Methanol / Turbo Question

[johnfain]

Has anyone

1 - used a methanol/water injector on their s/c

2- ever seen this or has one installed - http://www.ststurbo.com/sts_demo

just curious. thanks. :burnout: :eek:

[BK_GrandMarquis]

Has anyone

2- ever seen this or has one installed - http://www.ststurbo.com/sts_demo

just curious. thanks. :burnout: :eek:
There was some talk about this a few months ago. No one has tried it though. They were supposed to have a universal kit or something back then.

[MENINBLK]

Has anyone

1 - used a methanol/water injector on their s/c

2- ever seen this or has one installed - http://www.ststurbo.com/sts_demo

just curious. thanks. :burnout: :eek:

You can't use METHANOL in our cars.
It will kill your injectors, as well as the lining in your fuel tank.

You CAN use Ethanol....

[huot5]

I think he means the water / alky injection kits ( a la snow perfomance.net) which injects the mist between the maf and the throttle body. I have it on my 02 F150 Harley and it does provide some response ( raising octane level and cooling intake temps). but I recently adjusted the tps voltage and that improved throttle response a bit also.

but h20 / alky gains are minimal compared to nitrous. h20 / alky requires less maintenance.

overall, I think we need to research / get input about the STS/ rear mounted turbo setup.

[Rkammer]

I have alchy injection on my Buick Grand National with the 3.8 turbo. It's injected after the intercooler and just before the throttle body and is set to only come on when turbo boost is above a certain (adjustable from the driver seat) level. With the alchy injection one can run well over 20 PSI boost ( I run about 23 PSI) on the street with 93 octane fuel. Without it, boost is limited to 16 or 17 PSI before detonation occurs. Many turbo Buicks are running alchy these days all over the country. It's good for at least 60-80 HP because of the increased boost. I would think the S/C Marauders could benefit from spraying alchy as well.

By the way, what makes the Ford injectors so different that they will be harmed by alcohol? I have 36 lb injectors in my Buick and have been running alchy for 5 years with no ill effects. Incidently, my injectors just happen to be "Blue Tops" which are Ford injectors from the Thunderbird Super Coupes.

[David Morton]

First, that system isn't available for our car, yet.

Second, I'll have to find out how they're controlling boost. If it's blow-off, there could be a driveability problem with our MAF-based air/fuel control computer.

They make some good points about heat. I always used to think in terms of making the most from the heat, but now I think maybe there's plenty of energy still available from the cooler "after cat" denser exhaust gas.

Hmmmm...

[Rkammer]

First, that system isn't available for our car, yet.

Second, I'll have to find out how they're controlling boost. If it's blow-off, there could be a driveability problem with our MAF-based air/fuel control computer.

They make some good points about heat. I always used to think in terms of making the most from the heat, but now I think maybe there's plenty of energy still available from the cooler "after cat" denser exhaust gas.
Hmmmm...
Regarding your first point, if you're interested, PM me and I'll give you the names of two suppliers of Alchy systems. One of them, I believe, is supplying systems for the LS1s with Vortech superchargers.

Regarding second point, the Buick 3.8 turbo is also a MAF based computer although the older OBD1 system. The Alchy systems available for them isn't very complicated and all that would be needed IMO is the correct pressure switch to sense boost and turn on the juice. Both systems I'm familiar with have in-car controllers to let the driver adjust both pump speed, flow, and ramping of the spray. It might be fun to be able to add another 50+ horsepower to the S/C MMs for about $400-500.

I might add to further put things in perspective, that the 3.8 liter Buick turbo motor is an 8 to 1 motor while ours are 9.8+. This has to play into the equation also.

[MENINBLK]

By the way, what makes the Ford injectors so different that they will be harmed by alcohol? I have 36 lb injectors in my Buick and have been running alchy for 5 years with no ill effects. Incidently, my injectors just happen to be "Blue Tops" which are Ford injectors from the Thunderbird Super Coupes.

Methanol is caustic to rubber and plastics.
Ethanol will not harm them.

Methanol will kill anyone's injectors.

[Mike Poore]

Has anyone

1 - used a methanol/water injector on their s/c

2- ever seen this or has one installed - http://www.ststurbo.com/sts_demo

just curious. thanks. :burnout: :eek:Hey thanks, John. I liked their website and presentation. Don't know about using one on my MM because of space issues; but it would be the cat's ass on the anemic 4.6 in my F-150. I'm on the hunt for a car trailer for Sunshine and need more snot if I'm gonna pull it with that truck. :)

[johnfain]

Methanol is caustic to rubber and plastics.
Ethanol will not harm them.

Methanol will kill anyone's injectors.

Hey everyone, I do mean methanol please see these links, this is what I had in mind. Methanol Concentrate mixture.

Bad Ford (http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/media/chillin1.htm)

Mr Freeze (http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/media/chillin2.htm)

Last Pg (http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/media/chillin3.htm)

[johnfain]

You can't use METHANOL in our cars.
It will kill your injectors, as well as the lining in your fuel tank.

You CAN use Ethanol....

I don't mean pouring it in the gas tank....
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