Crown Vic (or CVPI) Effect-Real or Myth

[Dan]

Here is my definition of the "Crown Vic Effect"

The effect that driving a Crown Vic platform vehicle has on other drivers which causes them to A) move to the right lane or B) drive slower. Said "Crown Vic Effect" is directly related to the fact that LEO's drive Crown Vics and, because of this, the average motorist drives differently around a Crown Vic until they can determine that it is not a law enforcement vehicle.

Do you think that your Marauder enables you to take advantage of the "Crown Vic Effect"? YES or NO.

Best,

Dan

[ckadiddle]

I think it exists a bit on major highways in FL due to the publicized use of Marauders by the FHP. Course, that would have to be called the "Marauder Effect", I suppose. ;) As to the Crown Vic Effect, I haven't noticed it driving CVs the last five years or so prior to the Marauder.

[Dan]

I think it exists a bit on major highways in FL due to the publicized use of Marauders by the FHP. Course, that would have to be called the "Marauder Effect", I suppose. ;) As to the Crown Vic Effect, I haven't noticed it driving CVs the last five years or so prior to the Marauder.

Thanks. Please vote in the poll.

Best,

Dan

[blackf0rk]

The Crown Vic effect is real. No doubt about it. It's not an effect that everyone "gets" or "receives", but definately enough to be counted as an effect.

I do not think that a Marauder can be counted in on the effect as much as crown vic though, because of it's major characteristic changes (headlights, grill, rear bumper [marauder], wheels).

[ckadiddle]

Thanks. Please vote in the poll.

Best,

DanDUHHHH.. I forgot!!!:o

[Dan]

:)

Oh tay!

[stevengerard]

where is the "occasionally" or "not often enough" choice

[Hotrauder]

Here is my definition of the "Crown Vic Effect"

The effect that driving a Crown Vic platform vehicle has on other drivers which causes them to A) move to the right lane or B) drive slower. Said "Crown Vic Effect" is directly related to the fact that LEO's drive Crown Vics and, because of this, the average motorist drives differently around a Crown Vic until they can determine that it is not a law enforcement vehicle.

Do you think that your Marauder enables you to take advantage of the "Crown Vic Effect"? YES or NO.

Best,

DanMy Silver Birch Crown Vic (2003) moved traffic from the 1st. and in a lot of states. 3 trips of the entire Length of the east coast this year alone. Florida to Maine. I even went through 2 radar traps in Va. under very light traffic conditions and the LEO's waved to me as I went by at well over the complimentary 10. I added a Ford EOM Smoke Colored Bug Deflector to the front edge above the grill and the effect was even more noticeable in every day traffic. I am in Fl. now and in the area where MM are in use and my DTR MM only occasionally gets a check out and rarely moves the LL bandits. I do find that the street racin ricers give the car a cautious once over as they have doubtlessly had more negative experiences than the average motorist. I did have a Leo (sherriff) checking out my MM at a truckstop on I4 a couple of weeks ago. Wanted to know if it was one of the new cruisers. I told him it was a cruiser but not State owned. He had a lot of questions and I gave Him a mm.net CARD. Nice guy. Sorry for the bloviating. My answer is yes and no:beer:

ps: I hadn't thought about it but I would bet that the addition of soon to be installed DTR on Chrome Grill from Zack the magician will change the RVM look into a more CV appearance and maybe I will get more of the open road opportunity in the left lane. I will let you know. :burnout:

[BruteForce]

Effect is further amplified when running with a pack of black/blue & DTR CVPIs. Ask me how I know.

[94_302]

Yup my MM has that effect. I noticed it on the second day of ownership driving from on the highway for 5 hours. People would get out of my way. Enter the highway at a high rate of speed see me in the rear view mirror and slam on the breaks. Follow my every pass and rate of speed. Or if I was in the left lane doing 75 they would slow down to 70 exactly until they could get out of my way I think that was the only point that it got annoying. The other times it was entertaining. Oh it helps if you have sunglassess on. I think I may have to pick up some of those big Cop sunglassess. :coolman:

[RCSignals]

The so called 'Crown Vic effect' is all in your head, Walter

[marauder307]

I think the "CVE" is real, and thus I voted yes. But I want to put a qualifier on my "yes"...It may just be particular to Hawaii, but folks around here either slow down to a ridiculous crawl (which does no good because it jams up traffic even worse than it already is) or they run (which is even worse, because Hawaiian drivers have no comprehension of any speed above, oh, say, 45 mph, and therefore they end up running over somebody). Case in point: Merely trying to get to work this morning...I get jumped by a green Mustang GT, last-generation model. Driver was some seriously scraggly-lookin' Hawaiian native type who'd probably been hitting his pineapple mash a bit hard, and visibly thought that the big black car he was tangling with was "da cops" and wanted to show how brave he could be.

I won't tell you what happened next...suffice it to say, I was feeling a bit peevish...but it goes to show that the Crown Vic Effect is a palpable thing and you can get a pretty wide range of reactions.

[Dan]

The so called 'Crown Vic effect' is all in your head, Walter

Thanks for checking in, Walter.

I am willing to question whether or not it "is in my head" so long as anyone else is willing to question whether or not it "is not in their head." :)

But seriously, the reason for this thread is to determine how the community feels about the assertion that it is real or not real. It is fine for you to feel that it is not real. We are all entitled to agree or disagree.

I hope that you voted. If so, thanks. :up:

Best,

Dan

[Dan]

where is the "occasionally" or "not often enough" choice

Good question, Steven. I guess for it to be occasionally or not often enough it would have to be real, right? :up:

Best,

Dan

[Dan]

Or if I was in the left lane doing 75 they would slow down to 70 exactly until they could get out of my way I think that was the only point that it got annoying.

In spite of how it usually is I too, find it occasionally annoying. For me it most often occurs at night when I am on a secondary road. I have found that people will stick to the limit the entire time. A recent trip to VT made this more evident to me than ever.

Of course, there are a lot of people who actually do follow the underposted limits of more of our back roads so in this case I might be confusing the CVE for what is actually happening.

Best,

Dan

PS: I took it in stride since the 3 hour highway drive was clearly made quicker by the CVE. :)

[nslatin]

I also find that zooming up on drivers hanging out in the left lane seem to add to the CVE.

Neal

[RCSignals]

I also find that zooming up on drivers hanging out in the left lane seem to add to the CVE.

Neal


Zooming up on drivers hanging out in the left lane while driving any vehicle will have that effect, unless the driver is asleep. Sometimes even an fully lit up emergency vehicle has no effect!

[RCSignals]

Thanks for checking in, Walter.

I am willing to question whether or not it "is in my head" so long as anyone else is willing to question whether or not it "is not in their head." :)

But seriously, the reason for this thread is to determine how the community feels about the assertion that it is real or not real. It is fine for you to feel that it is not real. We are all entitled to agree or disagree.

I hope that you voted. If so, thanks. :up:

Best,

Dan

The thought that your percieved 'CVE' is imagined really seems to bother you, Walt.
Just keep in your Walter state and you'll be happy.
:)

[Dan]

The thought that your percieved 'CVE' is imagined really seems to bother you, Walt.
Just keep in your Walter state and you'll be happy.
:)

Dear Mrs. Mitty,

I believe that I could surely say that same exact thing about you, no? Regardless, I must ask that you cease your nagging me on this subject. I have planes to land, ships to sail and billion dollar "private track" deals to finance. Your interruptions are doing nothing but taking me away from those things which are much more exciting.

Now, please, just go get your hair done and leave it alone.

Most devotedly,

Walter (your hen-pecked husband)

[Dan]

Mrs. Mitty,

One more thing. Thank you for directing me to such an interesting literary diversion. We can discuss this more in another thread, if you like, but let's allow this one to get back on track, shall we? :)

Best,

Walter

[Captain Steve]

It's real enough, I'm not sure I love it though. It balances out in my opinion. For every moron in the left lane that moves over when I'm overtaking them, there's a moron in the left lane that suddenly slows to exactly the speed limit and just stays there.

[Blackened300a]

From my experiences, I have absolutely scared a few people into driving the speed limit.
I had a lady pass me doing 75mph on the cross island as I was getting on, I quickly got up to speed and pulled in right behind her, she had that "OH MY GOD" look in her eyes as she was staring at me in her rear view! She quickly slowed down to 55 and I even saw her reach ever so slowly to put her seat belt on! I stayed behind her for about a mile or so, then I changed lanes, pulled along side her, made eye contact, she smiled and did the sign language for having a heart attack.
She was nice about it but, I had 2 dudes in a BMW get absolutely pissed when I came up behind them as they were doing 80mph. All I saw was the driver staring at me in his rear view and the passenger was staring at me in the side view, I stayed with them til they slowed to 60mph, stayed with them for a mile then changed lanes, only to have the driver bang his steering wheel and flip me off!
I even had 2 police officers pull up next to me thinking I was a detective, I politely waved and wished them a good night.
Most of the time I get people changing lanes as I come up behind them (75mph is normal for me) the ones who don't, tend to get the fear put in them, and some others don't seem to care.

All and all, its fun to do our part to keep the speeders slowed down when the real LEO's aren't around!

[Dan]

From My Experiences, I have Absolutely Scared a Few People into Driving the Speed Limit, I Like doing it on Purpose!
I had a Lady Pass me Doing 75mph on the Cross Island as I was Getting On, I quickly Got up to Speed and Pulled in Right behind Her, She had that "OH MY GOD" Look in her eyes as she was Staring at me In her RearView! She Quickly Slowed Down to 55 and I even seen Her Reach Ever So Slowly to Put her Seat Belt On! I stayed Behind her for about a Mile or So, Then I Changed Lanes, Pulled Along Side Her, Made Eye Contact, She Smiled and did the Sign Language for having a Heart attack lol
She Was Nice About it, I had 2 dudes in a BMW get Absolutely Pissed when I came up Behind them as they were doing 80mph. All I saw Was the Driver Staring at me in his RearView and The Passenger Was Staring at me in the SideView, I stayed with them til they slowed to 60mph, Stayed with them for a Mile then changed Lanes, Only to have the Driver Bang his Steering Wheel and Flip me off! lol
I even had 2 Police officers Pull up next to me Thinking I was a Detective, I Polietly Waved and Wished them a Good Night.
Most of the Time I get People Changing Lanes as I come up behind them (75mph is Normal for me) The Ones Who Don't, Tend to Get the Fear Put in them, Some others dont Seem to Care.

All and All, Its Fun to do our Part to Keep the Speeders slowed down when the Real LEO's arent Around!

I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post!

Best,

Mr. Mitty :)

[Shaft333]

I know it's real... First hand. I am extra good whenever I am around a Crown Vic that I'm uncertain of. Same goes for newer Impalas.

[Alan]

From My Experiences, I have Absolutely Scared a Few People into Driving the Speed Limit, I Like doing it on Purpose!
I had a Lady Pass me Doing 75mph on the Cross Island as I was Getting On, I quickly Got up to Speed and Pulled in Right behind Her, She had that "OH MY GOD" Look in her eyes as she was Staring at me In her RearView! She Quickly Slowed Down to 55 and I even seen Her Reach Ever So Slowly to Put her Seat Belt On! I stayed Behind her for about a Mile or So, Then I Changed Lanes, Pulled Along Side Her, Made Eye Contact, She Smiled and did the Sign Language for having a Heart attack lol
She Was Nice About it, I had 2 dudes in a BMW get Absolutely Pissed when I came up Behind them as they were doing 80mph. All I saw Was the Driver Staring at me in his RearView and The Passenger Was Staring at me in the SideView, I stayed with them til they slowed to 60mph, Stayed with them for a Mile then changed Lanes, Only to have the Driver Bang his Steering Wheel and Flip me off! lol
I even had 2 Police officers Pull up next to me Thinking I was a Detective, I Polietly Waved and Wished them a Good Night.
Most of the Time I get People Changing Lanes as I come up behind them (75mph is Normal for me) The Ones Who Don't, Tend to Get the Fear Put in them, Some others dont Seem to Care.

All and All, Its Fun to do our Part to Keep the Speeders slowed down when the Real LEO's arent Around!

I know you say it's all in fun and I'm sure you truly mean no harm...but I can't say that this is a good idea. I mean no harm and am NOT coming down on you nor do I mean to come across as "I know better than you". Please don't take it that way.

I hope this is more of a tongue-in-cheek story, but don't be surprised if this behavior gets you in hot water one day. If you're speeding up and getting right behind people to put a little scare into them...you're risking your own safety and the safety of those around you on the roadway. You admit speeding, carelessly switching lanes, and following too closely only to turn around and say you're "doing your part to keep the speeders slowed down when the real LEOs aren't around". You might want to re-evalute this behavior. I'd hate to called to an accident that you were involved in to find out it was caused by you trying to "scare someone".

Just some friendly advice from a real LEO.

[Ezbok58a]

While it does exist, I vote no.

It depends on the time of day and the traffic on the road.
I find more people move out of my way at night and Dusk than in full daylight.

It depends on how stupid/paranoid the persons around you are.

I still wonder why some think my car is a squad car, I have fuzzy dice hanging from the mirror a kenny from South Park Keychain and a Skeleton keychain hanging from the mirror (unless the morons think its a camera that is fuzzy and sways:rolleyes: )

Plus my aluminum 5 spokes on the car and the loud exhaust, yet they still seem to behave themselves, it annoys me sometimes.

[Blackened300a]

I know you say it's all in fun and I'm sure you truly mean no harm...but I can't say that this is a good idea. I mean no harm and am NOT coming down on you nor do I mean to come across as "I know better than you". Please don't take it that way.

I hope this is more of a tongue-in-cheek story, but don't be surprised if this behavior gets you in hot water one day. If you're speeding up and getting right behind people to put a little scare into them...you're risking your own safety and the safety of those around you on the roadway. You admit speeding, carelessly switching lanes, and following too closely only to turn around and say you're "doing your part to keep the speeders slowed down when the real LEOs aren't around". You might want to re-evalute this behavior. I'd hate to called to an accident that you were involved in to find out it was caused by you trying to "scare someone".

Just some friendly advice from a real LEO.
Where does it state in my TRUE story that I "carelessly" changed lanes? I also do not tail gate. You made me out to be someone who is running people off the road or getting on someone's bumper for fun. Did these events happen?, absolutely, happen all the time? no. I also do not speed or weave in and out of lanes on small highways or side streets. These events took place on 4 lane freeways where doing 65, even 70MPH is the norm. I'm well aware of accidents and dangers. I didn't get my license yesterday. Not to mention that I drive a tractor trailer in NYC as well, that alone requires driving skill, patience, and common sense. This thread was questioning whether or not people respond to seeing a Marauder in their rear view as if its a LEO, not a lecture on how to drive.

Just a friendly reply from a law abiding citizen

[Alan]

PM sent.

I think you missed the first part of my post:
"I know you say it's all in fun and I'm sure you truly mean no harm...but I can't say that this is a good idea. I mean no harm and am NOT coming down on you nor do I mean to come across as "I know better than you". Please don't take it that way."

I was not scolding you. Just pointing out some facts from the story you posted and am hoping that you'll be safe. It appears that you usually are. That's great. Kudos for you, my friend.

It's hard to understand my intent through the written word since it's hard to show emotions. I was not lecturing you like a child. I really just want you to be safe out there. Nothing more...nothing less.

:beer:

[Blackened300a]

PM sent.

I think you missed the first part of my post:
"I know you say it's all in fun and I'm sure you truly mean no harm...but I can't say that this is a good idea. I mean no harm and am NOT coming down on you nor do I mean to come across as "I know better than you". Please don't take it that way."

I was not scolding you. Just pointing out some facts from the story you posted and am hoping that you'll be safe. It appears that you usually are. That's great. Kudos for you, my friend.

It's hard to understand my intent through the written word since it's hard to show emotions. I was not lecturing you like a child. I really just want you to be safe out there. Nothing more...nothing less.

:beer:
PM read and PM returned
All good in the neighborhood here :beer:

[Alan]

Blackened300a,

Sir, you are a true gentleman.
(And now...back to our regularly scheduled poll/thread)

[SergntMac]

Zooming up on drivers hanging out in the left lane while driving any vehicle will have that effect, unless the driver is asleep. Sometimes even an fully lit up emergency vehicle has no effect! This is so very very true, Duncan, thank you.

I have over 30 years of driving emergency vehicles under my belt, both urban and suburban territories. High congestion traffic to no traffic backwoods. High dollar neighborhoods with manicured acres to low rent marinated alleys.

I have responded to every emergency call there is. From traffic chases with a 97 year old low blood sugar deaf mute who just didn't know we were behind him, to real deal, a "Toe-Cutter" like criminal without hope. "BillyBob" now wanted for multiple domestic murders, who now believes he's "not going down alive". Don't forget the routine crime in progress runs, and the most serious call of all..."Officer down". Yep, and I've been the officer down too. I've seen my rescuers arrive, and know what they did to get to me.

I've blocked traffic at crime and disaster scenes, and a few times in knee deep water, as well as knee deep snow. I've escorted "executives in protection", back to back with prisoners of the State under lawful death penalty, and likewise under a "contract" for their immediate demise before we get him to a judge. I've transported explosives, and bombs undefined, even nuclear devices. Only once was I in my Kilt (full military), so, you name it, I drove through it.

IMHO...By and large, America's drivers are mostly asleep behind the wheel, or, don't care about what's going on around them until you're in their face. The stories posted here prove this to be true.

Most drivers do not recognize any danger until it's upon them, and in a very personal way. They do (cannot?) not see flashing lights of any temperature or frequency, or, hear (pay attention to) high decible warning devices until my **** is so bright and so loud, they they are forced to recognize this intrusion into their personal space and therefore forced to respond to this stimulis. IMHO, folks do not care, or, do not feel a need to pay any attention to any emergency vehicle until you "stick a gun up their nose."

Yep...It's that bad, in general terms. The slang among cops around me, is "running code", and I have had easier and faster times getting where I wanted, or, needed to be NOT running code, than I have running full tilt. "Run silent, run deep" works. Making a show of it, only makes things worse.

I can do a better LEO job with a "plain jane" appearance in traffic, than not, but this is borderline acceptable LEO behavior in America, where our Constitution prevails..."All LEOs should be in uniform, and identifiable at the instant". Problem is, it's their "instant", not mine.

Today's motorist believes he is safe in his own private cocoon, and he believes he has a (yet to be legally defined) "right of way" for his cocoon on the public way. He feels so despite any external warning from LEOs, and whether or not for his own safety. To coin a phrase from the film "Midnight Cowboy", but pervert it just a tad for my purpose here..."Hey! I'm driving here!" prevails, IMHO.

"CVE"? I don't believe in any such thing, and I've been driving Panther police cars since my Department bought it's last 91C. Perhaps this "CVE" exists in the minds of those who wish to exploit this advantage as a side-effect of owning/driving a Panther framed automobile, however, as we see in the posts in this thread to date, there is an added pastel of driving aggressive against other motorist, which produces the same effect.

CV/PI, or, not. Run up fast behind and zero in on any motorist in traffic, and they will react to your presence. Once they find out you are not any LEO, be prepared for their reaction, which may be hostile, which we do not likewise see posted here.

I've driven my MM all over the country, and yes, I have benefitted from "waves" and "passes" from other LEOs on patrol. I believe this is more the product of my courtesy and respect towards them, than my "panther-cop car" symbolism.

These cops may not know exactly who I am, or, what the MM is, but they have bigger fish to fry than me. Though I do speed OTR, I do so safely, and I know how to react to the cruiser lurking in the center grass, or, on the entrance ramp hilltop in my mirror. Moreover, the really crafty jurisdictions with traffic-dedicated patrols looking more "sporty" than I, i.e. Mustangs, Camaros, Escalades, Trailblazers, even a Volvo!, I sometimes think they are happy to use my presence on my OTR trip to their benefit. You have to listen to the CB after all, eh?

"CVE"? Nope. Not happening for me. As an automobile many others motorist cannot define, yeah...They wonder, maybe slow down to admire me and my MM, happens all the time. But, I can't control what others think, or, if they wonder if I may be a LEO, or, not.

I am, but not what/who they should be watching for. Neither can I super-impose, or, imagine that they think I am until I blast up on their sorry azz, and act mean towards them in traffic. It's all in their minds, yes. But, we all know we can trigger this train of thought, when we want to.

Gawd forbid when it's an off duty LEO y'all trump, I've called in a few myself, and with quick satisfaction, like before I approached my exit ramp.

This topic, this whole thread stinks of "wanna-be".

Y'all wanna-be a LEO in traffic so bad?

New Orleans is taking applications, go walk a mile in my boots...

[Joe Walsh]

Oh the 'CVE' is real all right!
I hadn't had my MM a month when I'm driving down the middle lane of a 3 lane highway at night and I see a foreign car* closing in the left hand lane at an incredible rate...
*I could tell by the bright blue projector beam headlights.
As the car closes to within about 50 yards he sees my MM taillights and drops anchor!
He hit the brakes SO HARD that I expected his front valence to start sparking on the pavement!!
He then slowly, slowly, slowly closes the remaining gap until he is just off my rear quarter. I can see that it is a big Mercedes, and once he sees my Megs and 18" rims he punches it and goes blasting by. :D

[RCSignals]

Excellent post Mac. Thanks. Hopefully others will read and digest it well.

[RCSignals]

Dear Mrs. Mitty,

I believe that I could surely say that same exact thing about you, no? Regardless, I must ask that you cease your nagging me on this subject. I have planes to land, ships to sail and billion dollar "private track" deals to finance. Your interruptions are doing nothing but taking me away from those things which are much more exciting.

Now, please, just go get your hair done and leave it alone.

Most devotedly,

Walter (your hen-pecked husband)


Mrs. Mitty,

One more thing. Thank you for directing me to such an interesting literary diversion. We can discuss this more in another thread, if you like, but let's allow this one to get back on track, shall we?

Best,

Walter

Poor poor Walt. Don't be so upset.

This conversation is on track. (you can get back to your trains now)

and: "I believe that I could surely say that same exact thing about you, no?" NO, you'd be mistaken :lol:

[Paul T. Casey]

I voted yes. The effect is real, but I do NOT love it. I bought a Marauder to get noticed as a "hot rodder", not a wannabe cop. It discourages me that people just don't recognize late model American muscle. It also dicourages me that the average driver is so stupid that he would think a car with Rhode Island tags would be a LEO in say Utah (or any other state). Maybe it's time for some inserts to help these peoplle out. I sense a small element of danger when someone comes up on me at 80 mph, then suddenly hits their brakes and dives in behind me.

[2003_MM_FYRE49]

This topic, this whole thread stinks of "wanna-be".

Y'all wanna-be a LEO in traffic so bad?

New Orleans is taking applications, go walk a mile in my boots...Mac, well said! I could not agree with you more.

Another thing that I have found when driving the Fire Buggy around town, which is a Crown Vic, when I am behind someone they immediately slow down and move to the right lane. As soon as they see it is a fire department vehicle and not a police vehicle they revert to the driving that they were doing beforehand as if to say your just a fireman, you can't do anything to me. To me that is just complete and utter disrespect for the law.

[Marauder386]

What really scares me is on the I-95 racetrack...too many times I have seen in my mirrors, 18 wheelers hawlin azz in the RH lane, see me, lock um up and do a slight jackknife. They are screaming on the 27.185mhz about a plain black wrapper clogging up the lane then go zooming past. I have HAD to revert to staying in the hammer lane just above speed limit to keep these hozers from wiping out the SoccerMoms with their full minivans.

:coolman:

[Fastronald]

I normally drive my 93' Crown Vicki and from time to time people slow down or hesitate at the sight of the car. Once they see it's not an unmarked car, off they go.

[Dan]

What really scares me is on the I-95 racetrack...too many times I have seen in my mirrors, 18 wheelers hawlin azz in the RH lane, see me, lock um up and do a slight jackknife. They are screaming on the 27.185mhz about a plain black wrapper clogging up the lane then go zooming past. I have HAD to revert to staying in the hammer lane just above speed limit to keep these hozers from wiping out the SoccerMoms with their full minivans.

:coolman:

Ahh, evidence. I experienced the same exact thing when driving my Marauder home from the midwest. I plugged in my CB as soon as I got the keys from the new owner and I recall hearing very similar CB traffic from the truckers.

To me, this evidence is kind of hard to ignore.

Regardless, I'd like to thank all of those who have voted and given their opinions. It is appreciated. I don't know how it will be on the third when the poll ends. Truthfully, I never expected this to be so one sided.

Best,

Dan

[Dan]

Poor poor Walt. Don't be so upset.

This conversation is on track. (you can get back to your trains now)

and: "I believe that I could surely say that same exact thing about you, no?" NO, you'd be mistaken :lol:

RC,

As is the case with everything, we all have and are entitled to our opinions. What we can hope for is that we can share those opinions without insult or ill will.

I prefer not to debate any assertions, yours or mine, about who is feeling what or why. I feel that could too easily cause this thread to go in an unfriendly direction.

If my calling you Mrs. Mitty somehow insulted you, I sincerely apologize. It was intended to be in the same humorous spirit that I assumed you used when calling me Walter. I hope that I was not misreading you.

Best,

Dan

[SergntMac]

Ahh, evidence. I experienced the same exact thing when driving my Marauder home from the midwest. I plugged in my CB as soon as I got the keys from the new owner and I recall hearing very similar CB traffic from the truckers.

To me, this evidence is kind of hard to ignore. No it's not hard to ignore, Dan, and you're adding an additional consideration to your initial question.

I too, listen to a CB when traveling OTR, and I've heard some very funny explanations for my MM. But, this is from truckers and others reporting my presence, folks who are on the lookout for LEOs. I took your question to exclude them, and consider this "CVE" upon average motorists not on guard. No harm done though.

Dan, thanks for your note, sir. Let me say that in no way is my previous post focused on you, or, your rationale. I have a feeling I know a bit about you from your posts here, and you're good in my book.

However, there is a larger segment of the public at large who does intend to impersonate a LEO, the Crown Vic nets are full of them, and I've read some very disappointing posts. This was on my mind when I replied to your poll, I am not taking any cheap shots at you. I know you're very active in local LE events in your community, and motivated citizens like yourself strengthen the bond between cops and civilians. We are here to serve, and we do need your help. Keep in mind, not all supporters of LE are there for the giving, they want to get something out of it too. These are dangerous minds, and they often go too far. You, sir, are not included, and I apologize if I left this impression. That said, back to the topic.

Was a time in my history as a LEO, that my uniform included a thin white stripe down the outside of my pants leg (called piping), and a plain round crown cap (typical of city police). There is a large market of uniformed security guards in Chicago, and they all wore uniforms modeled after the city's police uniform. Did I say "modeled"? That's being kind, copied is more accurate.

When the Department grew tired of the impersonation and subsequent confusion of guard vs. cop, they pulled the white strip and added a checkered hat band to the uniform cap. Guess what? You bet, the security guard marker followed suit. Well, the checkered hat band is copyrighted by the Department, and permission is necessary from the Superintendent's office (including movie companies filming in Chicago) for it's display. Now, most of the guards wear generic baseball caps that say "police", or, don't wear hats at all.

My point is, is that some folks enjoy looking like the police when they are not, and their actions are borderline illegal impersonation. IMHO, this is intentional, and not a chance "effect" of their choice in clothing. Some folks accomplish this with their choice of automobiles too, yes? I can't agree to the "effect" of something that is intentional, manipulated, and desired. So, no "CVE", IMHO.

[Dave Compson]

[QUOTE=SergntMac]
"CVE"? I don't believe in any such thing, and I've been driving Panther police cars since my Department bought it's last 91C. Perhaps this "CVE" exists in the minds of those who wish to exploit this advantage as a side-effect of owning/driving a Panther framed automobile, however, as we see in the posts in this thread to date, there is an added pastel of driving aggressive against other motorist, which produces the same effect.

CV/PI, or, not. Run up fast behind and zero in on any motorist in traffic, and they will react to your presence. Once they find out you are not any LEO, be prepared for their reaction, which may be hostile, which we do not likewise see posted here.



Here here Sgtmac! I agree!

[RCSignals]

RC,

As is the case with everything, we all have and are entitled to our opinions. What we can hope for is that we can share those opinions without insult or ill will.

I prefer not to debate any assertions, yours or mine, about who is feeling what or why. I feel that could too easily cause this thread to go in an unfriendly direction.

If my calling you Mrs. Mitty somehow insulted you, I sincerely apologize. It was intended to be in the same humorous spirit that I assumed you used when calling me Walter. I hope that I was not misreading you.

Best,

Dan


Don't worry Dave, it's all in fun, as I think was your intention in starting this "Poll".

Calling me Mrs Mitty could not insult me. I didn't think it was your intention.
You realised Mrs Mitty did not share Walters affliction I guessed?

Anyway, I'm sure you do realise the WME is real, and is not always innocent.

No harm, no fowl :beer:

[Dan]

Mac,

Thanks for your reply. It is appreciated and I am very glad that I chose to private message you on the matter.

My thought on the CVE RE: truckers v. civilians was simply that if it has an impact on that segment of the motoring public then it must also flow to the general populace as well.

Anyway, I appreciated your explanation about the uniforms and figured you were CPD long before you said it due to the checkerboard band on the cap. It is funny, now that I think of it, because a number of movies filmed in Chicago have acters who are playing LEO's in a uniform that didn't look quite right. Now that I know it is a copyrighted symbol I will watch future movies with more awareness.

Dan

[Dan]

Don't worry Dave, it's all in fun, as I think was your intention in starting this "Poll".

Calling me Mrs Mitty could not insult me. I didn't think it was your intention.
You realised Mrs Mitty did not share Walters affliction I guessed?

Anyway, I'm sure you do realise the WME is real, and is not always innocent.

No harm, no fowl :beer:


First Walter, now DAVE???? :) Are you still pulling my leg? :P

Actually, I was relfecting more on the nagging aspect of Mrs. Mitty's character when I referred to you as her. :) Sorry, but I did want to clear up any confusion. As I write this I am laughing because now I don't know what type of reply I am going to get from you. :)

By the WME, do you mean that people are sometimes one person in their minds when they are other things in real life? Yes, I'll agree. And to the point that it is not always innocent, I don't know what you mean, really. Please clarify.

Let's take this discussion of Walter Mitty to private message, ok? I would like to go into it a bit more with you but not at the suffrage of others in this forum who would probably see that we stick more closely to the topic.

Would you mind clarifying about motives (innocent or not) in a PM? If not, then I look forward to your reply.

Best,

Dan

[Ryans PI]

Oh it's real. Happens to me almost all the time on I-5. Sometimes it's nice and other times it sucks.

When they move out of the fast lane is nice, but when they slow down when in front of me, or slows down besides me and gets in my blind spots sucks.

In fact, just this moring when on I-5 going to chrurch, a big pack of bikers were taking up every lane on the freeway going north. It slowed down a bunch of motorist and everyone was now in a big group. All the cars in the fast lane moved over and let me past them. Soon enough when I was behind one of the group of bikers, they all moved over to the 3rd lane and became one large group.

[dwasson]

The effect isn't always good though. Some drivers (and most drivers in Ohio) don't move over, they slow down. This can eliminate the benefits of the "CVE".

[RCSignals]

Dan Dan Dan, All is good. no?

You can PM me if you really want, but you don't need my pernission. :)

[RCSignals]

Oh it's real. Happens to me almost all the time on I-5. Sometimes it's nice and other times it sucks.

When they move out of the fast lane is nice, but when they slow down when in front of me, or slows down besides me and gets in my blind spots sucks.

In fact, just this moring when on I-5 going to chrurch, a big pack of bikers were taking up every lane on the freeway going north. It slowed down a bunch of motorist and everyone was now in a big group. All the cars in the fast lane moved over and let me past them. Soon enough when I was behind one of the group of bikers, they all moved over to the 3rd lane and became one large group.
Ryan, I'm getting the distinct impression the 'CVE' is strongest amoungst those between the ages of 16 and 25.

Watch out for those bikers, if their colours say anything but 'Bikers for Christ' or something like 'Veterans of Foreign Wars'

[BillyGman]

Dan, I believe that there IS a CV effect, but I didn't vote in your poll simply because I do NOT like that "effect" at all, and it has absolutely nothing to do with me purchasing my Marauder. I still believe that if anyone purchased their Marauder because of a CV effect then they're wanna-be cops (and I have nothing against most cops).


So because there wasn't any option in your poll to vote yes w/out stating that "I LUV" the CV "effect" then I didn't vote. The fact is that I hate that "effect" so much, that when I see people becoming more cautious with their driving habits as soon as they come close to my car, then I open up the throttle a little bit to let them hear the headers so that they can hear for themselves that my Marauder is NOT a cop car, and so they can just go ahead and pass me once I let off the go pedal (and that usually works).

[RCSignals]

Billy, I'm not so sure with you it's a CV 'effect' or your smoky reputation ;)

[BillyGman]

Billy, I'm not so sure with you it's a CV 'effect' or your smoky reputation ;) LOL......your words are probably weightier than you think.....I occasionally have people who I don't even know walk by me and say.."Nice burnout video"..:eek:

[Dan]

Aged 40 here.

[Breadfan]

CVE is definitely real. I get alot more respect in this car than my last car, a lot less tailgating, and even find myself rolling in the slow lane just cruising and look over to see the fast lanes cruising in formation behind me...what else could that be but the CVE?

Now, in case there isn't enough controversy, I'm going to say something that is purely opinion but based on what I've seen. I don't mean to offend any women here, but it's honestly what I've noticed.

I've noticed the CV effect doesn't work as well on women. Either they can't recognize a crown vic as easily or they don't seem to care about speeding as much. My dad has a CVPI and noticed the same thing independently.

When I get passed by a speeder and they show complete disregard that I may or may not be a cop, the majority of times it's a woman. (I'm referring to when I am crusing at or near the speed limit and am passed by someone coming up behind...this has nothing to do with trying to incite better behavior through agressive driving...which I do not condone.)

Yes I said it, I'm sorry, but it's based purely on observation and not intended to be disrespectful.

Am I the only one who noticed that?

[gpfarrell]

Mark me down for yes.

I'm not a big fan of it, but I don't really mind the CVE either.

I think its important to realize it though... so folks are clueless, others are paranoid and they might react a bit differently to our cars.

I think little details can sway things... like the sunglasses mentioned above. I've kept one of those white oval / european wannabe stickers (think OBX / HH, IRL, etc) on the back of our car to reduce the effect. I don't want speeders approaching from behind to slow, I want them out front as sacrificial rabbits!

The driving lights are another issue, especially at night.

One time while on a private track that closely resembled the Pennyslvania Turnpike, I imagined I was late to pick up our son from day care. Traffic was moderately heavy and it was dark out. I killed the driving lights and drove the MM like I had diplomatic immunity... 18 wheelers were leaping out of my way like never before and I made better time than I could have in our Porsche. I didn't have the CB in the car, but I'm sure they were talking about me!

Lastly, in broad day light in South Carolina I've heard truckers call my Blue MM with ordinary PA plates an unmarked car... it did have a CB antenea on the trunk, but it also had my wife in the passenger seat and our baby in the back... so I'll vote yes.

[Breadfan]

"CVE"? I don't believe in any such thing, and I've been driving Panther police cars since my Department bought it's last 91C. Perhaps this "CVE" exists in the minds of those who wish to exploit this advantage as a side-effect of owning/driving a Panther framed automobile, however, as we see in the posts in this thread to date, there is an added pastel of driving aggressive against other motorist, which produces the same effect.

CV/PI, or, not. Run up fast behind and zero in on any motorist in traffic, and they will react to your presence. Once they find out you are not any LEO, be prepared for their reaction, which may be hostile, which we do not likewise see posted here.

I've driven my MM all over the country, and yes, I have benefitted from "waves" and "passes" from other LEOs on patrol. I believe this is more the product of my courtesy and respect towards them, than my "panther-cop car" symbolism.

...

"CVE"? Nope. Not happening for me. As an automobile many others motorist cannot define, yeah...They wonder, maybe slow down to admire me and my MM, happens all the time. But, I can't control what others think, or, if they wonder if I may be a LEO, or, not.
Mac,

I really appreciate the personal sacrifice you have made as a public servant, and I appreciate the fact that you have remained dutiful to your post even with the poor treatment most of our citizens probably give you and your fellow officers.

At the same time, I think you may be dismissing CVE too quickly, or at least seeing it a different way than I am.

CVE to me is real and has nothing to do with "me". I drive my MM the same as I've driven every car I've owned. (Albiet with more skill since my early days...but that goes without saying!!)

I have noticed a VERY big difference in the demeanor of my fellow drivers since getting this car. I live in N. VA where tailgating and agressive driving is the norm for most. I have suffered through it for years. I have been tailgated ruthelessly, I have been honked at, flipped off, and even cut off, approached, and verbally threatened. No matter what some may wish to think of that, very rarely were these incidents directly caused by my actions.

There may have been a few occasions where I made a mistake driving and caused someone to flip me off for coming into their space or making a wrong turn. Everyone has done that once or twice. So long as it's once or twice and you identify your mistake, consider what you did wrong, and solve the problem so it doesn't happen twice you are doing good in my book.

When I was approached and verbally threatened it was some jackass who thought I was trying to cut in line at a merge when I was merely trying to get into the left turn lane to grab a bite to eat at the restaraunt across the road. He blocked my path in the left lane before the turn lane. I honked, motioned where I was going, and was still blocked and had my efforts to correct his misunderstanding returned with a middle finger. I squeezed around him and went on my way. In that turn lane I saw this fine specimen of humanity coming up beside me at a very high rate of speed, spinning out in front of me to cut off my path. Jumped out, told me he would kill me if I ever did that again. (I wont even go into my local LEO's response when I reported the incident, it went sort of like "just get over it.")

My point being that agressive driving is all around me and more times than not I do nothing to provoke it. If I do provoke it, it's largely either purely by a mistake or unintentional consequence of going about my business and someone elses bad attitude.

So as I said, I have suffered for years with this sort of driving environment.

Since buying my MM I have not changed, but something magic happened. I have been largely removed from this sort of agressive driving. People are much more courteous. I'm very rarely tailgated. I'm very rarely passed on the right, cut off, etc.

Considering the majority of my fellow drivers are in Camry's and Accord's and don't know the first thing about cars, I highly doubt they are being courteous to compliment my fine taste in automobiles. (Though I wish it were so!)

I first experieneced CVE when my dad got his CVPI. He got a good deal on it, and bought it for it's durability, utilitly, and service record, and price. He quickly discovered CVE and I noticed it too driving with him. (But at the same time this was a decomissioned unmarked detective car with a spotlight.)

Before I got my MM I borrowed his CV to get home one night when my Grand Am was in the shop. I immediately noticed a very different attitude from my fellow drivers.

Once I got my MM it continued, although at a somewhat lesser extent. Many of the smarter drivers knew it was a Marauder, or at least a black Grand Marquis.

Even still CVE is real. I have NOT changed my driving habits yet there has been a drastic decrease in agressive driving around my car. What else could this be?

It's certainly not 100%, and maybe not even 50%, but a definite measurable difference in the attitude of drivers around my MM opposed my other cars. Removing other variables and citing that they are not being changed enough to make a differenct (variables such as driving habits) and I can only conclude that CVE does exist to some extent.

Again, I'm not trying to belittle you or your job, I very much respect what you do and wish all of society had the same respect for LEO's. At the same time, I disagree that CVE can be dismissed -- atleast where I drive there is definitely an effect, and NO I am not the one bringing this affect on by driving aggressively around my fellow driver trying to exhibit some sort of power.

Just my $.02 as to why I believe it exists, and why I believe it can exist without driving dangerously or trying to tap into some non-existant power.

Cheers and thank you again for your sacrifices for our society as a LEO.

[Dan]

It's funny but I have noticed that the CVE has a lesser effect on the ladies, too.

That is all I have to comment on, my personal observation. To say more might be suicide. :)

Dan

[StevenJ]

All the woman that have entered my car have ended up loving it. Especially hispanic/ black woman. They love the low rider look. Other comments have all been about the comfortable leather seats. As far as the effect. I notice it sometimes. I actually had a woman flip out on me one time. I think she stole her dad's truck and she saw me behind me and she flipped out! She started going 80+ mph on a 45 mph public road to get away from me! I'm serious! I followed her for a mile and a half to see what her problem was! She must of been coked up or something. Damn kids and their drugs! They should know that stuff causes unnecessary paranoia j/k.

[SergntMac]

It's been said here, that the opening post and poll do not offer sufficient flexibility suitable for a poll. I'm sure others passed on voting, at least BillyG explained his frustration, stating he wanted to answer "yes", but didn't like the "I love it" associated with that choice. I agree, I was not keen on the choices myself.

I think I've read every post from Dan at this site, and was somewhat surprised that he left this so narrow in choice. I didn't vote for the same reasons.

I went on to absorb other posts, to see what would rise to the surface from such a narrow choice. I was disappointed by what I read. As I shared with Dan via e-mail, that this specific issue i.e. folks who buy and build police-looking automobiles for their own benefit, has caused a lot of tension and disruption at other sites. Intentional LEO impersonation is a volatile topic elsewhere on the web.

I posted my thoughts, and drew my conclusion, voting accordingly. It's just one vote, and just my opinion, and I added some of my background and experience simply to share my own personal perspective. (BTW, I have worked in IAD too, investigating LEO impersonators). This is not to say other and contrary opinions are not acceptable. Most certainly they are acceptable, and this is what our membership here is all about. Dan and I exchanged some thoughts off-line, and now Breadfan has posted a very intelligent and respectful counter-point I do not disagree with.

The three of us (and others I have not mentioned) have taken this opportunity to present our opinions, and without lowering ourselves to personal attacks. I like this very much, this has been a very enjoyable exchange of thought.

Right now, I'm rather impressed with Dan's construction of the poll. His questions are fashioned in a way that draws out strong beliefs in narrative form, he wants us to explain our views. Very crafty, Dan, bravo!

Thank you, Dan, Breadfan, and others.

Just my .02C, please carry on...

[Dan]

I take your praise as a high compliment. Communication without controversy is something that I have made a personal performance goal. Mastery of written dialogue in such a way as to extend ones point without angering others is a worthwhile challenge.

It's too late to change this poll... when I put it together I didn't give it a whole lot of thought due to my schedule that day... but I would love to get an email from you with your construct of a similar one. :)

I think it might be worthwhile to move from black and white to shade of gray.

Best,

Dan

[QWK SVT]

It's absolutely for real... I can't count how many times the left lane opens up at night, or times where I've seen someone haulin' A, coming up in my rearview, only to see their car nose dive down, in a panic attempt to slow down before they fly past a 'cop'... It's scary, really. You never know if this nutbar will haul in the reins, or loose control:eek:

One time, it even worked out positively, for me... I was driving down the road, very early in the morning, but rushing to go to work. Speed limit is 60KM (35mph), and I was well above that. I have my DRLs disabled, and have realized that the LEO cars do this, too.

A marked car was going in the opposite direction, and I began to slow it back down... He waved! A full "hand out the window" wave! Then he did a double take, as I cruised past. I kept watching my mirrors, and he kept turning his head, looking at the car, but never came after me.

I completely think I CVPI-effect'ed my way out of (what would have been) a hefty ticket. ;)

[RCSignals]

.......................
I think it might be worthwhile to move from black and white to shade of gray.

Best,

Dan

I realise you didn't mean it, but within the context of the entire thread, that's pretty good humour.

I'm not sure an expanded poll is necessary. The posts are more revealing, and expand on the current one quite well.
Besides, wouldn't you rather be on the road experiencing your CVE, or for some WME?

[Sully008]

I've been driving a Panther car for a year now, (CVLX, MM) and I'd have to say this "CVE" kinda exists. It depends on the driver. I know I've been cautious around CVs until I'm sure it's not an LEO. But I'm pretty aware of my surroundings when driving anyways. Some drivers around here are absolutely clueless of whats going on. Seriously, when I had my CV, most people probably thought I was an "old" guy, and drove like I didn't exist. No respect for the car or the driver.

I get more looks in the MM, but it's usually because of the wheels, exhaust and stance. There have been times when others would slowly creep up on me on the highway and when they're positive I'm not an LEO, they blow by me. I've also been right behind someone slow in the left lane and they were totally clueless that I was there trying to get around them.

There is one time, however, that this "CVE" definately occured. I was driving my GF home in the MM late one night and we were following her neighbor's nephew that lived across the street from her. He immediately pulled to the right, turned into a little side street and waited for me to drive by. I thought it kinda odd at the time, but didn't give it a second thought.

I later found out from my GF's brother (who's an LEO) that the nephew was arrested for drug dealing, and had his car impounded. He probably thought my car was an unmarked following him.

I think it depends on how aware (paranoid?) someone is on the road. If a driver is constantly looking for a CV thinking all of them are LEO, then it certainly exists. I voted yes, but I don't really love the affect it has sometimes. I didn't buy my CV or MM to have others think I'm an LEO or a "wannabe". If that's what they think I am, then that's their problem.

[RCSignals]

..........................
There is one time, however, that this "CVE" definately occured. I was driving my GF home in the MM late one night and we were following her neighbor's nephew that lived across the street from her. He immediately pulled to the right, turned into a little side street and waited for me to drive by. I thought it kinda odd at the time, but didn't give it a second thought.

I later found out from my GF's brother (who's an LEO) that the nephew was arrested for drug dealing, and had his car impounded. He probably thought my car was an unmarked following him.

.....................

I would hazard a guess that since you were following him for a little while, and given his drug involvement past, he was very paranoid just at being followed. Probably didn't matter what the headlights behind him were attached to.

[RoyLPita]

Yes and no. It works with my MM but not with my former CVPI.

The former thinks that I am a member of FHP (I got the "ring" this morning. I laugh histically when this happens).

The latter thinks that I am driving a taxi cab.

[Amsoil_Dealer]

I drive a late model Vic LX Sport with a black grill and with this combination people defnitely think I am a cop. I even had a lady at a ghetto gas station walk up to me and address me as "officer....". When I told her I was not a cop she said "you look like a detective and your car sure looks like a detetcive car". Ironically, she approached me to ask if I had a light for her cigarette!!! I told her that even if I did have a light, I would not give her a match at a gas pump!!!

On the cars pulling over for the CVE, I was amused by it at first but after a while I got really annoyed at drivers who would hit there brakes when they see me in the mirror. I have been driving the speed limit lately to save gas so it is not a problem anymore. I get some pretty amazing looks though. Some people might as well have a sign on the forehead that flashes "I have weed in the car".

Don

Don

[Amsoil_Dealer]

Yes and no. It works with my MM but not with my former CVPI.

The former thinks that I am a member of FHP (I got the "ring" this morning. I laugh histically when this happens).

The latter thinks that I am driving a taxi cab.

Brian,

What is the "ring"?

Don

[Dan]

I realise you didn't mean it, but within the context of the entire thread, that's pretty good humour.

I'm not sure an expanded poll is necessary. The posts are more revealing, and expand on the current one quite well.
Besides, wouldn't you rather be on the road experiencing your CVE, or for some WME?

Nope, it was intended. I was hoping that someone would pick up on it. I am not surprised that someone with an equally dry humor as yourself would be the one. :)

Best,

Dan

[ckadiddle]

I drive a late model Vic LX Sport with a black grill and with this combination people defnitely think I am a cop. I even had a lady at a ghetto gas station walk up to me and address me as "officer....". When I told her I was not a cop she said "you look like a detective and your car sure looks like a detetcive car". Ironically, she approached me to ask if I had a light for her cigarette!!! I told her that even if I did have a light, I would not give her a match at a gas pump!!!

On the cars pulling over for the CVE, I was amused by it at first but after a while I got really annoyed at drivers who would hit there brakes when they see me in the mirror. I have been driving the speed limit lately to save gas so it is not a problem anymore. I get some pretty amazing looks though. Some people might as well have a sign on the forehead that flashes "I have weed in the car".

Don

DonYou cracked me up with that flashing forehead sign thing!

[RoyLPita]

Brian,

What is the "ring"?

Don

The "ring" is the traffic in front and behind me doing the speed that I'm doing and keeping their distance. sometimes they get beside me too. From above, it could look like a moving amoeba.

[duhtroll]

It's real to me. That's a bonus and a curse.

The curse is when people refuse to speed up even 1 MPH to get out of your way.

-A

[RocketCouch]

It's totally real. The darker the better and the higher the speed you are driving, the quicker they get out of the way.

[Dan]

It's real to me. That's a bonus and a curse.

The curse is when people refuse to speed up even 1 MPH to get out of your way.

-A

Sometimes there are things that can be done to minimize this.

Two of my tricks are...
1. Use you passenger side blinker for 3 or 4 flashes, stop for a "flash" or two and then do it again. Start the flashes from when you are far enough back that you might not be noticed . What I have found this does is increase the distance of the CVE and it helps motorists move to the side before they boxed by cars in the right side lane.

2. I don't do this but to the most beligerent left lane hogs. I put my right hand above the steering wheel and into the windshield space and, using my right index finger with my palm facing them I point to the right while motioning. That works most times. If it doesn' work then you will need to go around on the right hand side becaue the person wouldn't move for God or the President.

I haven't tried it but I suspect that #2 might work with non Panther class vehicles. Would someone like to experiment with this?

Best,

Dan

[gpfarrell]

I think it might be worthwhile to move from black and white to shade of gray.


Dan

So long as we can still be Blue in the end!

[Two Hawks]

It's real to me. That's a bonus and a curse.

The curse is when people refuse to speed up even 1 MPH to get out of your way.

-A :mad2: My feelings exactly,........ but when they do move out of the way, I kinda feel like Moses parting the sea. :lol:

[Bluerauder]

I voted "Yes" but I don't think that the effect is consistent or predictable ... especially in Northern Virginia. :rolleyes:

I have had obvious cases where the car ahead would immediately signal and move right. :D There have also been numerous occasions where a 5-10 mph over driver would quickly drop to 1 mph under (just to be extra safe) and just hang there making it impossible to get around them. These are the people who constantly check the rearview mirror trying to "figure" out who's tailing them. ;) Both of these affects I feel are primarily due to the CVPI/MM/Panther effect.

On the other hand, I have also gotten behind the left lane hogging, 5 mph under oblivious drivers that haven't checked in their mirrors since last Thursday (very common in NoVA). In fact, some of them think the mirrors are for keeping a watch on the kids in the back seat and leave them permanently adjusted to do so. :mad:

Then there are the really flagrant speeders who fly on by and probably don't even notice the car or maybe are looking for a light bar. In Virginia, that is just plain stupid because so many of the State Troopers are running "slick top" cruisers. :stupid:

I don't try to exploit the "effect" because it is so unpredictable/inconsistent.

To be honest though, my right foot has an involuntary reflex to come off the gas if I am "surprised" by an LEO on the highway. :rolleyes: That doesn't happen too often because I tend to maintain 360 degree visibility and watch far ahead of my car and constantly check the rear and sides (normally every 5 seconds or so). I do this not to check for LEOs but to be aware of my surroundings in the event that I need an emergency escape route to avoid a problem. :up:

[Dan]

So long as we can still be Blue in the end!


AMEN, Bruh-thuh!!!! Blue RULES!!! :)

[Dan]

:mad2: My feelings exactly,........ but when they do move out of the way, I kinda feel like Moses parting the sea. :lol:

I know how you feel.

Read my sig. I named my car moses. :)

[RCSignals]

Sometimes there are things that can be done to minimize this.

Two of my tricks are...
1. Use you passenger side blinker for 3 or 4 flashes, stop for a "flash" or two and then do it again. Start the flashes from when you are far enough back that you might not be noticed . What I have found this does is increase the distance of the CVE and it helps motorists move to the side before they boxed by cars in the right side lane.

2. I don't do this but to the most beligerent left lane hogs. I put my right hand above the steering wheel and into the windshield space and, using my right index finger with my palm facing them I point to the right while motioning. That works most times. If it doesn' work then you will need to go around on the right hand side becaue the person wouldn't move for God or the President.

I haven't tried it but I suspect that #2 might work with non Panther class vehicles. Would someone like to experiment with this?

Best,

Dan


What's the purpose of #1? Are you simulating something?

Most people don't notice #2, and if they do, probably think you are pointing at something on the side of the road or in the left lane, warning them to be cautious, or they think you 'talk with your hands' and if you are alone in the car, you're talking to yourself.

[duhtroll]

I like to ram the offending vehicle (you know -the driver who's "I refuse to move out of the left lane and I'm on my phone and who the hell are YOU") repeatedly until they fly off the road and explode on impact.

Relax. I usually call 911 afterward.

[Ozz]

I just saw this thread and think it's hilarious...

After driving the MM on the highway for the first time, my wife asked me 'Did you notice how cars get out of the way when you approach them from behind in the MM?'... At that point I had not but have noticed it since. Here in Michigan where everyone drives in the fast lane, regardless of their speed, I have definitely scared a few moron soccer mom's on cell phones talking way too much and checking their mirrors way too little. I find it helps to just peek the left fender out far enough so they can see it in the left hand mirror.

The one problem, as mentioned before, are the dumba$$es that slow way down and won't get over. The fact that they think I'm a cop causes me enough pleasure that I usually don't get too upset about the speed. I do try to mess with them though since by then they've obviously 'taken the bait'?

Wouldn't it be cool to have a yellow strobe light (or whatever color is NOT emergency vehicles in your state) that you could place on the dash when the offending vehicle won't get over? Wouldn't want to be accused of impersonating an officer though....

I VOTE YES!!!!!

[SergntMac]

IMHO, there are two styles of "left lane hogs". One is the driver who is totally clueless about anyone next to him, or, behind him. You can usually identify these people by looking at their review mirrors. If you cannot see their face, or, parts of their face in their mirrors, you don't exist in their mind.

The second is the self deputized left lane speed police, who are intentionally blocking a lane of traffic at the legal limit, simply because they can. These are very emotionally sick people. They are unhappy at work, and probably at home, and feel life is taking advantage of them. They make use of every moment available to them to "set the world right" as they see fit. "Activists with issues", these types are most likely to engage in road rage, but for the purpose of this discussion, you won't do anything to change their behavior. In fact, the harder you try, the worse it will get.

It's totally real. The darker the better and the higher the speed you are driving, the quicker they get out of the way. I fine this amusing. When I see a car approaching from behind at high speed, I get out of his way, regardless of what kind of car it happens to be. This behavior actually has very little to do with any "CVE", normal folks will move out of the way just out of self preservation. Except #2 ^ there, expect him to cut you off, perhaps chase you down just so he can try to get in front of you, and change your behavior to "what's right".

Sometimes there are things that can be done to minimize this.

Two of my tricks are...Dan Now you're confusing me, Dan. Isn't this, in small way, taking adtantage of whatever "CVE" other motorist award you?

I believe in the customary method of signaling other motorist when I want their attention. Flashing the high beams to give another motorist permission to change lanes in front of me, and when I'm passing them on a two lane road. If I am driving my Marauder with the fog lights on, this results in a "oscilating" flash, as the fog lamps shut off when the high beams are on. This is also useful when I'm behind left lane hogs, and asking them to let me pass, however, when one or two attempts fail, all I can do is sit back and enjoy the ride.

Giving other motorist direction via hand signals, or, tapping out an SOS with a turn indicator isn't a commonly accepted manner of communications on the highway. It's talking in an unknown language. Hopefully you're not following an urban gang banger who misunderstands your flashing (hand, or, light) as a sign of disrespect, and reaches for his pistol. Moreover, causing an irregular flash of lights from behind, IMHO, feels like you're simulating the irregular flashes common with emergency vehicles today. That, combined with hand signals, could be misunderstood as borderline "posing". You do this to one of those militant activists who believe they are providing a public service by driving slow in the passing lane, and you may find yourself answering some legal qustions. They do know how to make their point.

Again, IMHO, most motorists at large are asleep at the wheel, or, so self or otherwise involved with other things, they pay no attention to anyone around them, let alone any cop car look-a-like. Only those with something on their mind are going to see you in traffic, and they will believe what they want, regardless of fuzzy dice. Good, safe drivers will see you, and give you some space too.

To that end, this "CVE" may have some substance, but don't count the cars that give you a tad more courtesy. Count those who ignore you no matter what you do. I think you'll fine the ratio something like 10 to 1.

[Bigdogjim]

Problem is real simple: Most drivers think the left is made for them.

Usually the right lane are wide open and just as easy to go their and work your away around the problem driver.

Then one I really enjoy watching are those that smack the brake when someone is tailgating.

I for one do not want the front end paint damage so I just stay back and play it safe.

[jfclancy]

Well I had a 1996 Crown Vic that I traded in on the Marauder, it was very pronounced with that car, and noticible ,mostly at night, with the Marauder.
The But NO is what I have observered is the slowing down effect that is folks were clipping along pretty good then noticed me and SLOWED way down blocking traffic.

Joe Clancy :beer: :beer: :beer:

[wrnealis]

I drive 147 in Durham and down I-40 through RTP with my Marauder. CV effect is definately real. I used to drive this in my F150 an no one would get out of the left lane for me. I think people enjoyed blocking me in.

Now I drive 75-80mph wearing sunglasses and people can't get over quick enough.

[RCSignals]

IMHO, there are two styles of "left lane hogs". One is the driver who is totally clueless about anyone next to him, or, behind him. You can usually identify these people by looking at their review mirrors. If you cannot see their face, or, parts of their face in their mirrors, you don't exist in their mind.

The second is the self deputized left lane speed police, who are intentionally blocking a lane of traffic at the legal limit, simply because they can. These are very emotionally sick people. They are unhappy at work, and probably at home, and feel life is taking advantage of them. They make use of every moment available to them to "set the world right" as they see fit. "Activists with issues", these types are most likely to engage in road rage, but for the purpose of this discussion, you won't do anything to change their behavior. In fact, the harder you try, the worse it will get.


I'd add another. The driver who thinks the left lane has no speed limit at all, just for him, and how dare anyone else occupy it.


Many of the freeways have only two lanes. With the increase of speed limits for cars and light trucks, but not for large trucks, which are supposed to remain in the right lane (and in some cases any vehicle pulling a trailer) over the last few years a situation has occurred to furhter frustrate the 'third' kind of left lane hog above.
The right lane is still a slow moving vehicle lane, but since trucks and some others are limited to 55 or 60 mph while the speed limit for everyone else is 65 or 70 mph, means that for the most part most other vehicles have to travel in the left lane. It's near impossible to 'keep right except to pass' since passing is all you are doing. It doesn't stop that third type of driver though, the right lane can be a solid line of trucks and other vehicles, you may be travelling over the speed limit, yet left lane hog #3 will still be tight on your tail, making gestures, flashing lights, and simply maiking a azz of himself.

[RCSignals]

I drive 147 in Durham and down I-40 through RTP with my Marauder. CV effect is definately real. I used to drive this in my F150 an no one would get out of the left lane for me. I think people enjoyed blocking me in.

That is the truck and van effect. Drive a truck or van and, no matter what speed you are travelling, people will do any thing to get around you. Usually when they get in front they slow down again, this often having an effect of boxing you in.


Now I drive 75-80mph wearing sunglasses and people can't get over quick enough.

Obviously it's the sunglasses
:coolman:

[Dan]

Mac,

As always I give credence to what you write. Because of that I am open to what you say and it gives me food for thought.

Until you mentioned it I never even considered that anyone would think that I was signaling an SOS with my blinker. Wouldn't someone use their hazzards for that? Wouldn't I need to control the amount of time that the blinker remained on? Isn't it *** --- ***?

As for the hand signal, I'll clarify that I use this only as a last resort after all else has failed.

Best,

Dan

[lwblumjr]

Hi all,

I have noticed since I got my Marauder that I do (sometimes) get other drivers around me that drive differently when they see me until they realize I am not a cop. A Black Marauder (with Black grille) can look a lot like a cop car at first glance from the front or back (not so much from the side) and can make some drivers get out of the way (great) or slow down and block you into slow moving traffic (not so great). Last January when I was driving East on I-10 heading for the big Silver Springs show (Oh dark thirty), I was cruising at 79 mph. There was almost no other traffic. I see headlights coming up on me from behind. They are coming up pretty fast (which means they were going really quick since I was going 78.) When he is nearly upon me he slows down and matches my speed for a bit. Then he creeps up along side and when he realizes I'm not a cop he takes off again. It was kindof neat.

[GreekGod]

I like to ram the offending vehicle (you know -the driver who's "I refuse to move out of the left lane and I'm on my phone and who the hell are YOU") repeatedly until they fly off the road and explode on impact.

Relax. I usually call 911 afterward. I always try to ram them on the rear corner of their vehicle while they are in a turn in order to spin them out. I then (lacking witnesses) will strip their wallet, drag them to safety by their collar and run away before the fireball explosion.

[DEFYANT]

For me, the "CVE" is the way people move when your back far enough they cant see your NOT and LEO, but might be. Then they move to be safe. Ironicly, if I am in a hurry on the highway, I simply turn on my head lights and hang back. Regardless of the lane I am in, I can cruise with my "Highway Ez-Pass" on without doing the aggressive driving.

Once in a while though... you get the jackle that clogs the artery.

[G-Man]

For me, the "CVE" is the way people move when your back far enough they cant see your NOT and LEO, but might be. Then they move to be safe. Ironicly, if I am in a hurry on the highway, I simply turn on my head lights and hang back. Regardless of the lane I am in, I can cruise with my "Highway Ez-Pass" on without doing the aggressive driving.

Once in a while though... you get the jackle that clogs the artery.I must attract all of the jackle's.... especially the ones that are blind and deaf :nono: .

[DEFYANT]

Ya know Gman and FHP is probably the guys that let'em all know that you can be pulled over by a MM. THATS the reason they all move!!

[Dan]

OK, let's not get carried away with silliness. :)

If you were willing to go to this much trouble you'd just carry a gun. (Is the word gun still allowed on this site? :D )

Best,

Dan

PS: Hello from the Dominican Republic, everyone, where I am on vacation for the next two weeks. WooHoo!

[STLThunder]

Effect is further amplified when running with a pack of black/blue & DTR CVPIs. Ask me how I know.

Several PDs in my area use Black, unmarked CVPIs so I get the effect all the time.

[G-Man]

OK, let's not get carried away with silliness. :)

If you were willing to go to this much trouble you'd just carry a gun. (Is the word gun still allowed on this site? :D )

But, I do carry a gun :cool4:.

[DEFYANT]

But, I do carry a gun :cool4:.
Hey Dan,..... me too:cool:

[Dan]

Well,

This poll was certainly interesting and informative. I had a feeling that the community would go this way but I had no idea that it would be by more than a 4:1 margin. Wow!

Again, thanks to all for allowing this poll to run its course without an controversy. I appreciate that.

Long live the Crown Vice effect! :up:

Best,

Dan

[stryker]

Well Mangs I found this thread in a casual search and I take my time to read it some say no others yes, and you know what my vote is... !YES! now i will explain why, don't forget that the primary customer for the CV's are the Police and Federal agencies at least here in P.R. the people here see a Crown vic they think are police but when people here see a Grand Marquis they think are politicians the Panther cars here Oh almost forgot higher executives here most of them use Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford Crown victoria and Lincoln Towncars, now i will tell my experiences with my current panther sometimes I park the Panther at the side of the road and many drivers start slowing the cars others start blinking the lights to the oposite drivers warning them that a patrol is at the side of the road, sometimes when i'm driving and people see my Panther by the center mirror I note that they bucle up the seat belt so the so called "CVE" is true.

[71cyclone]

Well Mangs I found this thread in a casual search and I take my time to read it some say no others yes, and you know what my vote is... !YES! now i will explain why, don't forget that the primary customer for the CV's are the Police and Federal agencies at least here in P.R. the people here see a Crown vic they think are police but when people here see a Grand Marquis they think are politicians the Panther cars here Oh almost forgot higher executives here most of them use Mercury Grand Marquis, Ford Crown victoria and Lincoln Towncars, now i will tell my experiences with my current panther sometimes I park the Panther at the side of the road and many drivers start slowing the cars others start blinking the lights to the oposite drivers warning them that a patrol is at the side of the road, sometimes when i'm driving and people see my Panther by the center mirror I note that they bucle up the seat belt so the so called "CVE" is true.
VIVA Los FEDERALIES:bandit:

[Marauderman]

old thread alert--7 years old---carry on

[SC Cheesehead]

old thread alert--7 years old---carry on

+1...;)
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[Gerry24]

I was just reading this thread and was interesting. I saw the old thread alert from from 5 years ago lol. Carry on!! And yeah when they see her everybody still gets spooked. :run:

[BUCKWHEAT]

I have noticed two effects. First is the police car mis-diagnosis effect which is most evident on interstate highways,both brake lites and moving over into slow lane. Second is the professional Courtesy effect, where real LEOs have cut me slack, and even waived a 'howdy'. Nice guys.

[crouse]

Now that most law enforcement agencies have switched to the Ford Explorer, it's not that common.

[fastblackmerc]

I have noticed two effects. First is the police car mis-diagnosis effect which is most evident on interstate highways,both brake lites and moving over into slow lane. Second is the professional Courtesy effect, where real LEOs have cut me slack, and even waived a 'howdy'. Nice guys.

Happens to me everytime I'm in the MM.

[SteelQualityMan]

Here is my definition of the "Crown Vic Effect"

The effect that driving a Crown Vic platform vehicle has on other drivers which causes them to A) move to the right lane or B) drive slower. Said "Crown Vic Effect" is directly related to the fact that LEO's drive Crown Vics and, because of this, the average motorist drives differently around a Crown Vic until they can determine that it is not a law enforcement vehicle.

Do you think that your Marauder enables you to take advantage of the "Crown Vic Effect"? YES or NO.

Best,

Dan

YES

On driving the Marauder from Western Indiana to the New Jersey Shores, the effect gets stronger the further East I go. Maybe it is in part due to the fact that if people in Indiana exceed the speed limit at all, it is by maybe 10-15 MPH over a 65 limit. In New York and New Jersey, I frequently saw people doing at least 90 in areas marked for 65.

[dmjarosz]

I still see the effect even though I havent seen a CVPI in few years. They all switched to the Explorer, Taurus, or something else years ago. Must be a culture ingrained in people's minds.

[toncan]

I saw it before I added the hood scoop and stripes. Now it's a different effect.

[toncan]

right pic!

[GreekGod]

Add a spot light or two - Authoritah respect!
Link:
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http://crooksandliars.com/files/primary_image/14/12/respectcartman.jpg

[Markemark]

It's not like it used to be, Ohio changed to Dodge Chargers a while back. HAd my friends 2012 Dodge Charger Pursuit x hwp car for a week. Talk about the affect! About 90 percent people would not pass me on the highway!

[xopher]

I'm getting the effect less and less, but I can confirm that two cars have 100% pulled off of the road and onto the shoulder when I was coming up behind them with speed, and they pulled back onto the road after letting me pass. When my friends ask about the CVPI Effect, I'm delighted to tell them that it has been so good that I have accidentally pulled over two cars.