Dyno Charts

[juno]

Do you have any dyno charts for the Trilogy s/c? The ones on the web site don't look right. It does not seem to match the peak numbers posted. The torque curve seems to drop like a rock at 4000 rpm. I would think that blower would have a much flatter torque curve.

[Bradley G]

Torque is to get the "Load" moving, after 4000 rpm, that chore is done.
That is the same impression I got looking at Mikes Merc's dyno sheet at MVIII.
:eek:

[RF Overlord]

^^^what Bradley said^^^

Eaton/Roots blowers (Trilogy) make more of their power at lower RPMs, then start to fall off, while centrifugal blowers (Vortech, ProCharger, etc) start out at lower boost levels then keep building at the RPMs climb. This is partly because centrifugal superchargers compress the air within their housings, whereas Roots blowers force air through the blower and the compressing is done in the manifold.

[juno]

I understand what torque and horsepower are, but those charts look nothing like any PD blower should.

[Smokie]

I understand what torque and horsepower are, but those charts look nothing like any PD blower should.I agree, that dyno chart looks bizarre to say the least, Also it states a bone stock MM. with a T-Kit will do 4.85 / 0-60 and 12.95 in the 1/4.

If when I run at Gainesville I get in the 12's I will be jumping for joy, can anyone tell me who ran high 12's bonestock with a base kit ?....I want some tips.:D

[Bradley G]

I ran 13.60@102 60' 1.9 in 90*+ humidity at Milan last weekend.

As the temps/humidity go down so will the ET's
I would offer you a ride in mine, but even at godspeed, Jupiter is a bit far.

[Smokie]

I ran 13.60@102 60' 1.9 in 90*+ humidity at Milan last weekend.

As the temps/humidity go down so will the ET's
I would offer you a ride in mine, but even at godspeed, Jupiter is a bit far.Brad you are crazy.:D I have friends here in Fla with T-Kits, no one I seen run or heard of has been under 13, not saying it can't happen, just never heard of it....maybe I will be the first.....;)

[04MEMA]

Do you have any dyno charts for the Trilogy s/c? The ones on the web site don't look right. It does not seem to match the peak numbers posted. The torque curve seems to drop like a rock at 4000 rpm. I would think that blower would have a much flatter torque curve.


Check it out, just more data to support.

MEMA's HP/TQ Plots (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15453)

Jeff

[prchrman]

I ran 13.60@102 60' 1.9 in 90*+ humidity at Milan last weekend.

As the temps/humidity go down so will the ET's
I would offer you a ride in mine, but even at godspeed, Jupiter is a bit far.


Jupiter is only about 20 min from my place...willie

[juno]

Check it out, just more data to support.

MEMA's HP/TQ Plots (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15453)

JeffThose are real Dyno charts and they look like they should look with that awesome PD blower torque curve.

They look nothing like the ones on the website. Something like those should be on the site.

Just FYI for those of you who are uninformed (If there is anybody like this on the site. :) ) If torque and HP aren't the same at ~5250 rpm, something is fishy with the dyno chart.

[BillyGman]

I think you would have a good chance of running in the high 12's with the basic Trilogy kit alone IF you have drag radials. With standard radials all that low-end power that the Eaton S/cer makes simply goes to waste during the launch, and it's just difficult to get hooked up on a consistent basis.

[BillyGman]

If torque and HP aren't the same at ~5250 rpm, something is fishy with the dyno chart.That's a widely accepted theory, however, I'm not convinced that it's neccessarily written in stone. It usually works that way, but I don't know if a deviation neccessarily indicates something amiss.

[sailsmen]

I agree, that dyno chart looks bizarre to say the least, Also it states a bone stock MM. with a T-Kit will do 4.85 / 0-60 and 12.95 in the 1/4.

If when I run at Gainesville I get in the 12's I will be jumping for joy, can anyone tell me who ran high 12's bonestock with a base kit ?....I want some tips.:D

I think it was Lidio in cool good air.

[RF Overlord]

My dyno from Lidio shows HP and TQ crossing at 5250. IIRC, he told me that the 2 are graphed independantly...the dyno operator can select "forced scaling" to make them cross at 5250, but whether they do or don't is immaterial; each graph is still accurate separately.

[juno]

That's a widely accepted theory, however, I'm not convinced that it's neccessarily written in stone. It usually works that way, but I don't know if a deviation neccessarily indicates something amiss.Geez, you are making me go to the wayback machine. :) I do remember 1 hp equals 550 ft-lbs per minute. Let me dig up some info.

I think it is a pretty solid assumption considering we are using rpm's and ft-lbs.
There are a number of different articles on the web, but this is the first one I came across.

Yes, a dyno run may vary with calibration, humidity, temperature etc, but if torque and HP are not close in the neighborhood of 5250, something is awry.



From http://www.largiader.com/articles/torque.html



"So, let's first go through the numbers to get from torque to horsepower. Pushing with 87.5 pounds (force) on the end of our 1-foot lug wrench applies a torque of 87.5 lbf-ft. No motion yet, so no work and no power. But now let's say the lug bolt loosens slightly and starts to turn, but that same 87.5 pounds of force is needed to keep the wrench turning. For every revolution of the wrench, you are applying 87.5 pounds of force over a distance of (2 * pi * 1 foot) or 6.28 feet, the circumference of the circle that your hand is making, for a total of 550 ft-lb of work. It's only when this system is actually moving that work is being performed. From here, it's a quick step to say that if you work fast enough to turn that wrench once per second, then you are doing 550 ft-lb of work per second, which means you are applying one horsepower.

By the definitions we can see that HP is directly proportional to torque and RPM. "Directly proportional" means there may be a multiplyer involved, so let's find it using our example numbers, remembering that 1 revolution per second is 60 RPM:

torque * RPM * constant = hp

87.5 lbf-ft * 60 rev/min * X = 1 hp

X = 1 / (60 * 87.5) = 1/5250

torque * RPM * 1/5250 = hp hp = (torque * RPM) / 5250 "

This is too much thinking for me. That's why I re,member that 5250 number. :)

[juno]

My dyno from Lidio shows HP and TQ crossing at 5250. IIRC, he told me that the 2 are graphed independantly...the dyno operator can select "forced scaling" to make them cross at 5250, but whether they do or don't is immaterial; each graph is still accurate separately.
Yes, like the graph's that were posted earlier by 04MEMA were seperate and accurate, but they are still the same at 5250.

[Bradley G]

I am glad to see you are happy now.:D

What if his graph was forced to show scaleing?


Yes, like the graph's that were posted earlier by 04MEMA were seperate and accurate, but they are still the same at 5250.

[juno]

I am glad to see you are happy now.:D

What if his graph was forced to show scaleing?
I am not sure what you mean by what is my point.

If you look at the dyno graph on the Trilogy site you will notice it is pretty funky looking. I did not like it and asked if there were others. The graphs posted since give a much better picture of how that blower produces.


Regardless of scaling, rpms and hp should be the same at 5250.

[RF Overlord]

If you look at the dyno graph on the Trilogy site you will notice it is pretty funky looking. The graphs posted since give a much better picture of how that blower produces.juno, I see your point...I didn't actually LOOK at the graph on the Trilogy site before posting, and you're right; it doesn't look anything like mine from Lidio does. :confused:

Since you posted the same question both here and in Dennis's site, I just thought you were asking why centrifugals and Roots' had different boost curves...mea culpa. :o

[Bradley G]

If you look at the dyno graph on the Trilogy site you will notice it is pretty funky looking[Quote]

Specifically, what don't you dig?
You posted a nice sience lesson, how are you relating this data to the Dynograph posted on the Trilogy website?
Horsepower and Torque not intersecting exactly at 5250 does not indicate the data is scewed.
You heard it from the Man who has more seat time than any of us.

[SergntMac]

For some odd reason, I cannot get into the Trilogy site to see the dyno graph Juno refers to. Is it posted anywhere else? Moving on...

I think you would have a good chance of running in the high 12's with the basic Trilogy kit alone IF you have drag radials. With standard radials all that low-end power that the Eaton S/cer makes simply goes to waste during the launch, and it's just difficult to get hooked up on a consistent basis. Absolutely, I agree. Generally speaking, a smart businessman would avoid promising any specific performance, other than the absolute known and proven minimum. If a promise is made, I would use that promise as my minimal expectation, my starting point I can grow from. To say a Trilogy kit on a bone stock MM could produce a mid 13 second pass is reasonable and honest. Unless someone totally screwed up the install, I'd expect 13.5x, or, better out of the box on a true bone stock MM. This protects the customer and the businessman, because the reality for the customer will be much improved, and they will be even more pleased. As Billy points out, one or two light mods to the bone stock MM, and you're off and running, I'd expect to see high 12s with drag radials myself.

This could explain Juno's confusion over posted dyno graphs too. Though I haven't seen the one he questions, in general, it would be problematic for Trilogy to display a "best ever" dyno graph as a sample of what a customer should expect. The varibles are too great. Post the bare minimum, and no one will say "I didn't get that much performance gain". This is good business 101.

That's a widely accepted theory, however, I'm not convinced that it's neccessarily written in stone. It usually works that way, but I don't know if a deviation neccessarily indicates something amiss. Horsepower and torque curves do indeed cross at 5252 RPMs. If it doesn't look this way on any particular dyno graph, I would question the data presented and question in this order.

1) Printer. Gawd, why do dyno shops spend 50 grand for a dyno, and 50 bucks on a printer that never seems to be working. If I've had 100 dynos in my life, 50 of them had screwed up printers, and I left with no data on the record, or, a report that was so messy even I could not tell what took place, and I was there and watching. If we need to find just the right wrenches to tune our MMs, then they need to find the right geeks to tune their data collection, display, and reporting systems.

Not to change the subject, but Sutton Ford is on top of this specific complaint. They have a top notch printer that gets regular maintenence, and they use photographic paper and print pictures. Neat, you get something for your money.

2) Dyno software. Again, same problem as the printer. Many shops bought their dynos 5, maybe 10 years ago, some bought second and third hand. This is okay for the hardware, but spend a few pennies to stay up to date with developments in software, K? This too, should be a no-brainer for the businessman who wants to do more business.

And 3) The style (mfg) of the dyno employed. The big three are Mustang, DynoJet, and DynaPack. Each style has it own peculiar twists, some can be manipulated, some cannot, but this would be #3 on my list of challenges to any dyno graph in question.

Albeit, I haven't seen the graph in question here, so, I cannot fathom a guess. However, any breakdown is not the failure of HP and TQ from the test vehicle, but a failure of the systems employed to record and display that data. Dyno graphs will not overcome, or, rewrite science.

BTW, every Trilogy/Eaton/Roots/Positive Duisplacement dyno graph I have ever seen, shows the capability and characteristics I expect to see. Where can I see the dyno graph Juno points too?

[Brutus]

I think if you look closer at the trilogy graph, you will see that the scale is out of proportion when you compare the HP side to the Tq. There is a span of 225 HP vs a span of 70 ft lbs for torque. If you actually compare the numbers at 5250 they are the same- approx 310.

The graph that 04MEMA posted shows that the spans between HP and Tq are alot closer. 350 for HP and 250 for Tq.

Just my observation!

[Smokie]

Where can I see the dyno graph Juno points too?Here Sarge LINK (http://www.trilogymotorsports.com/products/main_priceperfcomp.php) toward bottom of page.

[Tallboy]

As for what a "bone stock" Trilogy kit will do, my car runs consistent 13.1 second 1/4 miles. It has done it on multiple passes on three different nights at three different times of the year with three different drivers at the wheel [Me, Carfixer, and my friend Pete.].

This was achieved with 35 lbs. of air in the OEM tires. 3/4 tank of Amoco Ultimate in the tank. No race gas tune, no drag radials, full size spare in the trunk, both headlights in, etc.

Preface the above with me not making a rookie mistake and sending my tires up in smoke. I still have yet to master the perfect launch, and quite often I do not get the desired results. I am the textbook novice when it comes to drag racing a car.

The K&N FIPK kit was added a few months ago, but I have not noticed an appreciable difference in my 1/4 mile times. The car runs the same. Perhaps a more skillful driver would have better results.

[juno]

Sorry if I raised a rukus!!! I was just checking out the blower sites 'cause I am going to get something soon. Someone had posted a procharger dyno recently, but I had trouble finding a decent chart for DR and Trilogy so I asked for one. I did not mean to stir anything up. I have seen many PD blower charts on other sites and the Trilogy one just left me scratching my head. Like I said earlier, the ones posted since have that nice flat torque curve I am used to seeing on PD's. :)



Jay

[Tallboy]

Sorry if I raised a rukus!!! I was just checking out the blower sites 'cause I am going to get something soon. Someone had posted a procharger dyno recently, but I had trouble finding a decent chart for DR and Trilogy so I asked for one. I did not mean to stir anything up. I have seen many PD blower charts on other sites and the Trilogy one just left me scratching my head. Like I said earlier, the ones posted since have that nice flat torque curve I am used to seeing on PD's. :)



Jay

Can you describe the ruckus?

Seriously-no ruckus raised. Mac is spot-on in his assessment and I was just relaying my results. I don't know a whole lot about dynos or drag racing.

Yet.

[MI2QWK4U]

Here is one of my latest Dyno sheets, I cant find the 520 RWHP sheet, and I think I have another one besides this one that may have a higher number. my office is a mess!
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 04

[SergntMac]

Here Sarge LINK (http://www.trilogymotorsports.com/products/main_priceperfcomp.php) toward bottom of page. Thanks, Javier. Whew!

Now that I have taken a peek at this "suspect" graph Juno asks about, I better understand other replys posted here.

Yes, this graph appears to be a "tad" off the beaten dyno path, but it's a dyno graph from way back in August of 2003. Considering that the Trilogy supercharger kit was released for sale to consumers in late June of '03, I suspect this chart shows very early (therefore stale) data.

It does reflect the 5252 RPM crossover, but absent RPM grids we have since become accustomed to, it does look funny. "Funny" as others have described it, means compressed, and out of scale too.

I am sure this graph has not been tampered with, but I am not sure it is accurate today, and for the reasons I stated ^ there.

I am sure it represents what any Trilogy customer should expect in performance gains when installing a Trilogy kit on a "bone stock" Marauder, but I am not sure it shows the benefits of a Trilogy kit in its best light, and only because of updates in other areas I have mentioned ^ there.

Jerry Barnes and Trilogy should revisit and review this presentation again, and update it as they find necessary.

Juno...I don't think you have "raised a rukus", but your inquiry has invited some to examine this, while they would not usually bother. The bottom line is that it all looks okay, but it could look better, considering what we have learned over the past two years of supercharger, and computer development. If you need 411 to measure before you decide, take the more recent 411 under advisment?

[juno]

Sweet!!!!!!!!!

[MI2QWK4U]

Sweet!!!!!!!!!

What do you think is sweet?

[MikesMerc]

I have to agree, I think the dyno graphs on the Trilogy site are a bit hard to read. As Mac said, they are missing the grid which makes it difficult.

Anyway, to help out folks looking at the Trilogy kit and what power it produces with various mods, I've asembled my dyno graphs over various stages of build and present them here.

Here's is the base kit on a bone stock 2004 MM. Absolutely zero other mods.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 06&stc=1


Here is the kit with Kooks headers, Prom M 80mm MAM, and the 3.2 pulley. This is a nice bump for the investment.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 08&stc=1


Here is the kit with Kooks headers, 80mm Pro M MAM, and 3.0 pulley. Notice not much peak gain, but big gains in the mid range.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 09&stc=1


Here is the kit with Kooks headers, 80mm Pro M MAM, JLT elbow, and 2.8 pulley. Zero peak gain, but HUGE mid range tq pick up. Over 450 lb feet of TQ from 2800 to 5200.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 10&stc=1


And, finally, the Kooks headers, 90mm SCT MAM, 60lb injectors, JLT elbow, 2.8 pulley, and 80 shot NOS. Gotta love the low end tq of NOS. The quick dip in TQ is due to the timing I had Lidio pull out. I'm running the NOS tune very mild until next spring when my new forged short block will be done.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 11&stc=1


Hopefully this gives you an idea of what to expect.

[Bradley G]

Thanks for sharing your results Mike!

I wish I had a peek, at one of your runs @ Milan.


I have to agree, I think the dyno graphs on the Trilogy site are a bit hard to read. As Mac said, they are missing the grid which makes it difficult.

Anyway, to help out folks looking at the Trilogy kit and what power it produces with various mods, I've asembled my dyno graphs over various stages of build and present them here.

Here's is the base kit on a bone stock 2004 MM. Absolutely zero other mods.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 06&stc=1


Here is the kit with Kooks headers, Prom M 80mm MAM, and the 3.2 pulley. This is a nice bump for the investment.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 08&stc=1


Here is the kit with Kooks headers, 80mm Pro M MAM, and 3.0 pulley. Notice not much peak gain, but big gains in the mid range.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 09&stc=1


Here is the kit with Kooks headers, 80mm Pro M MAM, JLT elbow, and 2.8 pulley. Zero peak gain, but HUGE mid range tq pick up. Over 450 lb feet of TQ from 2800 to 5200.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 10&stc=1


And, finally, the Kooks headers, 90mm SCT MAM, 60lb injectors, JLT elbow, 2.8 pulley, and 80 shot NOS. Gotta love the low end tq of NOS. The quick dip in TQ is due to the timing I had Lidio pull out. I'm running the NOS tune very mild until next spring when my new forged short block will be done.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74 11&stc=1


Hopefully this gives you an idea of what to expect.

[1stMerc]

^^^what Bradley said^^^

Eaton/Roots blowers (Trilogy) make more of their power at lower RPMs, then start to fall off, while centrifugal blowers (Vortech, ProCharger, etc) start out at lower boost levels then keep building at the RPMs climb. This is partly because centrifugal superchargers compress the air within their housings, whereas Roots blowers force air through the blower and the compressing is done in the manifold.
So where do the twin screw style blowers make their power?

[stevengerard]

Man that's some sick Torque Curve Mike, it like a 455 stump puller

[Bradley G]

Early on, like the roots.

less fall off on the high end.


So where do the twin screw style blowers make their power?

[BillyGman]

Thanks, Javier. Whew!

Now that I have taken a peek at this "suspect" graph Juno asks about, I better understand other replys posted here.

Yes, this graph appears to be a "tad" off the beaten dyno path, but it's a dyno graph from way back in August of 2003. Considering that the Trilogy supercharger kit was released for sale to consumers in late June of '03, I suspect this chart shows very early (therefore stale) data.

It does reflect the 5252 RPM crossover, but absent RPM grids we have since become accustomed to, it does look funny. "Funny" as others have described it, means compressed, and out of scale too.

I am sure this graph has not been tampered with, but I am not sure it is accurate today, and for the reasons I stated ^ there.
I am sure it represents what any Trilogy customer should expect in performance gains when installing a Trilogy kit on a "bone stock" Marauder, but I am not sure it shows the benefits of a Trilogy kit in its best light, and only because of updates in other areas I have mentioned ^ there.

Jerry Barnes and Trilogy should revisit and review this presentation again, and update it as they find necessary.

Juno...I don't think you have "raised a rukus", but your inquiry has invited some to examine this, while they would not usually bother. The bottom line is that it all looks okay, but it could look better, considering what we have learned over the past two years of supercharger, and computer development. If you need 411 to measure before you decide, take the more recent 411 under advisment?That's very well put. Great post^ I agree totally.

[Smokie]

Anyway, to help out folks looking at the Trilogy kit and what power it produces with various mods, I've asembled my dyno graphs over various stages of build and present them here.
Hopefully this gives you an idea of what to expect.Mike, thank you so much for putting together that progression of mods and charts, it is suitable for framing and I would humbly suggest to Jerry to consider using some or all of your presentation in his web site because it is not only fantastic but very easy to understand and make comparisons.

If when I put my car on the dyno I get close to the 400/400 mark I will be thrilled (I have a couple of little mods) also I hope very much that when I run I can skip the 13's altogether, prior to T-Kit I could run 14.5 in the Fla heat all day long. It may not happen but that is what I'm hoping for.....Thanks Mike.:D

[MikesMerc]

Mike, thank you so much for putting together that progression of mods and charts, it is suitable for framing and I would humbly suggest to Jerry to consider using some or all of your presentation in his web site because it is not only fantastic but very easy to understand and make comparisons.


You are welcome! As far as I'm concerned Jerry has my permission to use these whenever and however he would like to.

I like them as a build up reference because they are performed on the same Dyno Jet with a consistent procedure. Of course current temperatures, humidity levels, and barametric pressures will effect the results a litte, but they are a good comparision for the most part on what mods and pulley changes will do.

(If you read this, Jerry, feel free to use em if you'd like)

[MikesMerc]

I wish I had a peek, at one of your runs @ Milan.

Well, it really wasn't that inspiring. When the NOS hit a few feet out of the hole, the 570 ft-lbs of torque would just annihilate my old, hard, worn out Nittos. I was already hitting 1.7X 60 foot times without the NOS, and with the NOS the best I could muster was a single 1.92. Every other 60 ft was in the 2.0 to 2.2 range:D Results were in the high 11s.

On the happy side of things, my trap speeds were around 118mph. That means with traction I should be in the low to mid 11s.

New heat cycled Nittos are on the way:)

[juno]

What do you think is sweet?That 500+ hp dyno!

[Jerry Barnes]

Mike,

Thanks for preparing this information. I will definately use it on our website.

Jerry

[martyo]

Mike,

Thanks for preparing this information. I will definately use it on our website.

Jerry

Hey Jerry: I called you out and I didn't see a response from you. From my end there's a case of Diet Mountain Dew at stake. What say you? :D

The call out is here (post #45):

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17420&page=3&pp=15

[Jerry Barnes]

Guys and Gals,

I am sorry for not updating our website. Ever since we started working on this project it has been very hectic with all of the conversation on the web, the races we attend, the development we are doing, the meetings to set up events. No excuse, I should have updated the web a long time ago and yes the data looks very weird! We have not had the luxury of taking Trilogy #1 through various stages of development and recorded gains in performance. Myself and lidio will do a better job in the future.

Mike's graphs are a good representation of a progression of mods that most people follow to a point where they are satisfied with the performance level they want to achieve. Mike is very good at keeping track of his mods and there benefits. Great Job Mike, As Usual! We have done several things to record and present data in the future, let me cover some of them with you :

1. We have asked Lidio for a electronic file of our Dyno runs on all changes.
2. We have purchased a weather station for our trailer to record each track event with temp., humidity, etc., etc.
3. We have installed a laptop computer in the trailer to record EVERYTHING at the track.
4. We will update our web site with all of the data within a week of the event to show customers our results and what went well and what didn't go well.
5. As far as best results posted, We try to pick a good temp. and humidity to perform our tests. Usually around 70-72 degress with low humidity.

Obviously, conditions will vary based on your location. We do not spend time setting up IDEAL conditions to do our test. We try to pick a good day, drive the car to Lidio's, strap it on and away we go. Not real scientific, and maybe we should be in the future.

In terms of everyone's discussion about High 12's vs low 13's for you bone stock cars with just a Trilogy kit o them. I was only able to achieve low 13's with stock tires. Some of my customers using, driving Trilogy #1, got into the high 12's on stock tires. The only thing that helped get into the high 12's with just our supercharger was using Nitto Drag Radials. It was just too much weight to get moving with that kind of power on stock tires. Plain and simple!

This is not a excuse, but we are a small company and our people do a variety of assignments. I think you will see Ms. Fujiwara drag racing the F150 when she is not doing her Human Resource function, I think you will see me washing the cars or picking up trash when I am not working on the long range plan, I think you will see Donna serving drinks and doing registrations when she is not up to her eyeballs in Accounting. So, you folks have pointed out something that I have not paid attention to in years. I will fix it!!!

When I look at Mike charts they are very representative of the performance of our kits. Since Mike has done such a great job, I will ask to use his charts in our web site.

I will also say the graphs are essential, but taking the cars and trucks to the track are the proof in the pudding. And we are making a real effort to go to every drag racing, and soon road racing, event we can attend.

Thanks everyone for pointing out my oversight, and thanks for not turning this into a torque curve that runs right up my wazoo.

I will get Renata to post Mike's graphs a.s.a.p.

Thanks

Jerry

[Bradley G]

That's great news! Jerry!

As long as it means, it won't detract you guys from your current pace, of racing and entertaining us!

[Jerry Barnes]

Hey Jerry: I called you out and I didn't see a response from you. From my end there's a case of Diet Mountain Dew at stake. What say you? :D

The call out is here (post #45):

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17420&page=3&pp=15

Martyo,

You know that I am shy and introvert. And these types of challenges push me outside of my confort zone. And confrontation is not easy for me to deal with, given I am a wall flower.

But, you better strap on the biggest, hairiest set of BA!!$ you got, cause I am going to enjoy drinking your Mountain Dew!!!!!!

HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!

Mr. Walter Mitty Jr.(Jerry Barnes)

[martyo]

But, you better strap on the biggest, hairiest set of BA!!$ you got, cause I am going to enjoy drinking your Mountain Dew!!!!!!

{applying Rogaine to BA!!$} It's on! :D

To paraphrase the song: See you in November! :D

[BillyGman]

[QUOTE=martyo
To paraphrase the song: See you in November! :D[/QUOTE]Hmmmm, I thought it was..."See you, in SEPTEMBER".....

[Bradley G]

Is this any indication how bad Marty will lose?:D
[QUOTE=martyo
To paraphrase the song: See you in November! :DHmmmm, I thought it was..."See you, in SEPTEMBER".....[/QUOTE]

[MikesMerc]

Mike's graphs are a good representation of a progression of mods that most people follow to a point where they are satisfied with the performance level they want to achieve. Mike is very good at keeping track of his mods and there benefits.

When I look at Mike charts they are very representative of the performance of our kits. Since Mike has done such a great job, I will ask to use his charts in our web site.

I will also say the graphs are essential, but taking the cars and trucks to the track are the proof in the pudding. And we are making a real effort to go to every drag racing, and soon road racing, event we can attend.

I will get Renata to post Mike's graphs a.s.a.p.




Jerry, I also have time slips that correspond to each of the power levels on those dyno sheets. Perhaps you'd also like some of that data as well.

Give me a call and we can discuss what you'd ike to have data wise.

Also, on another note, if I can get a trailer set up to go in time, I'll be joining the fun in Atlanta:)

[Jerry Barnes]

Jerry, I also have time slips that correspond to each of the power levels on those dyno sheets. Perhaps you'd also like some of that data as well.

Give me a call and we can discuss what you'd ike to have data wise.

Also, on another note, if I can get a trailer set up to go in time, I'll be joining the fun in Atlanta:)

Mike,

That sounds great! Please let me know how I can get copies.

Thanks