The confession box: Admitting your driving sins!

[StevenJ]

Okay, I just dusted this chick and I'm feeling kinda bad about it, here let me explain from the beginning.


I was on my way home from picking up some food from my local deli, jewish food like tuna salad, etc. and I was drving west bound behind some guy in an Excursion. I decided to get around him because he was going kinda slow and there was a guy in an Eclipse in the other lane who couldn't drive. So I just gave my car some gas and got around him. Then out of no where, this Yellow Lancer comes racing by doing 65 mph in a 40mph road, "I'm thinking damn, that must be an Evo!" Then I speed up to catch up with the car and realize it's just some 17 yr old short, skinny black haired cuban girl driving a regular yellow Lancer who's obviously seen too many Vin Diesel movies, cough I hate FnF!

So we get up to this corner, I'm tailing her and it's a really tight 90 degree turn so she's trying to go as fast as possible around this turn to show off whatever and her car's wailing on it's side like it's about to roll over, I'm on her bumper and my car is riding fairly neutral with minimal body roll. I quickly get in the left lane, floor it to show her what a 'real car' can do. I get up to about 65 mph, slow down a bit and she's pissed! She got behind me and started tailgating me thinking I"m trying to start a race but instead I notice that there's a guy in an Impala in the other lane and keep in mind this is a two lane road so instead of racing her..... lol! I pull up right along side the guy in the Impala and match speed with him so that way no one can pass.

He knows that the person behind me is trying to get around so he slows down so the short chick in the Lancer can get around. I wasn't going to allow that, I slowed down with him to 35mph for about twenty feet we were riding side by side with the girl in the wanna be Evo trying to desperately get around us. I mean, she wasn't just ticked off, SHE WAS PISSED! I could see her in my rear view mirror freaking cursing me out, getting up out of her seat ranting and raving, and she had one of thoose tiny little lap dogs in her back seat and that poor thing was going crazzy between trying to jump out of the car's right rear window and getting really scared. So anyway, I sped up because I had to make a right turn up ahead and I was in the left.

The guy in the Impala sped up too but not quickly enough for me to not be able to get around him. When I got up to the stop sign the girl in the Lancer was RIGHT behind me and she made sure to brake late to act like she was going to hit me. I wasn't going to take that BS so I didn't flinch a bit! So I wait till traffic is clear and I make the right turn, kinda fast I didn't quiet floor it but I was giving her a good amount of gas. I could see the chick in the yellow Lancer behind me trying to keep up but it was no use, she was a spec in my rear view window :)! Then the light turns red and I had to stop and she was right behind me. So when the light turned green, I sped off, again, not at full throttle but I gave the car a fair amount of gas, got on the highway, and I was off and she decided not to get on the highway and went straight. After getting home, I was really shock up knowing that what I did was wrong and could of ended very badly. I think that's the last time I'm going to screw around with anyone for a long time but I think it was worth it for atleast memory's sake!

[dwasson]

Son, you must pay penance. Drive to Seattle and back in a Yugo with a broken A/C and two toddlers.

[DEFYANT]

I've seen cases of roadrage end very tragicly. Screwing up your car regardless how slight is not worth it to make a point. Nevermind how you'd feel if you hurt or killed someone.

Aggressive driving is one thing... and I am not one to preach. There is a time and place. Precision driving is impossible when your mad or angry.

[fastblackmerc]

Son, you must pay penance. Drive to Seattle and back in a Yugo with a broken A/C and two toddlers.
I think StevenJ's penance should be 10 Hail Mary's and another mod for his MM!!

[StevenJ]

Lol, I didn't expect her to get that upset but, I forget how easily angered our latino friends get! Defyant is right though. What I did was crossing the line by a good bit and it could of ended fairly badly. I'm going to hold off on the gas pedal for a good while.

[dwasson]

A similar story:

When I lived in St. Louis I was a field service tech with a company car. I was coming from downtown to the Westport area on a four lane surface street (Page Ave.) when a guy in a POS older car tailgated me. I paced a taxi cab doing about 35 MPH in a 45 zone so that he couldn't pass me. The car behind was going from lane to lane trying to find a way around. After three or four miles we caught a red light. I look in my mirror and see the tailgater's door open and this guy get out of his car. I figure that I'm about to get cussed at best so I try to find a gap in traffic so that I can bust the red light and get out of Dodge. Just as the guy reaches my rear bumber and I'm about to run the light another guy runs up and grabs him and starts beating the crap out of him. I watch this for a minute or so, breathing a sigh of relief. The light changes and I drive off, while the tailgater is still getting beaten on the street.

I decided that some people get even more out of control than I do. Maybe it would be best if I stopped trying to make them notice me.

[ckadiddle]

Son, you must pay penance. Drive to Seattle and back in a Yugo with a broken A/C and two toddlers.Oh Man, you are CRUEL!!!

[StevenJ]

Oh Man, you are CRUEL!!!
The worst part is that this all happened on the street that passes by my school. I'm pretty sure I saw that same yellow Lancer parked in my school's parking lot before so if I walk out of school one day to my car to go home and I find my car keyed, I know who to blame. I'm probably just being parinoid though as that hopefully won't happen. I got to college btw, DeVry University.

[MarauderMark]

I've seen cases of roadrage end very tragicly. Screwing up your car regardless how slight is not worth it to make a point. Nevermind how you'd feel if you hurt or killed someone.

Aggressive driving is one thing... and I am not one to preach. There is a time and place. Precision driving is impossible when your mad or angry.
Heh must be a cop.. :D

[Ezbok58a]

Incidents like yours, especially when its a minority driving can get real ugly real quick.

My accident thread for example is one you should read, as Road Rage was partially a factor in that.

Minorites and playing games like that should really be avoided or you'll end up in my situation, or worse as they tend to get very angry whenever something happens to them.

[StevenJ]

Incidents like yours, especially when its a minority driving can get real ugly real quick.

My accident thread for example is one you should read, as Road Rage was partially a factor in that.

Minorites and playing games like that should really be avoided or you'll end up in my situation, or worse as they tend to get very angry whenever something happens to them.
You are right, which is why I'm going to ingore something like that if it happens again.

[Marauderman]

I think the whole thing is freckking cool--!! :banana2: woulda done the same thing--how else they gonna know they gotta do more or have more ------thats why we are where we are with ours---so it took us awhile--thats what I mean--by then --they will have grown up-----oh well----my .02C---Tom

[SergntMac]

I was really shock up knowing that what I did was wrong and could of ended very badly. I think that's the last time I'm going to screw around with anyone for a long time Whew! I was hoping this story had a happy ending.

[HwyCruiser]

I got to college btw, DeVry University.

That explains everything. :rolleyes:










'93 KCMO DeVry EET here. :D

[Petrograde]

The worst part is that this all happened on the street that passes by my school. I'm pretty sure I saw that same yellow Lancer parked in my school's parking lot before so if I walk out of school one day to my car to go home and I find my car keyed, I know who to blame. I'm probably just being parinoid though as that hopefully won't happen. I got to college btw, DeVry University.

hey,.. was she cute? You should've tried to get her number! :P

[MarauderMark]

hey,.. was she cute? You should've tried to get her number! :P
Or give her the tongue.. :P :baaa:

[SergntMac]

Incidents like yours, especially when its a minority driving can get real ugly real quick. My accident thread for example is one you should read, as Road Rage was partially a factor in that. Minorites and playing games like that should really be avoided or you'll end up in my situation, or worse as they tend to get very angry whenever something happens to them. I didn't post anything in your "accident" thread. I didn't feel any need to get that involved in your personal drama, however self-inflicted it is.

I figured that if your own personal bias dosen't get you killed soon, your appetite for the rush of road rage would. Clearly, your rage begins with you, not the other driver. But, I'll tell you here and now, that if I had been the LEO reporting to that scene, and interviewing both you, and the driver of vehicle #1, (the striking vehicle as you tell it in your post), you would have been cited as the cause of that collision.

We call it short braking, we see it everyday, and it always ends up with driver #1 (the vehicle struck) earning an appointment in Traffic Court, where they can explain their reasons for short braking to a judge.

Understanding skid marks and co-efficient of friction, has a lot to to with proving the LEOs case, but we're much better at this today, thank you.

Actually, your "story" as it's posted here, and stated to the cops at the scene, does little to explain what happened. This is Collision 101, and you failed the course.

You were dead wrong, dude, but no one here called you on it. Consider yourself called now. You're a 20 something human who's a racist before your time. You can live the life you want, maybe what you were taught, but your posts here among us, are unacceptable to me.

We here at this Marauder site have collected together for better than 3 years now. 3 years now we have been meeting in person, in back yards, at FFW meets, at vendor shops, anywhere we want, and without one word, one mention, ever, of your style of subliminal racisim.

None of your crap has yet to ooze (as the slime it is) through our posts, and I resent your implications that "minorities" of any nature, sex, race, religion, excetera, are at fault, or, the cause of your personal disappointment in any lane of traffic. You don't own a Marauder anyway, right?

Driving is a skill, dude, much like handwriting, and penmanship. It takes continued practice to build a skill.

You are right, which is why I'm going to ingore something like that if it happens again. And you should. You're not a rolling road-block, you'e not on the highway to measure, or, determine why, or, how, others drive automobiles. Leave that to the cops, K?

When I think of how well your "female, cuban, in the yellow car, with the small dog who surely wanted to escape sure death too, performed against you, despite her innate (natural) tendency to be emotional, and lose control in heated situations, kept her place, pace, space with you, a "man" who thought he controlled it all, including control over an Impala owner/motorist who was at one time in cahoots with you, and another time not...Gawd, it's all quite a bit of thinking here, eh?

Tunafish has nothing to do with Jewish food, or, driving skills, neither does "cuban", or, the widely rumored "hot blooded" Latino personality. Gawd...Both of you are in your 20's and both of you have done great damage to minorities at large on this board. Think and feel what you will, but don't spread that rascist crap among us here.

We know better.

And, we behave better too.

[AzMarauder]

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Think and feel what you will, but don't spread that rascist crap among us here.

We know better.

And, we behave better too.
Gee.... I was only going to ask how putting a Lancer in its place with a MM was anything I'd want to post on the board in the first place.

[Donny Carlson]

...I was on my way home from picking up some food from my local deli, jewish food like tuna salad, etc....
Tuna salad? All those years living in the midwest, and here I thought the most ethnic dish in the school cafeteria was macaroni and cheese.

[Rider90]

SergntMac has hit the nail on the head. There are copius amounts of excellent people in the world, and just because there are a few bad eggs doesn't mean you need to hurt the nice people based on religion, appearance, or anything else for that matter.

Take me for example. I guess. Back in the old days of high school I wore a leather biker jacket, heavy band shirts, jeans, boots, had a 2g ear plug and two other facial peircings, walked down the hallway and took up the hole friggen place for people to walk. I'm 6'2 @ 300 lbs. But I'm a nice guy. I'm in college to be an EMT and to help others. Don't judge a book by it's cover is basically what I'm getting at, I know many great people of various races, religions, etc...

[Donny Carlson]

Take me for example. I guess. Back in the old days of high school I wore a leather biker jacket, heavy band shirts, jeans, boots, had a 2g ear plug and two other facial peircings, walked down the hallway and took up the hole friggen place for people to walk. I'm 6'2 @ 300 lbs. But I'm a nice guy.
By "old days" you mean last year, right?

You threw me with the 2g reference. Excuse my old fartedness, I didn't know ear plugs from butt plugs. Interesting they come in different guages.


Even back in the mesozoic era known as the 70's there were big scary dudes that were best given a wide berth. Only in my part of the country, facial piercings were the result of farming accidents and not something persons willfully paid to have inflicted upon themselves. Biker jackets, check, band shirts, check, jeans, boots, check check. I'm sure some of the guys that scowled their way down the halls frightening the caa-caa out of other students were, indeed, princes in their own right and are likely today 50 year old motivational speakers or Amway salesmen.




Actually, I lie. I did know what butt plugs were.

[StevenJ]

Oh boy where to start, first off I am Jewish and I do love deli food which is predominatly Jewish and I know not all Latinos have that 'rage' that I described just like everyone who drives a Civic isn't trying to be another Vin Diesel. I just decided to have some fun and it got way out of hand. I'm not even 100% sure that person goes to my school. I don't even know if it was a chick, all I know is that, that person definitely had black hair with a pony tail and a small lap dog in the back and was driving a yellow lancer like a lunatic and I was led to believe that it was a girl driving it. I'm sorry if anyone took any offense to my post or what not so please don't consider :banned:ing me yet! Truth is that I have latin friends as well as other Jewish friends and I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was just trying to mess with yet another random speeder and possibly be a bit of a vigilante which was wrong on my part too and I did take it a bit far. Again, sorry if I offended any of you guys out there.

[ridinclean]

Hmm So I guess you never found out if she was hot??:D

[Donny Carlson]

I'm sorry if anyone took any offense to my post or what not so please don't consider :banned:ing me yet! Truth is that I have latin friends as well as other Jewish friends and I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was just trying to mess with yet another random speeder and possibly be a bit of a vigilante which was wrong on my part too and I did take it a bit far. Again, sorry if I offended any of you guys out there.
Eh, F em. You made me laugh hard at the Tuna Salad reference, and I've pissed off my share of latinas (tip: learn how to sleep with one eye open) both inside and outside of cars. Live and learn.

[DEFYANT]

StevenJ, your post#1 is ok. You identify a flaw in your conduct and are making a change. Lose the discrimation (if any) and your well on your way to being a mature adult aka "a man".

EzBok58a, you said "Road Rage was partially a factor". Your thread was pure road rage. And how pissed you got when your rage endded up costing you a damaged car.

I picked up on the racial drizzle in these threads also. :puke: Do not limit yourself to one group. You will miss out on some good friends.

[BillyGman]

. Only in my part of the country, facial piercings were the result of farming accidents .LOLOLOL!!!!! :rofl: Now that's funny!!!

[SergntMac]

I'm sorry if anyone took any offense to my post or what not so please don't consider :banned:ing me yet! Truth is that I have latin friends as well as other Jewish friends and I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was just trying to mess with yet another random speeder and possibly be a bit of a vigilante which was wrong on my part too and I did take it a bit far. Again, sorry if I offended any of you guys out there. Thank you StevenJ, and thank you for the e-mail as well. You're a good man to come back here and work things out. Awareness of your conduct and how it impacts others, is one step closer to maturity.

It's an old old rule of life, and probably an element of religions and faiths world wide. It's true even more today, in light of recent events. Treat others as you want them to treat you, and we end the lesson here.

In my line of work, I supervise 168 employees, trust me it quite a diverse group. Men, women, sworn LEOs and civilian employees, ages 21 through 63, educations from high school through 2 PHds, all races, religions and cultures represented, including the Gay community, and one Impala SS owner (LOL!). To be a good supervisor, I have to be fair and level headed desipte any personal feelings. I have to nuture, praise, reward and discipline, evenly and fairly across many borders. It's quite a challenge at times, especially when someone is trying to bait me, or drag me into a debate across one of those borders, i.e. race, religion, nationally, ect.

None of us are free of bias, we all have preferrences, and would like to see our world go our way. But it won't, it can't, without becoming exactly what we don't want it to become. It's not easy for me to leave all my bias at the door, it's a daily struggle and I have slipped. But I will never stop working towards a perfect balance. My employees deserve nothing less, and I expect nothing less from my superiors.

My point is this...Whether I like or dislike Jews, Latinos, Gays, what ever, it's my business alone. When my like/dislike colors my decision, or, my posts here, I'm making it your business, and all of us should keep our business to ourselves.

Just my .02C...Carry on.

[Paul T. Casey]

I had my pet human's husband sign on so I could give you a virtual snarl. (I'd sign on myself, but he won't tell me his password.) Look at me, I'm cute, loyal, and fit rather neatly in my car seat in the back of his Marauder! Try that with a Great Dane. And, I must be cool enough, as you can see, Todd let's me sit in his chair when I go to Commerce for drag racing.

Signed, Zoe the little Maraudering Papillion

[dwasson]

Yeah you wanna get Zoe out of the car when you run the quarter. A dog that size will slow you down for sure.

[Blackened300a]

This Board is like a Episode of Full house or Happy Days!!
Somebody says something, People Respond and Then... (Que the Somber Music) The Older Person character Sits Down with the Offending Person and gives them a lesson on whats right and whats wrong!

Or Better Yet, a G.I. JOE PSA! At the end of the episode, You'll see some Kid doing something stupid, Then a G.I.JOE will show up and teach them Right from Wrong and Sum it up By Saying... "Knowing is Half the Battle"!

Jeeze!!

[dwasson]

This Board is like a Episode of Full house or Happy Days!!
Somebody says something, People Respond and Then... (Que the Somber Music) The Older Person character Sits Down with the Offending Person and gives them a lesson on whats right and whats wrong!

Or Better Yet, a G.I. JOE PSA! At the end of the episode, You'll see some Kid doing something stupid, Then a G.I.JOE will show up and teach them Right from Wrong and Sum it up By Saying... "Knowing is Half the Battle"!

Jeeze!!

Now class, how could this young man have replied in a more grown-up way?

[Ezbok58a]

I didn't post anything in your "accident" thread. I didn't feel any need to get that involved in your personal drama, however self-inflicted it is.

I figured that if your own personal bias dosen't get you killed soon, your appetite for the rush of road rage would. Clearly, your rage begins with you, not the other driver. But, I'll tell you here and now, that if I had been the LEO reporting to that scene, and interviewing both you, and the driver of vehicle #1, (the striking vehicle as you tell it in your post), you would have been cited as the cause of that collision.

We call it short braking, we see it everyday, and it always ends up with driver #1 (the vehicle struck) earning an appointment in Traffic Court, where they can explain their reasons for short braking to a judge.

Understanding skid marks and co-efficient of friction, has a lot to to with proving the LEOs case, but we're much better at this today, thank you.

Actually, your "story" as it's posted here, and stated to the cops at the scene, does little to explain what happened. This is Collision 101, and you failed the course.

You were dead wrong, dude, but no one here called you on it. Consider yourself called now. You're a 20 something human who's a racist before your time. You can live the life you want, maybe what you were taught, but your posts here among us, are unacceptable to me.

We here at this Marauder site have collected together for better than 3 years now. 3 years now we have been meeting in person, in back yards, at FFW meets, at vendor shops, anywhere we want, and without one word, one mention, ever, of your style of subliminal racisim.

None of your crap has yet to ooze (as the slime it is) through our posts, and I resent your implications that "minorities" of any nature, sex, race, religion, excetera, are at fault, or, the cause of your personal disappointment in any lane of traffic. You don't own a Marauder anyway, right?

Driving is a skill, dude, much like handwriting, and penmanship. It takes continued practice to build a skill.
And you should. You're not a rolling road-block, you'e not on the highway to measure, or, determine why, or, how, others drive automobiles. Leave that to the cops, K?

When I think of how well your "female, cuban, in the yellow car, with the small dog who surely wanted to escape sure death too, performed against you, despite her innate (natural) tendency to be emotional, and lose control in heated situations, kept her place, pace, space with you, a "man" who thought he controlled it all, including control over an Impala owner/motorist who was at one time in cahoots with you, and another time not...Gawd, it's all quite a bit of thinking here, eh?

Tunafish has nothing to do with Jewish food, or, driving skills, neither does "cuban", or, the widely rumored "hot blooded" Latino personality. Gawd...Both of you are in your 20's and both of you have done great damage to minorities at large on this board. Think and feel what you will, but don't spread that rascist crap among us here.

We know better.

And, we behave better too.
:rolleyes: I never Intended on sounding or spreading Racism through this or any site, My post here in this thread was to warn that certain people (I shouldn't have said Minorities I know that) Get very angry when something happens they can't control. Its the same for all people, not Just Minorities. I apologize if my previous remarks on here sounded Racist as that was not my intention.

My Accident, as far as I'm concered Involved Road Rage to a point. And that Point is when I passed the vehicle. If she had not cut me off to begin with I wouldn't be explaining this to anyone here.

When I passed the car, as far as I was concerned that was it. I never flipped her off, or cut her off.

And Don't be accusing me of this Short Braking :bs: , I did not slam on my brake pedal, I did not do a "brake Check". I saw traffic was slowing, I started to slow down, nothing more, nothing less.

Don't lecture me on life either, I have my parents for that.

I appretiate your concern, but I do not appreciate being called a liar and the cause of my accident.

Good day to you sir.:argue:

Now can we just get along?

[nexstar7]

hey,.. was she cute? You should've tried to get her number! :P
now your talking. who's your daddy? is what you should have said. :burnout:

[Blackened300a]

Ezbok58a] "Don't lecture me on life either, I have my parents for that"

Couldnt have said it better myself. Can't understand why someone feels the need to Lecture a stranger Whats Right and Wrong on a messageboard dedicated to cars?! You have a right to your opinion, If someone Disagrees, Dont Fold, Its YOUR opinion. You have a Right to it. Apoligize for the Comment being in bad taste for the Majority of the members,
Dont apoligize for feeling that way...

[Dan]

10 Rules for putting a fellow driver in his/her place. #10 is listed first for the sake of perspective.

10. Be willing to trade paint, dent fenders, drive throuh obstacles and make new roads with your vehicle because that is what it could come down to these days. If you are unwilling to trade paint in your MM then trying to teach other drivers anything in the first place is unwise.
1. Be an EXPERT driver FIRST. Hone your driving skills to a professional level. Race courses, collision avoidance courses, etc should be part of your training. Know how to handle your car at 11/10s because you have learned how to do it by doing it in a controlled environment. Always make sure that your skill ceiling is far, far above the way that you will drive 99.9% of the time. Hint: Very few people have this much skill. Even many law enforcement personnel, while highly trained and usually above average, do not have this much skill.
2. Never, ever, ever get angry, upset or emotional. Conversely, always stay cold and calculated...thoughtful and premeditative. Ego is bad.
3. Never have any less than 3 ways out of or through any vehicular situation. If you cannot see one then create one by adjusting your speed or location.
4. Never allow yourself to get pinned in by other vehicles. This can get you killed.
5. Never attempt this type of driving on anything less than half a tank of gas. Running out of gas can get you killed.
6. Find a way to handle these types of situations without getting into high speed situations. Use other traffic, turns, exits, etc. to stick to this rule. Stay under the radar. Stay in control.
7. Don't wear out! It takes much more energy to drive in an emotionally upset state than it does to stay calm, cool and collected. If you follow the above rules many other drivers will just get tired of driving "up on you" (emotionally) and give up.
8. It starts when you want it to and it ends when you want it to. If you cannot make it end when you want it to then you have failed to follow the previous rules. Inability to disengage is a major indicator that you are not in control.
9. Size up the other vehicle first. Know how you stack up against it and use that to maximum effect. If you don't stack up back down.

And that, as they say, is that. In case you were wondering, I don't try this too often since this set of rules is almost impossible to apply perfectly. :)

Oh, wait! There is one more thing. A bit of friendly advice. If you have to tell your stories on a BBS and want to avoid having to endure lectures given by the internet safety nannies (lucklily, we don't have any here on this BBS) make sure that you use "hypothetical" situations or that your real world scenarios happened on a "private track." That's what I do. It works for me often and has worked for a few of the other MM guys, too.

Best,

Dan

[Ezbok58a]

10 Rules for putting a fellow driver in his/her place. #10 is listed first for the sake of perspective.

10. Be willing to trade paint, dent fenders, drive throuh obstacles and make new roads with your vehicle because that is what it could come down to these days. If you are unwilling to trade paint in your MM then trying to teach other drivers anything in the first place is unwise.
1. Be an EXPERT driver FIRST. Hone your driving skills to a professional level. Race courses, collision avoidance courses, etc should be part of your training. Know how to handle your car at 11/10s because you have learned how to do it by doing it in a controlled environment. Always make sure that your skill ceiling is far, far above the way that you will drive 99.9% of the time. Hint: Very few people have this much skill. Even many law enforcement personnel, while highly trained and usually above average, do not have this much skill.
2. Never, ever, ever get angry, upset or emotional. Conversely, always stay cold and calculated...thoughtful and premeditative. Ego is bad.
3. Never have any less than 3 ways out of or through any vehicular situation. If you cannot see one then create one by adjusting your speed or location.
4. Never allow yourself to get pinned in by other vehicles. This can get you killed.
5. Never attempt this type of driving on anything less than half a tank of gas. Running out of gas can get you killed.
6. Find a way to handle these types of situations without getting into high speed situations. Use other traffic, turns, exits, etc. to stick to this rule. Stay under the radar. Stay in control.
7. Don't wear out! It takes much more energy to drive in an emotionally upset state than it does to stay calm, cool and collected. If you follow the above rules many other drivers will just get tired of driving "up on you" (emotionally) and give up.
8. It starts when you want it to and it ends when you want it to. If you cannot make it end when you want it to then you have failed to follow the previous rules. Inability to disengage is a major indicator that you are not in control.
9. Size up the other vehicle first. Know how you stack up against it and use that to maximum effect. If you don't stack up back down.

And that, as they say, is that. In case you were wondering, I don't try this too often since this set of rules is almost impossible to apply perfectly. :)

Oh, wait! There is one more thing. A bit of friendly advice. If you have to tell your stories on a BBS and want to avoid having to endure lectures given by the internet safety nannies (lucklily, we don't have any here on this BBS) make sure that you use "hypothetical" situations or that your real world scenarios happened on a "private track." That's what I do. It works for me often and has worked for a few of the other MM guys, too.

Best,

Dan
Well said, Now if only I can lose the emotional feelings while driving I'm fine.
I try to autocross(control at speed), I drag race (concentration), I try my best to avoid getting trapped in traffic it doesn't always work. I could just continue this into a rant but I'll hold off on that

[Dan]

It's the emotions that you really have to get out of the way. Once you have come to that point you have truly come to a point where you are the superior of most other drivers. It is the emotions that cloud the skill.

I think that once one has an understanding of the process of road rage they can remove themselves from its content entirely. Breakdown what it is. It is you taking something that someone else does personally. Now, once you find a way to break free from taking that action personally you can rise above that action and make a logical and unemotional decision about how to act. Note that logical action is quite a bit different that reflexive reaction. Things now never really happen to you personally, they happen around you.

By understanding the entire psychological process you get to never be bothered by distracting emotion when someone does do something dumb around you. This new level of awareness is what enables you to A. engage without anger and with control of your vehicle or B. not engage at all. (Usually the better option.)

If you do engage you will now find yourself thinking almost mercanarily. You will take your line through a corner like you are on a track, you will scan the highway ahead for the best lines, you will be robotic and controlled in your driving style which, in turn, wears down that other driver. Again, this is the less prefferred choice.

I used to have a real problem with road rage. Now, there is never any rage. The really good thing is that this mindset has freed me from being annoyed by almost all of the idiotic things that other drivers do around me (notice I said around me and not to me.) When I do engage it is with control.

For me, now, it is rarely if ever personal.

Dan

[SergntMac]

Ezbok58a] Can't understand why someone feels the need to Lecture a stranger Whats Right and Wrong on a messageboard dedicated to cars?! You have a right to your opinion, If someone Disagrees, Dont Fold, Its YOUR opinion. You have a Right to it. Apoligize for the Comment being in bad taste for the Majority of the members,
Dont apoligize for feeling that way... I agree whole-heartedly. You should never surrender your personal thoughts, or, beliefs until you agree there's a better way. On that note, the man who doesn't change his mind, doesn't have one. But, that's off the point too.

I can hate the world, that's my privilage. I can drive down the street looking out my window and stare at the races, religions and lifestyles that are killing my dear Earth. If that's my opinion, I am privilaged to maintain it. But, when I roll down the window and shout my beliefs, I'm way out of line.

Ditto here at MM.Net. Come, tell your stories, share your joy and your pain, but drop the racism. That's my opinion and I am privilaged in sharing it.

My post here in this thread was to warn that certain people (I shouldn't have said Minorities I know that) Get very angry when something happens they can't control. Its the same for all people, not Just Minorities. I apologize if my previous remarks on here sounded Racist as that was not my intention. Apology accepted, live and learn.

[Ezbok58a]

Well I'm glad thats cleared up, My next step was to challenge you to mortal kombat if it wasn't:D

All kiding aside, lets get back to the cars:burnout:

[Dan]

Not JUSt cars. Driving them, too. :)

[dwasson]

Group hug everybody.

[CBT]

Hypothetically, I was going home on leave from Florida one time. I was hauling arse thru Georgia, I mean a closed course test track that resembled the state of Georgia, really late at night, going home to Tennessee. I hadn't seen a car for a while in either direction, when headlights start zig-zagging up behind me. I made the mistake of letting this clown pass me, thinking it would be safer to watch him than be in front of him. Anyway, he gets beside me and wants to race, beer in hand, starts cursing when I just shake my head no. He was in a crap azz Fairmont, I was in my Z-28. I knew then he was both drunk AND stupid. He proceedes to swerve at me, cursing, throwing a beer can at me, I braked, he cuts me off, slams on his brakes, I dodge left, he cuts back, we do this until we are almost down to like 30 mph. I faked right, then whipped it back left, this fool cuts the wheel back and forth so hard his door flew open and he was dragging his azz on the ground at about 15 mph, trying like hell to get back in the car, but he cut the wheel to the right and off the road he went into a dirt embankment. I look back just as he bounces out of the car, what a mar-oooon! Now by this time I'm at a dead stop on the Interstate, not good. He was crawling around, then staggering around yelling like the drunk idiot he was. I figured this to mean he was going to live so I did a nice little burnout and got the heck out of Dodge. One less drunk and one less Fairmont on the track that night, thank you very much. Of course this is all hypothetically theoretical and whatnot so I'm going to pass on any offerings of counseling and such.

[de minimus]

Hypothetically, I was going home on leave from Florida one time. I was hauling arse thru Georgia, I mean a closed course test track that resembled the state of Georgia, really late at night, going home to Tennessee. I hadn't seen a car for a while in either direction, when headlights start zig-zagging up behind me. I made the mistake of letting this clown pass me, thinking it would be safer to watch him than be in front of him. Anyway, he gets beside me and wants to race, beer in hand, starts cursing when I just shake my head no. He was in a crap azz Fairmont, I was in my Z-28. I knew then he was both drunk AND stupid. He proceedes to swerve at me, cursing, throwing a beer can at me, I braked, he cuts me off, slams on his brakes, I dodge left, he cuts back, we do this until we are almost down to like 30 mph. I faked right, then whipped it back left, this fool cuts the wheel back and forth so hard his door flew open and he was dragging his azz on the ground at about 15 mph, trying like hell to get back in the car, but he cut the wheel to the right and off the road he went into a dirt embankment. I look back just as he bounces out of the car, what a mar-oooon! Now by this time I'm at a dead stop on the Interstate, not good. He was crawling around, then staggering around yelling like the drunk idiot he was. I figured this to mean he was going to live so I did a nice little burnout and got the heck out of Dodge. One less drunk and one less Fairmont on the track that night, thank you very much. Of course this is all hypothetically theoretical and whatnot so I'm going to pass on any offerings of counseling and such.
Hypothetically that guy deserved a beating.

[CBT]

Hypothetically that guy deserved a beating.
It was about 3:30 a.m., I didn't know if he was armed or had buddies waiting or what was going on, and no other cars around. He pretty much beat his own butt, bouncing and dragging it off the road. Even if he'd fell completely out, we were down to such a crawl I wouldn't have ran him over. I was more scared than angry at the time, truth be told. :rolleyes:

[de minimus]

It was about 3:30 a.m., I didn't know if he was armed or had buddies waiting or what was going on, and no other cars around. He pretty much beat his own butt, bouncing and dragging it off the road. Even if he'd fell completely out, we were down to such a crawl I wouldn't have ran him over. I was more scared than angry at the time, truth be told. :rolleyes:
I actually meant it when I said hypothetically.....you did the right thing by leaving.

[Leadfoot281]

I'm not bragging and I don't intend it to sound that way. My past is just that, my past. I'm certainly not proud of it, nor am I ashamed of it, as it goes with "the territory". Here's a little glimpse into it for your consideration.

Got my licence at age 16 in 1987. Lost it at 17 for an unpaid speeding ticket. Drove anyway. By 18 I had lost my licence in 2 states. Got 5 or 6 driving after rev's/suspensions. Busted for two DWI's in 1991. Kept driving without insurance (pay 6 months in full, cancel insurance when I got the "cab card", collect refund for unused insurance, do it again in five months. I always had a "cab card" to show the cops. Never had an accident, but went in the ditch more times than I can count. I also hit 11 deer. 3 deer with one car alone. Been pulled over by the cops 40+ times.(only got ticketed half the time).

I've driven drunk, probably 400 times in my life. Probably more. Not just "buzzed" either. Stone cold, blacked out, hammered off my butt, drunk. I actually "woke up" one morning driving my car with pickled eggs and Coors all over my lap. Doing 25mph in a 55 zone. Windows down and heater off,in sub-zero Minnesota weather, colder than cold, and five miles from home at 5am. Last thing I remembered was going to the bar at midnight after drinking a case of beer at home. The car had a full tank of gas too! I actually filled it up between 1am and 5am. It scared me so much I actually quit drinking for 2 days.

Two years later I read about a guy who got a year in jail for his 10th driving after revocation. I Didn't need that, so that week I parked/abandoned my beloved '78 Fairmont and bought a bicycle. I slapped nearlly 3000 drunk miles on my bike. 3 broken arms, 2 broken wrists and a bad staph infection in my knee was the result. Hmmm...feels like rain...

A case a day, and five years later, I had had enough. (You wouldn't believe the women that went for guys like me either. I Smelled like a urine soaked ashtray. Always had one limb in a cast. Didn't own a car or licence, and was never lonely).

Before I hear any hate mail about this, I want you all to know that I got "sick and tired of being sick and tired" 7 years ago and gave up drinking entirely. Today I have absolutely no desire to drink, whatsoever. My insurance company has apparently forgiven me (I'm on prefered rates!). I posted this for your consideration. Give it some thought between 10pm and 1am when 1 out of 12 drivers is over the legal limit.

Last night, a 16 year old boy died while driving drunk in my home town of 1500 people. What a way to start the school year.

I love my Maruader for so many reasons....

[Bluerauder]

Before I hear any hate mail about this, I want you all to know that I got "sick and tired of being sick and tired" 7 years ago and gave up drinking entirely. Today I have absolutely no desire to drink, whatsoever. My insurance company has apparently forgiven me (I'm on prefered rates!). I posted this for your consideration. Give it some thought between 10pm and 1am when 1 out of 12 drivers is over the legal limit.
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Thanks for the eye opening confession. And congrats on getting your situation under control. :up: Good luck on your continuing journey. :D