Paint Problem 03MM

[warren]

Help !!! What To Do?

I'm at 48,000 miles and out of warranty!!!

Just noticed --- Crows Feet YYY in TWO patches one on front of roof and
the other on the trunk lid about 1" square with the little feet 1/8" everywhich
way. I know this only will get worse.

Have any of you had this happen and what did you do.
Especially after the 36K miles & beyond warranty.
Did any one go to FORD???

Warren

[nexstar7]

i thought the paint was covered for more than 36,000 or 3 yrs.

[chicago_cop]

Help !!! What To Do?

I'm at 48,000 miles and out of warranty!!!

Just noticed --- Crows Feet YYY in TWO patches one on front of roof and
the other on the trunk lid about 1" square with the little feet 1/8" everywhich
way. I know this only will get worse.

Have any of you had this happen and what did you do.
Especially after the 36K miles & beyond warranty.
Did any one go to FORD???

Warren

There was a recent post on this prob. Heard that one yr.on the paint, unless there are cracks. Go for it....

[Petrograde]

...all too common. Mine are becoming noticeable. :(

Screw Ford. When my MM is paid off, I'm taking out a loan and having professionals spray Dupont Imron. :up: Maybe something custom. I'll prob'ly pay about 6K-8K for it. In my opinion, this is definitely one of those things that fall into the 'you get what you pay for' category.

I guarantee my new paint job will be more than 2-4 mils thick!

[jgc61sr2002]

i thought the paint was covered for more than 36,000 or 3 yrs.


Ralph - I don't think so.

[MarauderMark]

...all too common. Mine are becoming noticeable. :(

Screw Ford. When my MM is paid off, I'm taking out a loan and having professionals spray Dupont Imron. :up: Maybe something custom. I'll prob'ly pay about 6K-8K for it. In my opinion, this is definitely one of those things that fall into the 'you get what you pay for' category.

I guarantee my new paint job will be more than 2-4 mils thick!
Great Minds think alike.:up:

[Petrograde]

Great Minds think alike.:up:

very true! you just beat me to the punch in the ''90 Marauder" thread. :D


...anyway,.. I wish I'd have bought the extended paint warranty that was offered to me when I bought mine.. live and learn eh?

[warren]

Just talked to Ford Ser. Dept ( Cobra Dealer ).
The Ser. Mgr. wnats to see it tomorrow morning!

I will keep you posted.

Also called the Mercury Body shop and he said the loud
mouth gets listened to.

Warren

[Petrograde]

Good Luck man! I hope they sqaure you away!

May the Force be with you!

[metroplex]

I know some of the Marauder folks don't want to hear this, but we have a 2003 Ford E-250 with the same black paint as the Marauders (same code, etc...) and the hood paint delaminated (Ford repainted it under warranty) and there are some minor defects on the doors.

We tried our best to get the doors repainted but they'd only door the hood. They even scratched the fenders repainting the hood.

This was Mike Dorian Ford at 15.5 & Gratiot (where manyMM.Net members parked their cars at the Gratiot cruise).

Good luck

Ford apparently has problems with the 2002-2004 dark paint.

[warren]

The Serv. Mgr. at WC Ford (Cobra dealer) had me take it to their local body shop.
He said he needed a quote to take to the Ford people.
The cost to them (actually they tell the shop what they will accept)
would be 3060.00
They would do roof, hood, trunk, both fenders, moulding, and not the doors.
I looked at it closer this morning and the 1/8" paint splits are coming out big time all over hood, roof, trunk and frenders.

The body shop said it happens in hot areas because of heat with black cars.

I hope I am pleasantly suprised with the out come & that Ford does the
right thing. At least I feel the Ford dealership is behind me.

Warren

[metroplex]

Wow, yet another reason why Mike Dorian Ford sucks the big one. The van is covered under warranty and they would only do the hood.

Black paint getting too hot and peeling off? That's TOTALLY ****ING UNACCEPTABLE WHEN EVERY OTHER OEM BLACK PAINT DOES NOT PEEL OFF LIKE A CALIFORNIA PRUNE IN THE SUN. What the hell is Ford's major malfunction?

[TripleTransAm]

I know some of the Marauder folks don't want to hear this, but we have a 2003 Ford E-250 with the same black paint as the Marauders (same code, etc...) and the hood paint delaminated (Ford repainted it under warranty) and there are some minor defects on the doors.

GM used to have this same problem... 20 years ago. (actually, only on cars painted in California, due to the type of paint allowed in that state... thankfully, my GTA is a Norwood, Ohio - built car)


The body shop said it happens in hot areas because of heat with black cars.

I have 4 black cars, the oldest of which turned 27 just 2 weeks ago and is still sporting its current paint job from sometime in 1987. Another one is 18 years old and is still wearing its original coat of black after spending much much much time in the sun. And a 7 year old car that also spent a lot of the summers outdoors back when I only had a 2 car garage and the '78 needed to be indoors as I worked on it.

Delamination? With today's technology? Easy... it's called cutting the corners. For the few pennies it saved in fuming our cars at the factory instead of laying down an appreciable coat of paint, Ford would risk getting a bad reputation? (then again, they've had a dozen years to solve the issue of smoking 4.6s...)

[59chev348]

i just got a new paint job last week and compared to the factory paint my sh#t is like a mirror my stock paint was leaving water spots that did not come off my paint cost me 6,500 same color black 03 mercury marauder /10/9/05

[MENINBLK]

Outerbody Corrosion is for 6 yr and 50,000 miles.
Doesn't this cover the paint also ?

[metroplex]

The 2003 E-250 (and most other models) are covered under a 5 year no mileage corrosion protection plan. However, this plan is valid if there are rust HOLES in the body panels. Most of the time you will not get the rusted Chevy look until 10+ years...

I wonder how much it would cost to get the van completely repainted with the stuff used to coat my AR-15? That stuff is very very very durable.

[toncan]

I also have the crows feet on all upper surfaces and I am taking mine in to be evaluated on monday. Only 7000 miles on mine.

[metroplex]

what is crow's feet?

Do they look like crow's feet?

As I was washing and waxing the E-250 the other day I noticed some "scratches" that weren't scratches. Scratches usually remove paint, these were "cracks" in the paint.

[metroplex]

Here's a pic of the weird defect I found.

I also found a "scratch" that looks like paint ready to peel off.

This is on a side of the van that barely if ever gets in contact with the sun. It's way out in the back where there's no engine compartment heat.

Hopefully I won't have to pay $6k-$7k for a repaint. If it comes to that, or they nickel and dime me by repaining one panel at a time, I think we need to start a class action lawsuit process and get our money back.

How can I get them to repaint the entire vehicle? I need about another year before I figure the lemon law can take effect (4 defects on the same vehicle on the same area).

[toncan]

Looks like crows feet to me. Almost like something is pushing its way up from under the paint. They only get worse.

[watts428]

Help !!! What To Do?

I'm at 48,000 miles and out of warranty!!!

WarrenHope they treat you right. Ford is so afraid they might get some paint on their cars. I had a 95 Super Coupe the paint came off of. In 2001 they split the cost of painting the roof, hood, deck lid, and fenders. This was a garage kept vehicle. I hope you get a better deal than that. They should repair it at no cost. Here is a link to some pics.

http://www.shelbycarz.com/images/tbird.jpg

[TripleTransAm]

Looks like crows feet to me. Almost like something is pushing its way up from under the paint. They only get worse.

This can also happen if you wash a dark car that's been out in the sun with cold water. Some temperature-related contraction occurs and the paint can crack much like this. With our weak paint, I guess it would be that much easier for it to happen... I wonder how many dealers did a number on our cars without knowing it, before we got our hands on them. (that's why I made sure my car went straight from the showroom to the wash booth at the dealer without spending any time outdoors, since they INSISTED the car leave the dealership clean).

With 4 black cars, it's something I pay close attention to.

[metroplex]

We never wash our dark colored cars right under the sun. Even so, the paint should handle rapid temperature changes. I mean, what happens when your car sits out in the parking lot in the summer and all of a sudden a t-storm comes by? Sudden low pressure w/ cold water raining down from above, contacting the hot surface of the paint?

Ford's paint spec is either really lax, or their new supplier (for 2002-up) cheaped out, or Ford really rushed the paint process (thick paint, improper prepping, improper curing, etc...)

From what the insiders have said, Ford tends to nickel and dime everything. Rather than ask, "how long will it last, how will the customers like it, does it meet our specifications and requirements?" they will ask, "can we save a dollar out of this part?" :mad2:

[prchrman]

Black MM paint sucks...live with it...or paint it...my dealer no help, nada, zero, zilch, nyet, goose egg...thanks for bringing it back up...ruined my whole day...willie

[the fat bastid]

fyi guys:
you know those door striker marks that a bunch of us have?
they tried to touch up mine. that wore off. then it began to rust. now the paint is chipping off!
i suggest you all check them.

i'm taking mine into the dealer tomarrow, lets see what happens.

[metroplex]

Update: Took it to Mike Dorian Ford today and the guy said the scratches next to the Crow's Foot was more of a problem :bs:

We told him that scratches are not a problem because they're scratches, you get them all the time. A paint defect where paint came peel off, is more of a problem.

After some more typical stealership sage advice, he set up an appointment date (next week) for eval/repaint.

He said "we chose the wrong color"... WTF, over? Since when was Black Clearcoat the WRONG color? Since Ford decided to nickel and dime its customers by using the cheapest ****tiest quality black paint?????

He also said that I was asking for more problems by asking them to repaint it under warranty. WTF, over? Is he going to get someone to steal the van so that I don't go back to get it repainted again?

He mentioned that the standard procedure is to "buff the paint and repaint" for crow's feet.

[dflynn5]

fyi guys:
you know those door striker marks that a bunch of us have?
they tried to touch up mine. that wore off. then it began to rust. now the paint is chipping off!
i suggest you all check them.

i'm taking mine into the dealer tomarrow, lets see what happens.

I think I have this. Is it at the top of the door where it looks like it hits the body when you close it? I had assumed this was a once off. Now I'm concerned. What is the cure?

[toncan]

my black beauty went to the paint booth today. :D

[toncan]

my black beauty went to the paint booth today. :D
Got my car back from paint shop and it looks better than it ever did new.dealer paid the entire bill.

[Petrograde]

Got my car back from paint shop and it looks better than it ever did new.dealer paid the entire bill.

:congrats: I'm happy to hear this! :banana2:

..now get the Zaino ready!

[jgc61sr2002]

toncan - Congrats. Glad you are satisfied with the results. :D

[Ozz]

I've had my '03 300A since 8/1 and when I test drove it and bought it, it was filthy (private party, not driven much). I figured it would clean up pretty well. I washed it and was surprised how 'gray' it looked. I got it professionally detailed a week later (3 step cleaner, polish, wax). It did look a little better but the paint is still disapointing. I have painted enough things to know what a decent paint job looks like and my MM has as bad a paint job as my wife's Nissan Sentra. Very thin, very shallow reflection. :mad: I was looking at a silver MM at a dealership at the same time as the black one and I frequently wish that I had paid more and gone with the silver one just because of how bad the black paint looks on mine.

The even sadder part is that I am replacing my 1998 Dodge Dakota R/T with the MM and by comparison, the paint on the R/T looks like something special. It is very 'deep' looking and almost completely smooth (not original owner, may have been wet sanded to remove orange peel). It's pretty pathetic that a 7 year old Dodge truck that was winter driven and sat out a lot looks better than my 'new' Marauder... it's a freakin' Dodge truck for god's sake...

[warren]

I've had my '03 300A since 8/1 and when I test drove it and bought it, it was filthy (private party, not driven much). I figured it would clean up pretty well. I washed it and was surprised how 'gray' it looked. I got it professionally detailed a week later (3 step cleaner, polish, wax). It did look a little better but the paint is still disapointing. I have painted enough things to know what a decent paint job looks like and my MM has as bad a paint job as my wife's Nissan Sentra. Very thin, very shallow reflection. :mad: I was looking at a silver MM at a dealership at the same time as the black one and I frequently wish that I had paid more and gone with the silver one just because of how bad the black paint looks on mine.

The even sadder part is that I am replacing my 1998 Dodge Dakota R/T with the MM and by comparison, the paint on the R/T looks like something special. It is very 'deep' looking and almost completely smooth (not original owner, may have been wet sanded to remove orange peel). It's pretty pathetic that a 7 year old Dodge truck that was winter driven and sat out a lot looks better than my 'new' Marauder... it's a freakin' Dodge truck for god's sake...
Ozz,
How many miles are on it and are there any small 1/8" cracks on it?

I am still waiting for the Ford Rep. to visit the dealership to go over
my claim on my 03MM blk.

Warren

[Ozz]

24,000 miles; built 8-21-02; in service date 8-27-02... out of warranty.
No cracks at this time.

[jparrie]

Warren,

I had Diablo LM re-paint mine, but it was within warranty. Call me if you like.

Jim