipe with the slight bend can rotate for proper fit.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7120&cat=500&page=1
I was hoping that the pipe available would be like the same exact pipe SergntMac has that Dennis sent him. :confused: Check out the photo in the URL above.


Well the Metco tube came today so we installed it on the car, you tell me what you think and if this looks good I will crunch the numbers and put this package to together.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcophp.jpg
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcoblue.jpg
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcophp2.jpg
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcored.jpg
I like the looks of the Metco CF pipe but I would prefer the same Pipe you sent SergntMac, :cry: If that Pipe that goes to the intercooler would work with this PHP air kit than I'll buy one. :2thumbs: Thanks

[jawz101]

I prefer the looks of the metal tube... it looks like it's part of the car, but both look good.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I was hoping that the pipe available would be like the same exact pipe SergntMac has that Dennis sent him. :confused: Check out the photo in the URL above.


I like the looks of the Metco CF pipe but I would prefer the same Pipe you sent SergntMac, :cry: If that Pipe that goes to the intercooler would work with this PHP air kit than I'll buy one. :2thumbs: Thanks
Well that pipe will not reach the air box http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/FINAL1.JPG

I could have a extension made but again this would not be cheap either, the pipe has to be cut and rotated 180 degrees then Helli arched since its aluminum, then sent to a powder coater, so Gonzo this is a good idea as well I guess it depends on the members but if you want one of these I will make it for you give me a call.

[txmarauder]

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/FINAL1.JPG

That is the pipe i have asked Dennis to sell me a # of times in this thread with no reply.:(

[Dennis Reinhart]

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/FINAL1.JPG

That is the pipe i have asked Dennis to sell me a # of times in this thread with no reply.:(
Normally I do not sell seperate parts for my SC kit, for obvious reasons, but you have a Trilogy kit. I will make one of these if you like, and as far as selling this with the PHP kit if that is what you want I can make it happen. Just give me a call.

[texascorvette]

I like the graphite fiber high tech look. How much $ are we talking about?
Well the Metco tube came today so we installed it on the car, you tell me what you think and if this looks good I will crunch the numbers and put this package to together.




http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcophp.jpg
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcoblue.jpg
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcophp2.jpg
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/523/medium/metcored.jpg

[gonzo50]

Well that pipe will not reach the air box, I could have a extension made but again this would not be cheap either, the pipe has to be cut and rotated 180 degrees then Helli arched since its aluminum, then sent to a powder coater, so Gonzo this is a good idea as well I guess it depends on the members but if you want one of these I will make it for you give me a call.I'll give you a call Monday for sure, does the pipe have the vent hole for the crank case ? Thanks.

[Dennis Reinhart]

OK here is the update I ordered 10 PHP CAK today along with 10 Metco tubes we are looking at about 3/4 weeks before they are shipped I also have ordered several alluminum tubes to make one is for Gonzo.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I like the graphite fiber high tech look. How much $ are we talking about?
Here is a update I have five Metco tubes here in stock, and they are working on ten PHP kits I will get the status on these tomorrow

[gonzo50]

OK here is the update I ordered 10 PHP CAK today along with 10 Metco tubes we are looking at about 3/4 weeks before they are shipped I also have ordered several alluminum tubes to make, one is for Gonzo.
How are the aluminum tubes coming along ? Waiting patiently. :rolleyes:

[JRed04]

Dennis, I read a post somewhere on the site where someone stated that their car needed to have some minor adjustments to the A/F after installation of this kit. I was just wondering how common this is and if you could provide this through the mail? Waiting patiently for my kit. Thanks :rasta:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Dennis, I read a post somewhere on the site where someone stated that their car needed to have some minor adjustments to the A/F after installation of this kit. I was just wondering how common this is and if you could provide this through the mail? Waiting patiently for my kit. Thanks :rasta:

The PHP kits will be here next week and yes they can richen the AF a bit but it is a easy corection

[Dennis Reinhart]

The PHP kits will be here next week and yes they can richen the AF a bit but it is a easy corection
THE PHP KITS ARE HERE:banana: :banana:


Give Deb a call

[Hack Goby]

THE PHP KITS ARE HERE:banana: :banana:


Give Deb a call
Got mine. :banana:

[gonzo50]

OK here is the update I ordered 10 PHP CAK today along with 10 Metco tubes we are looking at about 3/4 weeks before they are shipped I also have ordered several alluminum tubes to make, one is for Gonzo.


How are the aluminum tubes coming along ? Waiting patiently. :rolleyes:
Dennis, what is the projected time frame for the aluminum tubes to be available, any word yet ? :dunno:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Your pipe is done we are waiting on the adapter, should be here by Monday

[gonzo50]

Your pipe is done we are waiting on the adapter, should be here by Monday
Thank you so much Dennis, can't wait to get it installed. :bows:

[Svashtar]

Guys, just got the PHP box and Metco tube from Dennis a few weeks ago, and got them installed today. The PHP kit uses the same S&B filter as found on the JLT kit, and is an excellent fit to the car. I had to undo a wiring harness underneath the tray to make some room, but it worked out fine.

I probably could have saved $240 by just using the stock bellows, but the Metco tube adds some nice bling and matches the DG motorsports radiator cover. What the hell, you only live once, and the carbon fiber probably makes the car go faster. :D

Only a couple of issues, one being that there were no stove bolts in the PHP kit to attach the MAF to the tray, so I had to put the old kit back on and shoot over to the store to get some. Unless I missed them somehow. For about $245 that should be included.

Second was that the Metco tube was obviously designed to fit on the stock air box, which must be a bit longer than the PHP assembly. (Or conversely, the PHP box will fit fine with the OEM bellows on the TB.) I didn't measure, but that makes sense. It's just with both units combined that there's an issue.

There is a rubber bell that fits on the end of the Metco CF tube, and then fits on the MAF with a hose clamp. The instructions say to push the rubber bell onto the Metco tube as hard as you can. But if you do that the MAF will be a full 1" at least away from the PHP housing. So you have to slide it down further off the tube, and then pull it back off the MAF on the other end, so you end up with a very loose tenous fit between the CF bellows and the rubber bell. It is onto the tube barely 1/2", which is not very secure and I'm sure gives some blowby.

This would not be an issue with the OEM air box I'm sure. It's just this combo that I saw on this thread from Dennis that I wanted. I'm going to call Metco tomorrow and see if they can somehow get me a modified rubber bell that is about 1.5" longer on the tube end, and that should solve the problem.

If it doesn't, then I'll have to consider sending the Metco tube back to Dennis, and just putting the OEM bellows back on the car (after deleting the silencer), as the PHP box will work fine with that.

YMMV, just wanted to give you my feedback in case anyone else is considering doing this combination.

Thanks,

Norm

[Dennis Reinhart]

The PHP will work with stock bellows as well as the Metco tube, we have done this several times I have the setup on my car, and we just finished a a PHP and Metco with a nitrous, kit so I will help any I cam the alluminum tube that we normally use that several of you have asked, we did make the issue is we needed a flexable section at the end of the tube to conect it to the maff, just have that made is min order of 100 about 11.00 a piece so we are trying to have a short section of Mandrill tubing made to replace this.

[Svashtar]

The PHP will work with stock bellows as well as the Metco tube, we have done this several times I have the setup on my car, and we just finished a a PHP and Metco with a nitrous, kit so I will help any I cam the alluminum tube that we normally use that several of you have asked, we did make the issue is we needed a flexable section at the end of the tube to conect it to the maff, just have that made is min order of 100 about 11.00 a piece so we are trying to have a short section of Mandrill tubing made to replace this.
Thanks Dennis. I called Metco and they said the rubber bell is a production piece and they can't change the length and I am on my own. The bell barely makes contact with the tube, so I don't feel good about it. I'll give you a call. I just need another 1.25" or so on the length of the bell connector.

Thanks,

Norm

[Dennis Reinhart]

What ever it takes Norm just give me a call

[SergntMac]

Guys, just got the PHP box and Metco tube from Dennis a few weeks ago, and got them installed today...YMMV, just wanted to give you my feedback in case anyone else is considering doing this combination. Norm, can you post any pics of your install? I did some field testing for DR by installing this combination on another member's MM, and I had no fitment problems. I'd like to see how your setup is fitting together. If you don't want to post them here, send them to me at SergntMac@aol.com Thanks in advance.

[Svashtar]

Sorry for the delay Mac. I have been busier than hell and haven't even got back to this thread. I spoke to Dennis and he is sending me some kind of a band to wrap around the fat end of the rubber bell to tighten things up. He is also checking into another longer rubber connecting piece for me.

FYI, there is a Metco tube for sale on the Classifieds by 03silverstreak that is all original (dang! could have saved fifty bucks! :D ), and it has a hose clamp on _both_ sides of the rubber bell, the front and the firewall side. 03 says that it came exactly that way, while mine came with just one clamp.

But Metco says now (I guess they changed the install?) that the firewall side of the rubber bell should only be a very strong friction fit, and to lube it up with soap and push it on as far as you can. I can vouch that if you do that, it locks up tighter than hell, and there is no air getting thru there, but it also means that there is too much space between the tube and the MAF if you haven't attached it yet, or too much space between the MAF and the PHP box if you have clamped it to the MAF.

They say that if you use a hose clamp on the narrow end of the Metco tube you can crack it. As it was I was paranoid about tightening it at the TB, and it is probably a bit too loose there.

In any case, I have it working but it's not what it should be, and Dennis is being a big help. Metco says it was designed to work with the OEM box and can't help me, and as far as they are concerned what I am doing is an unauthorized invalid setup. (OK, I guess, but it looks damned good though!)

I'll try to post a pic to this thread this weekend, and then drop you an email to let you know it's here in case you miss it.

Your input would be welcome.

Thanks,

Norm

[Dennis Reinhart]

Sorry for the delay Mac. I have been busier than hell and haven't even got back to this thread. I spoke to Dennis and he is sending me some kind of a band to wrap around the fat end of the rubber bell to tighten things up. He is also checking into another longer rubber connecting piece for me.

FYI, there is a Metco tube for sale on the Classifieds by 03silverstreak that is all original (dang! could have saved fifty bucks! :D ), and it has a hose clamp on _both_ sides of the rubber bell, the front and the firewall side. 03 says that it came exactly that way, while mine came with just one clamp.




But Metco says now (I guess they changed the install?) that the firewall side of the rubber bell should only be a very strong friction fit, and to lube it up with soap and push it on as far as you can. I can vouch that if you do that, it locks up tighter than hell, and there is no air getting thru there, but it also means that there is too much space between the tube and the MAF if you haven't attached it yet, or too much space between the MAF and the PHP box if you have clamped it to the MAF.

They say that if you use a hose clamp on the narrow end of the Metco tube you can crack it. As it was I was paranoid about tightening it at the TB, and it is probably a bit too loose there.

In any case, I have it working but it's not what it should be, and Dennis is being a big help. Metco says it was designed to work with the OEM box and can't help me, and as far as they are concerned what I am doing is an unauthorized invalid setup. (OK, I guess, but it looks damned good though!)

I'll try to post a pic to this thread this weekend, and then drop you an email to let you know it's here in case you miss it.

Your input would be welcome.

What ever the out come I will help with this
Thanks,

Norm

I nor any onther Metco dealer call sell there products for any thing less that what they set as the retail price, if you do Metco will pull your accout, yes its a good deal when you se this but we as there dealears can not post those prices, and low prices like this hurt the dealers

[Svashtar]

I nor any onther Metco dealer call sell there products for any thing less that what they set as the retail price, if you do Metco will pull your accout, yes its a good deal when you se this but we as there dealears can not post those prices, and low prices like this hurt the dealers No, of course I know that Dennis. This is an individual selling his one used Metco tube for a good price on the Classified forum right here on MM.Net. This is about the only place where anyone would be interested in it. Naturally he's going to give a price break on it. I wouldn't consider that heavy competition to any sponsors who are selling the same products.

I've gladly spent a few grand with you, and wasn't complaining about your price or spending extra $. Just a comment on the new price vs. the used one for sale on the classifieds.

Thanks,

Norm

[Svashtar]

Hey Mac! It took me a week but here are the pics of the metco with the rubber bell in the standard position pushed up onto the tube. You can see that this leaves a gap before it can be hooked up to the MAF.

Conversely, if I put the bell onto the MAF and the tube correctly, it doesn't reach the PHP airbox. I set it up this way to show you the pic. I inlcuded the MAF hose clamp in the second pic to show you where the bell should be going to if it were long enough.

If I put the bell onto the MAF correctly, _then_ it barely hangs onto the tube for the last 3/8" or so.

So what I have done is to pull the bell off the tube just enough to get it onto the MAF partway. I hold it onto the MAF with the clamp, and then use a big cable tie Dennis gave me to hold the bell onto the tube to keep air from blowing by.

What really needs to happen is that I need about and inch and a quarter on either end of the bell. It's working for now, but is not as secure as I would like it to be on either end of the bell connector.

I'll email this to you and Dennis as well.

Thanks for your input!

Regards as always,

Norm

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=79 38&d=1131335905

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=79 39&d=1131335920


You know I could have saved myself $ and trouble by just hooking up the PHP box to the stock bellows, but I still would have had to deal with the J thingy hanging down, and this just looks 100% better and cleaner and actually allows me to see the coil covers.

Purely unnecessary bling I admit, but nice anyway. It's working for now with the big cable tie Dennis sent me, but is not as secure on either the MAF or the tube as it should be.

Thanks again.

[torinodan]

They say that if you use a hose clamp on the narrow end of the Metco tube you can crack it. As it was I was paranoid about tightening it at the TB, and it is probably a bit too loose there.
Norm
Norm, please refer to the first PM I sent you.