Conquered the Mighty Z06 Vette

[BillyGman]

Many of us have stories to tell, or as the description of this forum puts it, "adventures" to tell of. I also think that many of us here who own Marauders have had a little fun on the open road, or on that straight, wide open, and empty stretch of highway where somebody challenged us with their car, and we went to WOT mode to see how our car would fare against theirs.

It isn't something that happens on a daily basis, nor even neccessarily on a weekly basis either, but sooner or later, it happens to many of us. And out of the resulting handfull of "kill" stories that we rack up over the months and years, there's that one car that we beat, which we veiw as the feather in our cap so to speak. The fastest one that we were able to honestly place in the "kill" catagory.

Very often, it's a car that we don't get to see very often on the street, nor even at the track, and it's one that we view as being no slouch, and one that we always hoped that we could beat. For you guys who have N/A Marauders, it might be that guy who lives across town, or even down the street who owns that 96 Impala SS, or that Crown Vic P.I., or even that guy with that 300c. Or it may be that Nissan 350Z that you always see on the highway.

For you other supercharged Marauder owners, it might be that Ford Lightning that you see once in awhile, but never when the traffic is scarce, or that Trans Am WS6. For me, it's the elusive Z06 Vette. I've only seen two of them in my homestate. One of them is blue, And there was heavy traffic when I saw it, so no dice. The other, was a red one (either an 01, or 02) and I just saw it three hours ago :D .

I was traveling on a major highway at 1:00 am, and once I got away from the city limits, the traffic thinned out to almost nothing, and what passes by me but a red Z06. I was just about to take the next exit in order to get to my destination, but nothing doing. At that point I had simply decided that I was going to be a little later arriving at my intended destination than I had originally planned.;) I figured, that with the perfect road conditions, and barely any traffic at all, not to mention a Z06 Vette barely 100 feet in front of me, I might not ever get this chance again.

So I hit my signal to get into the left lane (his lane) and I get behind him, but still being curtious, and giving him room. He then politely hits his signal and moves over into the righthand lane. I go by him slowly at 70 MPH, and as I'm passing him, I open it up enough to let him hear those Kooks headers growl, so that he knows that I'm not a cop, but not hard enough to cause the transmission to downshift. Just enough to get into the boost a little (with the boost gauge registering 4 or 5 PSI).

I stay on it like that until I go by the Z06, and to get about 100 feet in front, and then I back off, and just slow down a bit to hold a 70 MPH cruise. Well, it worked perfectly. He took the bait, as I saw his car get back into the lefthand lane, and speed up a little bit in order to get right behind me. I kept it at 70 MPH and stayed in the lefthand lane for about a quartermile making him play follow the leader until we got into a nice wide open straight in the highway with nobody out in front. And then I hit my signal again, and moved over, but as I did, I clicked off the O/D button, waited a second to feel the transmission downshift to 3rd gear, and I hit the gas hard for a split second, and got right back off to stay at a cruise in the right lane at about 70 MPH just to taunt him, and to let him know this is it. :)

I allow him to get right up along side of me, and we both look at eachother, and I motion to him to try and go by me by pointing out in front of my car with a big grin on my face, and he does the same thing to me. I hit half throttle just to let him hear my exhaust, while at the same time gaining about 5 feet on him, and then I see the front of his car lift up indicating that he was on the go pedal full tilt as he closed my 5 foot lead to about two feet, and then I opened up that 4.6L supercharged monster!!!!

My car slowly began walking away from his, and once the transmission upsifted, it was clealry over for the mighty Z06. About 7 or 8 seconds elapsed from the time we both hit WOT to the time He gave up, and at that time I had about a 2 car length lead on him and still walking away when he gave up. Not bad for having 4.56 gears in the rear, uh? I was very pleased.This is my best "Kill" story because I've always wanted to go up against a factory stock Z06 since it's been one of the fastest cars made for under $60K, and is also the top dog in Chevy's high performance arsenal. We also went at it with him right behind me in the same lane as me, and trying to keep up with me, and he clearly couldn't, although it was definately close enough to be interesting.

[Dan]

Hey Bill,

Did this road have an 8 or a 15 in its name? I am curious because I would like to place the location of your adventure.

Congratulations, by the way. That was an impressive kill. I am sure that the guy will never look at Marauders the same way again.

Dan

[Zack]

I raced a a Z06 once.
Had him up to about 125 and then he started to pull on me.
They are ultimately faster in the high up speeds, but a Marauder is like a rolling brick. He gave me the thumbs way up.

[Tallboy]

Hey Bill,

Did this road have an 8 or a 15 in its name? I am curious because I would like to place the location of your adventure.

Congratulations, by the way. That was an impressive kill. I am sure that the guy will never look at Marauders the same way again.

Dan

I know Billy's stomping grounds quite well. My guess is it was a highway the the number 8 in it's name. I think I even know the particular stretch of highway. If it is, it's a great place for a late-night WOT romp. My dad used to race on the same streets when he was a kid.

Great job, Billy! I know you've wanted this for a while... :up:

[Marauderman]

Thrilling story Billy--but I am confused about one thing you said---you turned off the O/D button and felt it down shift into 3rd......then after punching it , felt the tranny upshift....this is where I am confused....did you manually return the O/D button on ....cause once off in 3rd, it stays there--right --untill you put in back in O/D mode....or did I missunderstand something---but a cool situation just the same---thanks----Tom

[HwyCruiser]

Vettes are much more tasty when taking them at a stoplight. Even better when you've got a couple of passengers in the car to witness the other driver's reaction. :D

[Dan]

Tom,

My guess is that he turned off the OD (first downshift) then punched it (second downshift to 2nd gear if he was going slow enough) then, after going a bit in 2nd the car would shift back into 3rd somewhere in the upper double digits.

That's my guess. ???

Tallboy, how is it that you are so familiar with our beloved Rt. 8? Did you grow up in this area? If you're from CT this fellow Yankee wants to know. :) :up:

Dan

[Blackened300a]

In a Word, IMPRESSIVE!

Slaying a Z06 in a 4100lb sedan is absolutely incredible!
Great Kill!

[BillyGman]

Okay, lets see if I can address all of your questions here my Marauder bruthas...... I do appreciate your interest in that story about my "adventure" last night. First, Dan, I'd rather not say what highway this was on incase there happens to be a self-righteous type person who happens to be a cop in our homestate who lurks on here, and who is on some type of mission to hand out more tickets than any of his fellow officers do.


No, that isn't in any way a dig against cops on my part, because I know that many cops aren't like that at all, and I've had more than one family member on the force. But unfortunately there are some cops like that, and call me paranoid, but I wouldn't put it past them. Yes, the incident is over with, and that isn't something that I do all the time. But I've had certain cops literally ride my back bumper so closely, that they were almost touching it, in an effort to get me to speed late at night, just so they could give me a ticket. So I'm not going to get specific as to where this was, just as I won't be specific as to how fast we were both traveling.

As to the comment about taking Vettes from a traffic light, I agree, because I just did that too about one month ago, and I came out of that one victorious also. But that wasn't a Z06 Vette like this one was.

[Mad4Macs]

Funny 'bout the 'Vette story, I ran into one yesterday. Mine isn't a kill story, but it made me happy.
My car was dirty and I went off to wash it. On the way, I saw an '05 'Vette, and as I passed him, I gave it a part-throttle blip.
Mind you, I'm stock and not looking to get creamed, I just admire the new 'Vettes as much as the next performance car, so it was more of a "salute".
Anyway, he falls in behind me at the light, so I thought "What the heck, tag the throttle and have some fun". I got a chirp off the line, and thank Ford in Heaven, the car chirped when she hit 2nd and visibly slid sideways. OK, maybe just a inch or two, but I think he saw it :D
I thought nothing of it, and as I pulled into the car wash, the 'Vette drove on by.
Or so I thought.
Turns out, the gentleman pulls in and starts talking up Marauders! He knew that there were several supercharged MM's in the Detroit area, and seemed genuinely impressed by what the owners had done with them. I let him know, in no uncertain terms, that I love the new 'Vettes, and that if he'd wanted to, he'd have blown my doors off, but it made for a good talk.
Anyways, like I said, it was nice talking to a "car guy" that appreciated my ride.

[Glenn]

Billy:

Great story - most interesting. How humiliating it must be for a Vette owner to lose to a 4500# sedan (i.e. weight of driver, car, 1/2 tank of gas, spare and some tools). One day I will realize my dream of a S/C MM. Keep the stories coming in.

Glenn

[younga1]

Billy,

Love the story!!!! However, this is why I am keeping the stock gears.

Love killing the 350Z machine w/o the spend of the SC.

Keep us posted on future kills as well. BTW - Seen the videos, you got stock in BFG?


Many of us have stories to tell, or as the description of this forum puts it, "adventures" to tell of. I also think that many of us here who own Marauders have had a little fun on the open road, or on that straight, wide open, and empty stretch of highway where somebody challenged us with their car, and we went to WOT mode to see how our car would fare against theirs.

It isn't something that happens on a daily basis, nor even neccessarily on a weekly basis either, but sooner or later, it happens to many of us. And out of the resulting handfull of "kill" stories that we rack up over the months and years, there's that one car that we beat, which we veiw as the feather in our cap so to speak. The fastest one that we were able to honestly place in the "kill" catagory.

Very often, it's a car that we don't get to see very often on the street, nor even at the track, and it's one that we view as being no slouch, and one that we always hoped that we could beat. For you guys who have N/A Marauders, it might be that guy who lives across town, or even down the street who owns that 96 Impala SS, or that Crown Vic P.I., or even that guy with that 300c. Or it may be that Nissan 350Z that you always see on the highway.

For you other supercharged Marauder owners, it might be that Ford Lightning that you see once in awhile, but never when the traffic is scarce, or that Trans Am WS6. For me, it's the elusive Z06 Vette. I've only seen two of them in my homestate. One of them is blue, And there was heavy traffic when I saw it, so no dice. The other, was a red one (either an 01, or 02) and I just saw it three hours ago :D .

I was traveling on a major highway at 1:00 am, and once I got away from the city limits, the traffic thinned out to almost nothing, and what passes by me but a red Z06. I was just about to take the next exit in order to get to my destination, but nothing doing. At that point I had simply decided that I was going to be a little later arriving at my intended destination than I had originally planned.;) I figured, that with the perfect road conditions, and barely any traffic at all, not to mention a Z06 Vette barely 100 feet in front of me, I might not ever get this chance again.

So I hit my signal to get into the left lane (his lane) and I get behind him, but still being curtious, and giving him room. He then politely hits his signal and moves over into the righthand lane. I go by him slowly at 70 MPH, and as I'm passing him, I open it up enough to let him hear those Kooks headers growl, so that he knows that I'm not a cop, but not hard enough to cause the transmission to downshift. Just enough to get into the boost a little (with the boost gauge registering 4 or 5 PSI).

I stay on it like that until I go by the Z06, and to get about 100 feet in front, and then I back off, and just slow down a bit to hold a 70 MPH cruise. Well, it worked perfectly. He took the bait, as I saw his car get back into the lefthand lane, and speed up a little bit in order to get right behind me. I kept it at 70 MPH and stayed in the lefthand lane for about a quartermile making him play follow the leader until we got into a nice wide open straight in the highway with nobody out in front. And then I hit my signal again, and moved over, but as I did, I clicked off the O/D button, waited a second to feel the transmission downshift to 3rd gear, and I hit the gas hard for a split second, and got right back off to stay at a cruise in the right lane at about 70 MPH just to taunt him, and to let him know this is it. :)

I allow him to get right up along side of me, and we both look at eachother, and I motion to him to try and go by me by pointing out in front of my car with a big grin on my face, and he does the same thing to me. I hit half throttle just to let him hear my exhaust, while at the same time gaining about 5 feet on him, and then I see the front of his car lift up indicating that he was on the go pedal full tilt as he closed my 5 foot lead to about two feet, and then I opened up that 4.6L supercharged monster!!!!

My car slowly began walking away from his, and once the transmission upsifted, it was clealry over for the mighty Z06. About 7 or 8 seconds elapsed from the time we both hit WOT to the time He gave up, and at that time I had about a 2 car length lead on him and still walking away when he gave up. Not bad for having 4.56 gears in the rear, uh? I was very pleased.This is my best "Kill" story because I've always wanted to go up against a factory stock Z06 since it's been one of the fastest cars made for under $60K, and is also the top dog in Chevy's high performance arsenal. We also went at it with him right behind me in the same lane as me, and trying to keep up with me, and he clearly couldn't, although it was definately close enough to be interesting.

[BillyGman]

Billy,

Love the story!!!! However, this is why I am keeping the stock gears. Yeah, the 4.56's are a trade-off. From 0-80 MPH, nobody keeps up with me on the street, unless they have two power adders, or atleast 70 cubic inches more under the hood and one power adder, and quite frankly, I haven't yet run into anyone with a combo like that on the street. it's not that there isn't ever a car like that driven on the street, but that in most cases, carslike that are NOT daily drivers like mine is, so it's rare that you'll see them.

I raced John (aka "Jet") at the dragstrip a few times, and even though his Marauder is puting down 60 more HP to the wheels than mine is, and 3 LBS of boost more, he couldn't keep up with me from 0-80 MPH.

He beat me by a half car length, but he didn't even catch up to me until the 1,000' mark. (those were three great races BTW!). But on the open & empty highway, I do lose something over 100 MPH with the 4.56's. In the quartermile, the 4.56's are the best, and you see what my trap speeds are in my signature below, but I guess you cannot have it all. There are always trade-offs.

I might very well have stayed with the 3,55's had I known that I was going to get the Trilogy supercharger. But that wasn't my original plan for this car, and the 3.55 gears with this car being Naturally aspirated was just unbearable for me since it was a slug off the line with that combo. So that's why I had originally gone with the 4.56's.

- Seen the videos, you got stock in BFG?I guess I should have!

[BillyGman]

Billy:

Great story - most interesting. How humiliating it must be for a Vette owner to lose to a 4500# sedan GlennLOL....yeah Glenn, they come at you so confident that their car will make light work of yours. And they end up getting their butt handed to them. When these Marauders are S/Ced, they're so stealth because of their sheer size and weight, that they become one of the most enjoyable cars to drive on the street. Since I supercharged this car 17 months ago, I've had more fun driving it on the street than any other that I've ever owned, including the Vette that I used to have. And most of that is merely because how surprised other car enthusiasts are, when they get flast out beaten by a supercharged Marauder.

You just have to temper your "fun" with some personal rules that you set for yourself prior to any activity. If for instance, I see someone passing cars in heavy traffic, and driving on the shoulder to get around them, just to catch up to me in order to race, I let them go. And that's happened more than once. Too much traffic, and not enough sense to even be worth it. :rolleyes:

[ADE 1000]

Nice kill Billy. I am particularily impressed that you were able to beat him from a 70mph roll, given your gearing and the aerodynamics of the MM. The Z06 is extremely strong from 70-140mph, I've embarrassed several European sports cars costing over twice as much in these situations. Its still pulling hard at 140, but whats left of my good judgement usually tells me to lift at this point. My Z has a few bolt ons and is very strong for a 2001. In any case, any 2001-2004 Z06 is going to be a formidable opponent in the hands of a skilled driver. From a stop, the Z06 is very hard to launch on street tires. After five years of ownership, I still have not figured it out.

Watch for those LS7 powered 2006 Z06s when they start hitting the streets in the upcoming weeks. It ran an 11.5@127mph in Motor Trend on street tires. :eek:

[BillyGman]

Nice kill Billy. I am particularily impressed that you were able to beat him from a 70mph roll, given your gearing and the aerodynamics of the MM. The Z06 is extremely strong from 70-140mph, I've embarrassed several European sports cars costing over twice as much in these situations. Its still pulling hard at 140, but whats left of my good judgement usually tells me to lift at this point. My Z has a few bolt ons and is very strong for a 2001. In any case, any 2001-2004 Z06 is going to be a formidable opponent in the hands of a skilled driver. From a stop, the Z06 is very hard to launch on street tires. After five years of ownership, I still have not figured it out.

Watch for those LS7 powered 2006 Z06s when they start hitting the streets in the upcoming weeks. It ran an 11.5@127mph in Motor Trend on street tires. :eek:Thanks for your commentary on this. I appreciate that complimentary and honest post coming from a Z06 owner like yourself. I've always been impressed with the LS1/LS2, & especially the LS6 engines that the Vettes have under their hood. I realize that if those engines are supercharged like my Marauder engine is, that those cars would blow my car's doors off. I'm very glad that my car is quick enough to have beaten a Z06 Vette on the highway like that after the owner of such tried twice to keep up with me but clearly couldn't, and also quick enough to have beaten a standard Vette from a traffic light stop (which I could tell had a modified exhaust ).

I fully agree with you that the past Z06 models are formidable foes, and that's why I just had to post this story. :D I also agree with you that the new Z06 that should be coming out within weeks, will definately be faster than my Marauder is!!!!

[John F. Russo]

You're a very good story teller. You can write a novel. You must do a lot of writing. It was an an exciting story.

Have you gotten any tickets for speeding yet? I have had two in last six months and none for the previous year. I'm laying low. My insurance rate has gone up significantly.

[John F. Russo]

I guess I should have!

What rear end gear is Jet using in his car?

[BillyGman]

You're a very good story teller. You can write a novel. You must do a lot of writing. It was an an exciting story. Naw, I'm not that telented as a writer. Thanks for the compliment, but the reason why it sounded exciting is simply because it was exciting when it actually happened, and I was just conveying what actually happened. Ofcourse my enthusiasm does come through my post I guess. It's hard to help. Like I said, IMO Vettes are no slouches, and it gets my adrenaline pumping to have beaten a couple of them with a 4,200 LB tank! Modified or not.

Have you gotten any tickets for speeding yet? I have had two in last six months and none for the previous year. I'm laying low. My insurance rate has gone up significantly.No tickets here. I usually play around in places that I know very well, and therefore I also know where the cops hide and where they don't.

[BillyGman]

What rear end gear is Jet using in his car?4.10's.........

[TechHeavy]

Billy,

Thanks for answering the question I was wondering while reading your telling of the encounter. I was wondering, "Billy has a 'vette, how does he think his S/C Marauder compares to it...?" and then you said, "Since I supercharged this car 17 months ago, I've had more fun driving it on the street than any other that I've ever owned, including the Vette that I used to have."

Then, ADE1000 said, " From a stop, the Z06 is very hard to launch on street tires. After five years of ownership, I still have not figured it out. "

This from ADE1000 seems to make since.... I was confused because I had a car-length, (a Marauder car-length) :) on a Z06 from red-light to red-light here in Grand Rapids on 28th St.... (no secret here in GR, it's where most of the street racers drag). It was only about an 1/8th of a mile, but enough to spook the Z06 driver. He turned right at the next light with no gesture of approval or disapproval at all.

I guess my conclusion is a Z06 in the proper hands can hand it to a SCed Marauder, but only if they are good. Do you concur Billy?

Thanks,
Dave

[BillyGman]

I guess my conclusion is a Z06 in the proper hands can hand it to a SCed Marauder, but only if they are good. Do you concur Billy?

Thanks,
DaveNo way Dave. Not a stock Z06. I'll beat em from a stop light as well as on the highway (like I have). Let's put it this way....both of our cars (mine and the Z06 in question) were traveling fast enough for me to know that he wasn't playing around. He wanted to beat my car bad, but he just couldn't. And he tried twice. I would be more specific, but some people on here get real upset when you're specific about this stuff. That's one of the reasons I've been so vague about exactly how fast we were both going. But as I've previously stated, it began at a 70 MPH roll with the Z06, and lasted about 7 seconds. Figure it out.

It began with our two cars side-by-side, and I had two full car lenghts on him when he gave up. And BTW, if anyone got the jump, it was him since I deliberately waited for him to hit full throttle since I wanted to beat him fair and square if at all. So when I saw the nose of his car lift up and lunge forward, only then did I stomp on it.

And with my 4.56 gears, the highway is certainly NOT my car's strong point. 0-80 MPH is where it shines the best due to the 4.56's. That's why I run 1.6 second 60' times, and 4.9 second 330' times despite only running the standard 9.5 PSI blower pulley. John's car (ie "Jet") didn't catch up to mine in any of the three races we had at the track until well after the 1/8th mile mark despite his car having 12.5 PSI of boost, and 60 more RWHP than mine. And he was running race gas, so I assume it was a race gas tune he was also running that day. I was only running 93 octaner pump gas ( as always). Yeah, I'm quite content with running 400 RWHP and 9.5 PSI of boost thankyou. ;)

[TechHeavy]

And with my 4.56 gears, the highway is certainly NOT my car's strong point. 0-80 MPH is where it shines the best due to the 4.56's.
"K"... gotcha Billy. Thanks for that... :)

I have a better understanding of the nature of our beast now. :D

Dave

[BillyGman]

"K"... gotcha Billy. Thanks for that... :)

I have a better understanding of the nature of our beast now. :D

Dave one more thing Dave..... and you probably already know this, but since some people just aren't getting this, then I'll spell it out....... don't expect to beat any LS1 engine car (ie Vettes, Camaros, or Trans Ams) from a standstill with a S/Ced Marauder UNLESS you're running Drag radials. Your car just won't keep up from 0-40 MPH with standard radial tires on the back wheels. If that's what you run, then you better be satisfied with beating Volkswagon GTI's and Some stock Subaru's, cuz you won't take an LS1, LS2, nor LS6 car off the line with stock radials no matter what gears you have in the rear.

[TechHeavy]

.. don't expect to beat any LS1 engine car (ie Vettes, Camaros, or Trans Ams) from a standstill with a S/Ced Marauder UNLESS you're running Drag radials.
It's true Billy. There is an incredible increase in traction and forward propulsion with the drag radials... (if anyone reading had any doubts, then don't... get them).
I can't wait to get back to the track to update my time slip when my schedule allows! :D :beer:

[Marauderman]

It's true Billy. There is an incredible increase in traction and forward propulsion with the drag radials... (if anyone reading had any doubts, then don't... get them).
I can't wait to get back to the track to update my time slip when my schedule allows! :D :beer:

.......OH yeah--I agree--am going out to eat with the Ms. M in a bit--and those big fat meats will be with me every inch of the way-=---YAHOO!!!--and what he^^^^^^^^^says is soooooooo true........gotta love it.......Tom

[ADE 1000]

No way Dave. Not a stock Z06.


Sorry Billy, I must totally disagree with you here. A great driver in a bone stock Z06 could beat you. And a great driver on drag radials would surely hand it to you. As I mentioned earlier, the Z06 (manual tranny, street tires) is a lot more difficult to drive compared to your Marauder (automatc, drag radials).

There are several who have run 11s in a stock Z06 on street tires, and even more that have run 11s on drag radials. Take a look at this post on the vette forum:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1132866&forum_id=49

Think you could beat these guys?

[BillyGman]

Sorry Billy, I must totally disagree with you here. A great driver in a bone stock Z06 could beat you. And a great driver on drag radials would surely hand it to you. As I mentioned earlier, the Z06 (manual tranny, street tires) is a lot more difficult to drive compared to your Marauder (automatc, drag radials).

There are several who have run 11s in a stock Z06 on street tires, and even more that have run 11s on drag radials. Take a look at this post on the vette forum:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1132866&forum_id=49

Think you could beat these guys?LOL... everyone at the dragstrip likes to claim that their car is "stock" and I laugh when I hear that because the term "stock" is so misused, overused, and abused amongst hi-perf car enthusiasts that it's beyond being funny. For the life of me, I just can't figure out why guys who modify their cars can't ever admit it, and never mention it in the same sentence as they do their ET's.



Even the Vette owner of post #8 in that thread shares my opinion. If you think that those ET #'s are from true STOCK Z06 Vettes, then I think you're too hung up on your car. Please don't get me wrong though.....Like I've previously stated in this thread, I LUV those LS1, LS2, and LS6 engines, and Vettes are no slouches, but come on! Those aren't stock vettes in that list. A CAI and DR's are NOT stock. Look at the top dog in that list . He's claiming an ET of 11.52 seconds!! That's the same as the best time of the new 505HP LS7 equipped Vette has run!!

So why don't you explain to me how a Vette can run the same ET with 100 HP less and being slightly heavier than the new Vette does? Tires alone will NOT make up for a 100 HP deficet. Look at post #3 where the guy who comprised this list states that these are "stockish" Vettes. "Stockish" indeed, but NOT stock. And look in his own post sig what it says...."STOCK". But then it says...." CAI & drag radials". :rolleyes: Why are there so many guys in denial about having MODIFIED cars??? Can it be their egos?



I was talking about stock Vettes here with standard radials, and NOT drag radials. And there are plenty of Vette owners who drive on the streets who do NOT modify their cars at all(just as their are Marauder owners). But just some more food for thought for ya.....there's only one guy on that alleged "stock" list who beat my 60' times, and that's the same guy who claims an 11.52 ET. I wonder what their 330' times are. The 2002-2004 Z06's are pushing 405 HP, but that's at the crank. My car is 400 HP at the wheels, therefore it also has about 75 HP more at the crank than actual STOCK Z06's do. Yes, the Z06's are a lot lighter than a Marauder is, but they don't have 4.56 gears either.


You have a Vette yes, but have you ever raced any S/Ced Marauders with it? I have run two different Vettes with MY S/Ced Marauder, one of them being a Z06 Vette. And having beat them both (the Z06 I beat twice) I can say for certain that neither one of them will run in the 11's. the claim of the ET's on that list are that they are from "stock" Vettes, but what about track temperatures, and type of gasoline, and the possibility of race gas tunes? If that guy with thew 11.52 ET ran on the track in 35 degree temperatures, then that might explain it, and how many times on the STREET will you see a Z06 on a 35 degree day?

And you don't think that there are a number of guys at the track running a chip with a race gas engine tune and 100+ octane gas in their tank calling their cars "stock"? If not, then you haven't been to the race track that much. Atleast NOT to race. But hey, you're certainly entitled to your opinion even though I don't share it, and either way, I think you have one cool car. I wish I had that engine under the hood of my Marauder. I'd S/C it, and be in the 10's!!! Those LS6 engines sound so cool with aftermarket exhausts. I think they sound more muscular than any Marauder engine does, and that's due to the greater displacement. But then again, for the $15K extra it costed for a new 2002-2004 Z06 (I mean 15K over and above what it was for a new Marauder) the engine under the hood should sound and perform better.

[ADE 1000]

LOL... everyone at the dragstrip likes to claim that their car is "stock" and I laugh when I hear that because the term "stock" is so misused, overused, and abused amongst hi-perf car enthusiasts that it's beyond being funny. For the life of me, I just can't figure out why guys who modify their cars can't ever admit it, and never mention it in the same sentence as they do their ET's.



Even the Vette owner of post #8 in that thread shares my opinion. If you think that those ET #'s are from true STOCK Z06 Vettes, then I think you're too hung up on your car. Please don't get me wrong though.....Like I've previously stated in this thread, I LUV those LS1, LS2, and LS6 engines, and Vettes are no slouches, but come on! Those aren't stock vettes in that list. A CAI and DR's are NOT stock. Look at the top dog in that list . He's claiming an ET of 11.52 seconds!! That's the same as the best time of the new 505HP LS7 equipped Vette has run!!

So why don't you explain to me how a Vette can run the same ET with 100 HP less and being slightly heavier than the new Vette does? Tires alone will NOT make up for a 100 HP deficet. Look at post #3 where the guy who comprised this list states that these are "stockish" Vettes. "Stockish" indeed, but NOT stock. And look in his own post sig what it says...."STOCK". But then it says...." CAI & drag radials". :rolleyes: Why are there so many guys in denial about having MODIFIED cars??? Can it be their egos?



I was talking about stock Vettes here with standard radials, and NOT drag radials. And there are plenty of Vette owners who drive on the streets who do NOT modify their cars at all(just as their are Marauder owners). But just some more food for thought for ya.....there's only one guy on that alleged "stock" list who beat my 60' times, and that's the same guy who claims an 11.52 ET. I wonder what their 330' times are. The 2002-2004 Z06's are pushing 405 HP, but that's at the crank. My car is 400 HP at the wheels, therefore it also has about 75 HP more at the crank than actual STOCK Z06's do. Yes, the Z06's are a lot lighter than a Marauder is, but they don't have 4.56 gears either.


You have a Vette yes, but have you ever raced any S/Ced Marauders with it? I have run two different Vettes with MY S/Ced Marauder, one of them being a Z06 Vette. And having beat them both (the Z06 I beat twice) I can say for certain that neither one of them will run in the 11's. the claim of the ET's on that list are that they are from "stock" Vettes, but what about track temperatures, and type of gasoline, and the possibility of race gas tunes? If that guy with thew 11.52 ET ran on the track in 35 degree temperatures, then that might explain it, and how many times on the STREET will you see a Z06 on a 35 degree day?

And you don't think that there are a number of guys at the track running a chip with a race gas engine tune and 100+ octane gas in their tank calling their cars "stock"? If not, then you haven't been to the race track that much. Atleast NOT to race. But hey, you're certainly entitled to your opinion even though I don't share it, and either way, I think you have one cool car. I wish I had that engine under the hood of my Marauder. I'd S/C it, and be in the 10's!!! Those LS6 engines sound so cool with aftermarket exhausts. I think they sound more muscular than any Marauder engine does, and that's due to the greater displacement. But then again, for the $15K extra it costed for a new 2002-2004 Z06 (I mean 15K over and above what it was for a new Marauder) the engine under the hood should sound and perform better.

Please Billy, don't insult my intelligence. I would not have posted that list if there was no validity to it. The fact that you are implying that all of these guys are lying in amusing nonetheless. I've been on the vetteforum for a long time and in the Z06 community ever since the car made its debut over 5 years ago. Most of these members, especially Ranger, are very well respected and have repeated these times over and over again. And they have put up similiar numbers with different cars, at different tracks. The validity of these times has been questioned by many and the subject has been disected in vette circles over the years. And only one conclusion can be made: a bone stock 2002-2004 Z06 can run 11s in the right hands.

Comparisons to the new Z06 are irrelevant at this time, as they have just hit the street. You are comparing real drivers times to magazine times. Just wait until someone like Ranger gets a hold of one, he just might run 10s.

You raced one Z06 and won. An experiment with a sample size of one is pretty inconclusive. I give you credit for the win, but to say with conviction that you can kill stock Z06s at will is :bs: at this point.

[BillyGman]

[QUOTE=ADE 1000
You raced one Z06 and won. An experiment with a sample size of one is pretty inconclusive. I give you credit for the win, but to say with conviction that you can kill stock Z06s at will is :bs: at this point.[/QUOTE]
And you haven't yet raced any supercharged Marauders with your Z06, right? So who's talking trash here? BTW, what do your timeslips of your Z06 say? You have taken it to the track, right???? You are talking about drivers, and I'm comparing cars. If these great and mighty racers that you know can get STOCK Z06's in the 11's CONSISTENTLY on pump gas (which I still question since a CAI & DR's are NOT stock :rolleyes: ) then who's to say that these so called great racers wouldn't be able to get my Marauder well into the 11's???? After all, I'm a novice at the track. In fact, I haven't even brake torqued my car to obtain any of my ET's. Either way, it looks to me like most of the cars on that list have modified intakes as well as drag radials. Sorry, but that just is NOT STOCK. And my point was, that IF they consider those things to be STOCK, then I'm sure that many of them also consider race gas and race gas engine tunes to be "STOCK" also, since you're not bolting anything on the car to have them. But even though those things aren't bolt-ons, they do add HP and TQ to the wheels, and they clearly are NOT STOCK. So much for your theories. I think you put too much faith in those who are doing the impossible, or appear to be. A lot of racers are on big ego trips, and they cannot be honest about their accomplishments if their life depended on it. that's what I've learned at the track from my own experience.

[MikesMerc]

a bone stock 2002-2004 Z06 can run 11s in the right hands.


This is absolutely true. I've seen it done. Stock tires and all. The vette club up here in Detroit has a few folks that have run 11s BONE STOCK in thier Z06s.



Comparisons to the new Z06 are irrelevant at this time, as they have just hit the street. You are comparing real drivers times to magazine times.

I'd have to agree with this as well. Mag times don't mean squat.


Hats of fto you Billy for smokin a Z06!! But, by the same token, I wouldn't make the off handed claim that you can lay waste to all stock Z06s until you are DEEP into the 11s with your own car. Cause that is what it would take.

[BillyGman]

Hats of fto you Billy for smokin a Z06!! But, by the same token, I wouldn't make the off handed claim that you can lay waste to all stock Z06s until you are DEEP into the 11s with your own car. Cause that is what it would take. It's true that I've only run up against one Z06 Vette so far, so I understand your point although I still am very skeptical of Z06's running in the 11's and being stock. Why aren't stock Cobras doing that then? They're only rated at 15 HP less. Another thing is that a couple other guys with S/Ced Marauders have also claimed to have beaten z06 Vettes, so I'm inclined to atleast suspect that my victory over a Z06 wasn't an isolated one.

And because so many guys run race gas at the track, I cannot help but to suspect 11 second Vettes using that. And that just isn't stock if it's with a race gas tune. So because of that factor, I place more stock in magazine ET's (especially when it's more than one magazine getting the ET in question as it is with the new Z06 Vettes) than I do with internet claims because of how many guys use race gas at the track. Atleast you know that the magazine drivers are using pump gas.

There have even been many guys on this board who have posted their ET's, and have NOT come out and admitted that their accomplishments were with the use of 100+ octane gas until they're questioned about it. And the same goes with dyno numbers on here. So many S/Ced guys obtain them with race gas engine tunes, and don't bother to point that out to people unless they're questioned about it. And that's insincere. But that isn't confined to this board. It's all obver the net including on the vette boards.

So how do you or I know that those 11 second ET's obtained with the Vettes aren't with the use of race gas? Especially when these so called great drivers are doing so much better than your average Joe is at the track. I've never used race gas in my car at the track, nor on the dyno, nor on the street, but I've learned through my experiences at the track that I'm among a minority when it comes to that.

MANY guys use race gas, and race gas tunes on the dyno, and at the track. I'm sure that you're one of them Mike. Are you not? In fact, it was only after i raced John (aka "Jet") three times at the track that I then learned that he was using race gas with a race gas engine tune. At most dragstrips this is just par for the course since they sell it right there at the track. but using 100+ octane gas is NOT running stock. Particularly with an engine tune that takes full advantage of the higher octane. And of Z06 drivers are doing that, then that just is NOT stock, just as them running CAI's and drag radials is NOT stock.

[ADE 1000]

And you haven't yet raced any supercharged Marauders with your Z06, right? So who's talking trash here? BTW, what do your timeslips of your Z06 say? You have taken it to the track, right???? You are talking about drivers, and I'm comparing cars. If these great and mighty racers that you know can get STOCK Z06's in the 11's CONSISTENTLY on pump gas (which I still question since a CAI & DR's are NOT stock :rolleyes: ) then who's to say that these so called great racers wouldn't be able to get my Marauder well into the 11's???? After all, I'm a novice at the track. In fact, I haven't even brake torqued my car to obtain any of my ET's. Either way, it looks to me like most of the cars on that list have modified intakes as well as drag radials. Sorry, but that just is NOT STOCK. And my point was, that IF they consider those things to be STOCK, then I'm sure that many of them also consider race gas and race gas engine tunes to be "STOCK" also, since you're not bolting anything on the car to have them. But even though those things aren't bolt-ons, they do add HP and TQ to the wheels, and they clearly are NOT STOCK. So much for your theories. I think you put too much faith in those who are doing the impossible, or appear to be. A lot of racers are on big ego trips, and they cannot be honest about their accomplishments if their life depended on it. that's what I've learned at the track from my own experience.

I am not sure why you continue to blather about race gas and what defines a bone stock automobile. We all know what "BONE STOCK" means. A CAI, drag radials, race gas, new tune, etc.. are all NOT bone stock. As I said earlier, a stock 2002-2004 Z06 can run 11s BONE STOCK and it has been proven over and over again. If you choose to ignore this fact, thats your prerogative. But I suggest that you do a little more research before calling all these people liars.

What my Z06 runs and whether or not I have raced a supercharged MM is irrelevant. My Z06 is not stock and supercharged MMs come in a variety of different flavors. You are straying from the topic. You made the bold claim that a bone stock Z06 had no chance of beating your MM, and once again I will say that is :bs: . You simply have no evidence to back up that statement.

The bottom line: Regardless of what you believe, a stock Z06 and your car are close in performance through the 1/4 mile. And at higher speeds the advantages of the Z06 become much greater. A race between one and your MM would clearly be a toss up.

[ADE 1000]

But, by the same token, I wouldn't make the off handed claim that you can lay waste to all stock Z06s until you are DEEP into the 11s with your own car. Cause that is what it would take.

My point exactly.

[Rkammer]

The argument about whether the Z06 (2001-2005) will run 11 second 1/4 miles will never be settled in absolute terms. However, I'll add my personal experiences to the fire by stating that I have witnessed and participated in numerous races with the Z06 with my Grand National. My car is currently a high 11 car and usually turns at least low, low 12s at our local track. I've also witnessed numerous runs made by Z06s. I have never witnessed a Z06 "THAT I KNEW TO BE BONE STOCK" turn a time below about 12.50! I won't embellish this statement any further. I've just never seen it happen. Show me an 11 second Z06 and I'll show you a modified Z06. Period. :D

[BillyGman]

. Show me an 11 second Z06 and I'll show you a modified Z06. Period. :D Yep, my thoughts too.

[BillyGman]

I am not sure why you continue to blather about race gas and what defines a bone stock automobile. We all know what "BONE STOCK" means. A CAI, drag radials, race gas, new tune, etc.. are all NOT bone stock. . Well then apparently you haven't looked very closely at that list of Z06 ET's that you've provided a link to, because it just so happens that many of those Z06's on that list clearly state that they have drag radials, as well as CAI's. And you've chosen to completely side-step the possibility of the use of race gas that MANY people at the track use be they Z06 drivers, or not.

I cannot prove that none of them get into the 11's consistently, just as you cannot prove that they do. If you think that some internet ET list is some type of proof that they do get into the 11's consistently, and that all of them that do or even most of them that do are really stock, then you're puting a whoe lot of trust in internet claims. But I'm going by my brief experience up against one of them, as well as experience up against the standard model Vette, and what other owners of S/Ced Marauders have shared with me concerning their victories over Z06 Vettes. But apparently you cannot draw from any experience (be it brief or extensive) with your car going up against any S/Ced Marauder at any level. So again I ask you...who's the one talking junk???

You've never been in my Marauder nor seen it run at the track. I'll agree with you that a race between my car and a STOCK Z06 will always be close, and I've never stated otherwise. But I've also had a number of other close runs with many types of cars and have always come out on top. I raced my co-worker with his modified LS1 equipped Camaro SS three times, and every time was close, but every time I beat him just like the other two Camaro SS cars I beat several times. If you want to disagree with me, that's okay. And I'll respect your right to your opinion. But your precious ET list means diddley to me, and I don't believe those guys' cars are stock, and some of them state that they are NOT stock right in that list.:rolleyes:

Below are the top ten entries on that Z06 ET list that you've provided a link to, and all of those top ten are either running drag radials, or a CAI, and many of them are running both. So much for being "stock". There are three or four later on in that list that are claiming "stock" but if you were ever at the track in the staging lanes waiting to race your car, then you would've been able to relate to my statements about how many racers will swear to you that their cars are "stock" and later on you find out that they are NOT. But since you obviously cannot relate to that, I was attempting to share with you how the racing culture at the dragstrip is from a PARTICIPANT's point of view. But you didn't get that either since it might mean that your precious Z06 isn't really quite as fast as you want to think that it is. :eek: ....

and BTW let me repeat that you've previously stated that a 2002-2004 Z06 with drag radials will destroy my car off the line, however only one 60' time in your precious ET list below is better than mine are. Again, so much for your theories. Who's talking trash??? Oh BTW, you might also want to keep in mind that there are a number of customers of the CAI kits for various types of cars who end up getting custom engine tunes for the increased flow and/or increased air density that the CAI kits provide,(I've actually been told by one vendor here that it's recommended that this is done) and that isn't stock either. And do you really believe that they're going to mention that in this ET list below IF they had that done? There are just too many variables to claim that this list is any proof of what real stock Z06's can do "in the right hands"....and the bottom line is atleast most of them (if not all of them) are NOT stock anyway. What's so hard for you to understand that???? I'm sorry if you're in denial about this, but your Z06 will NOT run in the 11's IF it really IS stock ( unless maybe you run it in 35 degree temperatures which BTW is yet another possible variable....so much for internet ET lists).

Ranger------1.64x 60'--11.52x @ 120.21--11/04--CAI/DR ('02)
J-rod--------1.675 60'--11.596 @ 118.53--xx/xx--Zip Tie/DR ('02)
J-Rod--------1.767 60'--11.606 @ 117.95--xx/xx--ZipTie ('02)
Dr Ron-------1.68x 60'--11.62x @ 119.03--10/04--CAI/DR ('03)
Vortech/eb02z061.671 60'-11.656 @ 117.75-10/02--CAI ('02)
Powershifter-1.xxx 60'--11.659 @ xxx.xx--xx/xx---CAI/DR
Dr.Ron-------1.711 60'--11.67x @ 119.3x--10/03--CAI ('03)
BLU BY U ----1.65x 60'--11.694 @ 116.56--12/02--CAI/DR ('02)
Robert56-----1.653 60'--11.711 @ 115.53--06/05--CAI/DR ('02)
Steve Row----1.66x 60'--11.756 @ 116.87--xx/xx-CAI/DR

[ADE 1000]

Show me an 11 second Z06 and I'll show you a modified Z06. Period. :D

And based on your limited experience, you are not qualified to make that statement. Period. :D

[ADE 1000]

I was pointing to the cars on the list that were labeled as bone stock, that run a faster ET than you. Why you make such an effort to bring up the rest of the list is beyond me. As I stated previously, there is a lot of history behind some of these times and it is not simply "some internet list".

As I said earlier, do more research before talking crap. :nono:




I'll agree with you that a race between my car and a STOCK Z06 will always be close, and I've never stated otherwise.



You have stated otherwise and thats entirely the problem.

[Rkammer]

And based on your limited experience, you are not qualified to make that statement. Period. :D
Well, my experience is limited as you say but I am qualified to make the statements I made and will give you some facts to chew on. I've only been drag racing for about 40 years (at the same track) and have seen many stock as well as modified Corvettes including numerous Z06s. I have actual timeslips where I was paired with Z06s (I think I have 5 or 6 that I raced personally) and the fastest one went 11.70 @ 117. That car is known to me and has been reprogrammed, has a cold air intake, drag radials, and a higher ratio rear end. He is also an experienced drag racer and the fastest his car went before he modified it was 12.40s. The other 4 or 5 Z06s I raced ranged from the mid 12s to the low 13s. Don't know how stock or non-stock they were.

Now that I've shared my limited experience with you, tell us about yours. :rolleyes: And try, if you can, to be factual.

[MarauderMark]

I have also ran a beautiful orange vette(it was not a viper clone) at the light and right away got 2 car lengths on him but i only ran him maybe/about a 1/4 mile and holding him at bay until i stopped and he wouldn't pass me until he turned off at the next light and wouldn't even look over:dunno:. whether or not it was stock i dont know , i dont care , we raced and as far as i'm concerned i won..This was my 2nd claim to fame win over a vette..But Billy is right and yes it is possible to beat a vette.

[ckadiddle]

A Vette will always take me in a race, but I can carry more beer and babes than he can. ;)

[BillyGman]

Now that I've shared my limited experience with you, tell us about yours. :rolleyes: And try, if you can, to be factual. he seems to have problems with facts and with reality. Oh well....he can say what he wants. Probably just another Vette owner who's a sore loser. there seems to be many of them around as MarauderMark has encountered.

[jstevens]

Vette owners. I can't comment as my mother said not to say mean things. They rank up there with other individuals who've over paid for vehicles, well lets just say sub-par.

But I agree, I can carry more beer and babes plus have room for more.

[ADE 1000]

As much as I enjoy being insulted for no apparent reason, I'll refrain from making any further comments in this post.

I'm tempted to return the favor, but it does not appear to be necessary. The comments made by the geniuses in the group speak for themselves.

:burnout:

[RR|Suki]

funny that 02-03 Z06s tested in any magazine or online article I have seen.... are around 12.5 - 12.8... man their drvers must suck :rolleyes:

This is from motor trend and I think they have driven more vettes than anyone here.

Quickest-Accelerating Stock Corvette

Pulled straight from the GM press fleet, we hustled an '02 Z06 six-speed through the quarter to a 12.48 at 114.9 mph (MT, February 2002, page 38).

[BillyGman]

As much as I enjoy being insulted for no apparent reason, I'll refrain from making any further comments in this post.

I'm tempted to return the favor, but it does not appear to be necessary. The comments made by the geniuses in the group speak for themselves.

:burnout:Listen, I really don't want us to become internet enemies from here on out simply because we don't see eye to eye on this.It just isn't worth it. I think that both of us should be on decent terms with eachother, and will be able to consult eachother about Marauder questions in the future. So lets just leave it at that, and put this aside. Fair enough?