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FordNut
10-01-2005, 03:51 PM
Got the tune with blower done today. We stopped at 447 RWHP. Strange tuning session. Started out at 484 RWHP, tuner was scratching his head trying to figure out how to detune since the starting tune is where he normally starts out and has to tune for more power. Once I get a built bottom end it's gonna be a monster! Oh yeah, the max boost we saw all day was 9 psi, highest IAT was 135 after 4 back-to-back pulls. More info to come later...
BillyGman
10-01-2005, 03:57 PM
. Once I get a built bottom end it's gonna be a monster! Oh yeah, the max boost we saw all day was 9 psi...Great numbers there. Congrats.....but there's something I don't understand about what you've stated......

why would you have the bottom end of your engine built-up better than factory stock AFTER you've design and installed the entire S/Cer kit, rather than BEFORE???
Smokie
10-01-2005, 03:58 PM
Congratulations Brian, I'll never outrun you now.:beer:
BillyGman
10-01-2005, 04:11 PM
Congratulations Brian, I'll never outrun you now.
Not neccessarily so. Maybe, maybe not. PEAK HP #'s aren't the only thing that matters in a race. It's how wide the torque curve is (or how flat it is) that matters the most. It also depends on what gears both you and him have in the rear ends of your cars. John(aka "JET") only beat me at the track by half a car length (which was 5/100 of a second ) in the quartermile, and my car is puting 60 HP LESS to the wheels than his is. His and my car have different gears in the rear.
DEFYANT
10-01-2005, 04:13 PM
Great numbers there. Congrats.....but there's something I don't understand about what you've stated......

why would you have the bottom end of your engine built-up better than factory stock AFTER you've design and installed the entire S/Cer kit, rather than BEFORE???Makes sense.

Get the S/Cer set up have fun while building a newer, bigger, stronger:
TRILOGIZED MARAUDER!!!!!!!
MUWAHAHAHAHA

:depress: WHOOPS.
BillyGman
10-01-2005, 04:22 PM
newer, bigger, stronger:
TRILOGIZED MARAUDER!!!!!!!
MUWAHAHAHAHA

:depress: WHOOPS.Now Now......behave yourself Defyant....no need to be living up to your username... :D
HwyCruiser
10-01-2005, 05:55 PM
Sounds pretty good for the first tune. What rpm are you spinning the motor to for the 447hp?

I saw in your mods you went with Reinhart's Spearco intercooler and pipes. How is the fit? It seemed that a large part of the intercooler was blocked by the front facia from the pics I saw. Does it flow outside air better than it looks to?

I'd like to get a bigger intercooler for and locate it behind the grill but the Procharger sheetmetal 3-core just won't fit, besides being outrageously expensive to buy after the fact.
FordNut
10-01-2005, 08:02 PM
Great numbers there. Congrats.....but there's something I don't understand about what you've stated......

why would you have the bottom end of your engine built-up better than factory stock AFTER you've design and installed the entire S/Cer kit, rather than BEFORE???
several reasons: money is one (big bucks to do both at once), time is another (took long enough to get the blower setup going, add in an engine build and it would be even worse), the blower setup is "custom" so I can dial it in and test things out without having to do an engine swap, I still have 30k of the 100k warranty (yeah, if I blow the motor the warranty wouldn't cover it but if a IAC or EGR valve malfunctions not only would the part but the diagnostic would be covered), and finally it's nice to gradually get used to power increases rather than deaing with the shock of a sudden jump.
FordNut
10-01-2005, 08:18 PM
Sounds pretty good for the first tune. What rpm are you spinning the motor to for the 447hp?

I saw in your mods you went with Reinhart's Spearco intercooler and pipes. How is the fit? It seemed that a large part of the intercooler was blocked by the front facia from the pics I saw. Does it flow outside air better than it looks to?

I'd like to get a bigger intercooler for and locate it behind the grill but the Procharger sheetmetal 3-core just won't fit, besides being outrageously expensive to buy after the fact.
That's at 6000 rpm. Dennis' intercooler and pipes fit very well. I had to dent a couple of pipes to clear due to some of my other mods (CVPI oil cooler, remote oil filter, Griffin radiator) but otherwise everything tucks in really good. Nothing hangs down below OEM parts. Basically 3 pipes instead of a bunch of pieces. One 4" inlet pipe, one 3" pipe from blower to intercooler, one 3" pipe from intercooler to throttle body elbow. I believe the Procharger and Vortech elbows are pretty much the same. Dennis' stuff ain't particularly cheap, but I really like the fit and think it's well worth it.

The intercooler works extremely well. I had to stop and check my Autometer IAT sensor because I thought it wasn't working. It stayed at about 10 degrees above ambient (95 deg) no matter how slow or fast I went. I switched channels to the intercooler inlet sensor (2-channel gauge) and saw the temp was about 180. I stopped and felt the intercooler and the inlet was hot, outlet was cold. Let it sit and idle awhile and finally saw the temp go up to about 110 after a few minutes so I know the sensor is working and the intercooler is working very well.

I actually helped Dennis find the Spearco intercooler and did a mockup test fit using a styrofoam model before he ordered one. Then he worked out the mounting bracketry and piping. It is rated for 700 hp so it should be adequate for lots more mods!
sailsmen
10-01-2005, 08:38 PM
Not neccessarily so. Maybe, maybe not. PEAK HP #'s aren't the only thing that matters in a race. It's how wide the torque curve is (or how flat it is) that matters the most. It also depends on what gears both you and him have in the rear ends of your cars. John(aka "JET") only beat me at the track by half a car length (which was 5/100 of a second ) in the quartermile, and my car is puting 60 HP LESS to the wheels than his is. His and my car have different gears in the rear.


You are right in that it's not just about HP or Torque but how the car is set up. ;)

Eventually I will go with 4:56 gears like you Billy. I think you are one of the few and you were really chastised by some when you went that route after trying 4:10. Many also chastised you for keeping the 3,000 stall with the type of S/C you have.

looking at Dynos you would have never thought that I had the 2nd fastest time at Gainsville, I may have also have had the second lowest 60' time!

It's how the car is set up, not what hardware is making the power.

Yes there is still a fair amount of art in setting up a car. :banana:

I will put my $200 phongraph with $100 cartridge up againest any digital device made, music is more than 0 & 1. ( I do have a custom AMC that sounds great but cn't beat the comparatively cheapo phono)
FordNut
10-01-2005, 08:50 PM
More info to come later...
Ok, a short tale of my first test drive...

Pulled off the dyno, turned down the parking lot at Team Ford and nailed it from a roll, burnout pretty much as long as I wanted to keep my foot in it. Went to the opposite end of the parking lot and turned around, stopped and stomped it from a standstill. WOW, it burned them through first and into second then started to get a little out of shape so I got out of it. Went back and stepped off about 110 ft of black marks, both wheels the whole way, and that's with widened rims and Goodyear 295/45x18's. Drag radials are in the garage, gotta get them on before a trip to the drag strip.

It's running the twin Cobra fuel pump setup and pressure was dropping off at the top end so I've gotta add a Boost-a-pump as the next mod. New fuel filter may help, I probably should have changed that before starting on the tune.

The only problem we encountered after tuning started was high rpm breakup due to the plugs being gapped too wide. Had to stop and swap them (Aric likes the Motorcraft plugs better than the ND so that's what we went with).

Prep work just before tuning included adding shims behind the power steering pump to take up some slack on the 8-rib 110" long belt due to limited selection on 8-rib belts. I experienced no problems with belt jumping or slipping.

Now I gotta get used to the whistle.
shakes_26
10-01-2005, 09:50 PM
Brian, awesome, simply awesome.

You gonna run in the big dog class at SSHS5? :)
FordNut
10-01-2005, 10:36 PM
Brian, awesome, simply awesome.

You gonna run in the big dog class at SSHS5? :)
Probably...
BillyGman
10-01-2005, 10:44 PM
Probably...I hope you're going to use drag radials.;)
FordNut
10-01-2005, 11:04 PM
I hope you're going to use drag radials.;)
Count on it!
snowbird
10-02-2005, 04:31 AM
Congrats on your new tune and pretty impressive set-up (after i went to your mods list). You really went strong about all that could be done to keep it cool under hard usage.

When the built block will be in, the 600hp+ Mercedes will have the opportunity to read your rear plates !!:D
Smokie
10-02-2005, 05:58 AM
Not neccessarily so. Maybe, maybe not. PEAK HP #'s aren't the only thing that matters in a race. It's how wide the torque curve is (or how flat it is) that matters the most. It also depends on what gears both you and him have in the rear ends of your cars. John(aka "JET") only beat me at the track by half a car length (which was 5/100 of a second ) in the quartermile, and my car is puting 60 HP LESS to the wheels than his is. His and my car have different gears in the rear.Billy, nobody has done more with 400 hp than you.:bows: I know Brian, he is dedicated to making his car special and has been working very hard for a couple years to create his own unique blend.

I always pay very close attention to reality and this I know; Brian is not aiming for a 12.8, I don't think he will be satisfied with 12's at all. The engine/intake/exhaust in my car is strong enough to run fast, the rest of my OEM car is what it is...OEM.

This I predict: Brian will run deep in the 12's and take aim at 11's....if I'm wrong...time will tell.

Brian, how about a chart man, you know I like numbers.:beer:
FordNut
10-02-2005, 07:06 AM
...and take aim at 11's....

That's the plan. Maybe not this year since I won't have much practice time, but for sure next year I plan to break into the 11's.



Brian, how about a chart man, you know I like numbers.:beer:

I'll scan them in a little bit and post them.
Glenn
10-02-2005, 02:42 PM
Brain:

Great HP numbers with the S/C. I know how hard you have been working on the MM to get it to this point. Good luck with the car and I can't wait to see you run at SSHS5.

BillyG:

It would be awesome to have you at SSHS5 on November 5 in Atlanta to beat some of the worked Impala SS. I know you are far away, but give it some thought. It will be a huge event this year.

Glenn
FordNut
10-02-2005, 06:19 PM
I'll scan them in a little bit and post them.
Here's an early pull, notice the x scale is mph instead of rpm, that is because it started breaking up at high rpm and the rpm information is inaccurate at the high end. Not sure what rpm the 120 mph equates to but I believe it's a little below 6k.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/dynoProCharger484.jpg

And another printout, this shows a slightly detuned pull with new plugs at ~477 hp overlaid with the final tune at ~447 hp.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/dynoProCharger447.jpg

Oh, and the setup is a D1SC and 3.90 pulley.
stevengerard
10-02-2005, 07:03 PM
Great numbers and good luck dialing it in.
SergntMac
10-03-2005, 07:07 AM
Congrats, Brian, your effort (and restraint) is paying off. I am very impressed by some of your innovations, I know this MM will kick some butt.