I Wish I Had Bought A Marauder.

[86GRANDMARQUIS]

It went 13.07@109 and looks good and all but I have had endless problems and I paid $42k. I guess I should have paid $28k and purchased a MM instead of an SRT8. Oh well; U live and learn I spose.:o

[torinodan]

It went 13.07@109 and looks good and all but I have had endless problems and I paid $42k. I guess I should have paid $28k and purchased a MM instead of an SRT8. Oh well; U live and learn I spose.:o
Don't worry, just like the Marauder a few kinks have to be worked out. Anyway, great numbers, now you just have to able to mod it.

[stevengerard]

That's darn fast for a stock car! What kind of problems?

[Donny Carlson]

That's darn fast for a stock car! What kind of problems?
It's a Daimler/Chrysler product for starters.

[RCSignals]

an SRT8 is $42k ?

And everyone said the MM was priced too high.

[DEFYANT]

SRT8?

Magnum or 300?

42K? For what I paid on the MM + the mods, I am a safe distance from that number.

[86GRANDMARQUIS]

I hear rumors of some Chrysler 2006 300c SRT8's going for $60k!. I saw 1 on E-bay go for $@52k. As for problems; Alt,ESP(Wheel Slip Control or something or other)Strange unidentified noises,VERY harsh ride and other stuff. 13.20s are common so I wasn't surprised. I met sell it. I have had some offers. I still like it but can make a quick $5k so ? who knows. Later.

[jakdad]

What's a SRT8?

[bigjon]

an srt8 has a stroked out 5.7l hemi to 6.1l.=425hp from the factory.

[jakdad]

an srt8 has a stroked out 5.7l hemi to 6.1l.=425hp from the factory. It's like a sports car?

[Hotrauder]

quote "It's like a sports car?"

Not quite, it is a Chrysler, Dodge Limited Edition Magnum or Charger and perhaps the 300 I think. They are new and will probably have some teething pains but should be a great package to build on....and FAST in a straight line.:burnout:

[DEFYANT]

an srt8 has a stroked out 5.7l hemi to 6.1l.=425hp from the factory.
I can hang :D .

[bigslim]

Some SRT-8 products.

[Marauder2005]

Thank you for the pics. I like the 300 SRT-8 and the Charger SRT-8 but the

Magnum looks like a hurst (sp) in black....

[ADE 1000]

an SRT8 is $42k ?

And everyone said the MM was priced too high.

A stock Marauder cannot hold a candle to an SRT-8. The SRT-8 is a steal at $42K.

[Marauder2005]

A stock Marauder cannot hold a candle to an SRT-8. The SRT-8 is a steal at $42K.
Super Charged or non Super Charged ;)

[CRUZTAKER]

It went 13.07@109 and looks good and all but I have had endless problems and I paid $42k. I guess I should have paid $28k and purchased a MM instead of an SRT8. Oh well; U live and learn I spose.:o
With a trap speed of 109 you should be running in the mid to low 12's.

I know this....:cool:

Perhaps you shouldn't cash in just yet and get some tires that HOOK.:dunno:

[Marauder2005]

With a trap speed of 109 you should be running in the mid to low 12's.

I know this....:cool:

Perhaps you shouldn't cash in just yet and get some tires that HOOK.:dunno:
12s Stock!!!, Ill take one plz!

[CRUZTAKER]

Ummm...faaaarrr from stock. But not blown.:D :cool4:

Skip the stock not stock comparisons...I'm just figuring, idf you're hitting the traps that hard, and NOT in the 12's ....somethings awry.

[bugsys03]

Super Charged or non Super Charged ;)

They are NA. This guy didnt pay 42k unless he has some really good connections. INVOICE on the 300C SRT8 is 43600. Havent heard of anyone paying under MSRP=46k. 50k+ is common. They will do 12.9to 13.2 STOCK off the showroom floor. This car comes stock with all the stuff ours should have had--425hp, brembo brakes, 5 speed trans, 20"wheels, factory headers, beefed up independent supension and more. I know all this as i have been doing my homework on this vehicle for almost a year and MINE WILL BE HERE NEXT WEEK :beer:

[RCSignals]

A stock Marauder cannot hold a candle to an SRT-8. The SRT-8 is a steal at $42K.


yes, a steal for DCX, especially at MSRP plus

[SergntMac]

50k+ is common. They will do 12.9 to 13.2 STOCK off the showroom floor. This car comes stock with all the stuff ours should have had--425hp, brembo brakes, 5 speed trans, 20"wheels, factory headers, beefed up independent supension and more. I know all this as I have been doing my homework on this vehicle for almost a year and MINE WILL BE HERE NEXT WEEK :beer: I believe you, Dave. You're not one to brag, or, get involved in shoulder to shoulder screen skirmishes here. Yet, you show up everywhere I am, with nothing more than a friendly smile, and strong handshake. You don't know how much I have counted on you, just to be around.

Once you get your new wheels, will your MM disappear from the parking lot at 31 and 14? I seriously hope so, 'cause everytime my better half visits that PetSmart, I get a grilling you would not believe. I can't be in two places at one time, thank Gawd you work weekends too.

Please keep me posted on your new ride, I'm loving this...

[86GRANDMARQUIS]

The 06 is $43k msrp. Mine is an O5 that was $39k msrp and $42k with options. I was exempt from the GGT because I was early enough. I wouldnt pay more than MSRP anyway. There is not a big market for them as of yet no matter what people have paid. If they want to sell them they will give you your price....

[ADE 1000]

Super Charged or non Super Charged ;)

Well, I did say "stock". Supercharged is another story. But then again, you can supercharge the SRT-8 as well.

[ADE 1000]

yes, a steal for DCX, especially at MSRP plus

Hopefully DCX is making money, as they deserve it. I would not personally give them my own money, but I give them major props for their efforts. Name the last time Ford created a sedan that people were willing to buy at MSRP, let alone above it?

The base price on a Charger SRT-8 $35,995, less than the sticker of my fully loaded 2003 Marauder. If that does not put into perspective how badly Ford overpriced the Marauder, I am not sure what does.

[RCSignals]

Hopefully DCX is making money, as they deserve it. I would not personally give them my own money, but I give them major props for their efforts. Name the last time Ford created a sedan that people were willing to buy at MSRP, let alone above it?

The base price on a Charger SRT-8 $35,995, less than the sticker of my fully loaded 2003 Marauder. If that does not put into perspective how badly Ford overpriced the Marauder, I am not sure what does.

I'll say this, if I was to spend 48K on a non-ford product, (considering only vehicles from the other two of the traditional big three) I'd much rather spend it on a SRT8 than a Chevrolet SSR.

The last sedan Ford produced that anyone was willing to spend more than MSRP and MSRP for was the Marauder when it came out. (ask some of the people here)

The sticker for your 2003 was higher than that of my 2003. Oh well. But yes, Mercury should have done the traditional Ford thing and value priced the Marauder. Of course it would have meant lowering prices of the rest of the Grand Marquis line up. (the Marauder wasn't the highest priced GM I've seen :eek: ) But that's all been discussed here to death.

[RCSignals]

..........................
Once you get your new wheels, will your MM disappear from the parking lot at 31 and 14? I seriously hope so, 'cause everytime my better half visits that PetSmart, I get a grilling you would not believe. I can't be in two places at one time, thank Gawd you work weekends too.

.......................


Now that is very funny! :lol:

[Bradley G]

Anybody making a comparo, between these two cars actually driven one?
Selling Daimler/Chryslers& Ford L/M for twelve years, is another reason I picked a Ford to purchace.
Though, the alternative offering was not available yet.
I have not driven the new Chrysler platform, after sitting in it and checking out all the details (that are important to me)it did not motivate/ impress me to the point of a test drive.
On the other hand, the moment I laid eyes on a Marauder, I have never been the same. :coolman:

[seans]

Bigslim, thanks for the photos. I had no idea what these cars looked like.


86grandmarquis, can you post a few photos of your car. I'm sure a lot of people here would liketo see yours. Thanks

[juno]

I drove the 5.7L Charger and it was OK, but not impressive. You could get a lot of cool options. I do not know the differences between it and the SRT8. Plus, correct me if I am wrong, because I looked at a lot of cars that day, the label said MADE IN MEXICO.

[ADE 1000]

I'll say this, if I was to spend 48K on a non-ford product, (considering only vehicles from the other two of the traditional big three) I'd much rather spend it on a SRT8 than a Chevrolet SSR.

The last sedan Ford produced that anyone was willing to spend more than MSRP and MSRP for was the Marauder when it came out. (ask some of the people here)

The sticker for your 2003 was higher than that of my 2003. Oh well. But yes, Mercury should have done the traditional Ford thing and value priced the Marauder. Of course it would have meant lowering prices of the rest of the Grand Marquis line up. (the Marauder wasn't the highest priced GM I've seen :eek: ) But that's all been discussed here to death.

I'm not sure why you would be comparing the SRT-8 to the SSR, as they are totally different vehicles. The only domestic sedan that compares to the SRT-8 in remotely the same price range is the CTS-V. The only foreign ones I can think of are the Audi S4 and Mercedes C55. But then again, these are all smaller vehicles. The only car that performs about the same for less money is the Pontiac GTO, but this is also a totally different type of car.

Paying over MSRP for the Marauder did not happen in anything that resembled significant numbers. This only occurred for a split second to a few unfortunate souls who must have had impaired judgement temporarily.The SRT-8 has maintained its momentum for several months now and I am sure will continue to have high demand for at least a year or more.

The strategy of the domestic automakers having inflated sticker prices with heavy rebates is something that must stop. The sticker pricing of the entire panther line up is way off. But as you said, this has been beaten to death before.

[ADE 1000]

Anybody making a comparo, between these two cars actually driven one?
Selling Daimler/Chryslers& Ford L/M for twelve years, is another reason I picked a Ford to purchace.
Though, the alternative offering was not available yet.
I have not driven the new Chrysler platform, after sitting in it and checking out all the details (that are important to me)it did not motivate/ impress me to the point of a test drive.
On the other hand, the moment I laid eyes on a Marauder, I have never been the same. :coolman:

My brother has a Magnum. Overall, I am impressed with it, but it is a tad too softly sprung for my liking. The interior is also very drab. I still think they are the best affordable sedans on the market right now, but I also do not find the non-SRT models anywhere near as appealing as my Marauder.

I have not driven an SRT-8. I think they look great, and I have heard nothing but raves about how they drive. The only complaint I am aware of is horrific gas mileage, but that is expected.

[GreekGod]

The 06 is $43k msrp. Mine is an O5 that was $39k msrp and $42k with options. I was exempt from the GGT because I was early enough. I wouldnt pay more than MSRP anyway. There is not a big market for them as of yet no matter what people have paid. If they want to sell them they will give you your price........That gas guzzler tax is SO hokey! It only supresses the economy and (somewhat) limits sales, profits, and JOBS! It reminds me of the other stupid "luxury" tax from years ago they put on yachts. The wealthy quit guying new yachts so hundreds of worker/builders were let go in Florida and other places. :bigcry: All the payroll taxes on those workers were lost and the increased tax ended up LOWERING revenues! If we have to save oil we should expand the railroads and start a 10 year plan to half the number of heavy trucks on the interstate highways. :banned: Bring back the 45 mph speed limit from WW II? :rolleyes:

[Bradley G]

Thanks for the feedback!

I agree about the interior.
The other impression I got, was poor visibility(magnum).
I have not driven any of Chryslers new offerings.
I do also agree the SRT-8 is good looking.
That car, I would like to check out, a bit more closely!:burnout:

My brother has a Magnum. Overall, I am impressed with it, but it is a tad too softly sprung for my liking. The interior is also very drab. I still think they are the best affordable sedans on the market right now, but I also do not find the non-SRT models anywhere near as appealing as my Marauder.

I have not driven an SRT-8. I think they look great, and I have heard nothing but raves about how they drive. The only complaint I am aware of is horrific gas mileage, but that is expected.

[RCSignals]

I'm not sure why you would be comparing the SRT-8 to the SSR, as they are totally different vehicles.
Only the price. Obviously the SSR is not a sedan.





Paying over MSRP for the Marauder did not happen in anything that resembled significant numbers.
Agreed. It still happened. Dealers had inflated prices on Marauders to over a year. (you'd think after a year they'd have had a clue)


The strategy of the domestic automakers having inflated sticker prices with heavy rebates is something that must stop. The sticker pricing of the entire panther line up is way off. But as you said, this has been beaten to death before.

Yes. The success of the recent 'family/employee pricing', which is below dealer invoice cost, should be an indicator to the manufactures that they need to reduce pricing. They need to decide if they want to sell on a volume at a lower price and make a profit, or stuggle as they have, resorting to incentives and rebates to eek out sales of fewer vehicles.
Around here it's like the old days. End of Summer beginning of Fall and pretty much everyone has a new vehicle.
Sticker pricing of pretty much every vehicle is way off I think.

[GreekGod]

[quote]"The strategy of the domestic automakers having inflated sticker prices with heavy rebates is something that must stop. The sticker pricing of the entire panther line up is way off. But as you said, this has been beaten to death before"... Anyone know what Panther models actually cost to make and what a reasonable price to pay actually is? Towncars do seem like a lot more money than a base CV or Gran Marquis for not so much more of a car. Since taxicabs and police cars are low profit sales, would what our local municipalities pay for patrol vehicles be a good indicator of the wholesale value of CV's?

[JACook]

Well, I did say "stock". Supercharged is another story. But then again, you can supercharge the SRT-8 as well. Has anyone successfully done this yet? From what I've been told the DCX cars are very unfriendly to any kind
of mods that would require different fuel maps. And no one has cracked the brain boxes yet. Or so I've been told.

[bugsys03]

It has been done. Check it out at 300cforums.com.

[Marauder2005]

My brother has a Magnum. Overall, I am impressed with it, but it is a tad too softly sprung for my liking. The interior is also very drab. I still think they are the best affordable sedans on the market right now, but I also do not find the non-SRT models anywhere near as appealing as my Marauder.

I have not driven an SRT-8. I think they look great, and I have heard nothing but raves about how they drive. The only complaint I am aware of is horrific gas mileage, but that is expected.
I do agree, I would not turn my nose up at the SRT-8. As a matter of fact

I would love to buy a 300c SRT-8 or Charger SRT-8 (Black :coolman: )

Only question I have is reliablilty. Chrysler has had problems with it in the

past.

[bigjon]

anyone know if since the magnum is 'classified' as a truck the srt-8 version is exempt from the ggt?

or did the magnum get reclassified for '06?

[svtguy]

Has anyone successfully done this yet? From what I've been told the DCX cars are very unfriendly to any kind
of mods that would require different fuel maps. And no one has cracked the brain boxes yet. Or so I've been told.Have you heard about the Hennesey srt-8. Didn't see a blown one though. http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/hennesseyperformance/ListItems.php?cart=CTQbbXJI&DoThis=Dodge+Magnum+SRT8+HEMI&ActionReq=Where

[RCSignals]

[quote]"The strategy of the domestic automakers having inflated sticker prices with heavy rebates is something that must stop. The sticker pricing of the entire panther line up is way off. But as you said, this has been beaten to death before"... Anyone know what Panther models actually cost to make and what a reasonable price to pay actually is? Towncars do seem like a lot more money than a base CV or Gran Marquis for not so much more of a car. Since taxicabs and police cars are low profit sales, would what our local municipalities pay for patrol vehicles be a good indicator of the wholesale value of CV's?

Where did you hear that taxicabs and police cars are low profit sales ?

For an idea of what to pay for a base CV or GM look up the current pricing under Ford's family pricing for 2005s, less rebates which is 1 to 2 k.

But, why would you want a base model?

[bmartin9122]

That's darn fast for a stock car! What kind of problems?
I have about 1300 miles on my '06 Magnum SRT8, and I have had 2 problems:

1. The wheels were not balanced well from the factory. This required a trip to Discount Tire, since my local Dodge dealership was not equipped to handle high performance wheels. It was covered under the 12k-mile break-in period.

2. The rear windshield wiper motor was also defective. Repaired under warranty.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/bmartin9122/2006%20Magnum%20SRT8/Picture002.jpg

My previous '05 Magnum RT spent a bit of time at the shop. However, it was for small things, i.e., misalignment, rattles, etc.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/bmartin9122/2005%20Magnum%20RT/magnum.jpg

[bmartin9122]

an srt8 has a stroked out 5.7l hemi to 6.1l.=425hp from the factory.
To be more accurate, it is overbored - not stroked. :rolleyes:

"For more displacement, SRT engineers bored out the diameter of the cylinders in the HEMI by 3.5 millimeters each in order to increase the total displacement to 6.1 liters from 5.7 liters."

http://www.fast-autos.net/dodge/dodgemagnumsrt8.html

[bmartin9122]

Thank you for the pics. I like the 300 SRT-8 and the Charger SRT-8 but the

Magnum looks like a hurst (sp) in black....
Personally, I plan to be buried with my "hearse", so I guess that works for me! :P

[Marauder2005]

I have about 1300 miles on my '06 Magnum SRT8, and I have had 2 problems:

1. The wheels were not balanced well from the factory. This required a trip to Discount Tire, since my local Dodge dealership was not equipped to handle high performance wheels. It was covered under the 12k-mile break-in period.

2. The rear windshield wiper motor was also defective. Repaired under warranty.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/bmartin9122/2006%20Magnum%20SRT8/Picture002.jpg

My previous '05 Magnum RT spent a bit of time at the shop. However, it was for small things, i.e., misalignment, rattles, etc.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/bmartin9122/2005%20Magnum%20RT/magnum.jpg
The black one is MUCH better, love those wheels. Keep her lookin good!

[bmartin9122]

The 06 is $43k msrp. Mine is an O5 that was $39k msrp and $42k with options. I was exempt from the GGT because I was early enough. I wouldnt pay more than MSRP anyway. There is not a big market for them as of yet no matter what people have paid. If they want to sell them they will give you your price....
You dog! Did you get the '05 7/70 powertrain warranty? I paid $2700 for a 7/85 "bumper-to-bumper" warranty for my '06 Magnum SRT8. However, I did not have to pay the GGT. The Magnum is exempt.

[Badger]

Last Friday at MIR we got to see a 300 SRT-8 do some damage.....to itself on its second run.
First run was in the 13s. Second run it limped to the nearest exit at 40mph.:flamer:

[bmartin9122]

My brother has a Magnum. Overall, I am impressed with it, but it is a tad too softly sprung for my liking. The interior is also very drab. I still think they are the best affordable sedans on the market right now, but I also do not find the non-SRT models anywhere near as appealing as my Marauder.

I have not driven an SRT-8. I think they look great, and I have heard nothing but raves about how they drive. The only complaint I am aware of is horrific gas mileage, but that is expected.The Magnum RT has an improved suspension over the "lower" trim levels. However, it is still a little squishy for a true performance enthusiast. The SRT8 takes the suspension to the next level with a whole package of improvements including but not limited to new bushings, stronger anti-roll bar, stiffer springs, lower ride height. This all translates into alot more feedback. :) Unfortunately, the ride is a bit harsher as a result. :( I recently took a freeway exit curve at 90mph. (I glanced down when I fealt I was at my limit.) It was posted at 45mph. Not bad for a 2-ton wagon.

The interior IS very Spartan, but this falls into the less-ornate, all-business character Dodge is trying to convey.

So far, my daily driving mileage falls into the 16mpg range and I have heard of highway rates as high as 20mpg. I dare say there are few other V8-powered 425hp vehicles that can claim numbers as good.

[bmartin9122]

Last Friday at MIR we got to see a 300 SRT-8 do some damage.....to itself on its second run.
First run was in the 13s. Second run it limped to the nearest exit at 40mph.:flamer:
I guess that is proof that these cars are not designed to be abused at the racetrack.

[bmartin9122]

Has anyone successfully done this yet? From what I've been told the DCX cars are very unfriendly to any kind
of mods that would require different fuel maps. And no one has cracked the brain boxes yet. Or so I've been told.
GSMotorsports also has a supercharger kit for both the 5.7L and 6.1L V8's.

Here is a link to the latter:

http://www.gsmotorsports.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SRT-61001-MAG&Category_Code=MAGNUM61SRTSC

[Badger]

That could have just been a fluke though. Since I have no need for a new car at this point I'll watch and see. I do like how they look and like the fact they are not afraid to put a little muscle back in the cars! :D

[GreekGod]

Where did you hear that taxicabs and police cars are low profit sales ?

For an idea of what to pay for a base CV or GM look up the current pricing under Ford's family pricing for 2005s, less rebates which is 1 to 2 k.

But, why would you want a base model?...May I plead ignorence? I have read police cars are sold by bid and with a very small markup by dealers. A salesman at my LM dealer also told me there is a dealer here in Michigan that underbids all the other dealers to have bragging rights for being #1 in sales dealer. Taxi's-at least in Grand Rapids, Michigan are notoriously "cheap" rides-many don't have air-conditioning! We may be talking apples and oranges-what the dealers sell for, when it's at a low margin, isn't necessarily slightly above what it costs Ford to BUILD them. Supposedly, the big SUV's Ford has been selling lately have a $10,000 built-in profit for Ford account of demand. I can believe the $10k profit as I've been pricing F650's for over a year and it's a whole lot more truck than a say, F350 (and for not much more money). Back to my original question-what kind of profit/markup does Ford have on PI's and taxi's? I would like to see a base model Crown-Vic 5.4 with rubber floor mats and lets say...hmmm....500 horsepower and a shaker hood scoop! How about a no-haggle $18,000 and either black or white only (for color)? It's got cop tires, a cop motor,....

[Last Mrk]

Now that is very funny! :lol:Yes it is. I live 2 miles North of 31 & 14 so I know what parking lot being referred to and it's not Portillos and for sure not Chucky Cheese. :)

[RCSignals]

...May I plead ignorence? I have read police cars are sold by bid and with a very small markup by dealers. A salesman at my LM dealer also told me there is a dealer here in Michigan that underbids all the other dealers to have bragging rights for being #1 in sales dealer. Taxi's-at least in Grand Rapids, Michigan are notoriously "cheap" rides-many don't have air-conditioning! We may be talking apples and oranges-what the dealers sell for, when it's at a low margin, isn't necessarily slightly above what it costs Ford to BUILD them. Supposedly, the big SUV's Ford has been selling lately have a $10,000 built-in profit for Ford account of demand. I can believe the $10k profit as I've been pricing F650's for over a year and it's a whole lot more truck than a say, F350 (and for not much more money). Back to my original question-what kind of profit/markup does Ford have on PI's and taxi's? I would like to see a base model Crown-Vic 5.4 with rubber floor mats and lets say...hmmm....500 horsepower and a shaker hood scoop! How about a no-haggle $18,000 and either black or white only (for color)? It's got cop tires, a cop motor,....


No figures, but they are profitable for Ford.
I don't think the 'taxi' package is available from Ford without A/C. I've heard though that most CV Taxis are sold in NYC. CV Taxis in other cities are often used CVPIs. Used sales don't help Ford profitability.