A ticket... Are you kidding me.....

[ghost03]

Driving home today i was pulled over by 2 Fhp officers. I noticed one behind me and the second one not far behind. The one right behind me pulled into the next lane and sped up and was just about even with me and let off and pulled right behind me again and lit me up......One officer comes to my car and says " do you know your window tints are dark "...In my head im thinking " really , I never noticed they were dark ". Anyway he asks me for mt dl/reg and comes back with the tint meter and says you have 5% visability..The legal is 28%.....I already knew that but i just decided to let him waste his time sweating his A$$ off in the heat. After giving me the ticket I drove off and they followd me to my exit, Then proceeded to follow me until I turned on to my street... Man these guys have nothing better to do than pull me over for stupid window tint... I guess they dont realize that we do live in Florida and it does get kinda hot....The darker the tint the less sun comes in.....Well i guess im going to get a lot more tickets cuz im not going to remove them..Its too hot down her in Fla.:censor: :fire: :banghead: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:

[Cobra25]

I'm a little surprized that the FHP Officer's would pull one of us over for window tint . I was told that 28% in front & 15 % in the rear is legal. As far as them following you home that doesn't sound right to me. I can understand you being :argh:. That is just :bs:.

[JCruz]

They're just jealous. :P lol


Sucks about the ticket though.

[ghost03]

I thought they were going to Dunkin Donuts but once they passed it thats when i started to wonder why they were following me... Did I have a Doughnut hanging from my trunk?????????

[JCruz]

lol when I had my 99 Crown Vic P71 someone put the Bad Cop/No Donut bumper sticker on it.

[SergntMac]

Driving home today i was pulled over by 2 Fhp officers. I noticed one behind me and the second one not far behind. The one right behind me pulled into the next lane and sped up and was just about even with me and let off and pulled right behind me again and lit me up......One officer comes to my car and says " do you know your window tints are dark "...In my head im thinking " really , I never noticed they were dark ". Anyway he asks me for mt dl/reg and comes back with the tint meter and says you have 5% visability..The legal is 28%.....I already knew that but i just decided to let him waste his time sweating his A$$ off in the heat. After giving me the ticket I drove off and they followd me to my exit, Then proceeded to follow me until I turned on to my street... Man these guys have nothing better to do than pull me over for stupid window tint... I guess they dont realize that we do live in Florida and it does get kinda hot....The darker the tint the less sun comes in.....Well i guess im going to get a lot more tickets cuz im not going to remove them..Its too hot down her in Fla.:censor: :fire: :banghead: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: You're upset enough about this to start another thread, so, you're not going to like my reply. Can't help that, but it seems to me that you are over the line on this. I mean you no harm, but your tint measured out to 5 percent visibility, and you "knew that". Well then, dude, you are out of line.

Window tint is a lot like DUI. The evidence presented against you in court by the LEO, is much less than what you think is defined by a machine.

In legit DUI enforcement, the officer observes your behavior. Slurred speech, fumbling manuevers, loss of balance, stupid remarks, and so on. It's his observations and notes of your behavior that will be presented to the court as evidence of your impairment. The breathalizer is just a machine that identifies alcohol as the cause of impairment, and BAC reveals the degree of your intoxication. Impairment and intoxication are two different issues, but both are key to a DUI conviction, follow me?

When the FHP cop drove up beside you before you were stopped, he was probably wondering if you were one of the FHP Marauders, and when he couldn't tell that, he should be making an observation of the effect of your degree of tint. If he could not see through your tint sufficient enough to be able to identify you as an FHP Marauder, or, identify you at a later time, maybe in a line-up, or, by photo, this should be his probable cause for the stop, the ticket, and I would expect his testimony in court.

Once he stopped you, the light meter machine simply fortifies his observation, as the breathalizer fortifies a DUI charge.

What say you against that? If the officer could not see enough of you to identify you another time, your tint is to dark. At 5 percent, you know he can't, so do I, and that's out of line.

Since he followed you for a while after he wrote the ticket, he may have wanted to see more (or, less) visibility, and how that changed in a different light. Moreover, LE computers may have been down too, and he should keep an eye on you until you clear. I've had delays that took me to the driver's front door, but when he walked in, I knew where I could start a search if he had warrants. Sometimes, it's that way for a reason.

I don't live in FLorida, but I've been there. Arizona too, both quite often. I know the value of a heavy tint, but I know the risk of too much tint too. Do you really believe you can survive a battle with the law over this? They will write you again, you know, and you'll be back in court too. Please, just get legal, and deal with the Sun as we all do.

No flame meant, just my .02C...Carry on?

[King Fubar]

Did he give you a ticket for just one window?? Because technically he could've gigged you all your windows. Here in Lee County thats 70.00 a piece.

[ghost03]

He just gave me for 1 window....I would have had an anurizm if he had given me ticket per window

[ctrcbob]

When I first got my used MM, the tint was way too dark. The tint shop told me it was 5%. I hated it. Had problems driving it at night and seeing out the side and rear windows. Took it to my tint shop and had them remove it and the put on a legal tint. (I think it is 35% but not sure - I have it written on the warranty and recept).

[jgc61sr2002]

Almost any additional tint on the front door windows is illegal. :(

[Shaft333]

I agree that the tint laws are a tad silly. And getting pulled over for them is not something I approve of.

Illinois allows no tint on the front. None. Nada. Zilcho. Makes me jealous that you are allowed some at all.

Aw, well.. you got caught. I have a lot of friends that got the tint ticket... even some that had the cop make them start pulling it off on the streetside. It's just part of the risk for folks that tint their windows here.

[TAF]

I have too many friends that are LEOs....I understand and agree with their feelings of walking up to a vehicle (day or night) where you can't see the occupants and what they are doing. I support the tint laws and I don't agree with having less visibility than what is stated in the law. I know many here will disagree...but, that's how I feel.

[sailsmen]

Very simple the LEO gets on the PA and advises them to roll down the window.

[Marauder386]

I just light up the interior with both my spotlights and foglights as well as high beams ... placing my DS headlight strategically so that it reflects off the sideview mirror ...
Day shift I ticket them for all windows if I cannot identify with full natural sunlight streaming into the car ...
... and lately around here the local "independant businessmen" have taken to tinting the front windshield on their auto auction CVPI's ... only our detectives and observation vehicles are like that ...


:coolman:

[Rkammer]

Even though I'm in Florida and would love to be able to darken my windows more, I undestand the reasons for the laws and abide by them. My fronts and rears (sides) are 35% and the rear is a 15%. Our cars have good A/C and should cool down fairly quickly when started up. In addition, I have a remote start and usually start the car up before I get outside so, it's cooled down when I get in. A great add-on which I really love. :)

[THE_INTERCEPTOR]

I have had 5% on my Vic for over 4 years now. I've been pulled over at least 8 times in the last 3 years, had anywhere from one to eight cars pull me over, search my vehicle, ask me questions, tell me to sit on the curb, talk to me like I'm some ghetto thug, etc. Guess a young black guy can't drive a nice car these days without being labeled a drug dealer. Anyway, as far as tint goes, I've had 5% for over 4 years, and out of all the times I've been pulled over, had my car searched, been questioned, etc, only ONCE did they say something about my tint, and I got off with a verbal warning. ;) I love my 5%. I don't like people looking at me. When I get pulled over, for the officer's safety, I roll down all 4 of my windows. :)

[DEFYANT]

This was posted in another window tint thread:


I am staying legal. FYI, the windows come from ford at about 75% tint. In MD the limit is 35%. They will bring it down to the limit.

Here is where people get into trouble and tint business makes money. You go into the tint place and say "I want legal tint. They say the limit is 35% do you want that? You reply "Yes". They apply 35% to the car and get paid. Their happy and your happy with nice dark windows. But what they fait to tell you is that the windows are already tinted from the factory. You get pulled over and I put the tint meter on your windows and it shows somewhere around 20%. You get all pissed off at me because the tint place screwed you into a repair order (fix it ticket). And guess where you bring it to get the windows fixed? Right back to the guy who put the tint on in the first place. He gets you three times!!!! Once to put tint on, then to remove the illegal tint, then to make it tinted legal.

Be specific when you ask for tinted windows if you want to stay legit. If you want illegal windows, consider this:

We have a guy at work whos pet peve is tinted windows. He'll write the repair order and give a $55.00 ticket. After awile he'll check up on you and if he finds you've satisfied the repair order and then re-tinted the windows below 35% again, off to jail you go!!

For the record, I have better things to do, but hey I have my pet peves too...
Oh and BTW, I have made some good arrests based on a tint violation. Remember, if you have an attitude with the police you are going to get written.

I wonder which thread will get deleted since you posted twice about the same ticket. :down:

[MarauderTJA]

Driving home today i was pulled over by 2 Fhp officers. I noticed one behind me and the second one not far behind. The one right behind me pulled into the next lane and sped up and was just about even with me and let off and pulled right behind me again and lit me up......One officer comes to my car and says " do you know your window tints are dark "...In my head im thinking " really , I never noticed they were dark ". Anyway he asks me for mt dl/reg and comes back with the tint meter and says you have 5% visability..The legal is 28%.....I already knew that but i just decided to let him waste his time sweating his A$$ off in the heat. After giving me the ticket I drove off and they followd me to my exit, Then proceeded to follow me until I turned on to my street... Man these guys have nothing better to do than pull me over for stupid window tint... I guess they dont realize that we do live in Florida and it does get kinda hot....The darker the tint the less sun comes in.....Well i guess im going to get a lot more tickets cuz im not going to remove them..Its too hot down her in Fla.:censor: :fire: :banghead: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:I would have asked if you could have seen the reading of tint meter on his car. How many crusiers here have illegal tint in Florida? Most of them. But their cars also have red/blue lights.

I have legal tint for my front windows and 30% for the rears according to Florida law. I personally have problems with limo dark tint as it can be a safety hazard during the day and at night. But when I was a Trooper I did a study of tinted windows in college (night school) and found interesting statistics and information. For safety, Officers during day advised the operator to roll down all windows, at night turn the interior light on (as well as lighting up the car). There are few documented officer based motor vehicle incidents (injuries/attacks) when stopping cars with tinted windows as their approach is far safer and more cautious. For the motorist, in high sun rate climates (daytime only) it has been proven that tinted windows make for a safer driver due to less eye fatigue/stress resulting in better driver awareness.

The bottom line, go to a safe tint and you will not have to worry about getting stopped and cited. Black Marauders look great with the blacked out windows. Citations cost money and having attitude with a cop will surely get you a ticket.

[DEFYANT]

I would have asked if you could have seen the reading of tint meter on his car. Total BS. How many crusiers have dark tint here? Most all of them.
The P/O prolly tested the drivers window. I would do the test right there with the driver watching. There is no argument. I have issued a tint ticket only if the stop resulted in an arrest or if the driver was trying to :flamer: me.

I can't count how many stops were going to be warnings and ended up tickets simply because the drivers attitude. :shake:

[prchrman]

Never cop an attitude with a cop...yes sir-no sir is the way to address a man in uniform...he is trying to do you and me a service and if the window tint is too dark...change it...if you are wrong then you are wrong...willie

[SergntMac]

I agree that the tint laws are a tad silly. And getting pulled over for them is not something I approve of. Illinois allows no tint on the front. None. Nada. Zilcho. Makes me jealous that you are allowed some at all. Aw, well.. you got caught. I have a lot of friends that got the tint ticket... even some that had the cop make them start pulling it off on the streetside. It's just part of the risk for folks that tint their windows here. Just to correct the record, Illinois does not employ meters, and does not measure tint by darkness, because Illinois has no tint law. You can do anything you want, as long as you do not obstruct the driver's view. This includes things hanging from the RV mirror, and stuff on the rear package shelf. That said, it's the officers "opinion" alone, and if he thinks your view is obstructed, he'll write the ticket.

Also, inside Chicago city limits, your car can be seized and held for forfiture, based on the officers opinion. Doesn't that suck...

My windows are tinted, but lightly. I can lay a newspaper on the front seat and read a story in the daytime. At night I can at least read the title of the story without a flashlight. Still, obstruction to view is in the eyes of the officer.

[juno]

Question,


I bought my MM used and it seems to have additional tint. What are the limits in FL and how do I tell what I am at?

I would prefer not to have any excuse to be pulled over, I have nothing to hide but I don't need to be wasting any officer's time or get a ticket for a few MPH's over because the tint attracted attention.
If I was a cop I wouldn't like to pull over a car I can't see into clearly and I think I would probably give everyone I saw one warning. (or a ticket if they had a 'tude) :)

[MARAUDERCHICK]

I know the feeling!!! I got pulled over on the Fourth of July weekend for the same thing!!!!:mad2:

All I could think is.......ummmmm.....don't you guys have something better to do on the 4th of July other than pull someone over for a tint violation!!!!!:shake:
Maybe look for drunk drivers or something dangerous like that!!!

I'm with you.....I'm not having my tint removed!!! It's hotter than a cow on fire here in Georgia during the summer and I just refuse to get rid of it! As a matter of fact....they had changed the laws in Georgia which stated no limits on tint. THEN.......a few months later, they changed their minds and went back to the 32% rule!!! I don't think it's fair to do that! I had my tint installed during the "OK" period! So, I don't think I should have to remove my tint if it was installed during a "legal" period of time! It's obviously a revenue booster if you ask me! I shouldn't be ticketed if I can prove the date of installation!

[Shaft333]

Just to correct the record, Illinois does not employ meters, and does not measure tint by darkness, because Illinois has no tint law. You can do anything you want, as long as you do not obstruct the driver's view. This includes things hanging from the RV mirror, and stuff on the rear package shelf. That said, it's the officers "opinion" alone, and if he thinks your view is obstructed, he'll write the ticket.

Also, inside Chicago city limits, your car can be seized and held for forfiture, based on the officers opinion. Doesn't that suck...

I remember being pulled over in HS for stuff hanging on the mirror and getting hollered at for telling a cop it's matches in the match book on the package tray. Those cops were usually employing those laws as reason to check on us.

Chicago's laws are a big reason why I don't go there much. I hate their mayor too.

[shakes_26]

Man they like their barbecue in Georgia, but couldn't y'all kill the cow first before you light it on fire?http://mercurymarauder.net/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif







!! It's hotter than a cow on fire here in Georgia during the summer !

[StevenJ]

I have had 5% on my Vic for over 4 years now. I've been pulled over at least 8 times in the last 3 years, had anywhere from one to eight cars pull me over, search my vehicle, ask me questions, tell me to sit on the curb, talk to me like I'm some ghetto thug, etc. Guess a young black guy can't drive a nice car these days without being labeled a drug dealer. Anyway, as far as tint goes, I've had 5% for over 4 years, and out of all the times I've been pulled over, had my car searched, been questioned, etc, only ONCE did they say something about my tint, and I got off with a verbal warning. ;) I love my 5%. I don't like people looking at me. When I get pulled over, for the officer's safety, I roll down all 4 of my windows. :) Dude, no offense but if you were to pull up in your vic with tints and 22s, I'd definietely think you selling something! A lot of dealers tend to drive Vics though. I mean, it's that kind of car. They also like Caprices, Fleetwoods, etc. Things of that nature. How do I know this? I live in South Florida, trust me, there's a lot of drugs down here. Not that I take any personally which I don't. I just see this stuff going around me all the time.

[MaLo03]

Ohhhhhh Tarter Sauce!

[merc6]

yep I realized just swapping from factory 18's to 16's changed the whole profile of the car. And as for the tint...I don't register my vehicles localy.

[KillJoy]

I would have asked if you could have seen the reading of tint meter on his car. How many crusiers here have illegal tint in Florida? Most of them. But their cars also have red/blue lights.

At least in Ohio, Police Cars are not titled as Motor Vehicles. They are Off-Road Vehicals....or something like that. That means they can have whatever they want.

Your tint was too dark. You knew it. You got a ticket. What did you expect. Pay the fine, fix the tint, get on with life. Or, keep the tint and keep getting tickets.:rolleyes:

KillJoy

[mpearce]

If it's so hot, and you're not legal...drive with your windows down, or at least roll them down when you see the heat...

Take your chances at night, or when it's cold.

-Mat

[MarauderMarc]

Dude, no offense but if you were to pull up in your vic with tints and 22s, I'd definietely think you selling something! A lot of dealers tend to drive Vics though. I mean, it's that kind of car. They also like Caprices, Fleetwoods, etc. Things of that nature. How do I know this? I live in South Florida, trust me, there's a lot of drugs down here. Not that I take any personally which I don't. I just see this stuff going around me all the time.

Wow Steven. Thats profiling if I ever saw it. I know alot of people with rims and big bodied cars and theyre not dealers.

[Hotrauder]

Steven, do you do this kind of crap on purpose? Man, I know you don't think it is ok to treat people like that because of their car? I don't believe for a minute you think that. If I did I would recommend your dropping out of college-immediately- you would already be educated way beyond your intelligence. :shake: Dennis

[RoyLPita]

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[Marauderman]

You're upset enough about this to start another thread, so, you're not going to like my reply. Can't help that, but it seems to me that you are over the line on this. I mean you no harm, but your tint measured out to 5 percent visibility, and you "knew that". Well then, dude, you are out of line.

Window tint is a lot like DUI. The evidence presented against you in court by the LEO, is much less than what you think is defined by a machine.

In legit DUI enforcement, the officer observes your behavior. Slurred speech, fumbling manuevers, loss of balance, stupid remarks, and so on. It's his observations and notes of your behavior that will be presented to the court as evidence of your impairment. The breathalizer is just a machine that identifies alcohol as the cause of impairment, and BAC reveals the degree of your intoxication. Impairment and intoxication are two different issues, but both are key to a DUI conviction, follow me?

When the FHP cop drove up beside you before you were stopped, he was probably wondering if you were one of the FHP Marauders, and when he couldn't tell that, he should be making an observation of the effect of your degree of tint. If he could not see through your tint sufficient enough to be able to identify you as an FHP Marauder, or, identify you at a later time, maybe in a line-up, or, by photo, this should be his probable cause for the stop, the ticket, and I would expect his testimony in court.

Once he stopped you, the light meter machine simply fortifies his observation, as the breathalizer fortifies a DUI charge.

What say you against that? If the officer could not see enough of you to identify you another time, your tint is to dark. At 5 percent, you know he can't, so do I, and that's out of line.

Since he followed you for a while after he wrote the ticket, he may have wanted to see more (or, less) visibility, and how that changed in a different light. Moreover, LE computers may have been down too, and he should keep an eye on you until you clear. I've had delays that took me to the driver's front door, but when he walked in, I knew where I could start a search if he had warrants. Sometimes, it's that way for a reason.

I don't live in FLorida, but I've been there. Arizona too, both quite often. I know the value of a heavy tint, but I know the risk of too much tint too. Do you really believe you can survive a battle with the law over this? They will write you again, you know, and you'll be back in court too. Please, just get legal, and deal with the Sun as we all do.

No flame meant, just my .02C...Carry on?

Your response Mac , although back in Aug cause it was just updated here , is appreciated --cause its great to get the true reasoning from an LEO prespective drivers seat------When you read your response--it makes perfect sence why the LEO actions were what they were---you give all a much needed explaination very simply that people don't always see....I personaly appreciuate it--I myself --ride with my friend , an LEO, and alot more should if its allowed where you are-You get to see and appreciate alot in a new way why LEO do what and when they do........--just wanted to let all know your reply is good for everone --and they should stop and read it carefully--its not as if they now you and can see you and what you have or your actions so clear...........BTW--I have tint and its 35% here in NC--and thats what I have--......Tom

[merc406]

Wow, Florida has some big azzed birds down here, Bald Eagles?

[Cobra25]

Steven your like a Hemorroid that won't go away. Remember these wise words : Stop, Think, Stop.

[MarauderMarc]

Wow, Florida has some big azzed birds down here, Bald Eagles?

Huh? :confused:

[blackf0rk]

I got puled over the other day for having "too dark" of a tint. The officer can see into the car on a normal day, and on a normal lit street at night they can see into it. Why did he pull me over? Many people have said it was because was pulling out of a jewlery store where a lot of known "thugs" and "black people" buy their jewelry, AND because of how my car looks - dark windows, larger rims. The officer had to literally do two u-turns to get to me. Was he profiling me, probably, but it doesn't matter.

I don't agree with the exact tint laws, but if you don't have it then any thug on the street could legally have tripple limo tint; point a gun at an officer while approaching the vehicle, kill, and run.

Maybe a better alternative would be to allow tints on all windows (except front for civi vehicles) to be dark enough to provide shade, but light enough to see shadows/sollouette's when approaching the vechile. Also, when stopped passenger front and rear window should be down, and hands on your wheel.

If you made that a law, the tint wouldn't be such a problem for normal traffic stops I would think.

[MarauderMark]

:popcorn: :popcorn:
I'm curious Would a leo in his own personal car who does have dark tint get a ticket? Also why dont those limos get pulled over since you cannot see in there as well .and we've all heard storys of what goes on inside those cars too.

[LVMarauder]

the government should not be allowed to regulate window tints when we have bigger problems like 4 million illegal immigrants a year crossing our borders, or how America is slidding down the education scale faster and faster or the obesity rates. once we get that taken care of we can go to work on our "perfect" utopian society. :rasta:

[wsmylie]

the government should not be allowed to regulate window tints when we have bigger problems like 4 million illegal immigrants a year crossing our borders, or how America is slidding down the education scale faster and faster or the obesity rates. once we get that taken care of we can go to work on our "perfect" utopian society. :rasta: I agree with you that the window tint issue isn't really too important in the "big picture" view of things....but what do the state/local traffic cops really have to do with illegal immigration policies or education priorities etc???

[ghost03]

Steven, do you do this kind of crap on purpose? Man, I know you don't think it is ok to treat people like that because of their car? I don't believe for a minute you think that. If I did I would recommend your dropping out of college-immediately- you would already be educated way beyond your intelligence. :shake: Dennis Im keeping my mouth shut this time around:censor:

[jabird56]

Here in Nebraska it is illegal for the tint vendors/installers to apply tint that would "bust" the legal accumalative tint between the OEM and the tint film. Total accumalative amount here is 35% front doors/20% rear doors/20% rear window.....which is the way my MM is setup. :cool:

[94_302]

While I understand the reason for the tint laws, I don't see the point of pulling somone over just for tint. Or pulling someone over for not wearing their seatbelt. (By the way I never drive without mine on) I'm sure all will agree that their are far too many crazy/dangerous drivers here in south florida, so why spend time on a tint ticket? The officers time and the publics interest would be better served going after those drivers than a tint violater. I realize a heavily tinted car poses a threat to officers when they approach, because their is no telling what the occupant is doing or their intentions. However if they are obeying all traffic laws at the time, why bother them when there is a greater problem?

[mpearce]

the government should not be allowed to regulate window tints when we have bigger problems like 4 million illegal immigrants a year crossing our borders,

You guys need to read Macs post again. The gov isn't the problem here. Where he comes from the cops make up their own rules. Aparently illinois has no tint law, but the cops "opinion" makes the law. In essence they are the law, and if there is no law, they can make one, simply on their opinion alone. Wow.

-Mat

[Rider90]

You guys need to read Macs post again. The gov isn't the problem here. Where he comes from the cops make up their own rules. Aparently illinois has no tint law, but the cops "opinion" makes the law. In essence they are the law, and if there is no law, they can make one, simply on their opinion alone. Wow.

-Mat
I can vouch for being overlooked atleast a dozen times directly by officers in Illinois for my window tint. It only gets mentioned if I get pulled over for something else. I've been at lights next to cops, driving by in a neighborhood, speed traps, everything, and they have not pulled me over in the MM for tints only. On the other hand, I got pulled over twice for window tints on my CVPI within a couple months. I've had the MM tinted for over a year. 35% front, 5% rear (Rear is legal, front is not)

[MarauderMarc]

You guys need to read Macs post again. The gov isn't the problem here. Where he comes from the cops make up their own rules. Aparently illinois has no tint law, but the cops "opinion" makes the law. In essence they are the law, and if there is no law, they can make one, simply on their opinion alone. Wow.

-Mat

Yeah we get it. If the cop wants to find a reason to pull you over to harass you, hell use that as an excuse. Typical. Probably happens at the end of the month when the quotas are due.

[magindat]

Rob,
I haven't read all the replies, but I am sorry you got stopped.

Whenever I get tint, I just factor in the cost of a couple tickets over the years. I'm respectful and all that stuff they like when I get stopped, but I know I'll get the ticket and I just live with it.

I have had several of my cars with the ENTIRE WINDSHIELD tinted. They can impound for that, but I have acted right, said it was mainly a show car and explained I once had a large bird go through the glass and again, just take the ticket and factor into the cost of ownership.

It's only money.
See ya soon.
Rich

[SergntMac]

Yeah we get it. If the cop wants to find a reason to pull you over to harass you, hell use that as an excuse. Typical. Probably happens at the end of the month when the quotas are due. Ummm...no more quotas in Chicago, cops get to write all they want. But, write three on one driver, the wifey gets a toaster.
:lol:

Jokes and wise-cracks aside, the real issue here is understanding what you're taking on when you mod a car in this manner. There are rules everywhere, and when you step outside the rules, don't cry foul when you get sent to the penalty box. As a collective, we seem to do this often. We want to speed on the highways, drag race from a stop light, drive around with open pipes, paint the windows black, and pour on the stereo volume until ears bleed. But, we also want a break from law enforcement when we break the law. Typical too, I suppose.

Those states that use test equipment for tint, stereo, and exhaust volume are trying to do it right, and fairly. Those states that leave the decision in the cop's hands, are not really concerned with fairness. I'm sorry to say that Illinois (and the City of Chicago) are two such jurisdictions, buyer (and traveler) beware?

[MENINBLK]

I'm really surprised at all of you.

In today's times, Police Officers are working to protect our SAFETY.
Since 9/11, Safety has taken on a new meaning.

America has changed since then, and you guys need to get with the program.
You can't have your cake and eat it to, if what you do jeopardizes someone else's safety.
That's what the Police are looking for, every minute that they patrol the streets.

So if you want to drive around, with a flag on your vehicle that says, "I'm acting like a smart ass!",
then go ahead, because a P/O is going to read it just that way.
Doesn't matter what you do to raise the flag, and it doesn't matter how innocent you think you are,
if you can't be readily identified, then it calls for a closer inspection.

The Police are doing their job.
Either conform to the laws of your town, or find a town that has laws
that conform to the type of lifestyle you want to lead.

[wsmylie]

Yeah we get it. If the cop wants to find a reason to pull you over to harass you, hell use that as an excuse. Typical. Probably happens at the end of the month when the quotas are due. Marc... "typical"??, lighten-up buddy. The place I worked for several decades (Miami) was so busy that the regular patrol cops didn't have time to mess with routine traffic stuff, they were constantly running calls of shootings and other in-progress felony stuff, violent domestics, emergency back-ups for other units etc & etc & etc. The communications operators were constantly reminding evryone on the channal that they were holding "pages and pages" of calls. The only guys who were really expected to write any moderate to large number of tickets were the enforcement units (motorcycle cops) and the AIU cars between handling accidents. These guys usually had school zones and high accident areas assigned to them to monitor. I'm pretty sure this situation is true of most larger urban P.D's (ie Mac in Chicago). In my personal experience, learned early-on (and also from advise of the older/wiser guys) that regular/routine traffic stops for minor infractions were almost always nothing but a big PITA. It seemed like it "typically" resulted in having to endure listening to some self-important type sounding off about paying your salary, who he knows, how he isn't gonna pay the thing, how he's taking it to the highest court in the land and on & on. Soooo, just avoided the routine traffic stops unless they were to facilitate something more important like checking the car's VIN or running the guy for warrants. Oh and Marc...BTW buddy, remember that I've seen the way you drive after some of our Tower Shops get-togethers amigo:D .

[MarauderMarc]

Marc... "typical"??, lighten-up buddy. The place I worked for several decades (Miami) was so busy that the regular patrol cops didn't have time to mess with routine traffic stuff, they were constantly running calls of shootings and other in-progress felony stuff, violent domestics, emergency back-ups for other units etc & etc & etc. The communications operators were constantly reminding evryone on the channal that they were holding "pages and pages" of calls. The only guys who were really expected to write any moderate to large number of tickets were the enforcement units (motorcycle cops) and the AIU cars between handling accidents. These guys usually had school zones and high accident areas assigned to them to monitor. I'm pretty sure this situation is true of most larger urban P.D's (ie Mac in Chicago). In my personal experience, learned early-on (and also from advise of the older/wiser guys) that regular/routine traffic stops for minor infractions were almost always nothing but a big PITA. It seemed like it "typically" resulted in having to endure listening to some self-important type sounding off about paying your salary, who he knows, how he isn't gonna pay the thing, how he's taking it to the highest court in the land and on & on. Soooo, just avoided the routine traffic stops unless they were to facilitate something more important like checking the car's VIN or running the guy for warrants. Oh and Marc...BTW buddy, remember that I've seen the way you drive after some of our Tower Shops get-togethers amigo:D .

What I meant by typical is what I have seen. Ive seen the pettiest excuses to pull someone over. My family is in the Paramedic/Firefighter/Lawenforcement field and I hear the truths and what really goes on. Im not saying that all are like this, but I know that it is not uncommon. And about my driving after Tower meets, THATS WHAT WE DO!!!!! Be do burnouts, we hotrod to the dinner site, ect., ect. I am so sick of hearing that I am this horrible, dangerous driver just because of what we have done after the meets. Daily driving I am pretty much normal, with the exceptions of hammering it here and there, but thats why I bought a Marauder. if I wanted to drive it like some old Grandpa (like most vette drivers) I would have bought a cruising car with a 4 cyl. engine. So what if I did donuts that one night. Thats the 2nd and last time I have ever done that. Have I wrecked my car, ruined it, or trashed it? NO. I go through tires alot, but so what, its my money. Deal with it.

[wsmylie]

Marc...calm down buddy....I don't believe I've ever mentioned your driving before, have I? Only brought it up this time, half-humorously, in the context of the discussion here (and your comments) in this thread. I agree, the after-meeting burn-outs are fun and entertaining for the group and hopefully will not become an issue with the local cops in Broward County. As far as "dealing with" your tire burning etc....I don't really care about it one way or the other (as you can probably tell from the tone of my previous posts) it's your car and your money. But Marc....if as you mentioned you are getting stopped more than occasionally and you are becoming "sick" of hearing about your driving practices from others (again, certainly not me) maybe you might need to consider some adjustments my friend?? Just a thought. As far as not yet wrecking your car I feel that you are indeed fortunate and I sincerely hope you remain that way, honestly. But please bear in mind that it's only gonna take once for something bad to happen and there aint no undoing afterward. This is all just IMHO:) . Take care and good luck,BILL.

[ghost03]

Hey Marc Lighten up dude. Your getting all bent out of shape. Everyone is just expressing how they feel. You know that people dont always agree with what others have to say. Like you said " Deal with it " Im not picking on you or singling you out ( I only do that for a certain member who likes to drink tea ). As far as your driving, No one is saying that you are a bad driver. We all drive aggressive at times, some more than others. Just let it go.....Go out and do a BURNOUT I promise it will make you feel a whole lot better.

[MaLo03]

I have no tints. I'm tired of getting pulled over for no reason so I don't give the police a reason to pull me over. Well.......maybe when im speeding.

[StevenJ]

Wow Steven. Thats profiling if I ever saw it. I know alot of people with rims and big bodied cars and theyre not dealers.

You're also about half a year late for that response. This post was most definitely brought back from the graveyard!

[MaLo03]

Wow Steven. Thats profiling if I ever saw it. I know alot of people with rims and big bodied cars and theyre not dealers.
And thats the problem Marc. Ive allways had nice hooked up cars, allways worked hard to get the things I want but cant get away from these profiling police. And the sad part is that now my son who will turn 19 this July is going through this same things I went through and he works hard man and it aint right! Why do they have to assume the worst????He goes to school during the day, works 10pm-3am doing the right thing...You Know.....its a DAMN SHAME!
When other parents were teaching there kids about "the birds and the bees" I was training my son on how to react, stay calm and not move when the police pull him over. I know there are alot of good police out there but lets face it, there are alot of really messed up cops too. I got more than my fare share of cursing and getting smacked up and roughed around growing up in Brooklyn. I KNOW WHATS UP.....
PLEASE, NO OFFENCE TO ANY POLICE MEN/WOMEN HERE.

[SergntMac]

I know there are alot of good police out there but lets face it, there are alot of really messed up cops too. I got more than my fare share of cursing and getting smacked up and roughed around growing up in Brooklyn. I KNOW WHATS UP...PLEASE, NO OFFENCE TO ANY POLICE MEN/WOMEN HERE. No offense taken by me, my friend, and I doubt any of the other cops we have come to know here would disagree with me.

I too, came up the hard way in a tough Chicago neighborhood, which is exactly why I decided to join the cops. I decided to make a difference, rather than let it all carry on while I ran away to other burbs.

Thus, I'm not always a popular voice at my roll calls because of my views, but I'm usually not thought of as wrong. After 30 years of service, I am more proud of the police brutality that I have stopped before it happened, than I have been accused of taking part in. The rhetoric flows from both sides, yes?

With two "deadly force" topics floating about here, and not one word about the cost of gasoline in three weeks, I wonder what we're coming to...

[Hotrauder]

And thats the problem Marc. Ive allways had nice hooked up cars, allways worked hard to get the things I want but cant get away from these profiling police. And the sad part is that now my son who will turn 19 this July is going through this same things I went through and he works hard man and it aint right! Why do they have to assume the worst????He goes to school during the day, works 10pm-3am doing the right thing...You Know.....its a DAMN SHAME!
When other parents were teaching there kids about "the birds and the bees" I was training my son on how to react, stay calm and not move when the police pull him over. I know there are alot of good police out there but lets face it, there are alot of really messed up cops too. I got more than my fare share of cursing and getting smacked up and roughed around growing up in Brooklyn. I KNOW WHATS UP.....
PLEASE, NO OFFENCE TO ANY POLICE MEN/WOMEN HERE.

And we are B****in about tint tickets. Man, I understand both sides of that discussion but I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why 40 years later we still have not gotten even a small grip on racism. Eggie, I am ashamed that your son has to carry this burden. It frightens me how easy my life has been by comparison. I admire you both your ability to deal. I don't think I could have done it, my friend not at your age and certainly not at 19. I really don't. I don't know where I have been not to know that this is still going on every day. It has got to stop and we all have to insist that it does. Please. Dennis

[Hotrauder]

Ok, I have calmed down a little bit. Most of us have no idea what true injustice is. Men should not have to teach their children to recognize, tolerate and learn to live with it. That is not what this country should be for anyone. Dennis

[SergntMac]

I'd like to add more to this thread, if it's still open in the AM.

Y'all get a good night's sleep, but remember why you can...

[woaface]

When I was pulled over once with legal tint, it was at night and all was dark. Here, the legal tint was enough to darken the car to where you couldn't see inside, and the officer put on every light he had.

It wasn't necessary however, as I not only turned on my dome light and rolled down all of my windows. Nothing to hide and I was pulled over for something that I should not have (long story, I told him he couldn't give me a ticket and if he had nothing further to please let me go...I later spoke with an LEO friend and I was 100% right on the standing law. No reason I should have been stopped) Either way I was nice as hell to the guy and I can understand that I'd be scared *****less walking up to a car with black windows.

I always make it a priority to make the officer feel as comfortable as he's allowed when I'm pulled over (which happens occasionally for check stops and what not)

As far as the tint goes, you know if it really bothers you that bad you can have a prescription written for darker tint, which is what I'll have done if I can when I'm in FL. Solve your qualms in a legal fashion.

[Cobra25]

I'm not going to say too much about this ,but My window's are legally tinted and never had a problem or been pulled over. Thats all I want to say.

[sfsv]

I have a lot of friends who are FHP officiers and they tell me one of their greatest fears is pulling over vehicles with tint that is so dark that you can't see inside of the vehicle. As a LEO you try to eliminate as many occupational hazards as possible. A lot of Troopers will not stop a vehicle that they cannot see in unless they have back-up. Don't expect to get off with a warning, if a Trooper has to pull another Trooper from another patrol zone to back him/her up. Troopers have to give an account of what reason/s twhen they leave their assigned zone to assist another Trooper. About a year ago I know the US Marshalls were looking for a fugutive who owned a black MM and was considered armed and extremely dangerous ( he was seen several times at a target range). I never seen any report that they ever captured him.

[woaface]

I'm sorry but the wellbeing of officers has been priority long before 9/11. Thus, 9/11 and tint laws are irrelevent.

If a state allows dark tint I would have no problem with a state requirement that you roll your two side windows down for just a moment while the officer approaches. In fact, it may be bizzare but an officer can announce that over the speaker can't he? I mean, you are technically being arrested for a small time frame in which the officer has A.) Decided you at fault for something and will ticket you or warn you or B.) Is just a punk ass who's bored.

Answer A is more likely and if the officer feels his life is threatened he is allowed to use measures as he deems fit to protect himself first and foremost. What the hell is wrong with asking you to roll down an extra window?

If you can, get a prescription. If you can't, that sucks.

Another thing. In the state of South Carolina, there are laws on the books we get away with every day. The ones who DO get tickets (for tint or loud systems or speeding) were being total a**holes about it and did it in a manner that was disrespectful to others, was doing something else retarded or jepordizing other's lives. THAT's when an officer says "Ok kid...you're not allowed to bend the rules like this and we're past the point of me using my disgresion so here's a ticket."


I'm really surprised at all of you.

In today's times, Police Officers are working to protect our SAFETY.
Since 9/11, Safety has taken on a new meaning.

America has changed since then, and you guys need to get with the program.
You can't have your cake and eat it to, if what you do jeopardizes someone else's safety.
That's what the Police are looking for, every minute that they patrol the streets.

So if you want to drive around, with a flag on your vehicle that says, "I'm acting like a smart ass!",
then go ahead, because a P/O is going to read it just that way.
Doesn't matter what you do to raise the flag, and it doesn't matter how innocent you think you are,
if you can't be readily identified, then it calls for a closer inspection.

The Police are doing their job.
Either conform to the laws of your town, or find a town that has laws
that conform to the type of lifestyle you want to lead.

Considering the picture in my signature, those tints are 100% legal but you can struggle a little to see inside on a sunny day and don't even bet on it at night. Admittedly, an officer may not expect to see a glock pop out of a $40,000 car but it could happen but even legal tints can cause an officer to be fearful of what's inside.

[woaface]

On a humorous note, one thing I was nervous about for a while was being stopped with my dog in the car. 70lbs of german shepherd does not like strange men. I was scared he would try to jump up front and while I know he wouldn't bite, and I could keep him back, that's absolutly NOT a situation I wanted to be in.

Then I had a gate installed and he can bark all he wants but he can't harm a fly locked up back there.

[MarauderMarc]

Marc...calm down buddy....I don't believe I've ever mentioned your driving before, have I? Only brought it up this time, half-humorously, in the context of the discussion here (and your comments) in this thread. I agree, the after-meeting burn-outs are fun and entertaining for the group and hopefully will not become an issue with the local cops in Broward County. As far as "dealing with" your tire burning etc....I don't really care about it one way or the other (as you can probably tell from the tone of my previous posts) it's your car and your money. But Marc....if as you mentioned you are getting stopped more than occasionally and you are becoming "sick" of hearing about your driving practices from others (again, certainly not me) maybe you might need to consider some adjustments my friend?? Just a thought. As far as not yet wrecking your car I feel that you are indeed fortunate and I sincerely hope you remain that way, honestly. But please bear in mind that it's only gonna take once for something bad to happen and there aint no undoing afterward. This is all just IMHO:) . Take care and good luck,BILL.

nevermind

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[Cobra25]

What I was upset about is the constant crap I am given ever since the night I did the donuts. Now all i hear is crap about me ruining my car, its going to be a parts car, and alot of other crap that has taken its toll on me. For those who were there when I was doing my donuts, I knew exactly what I was doing. I am a good driver and know my cars limits. I drive very well on my day to day commutes. Sure I hammer it from time to time, race a few people, ect., but I am smart about it. I have had 1 ticket since I have owned my car, and it wasnt for speeding. It was for tint. As Shakes said, My car has been babied, but definately NOT grandma'd. I see your all pumped up. If you need to talk give me a call.

[RoyLPita]

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[the_pack_rat]

:popcorn: :popcorn:

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[merc6]

I can't count how many stops were going to be warnings and ended up tickets simply because the drivers attitude. :shake: Same for stops on military instalations... you'd be surprised at how many people think our DOD cops would be punked out by them saying their military rank out ranks his civilian rank. We then get the call later asking why they got D.C. money tickets from the civilian cop they just mouthed off to. Some days I wish I was DOD :(

[MaLo03]

two "deadly force" topics floating about here, and not one word about the cost of gasoline in three weeks, I wonder what we're coming to...
Now thats really killing me, when is the price of gas going down.

[tmac1337]

nevermind

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Marc, I agree with you that we need to take these cars and TOTALLY THRASH THE ****** OUT OF EM! HAMMER IT! NAIL THE GAS! BURN UP THOSE REAR *****ES! DO DONUTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION, HOLD UP TRAFFIC, AND BLOW BLACK SMOKE INTO THE FACES OF SMALL CHILDREN! MARAUDERS ARE FOR MEN, VIC SPORTS AND GRAND MARQUIS ARE FOR PU**IES!

On the other hand, cops don't have quotas. Quotas have been found in court to be unuseful in Law Enforcement as it does put pressure on an employee to meet numbers. Whenever a person is pushed for number, sloppy work is the result, in any profession.

Also traffic tickets are a necessary evil in S. FL. The only thing stopping people from running red lights and killing familes (which commonly occurs) is traffic laws and tickets. Everyone thinks they are going to live forever so people do not envision themselves in hunks of twisted metal, hence "yellow" means put the pedal down. And also the Supreme Court has ruled that "pretext stops" are legal, meaning a cop may pull you over for a traffic violation and fish around for other violations after that.......like a SWEET smelling red bud joint!!!!!:P

But who cares about traffic tickets and safety........THRASH THAT MOTHER!

[Randolph]

Talk about trying to get a drink of water from a fire hose...S@#$.

I would just like an opinion on the Presidential Mirrored Silver Tint on a Marauder, anybody have one?

[ole69]

double post

[ole69]

MaLo03 i've had the same talk with my kids, and each year I re-enforce the conversation

I got "THREE" tickets last week from a North Miami cop in a light green plain-jane Magnum with tints around "5%"
I was in my Cavalier at the time, not my Vic(severely tinted, or else it would have been a tint showdown)
I had zero attitude, and he trumped up two extra tickets to go with the third
I think he must've thought I was some young kid driving that kinda car

As far as the Vic, I drive next to, behind and in front of cops with my 5%'s
It's never a question as to pull me over, most admire it and keep moving
I had one in Coconut Grove to pull me over and test them
He told me the reading, and let me go on my way with no ticket or warning:beer: :up:

The FHP cop on 70 in Arcadia(last Nov coming from Desoto Speedway), questioned me and told me they looked too dark and my front tint strip was too long, All in All he was a d i c k and he was getting smart and proking everyone in the car to respond with something he wouldn't like to hear. We ignored him. All I got was my speeding ticket and I was on my way.....

[ghost03]

Its very ironic that this thread came back from the dead. I was just on my way home and saw the same Trooper that gave me the ticket several months ago. I was driving behind him on University Dr. At first I thought it was just another Trooper but once I got a better look I realized it was the same one. Although my windows were already down and I was behind him I kept on driving behind him till I got to my street. He was driving under the speed limit, but I had a feeling he would nail me again if I passed him. As we both got to my street, I turned in the right lane while he was in the left lane and he started to stare at me while I was making the turn. I know that he remembered me but thankfully he didnt light me up this time......

[Cobra25]

Its very ironic that this thread came back from the dead. I was just on my way home and saw the same Trooper that gave me the ticket several months ago. I was driving behind him on University Dr. At first I thought it was just another Trooper but once I got a better look I realized it was the same one. Although my windows were already down and I was behind him I kept on driving behind him till I got to my street. He was driving under the speed limit, but I had a feeling he would nail me again if I passed him. As we both got to my street, I turned in the right lane while he was in the left lane and he started to stare at me while I was making the turn. I know that he remembered me but thankfully he didnt light me up this time...... You know what I'm begining to think , I think he's gay and he likes you !