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I posted a little bit about this in another thread and was startled to find as much interest in turbos as there is.
Let's talk turbo's here. I had a company lined up for a TWIN turbo kit but they kept getting distracted with the new Stang and Vettes.
That company is HP Performance. (http://turbochargedpower.com/)
If anyone else here is interested in an MM twin turbo these would be the guys to call. IN FACT, we should start calling them now. Maybe we can get them a bit motivated.
Dan
LightningVic
10-19-2005, 09:40 AM
excellent Idea, hit up CVN too, although most of them are a bunch of .......where is that jerkoff smiley? hmmm. Anyway if you talk to HP again, point out that with little more than changing the flange on the turbo manifolds to a 2v flange, their twin turbo marauder kit can cover marauders, crown vics, mercury marquis, and lincoln town cars for a minimum of investment. Got to love the modularity of the panther platform haha
wsmylie
10-19-2005, 09:46 AM
Interesting topic....saw my first (and so far only) turbo MM this past weekend at a small car show in Chicago. Don't know alot of details about the install but it seemed to be a neat little package.
RoyLPita
10-19-2005, 10:00 AM
Interesting topic....saw my first (and so far only) turbo MM this past weekend at a small car show in Chicago. Don't know alot of details about the install but it seemed to be a neat little package.
It was probably Turbo Ernie's MM.
wsmylie
10-19-2005, 10:04 AM
Yup Brian... I believe that is the one I saw:) .
It was probably Turbo Ernie's MM.
RoyLPita
10-19-2005, 10:29 AM
Yup Brian... I believe that is the one I saw:) .
If he got it from Pro Turbo Kits in San Antonio, it is a nice setup. The demo video is cool to watch, too.
marauderboi
10-19-2005, 11:35 AM
If he got it from Pro Turbo Kits in San Antonio, it is a nice setup. The demo video is cool to watch, too.could you post the vid
cyclone03
10-19-2005, 11:47 AM
could you post the vid
Just go to ProTurboKits.com you'll find it.
I posted a little bit about this in another thread and was startled to find as much interest in turbos as there is.
Let's talk turbo's here. I had a company lined up for a TWIN turbo kit but they kept getting distracted with the new Stang and Vettes.
That company is HP Performance. (http://turbochargedpower.com/)
If anyone else here is interested in an MM twin turbo these would be the guys to call. IN FACT, we should start calling them now. Maybe we can get them a bit motivated.
Dan
I have already gone that route with HP , they weren't interested. Yes, they are too busy creaming themselves over the new Stangs. They do sell a very nice kit .
In the stangs they replace the whole K member and a arms and put the turbo's forward and inside the front wheels. We could flip the intercooler over to jam the air into the left side intake. A Cobra kit might work with some mods to locate the turbos.
marauderboi
10-19-2005, 12:07 PM
I found them
Rider90
10-19-2005, 01:02 PM
I'd pick a turbocharger before any S/C ever made.
O's Fan Rich
10-19-2005, 01:47 PM
I have already gone that route with HP , they weren't interested. Yes, they are too busy creaming themselves over the new Stangs. They do sell a very nice kit .
In the stangs they replace the whole K member and a arms and put the turbo's forward and inside the front wheels. We could flip the intercooler over to jam the air into the left side intake. A Cobra kit might work with some mods to locate the turbos.
That's what I was thinking!
Then we'd just need to get it tuned......
Bradley G
10-19-2005, 02:14 PM
The Exhaust clearance was just too big of a obsticle for my liking.
Gusy,
We are on the right track so far. As you guys know, I like to moderate my threads to keep them productive, organized and on topic so here are my thoughts...
1. Let's work on HP regardless of whether or not they seem "all that intersted." I spoke a number of times with Tom and he was always nice to me and somewhat positive. I suspect that if he heard from a number of us (each of us telling him to keep track of the number of different calls that he got) he would probably change his mind.
2. Let's get the CVN guys involved in this, too. Anyone who is regular over there has my permission to post my original thread to any of those other sites.
3. We NEED those guys for this to work. Let's minimize any references to them that might undermine their willingness to support this effort.
4. Let's not say anything negative about superchargers. Those guys are good and, thanks to their work, we have a lot more technical knowledge about the intake side of our engines.
5. I'll try to give Tom at HP a call tomorrow.
Thanks for the enthusiasm, guys. Let's keep our momentum positive and moving forward. With any luck we will all be cruising around with twin turbo Marauders by the end of the winter. :) :up:
Best,
Dan
Big House
10-19-2005, 03:12 PM
Here Here:beer:
Well said Dan. Myquestion is why hadn't anyone else other than Earnie, jumped on this one. 460 horse at 9lbs. We have seen here that stock we can handle 11lbs of boost. that should be in 06 Z06 power range. I say we push this as hard as we can to see how far we can go. And rest assured this is not a slam to the supercharged, but I, like a few others out there like the exclusiveness of a turboed car, and there is nothing like a car that likes rpms that has a turbo.
Big House
Gusy,
We are on the right track so far. As you guys know, I like to moderate my threads to keep them productive, organized and on topic so here are my thoughts...
1. Let's work on HP regardless of whether or not they seem "all that intersted." I spoke a number of times with Tom and he was always nice to me and somewhat positive. I suspect that if he heard from a number of us (each of us telling him to keep track of the number of different calls that he got) he would probably change his mind.
2. Let's get the CVN guys involved in this, too. Anyone who is regular over there has my permission to post my original thread to any of those other sites.
3. We NEED those guys for this to work. Let's minimize any references to them that might undermine their willingness to support this effort.
4. Let's not say anything negative about superchargers. Those guys are good and, thanks to their work, we have a lot more technical knowledge about the intake side of our engines.
5. I'll try to give Tom at HP a call tomorrow.
Thanks for the enthusiasm, guys. Let's keep our momentum positive and moving forward. With any luck we will all be cruising around with twin turbo Marauders by the end of the winter. :) :up:
Best,
Dan
UPDATE: I just got off the phone with Tom at HP. He said that he would be glad to receive our calls and keep records of who calls. He said that he needs to have as much upfront interest as possible for the sake of making a better business case for doing a kit for our cars.
He also told me that putting a kit together for our platform takes a lot more R&D than one might anticipate. I am inclined to believe him since I have never built a turbo from the ground up before. :)
He also told me that they need to do about 20 kits to recover their R&D investment on a kit for a new platform.
NOW WE HAVE ALL OF THE AMMO WE NEED!!! Let's go get those GM and CV guys on the bandwagon and get his phone ringing.
Best,
Dan
I posted a little bit about this in another thread and was startled to find as much interest in turbos as there is.
Let's talk turbo's here. I had a company lined up for a TWIN turbo kit but they kept getting distracted with the new Stang and Vettes.
That company is HP Performance. (http://turbochargedpower.com/)
If anyone else here is interested in an MM twin turbo these would be the guys to call. IN FACT, we should start calling them now. Maybe we can get them a bit motivated.
DanJust a disclaimer on my post: I have never personally dealt with HP Performance so I am only going off what many others have said on a forum I go to. I currently own a PTK turbo kit for my Marauder.
HP Performance has many customer service issues.. Just to put it politely.
If you are really interested in doing business with them visit this link. A little research never hurt anyone.
http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10
Lets just say they have a VERY bad rep with people who know lots more about turbos than I ever will and I know a pretty good bit.
There are many other turbo companies out there with much better reps that HP Performance.
Joe Walsh
10-19-2005, 03:25 PM
Here Here:beer:
Well said Dan. Myquestion is why hadn't anyone else other than Earnie, jumped on this one. 460 horse at 9lbs. We have seen here that stock we can handle 11lbs of boost. that should be in 06 Z06 power range. I say we push this as hard as we can to see how far we can go. And rest assured this is not a slam to the supercharged, but I, like a few others out there like the exclusiveness of a turboed car, and there is nothing like a car that likes rpms that has a turbo.
Big House
OH MAN!!! I am starting to salivate.... :drool:
If they can figure out the K member/exhaust pipe clearance problem and make a twin turbo kit, I would be all over that.
Don't get me wrong, I AM considering a S/C for my Marauder, but you cannot beat the efficiency of a turbo.....
nor the AWESOME midrange torque and high rpm horsepower!!
From a stop, punch it and wait a second, then when she hits 3000 rpm......WHOOOOOSH! :eek: HOLD ON!!!!
If you are on the highway just lean on the throttle and get instant big block torque! :banana:
I LOVE driving turbo cars!!
Big House
10-19-2005, 03:33 PM
Joe,
I can't agree more...a good friend of minds had a built Mark 4 Supra. That Bas***d was a beast. Moderatly fast out the hole and the first to second shift and the second to third shifts would break your neck. 15lbs of boost and we were running triples digits in third. Joe, I imagine you could run a 15 to 20lbs in that monster of yours and destroy every rearend you put in it.
Todd,
Thanks for the references. I will be sure to address these when I call Tom tomorrow and let the gang know how the call went.
Do you have any ideas for any other company which might be willing to do a twin tubo for our cars? If so, I would love to make contact with them, too.
Best,
Dan
Big House,
I agree, I like the exclusivity of a turbo charged car, too. I don't know why anyone else hasn't picked up on this yet.
Dan
RCSignals
10-19-2005, 04:11 PM
There is a member on this board, "UNSTOPPABLE" who has, apparently, a twin turbo charged, nitrous equipped Marauder by Calloway(sic)
Look him up and ask him about it.
Joe Walsh
10-19-2005, 04:27 PM
There is a member on this board, "UNSTOPPABLE" who has, apparently, a twin turbo charged, nitrous equipped Marauder by Calloway(sic)
Look him up and ask him about it.
I think that was a hoax....and LORD LOGAN deleted 'UNSTOPPABLE' .
Todd,
Thanks for the references. I will be sure to address these when I call Tom tomorrow and let the gang know how the call went.
Do you have any ideas for any other company which might be willing to do a twin tubo for our cars? If so, I would love to make contact with them, too.
Best,
Dan
I already contacted a few of them about a kit and most are not looking to built a kit for a niche market car. PTK was/is the only option for our car.
A properly sized single turbo will put out more than you would probably want. It is all in the sizing of the turbo. To big and you get lag. To small and you run out of steam. Somewhere in the middle and you get just that, I well rounded package.
I am sending you a pm.
Joe Walsh
10-19-2005, 05:02 PM
I already contacted a few of them about a kit and most are not looking to built a kit for a niche market car. PTK was/is the only option for our car.
Has anyone talked to "Turbo People" in New York?
www.turbopeople.com
They have done lots of very NASTY turbo Mustangs...
I agree with this thread. I want to go turbo and the Proturbo kit looks great.
But twins..that would be cool. http://mercurymarauder.net/forums/images/smilies/165.gif
I also have an inquiry into inductionconcepts. They do mostly racecars over 600 hp, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
I am tempted to experiment myself.
Do you think I could install the fuel side (42 lb injectors, booster pump, etc) and run that NA while I get the other parts?
I met a dude in Lauderdale who will ceramic coat anything I can get together.
If I could get an HP intercooler and the manifolds I would be pretty close!
Todd, do you know Walsh racing well enough to ask about a group purchase on the PTK units?
Has anyone talked to "Turbo People" in New York?
www.turbopeople.com (http://www.turbopeople.com/)
They have done lots of very NASTY turbo Mustangs...
They are a very good company. I never called them. That is one of the companies I recommended to Dan in the pm I sent.
The Spetters know crap loads about turbo cars obviously. I had talked with Job (?sp) about kits for mustangs before I bought my last kit for a mustang. They are higher priced but great quality. They were just a little to far away from me. New York and I am in Fl.
grampaws
10-19-2005, 07:24 PM
Turbo people is a lot closer to me..they would be worth contacting..
Having family near there helps to...
I spoke with TurboPeople this morning and was told that they don't have the equipment to do custom kits.
He did recommend that I call Pande's Performance.
Dan
wchain
10-20-2005, 07:01 AM
Someone from NY called me a while back, he owned a company called 'Strictly Performance' talking about a turbo kit for a MM. Said he could custom make one...may need to look him up again.....
Big House
10-20-2005, 08:17 AM
I just looked at the PTK and from the looks of it nothing drops under the K-Member. If at 9 lbs this kit can make 460 or so to the wheels, why is it not as popular here. For those that haven seen the shots here they are.
wchain
10-20-2005, 08:18 AM
I just looked at the PTK and from the looks of it nothing drops under the K-Member. If at 9 lbs this kit can make 460 or so to the wheels, why is it not as popular here. For those that haven seen the shots here they are.
Because the usual price of it is MORE than a freakin Trilogy!
Big House
10-20-2005, 08:33 AM
You know I think they came to their senses. The price is now about 1500 less than the trilogy.
Rider90
10-20-2005, 08:55 AM
Because the usual price of it is MORE than a freakin Trilogy!
Careful about that. Around these parts any sentence with the word Trilogy will be disputed.
Big House
10-20-2005, 09:01 AM
I think he wa just making a point to the cost of a trilogy kit versus the PTK kit. Absolutly no bad mouthing Trilogy kits here.
cyclone03
10-20-2005, 09:05 AM
I just looked at the PTK and from the looks of it nothing drops under the K-Member. If at 9 lbs this kit can make 460 or so to the wheels, why is it not as popular here. For those that haven seen the shots here they are.
Whats missing in the pics is the exhaust side of the turbo.
The pics from the bottom just show the pressure side to the intercooler.
Big House
10-20-2005, 09:10 AM
Maybe that is a picture they can get published for us. WE will never know until the question is asked.
grampaws
10-20-2005, 09:35 AM
Probably more due to better bottom end torque..with a belt driven
blower...more important to drag racing enthusiasts which abound here..
and the short fall of our engines..
Careful about that. Around these parts any sentence with the word Trilogy will be disputed.
Dragcity
10-20-2005, 09:56 AM
I remember checking out a new Maserati Bi-Turbo back in the 80's One fast car....Sweet set-up too
So I guess we need to engineer thinks something like this:
Bi-Turbo - 4.90:1 Rear end - Add 5th and 6th gear to the tranny - 3500 stahl converter and hold on. We might want to widen all four wheels for this ride.
Who can get in touch with overhaulin' You can use my DTR...
RCSignals
10-20-2005, 01:34 PM
I think that was a hoax....and LORD LOGAN deleted 'UNSTOPPABLE' .
If it wasn't a hoax, I guess Callaway would know.
UNSTOPPABLE joined in September, but only had a couple of posts here.
I just looked at the PTK and from the looks of it nothing drops under the K-Member. If at 9 lbs this kit can make 460 or so to the wheels, why is it not as popular here. For those that haven seen the shots here they are.
It does drop under the k-member. But it is right at the wheels and it is oval tube so the clearance loss is VERY minimal. I just talked to Ernie a few days ago and he said he was purposly trying to get it hung on something for peace of mind and nothing came close.
He posted a while back with shots from the front and back of the car down low. You can not see the pipes.
Speculation by some is one thing. These are the facts. It does not interfere. Unless you 4-wheel drive your mm you will have no problem.
Maybe that is a picture they can get published for us. WE will never know until the question is asked.
I can send you any pic you need. I have the cd that comes with the kit with all the pictures that help during install.
PM me what shots you need and I will email them to you. You can post them here if you would like.
O's Fan Rich
10-21-2005, 05:41 AM
I can send you any pic you need. I have the cd that comes with the kit with all the pictures that help during install.
PM me what shots you need and I will email them to you. You can post them here if you would like.
If I recall, this setup is a single turbo, correct?
I realize that, as posted before, you can make the hp with properly sized single, but I like the "cool" factor of a twin setup.
I am interested in as many photos of the single setup as possible though.
Thanks.
From everything I can tell there isn't anyone even remotely willing to develop a twin other than HP Performance.
Has anyone called them yet or was I way off in thinking that there would be some excitement about this?
Best,
Dan
wchain
10-21-2005, 09:54 AM
Is there any benefit to twin vs 1 big turbo?
And is there even a remote possiblity that we would know more info about the costs?
Careful about that. Around these parts any sentence with the word Trilogy will be disputed.
I was meaing, if you're going to spend that much money, why woudlnt you just buy the better power adder, which, IMHO is the Trilogy.
Tallboy
10-21-2005, 10:10 AM
Careful about that. Around these parts any sentence with the word Trilogy will be disputed.
and, praytell, what exactly do you mean by this?
Big House
10-21-2005, 10:12 AM
The difference in the single versus twin is lag. lag is the time it takes to build boost. A small twin set-up will eliminate 90% of lag but the power isn't as great. A big single, is capible of producing big power, the problen is the bigger the turbo the bigger the lag. Most tuners I know are import tuners and they all like a single over dual set-ups.
grampaws
10-21-2005, 10:38 AM
There probably will be a limit to the interest..
there is no set amount for price...
Anyone interested would have feel secure..
that the company will back their product..
and many interested will not have the finances
at there finger tips...
The actual setup..there needs to be some kind
information about the intended design..and HP
expectations..
You'll have to keep the Thread alive and wait for people
to decide if this is a practical and feasible idea for them..
No one will commit to this if there are few details to explain
what is intended..You may have to do some R/D yourself
more detail for your plan..
grampaws
10-21-2005, 10:51 AM
Wouldn't the turbo size being matched to the engine and
HP requirements..as well as blow off valve and waste gate
setup have more of an effect on LAG than wether a single
or twin setup is used??:confused:
There probably will be a limit to the interest..
there is no set amount for price...
Anyone interested would have feel secure..
that the company will back their product..
and many interested will not have the finances
at there finger tips...
The actual setup..there needs to be some kind
information about the intended design..and HP
expectations..
You'll have to keep the Thread alive and wait for people
to decide if this is a practical and feasible idea for them..
No one will commit to this if there are few details to explain
what is intended..You may have to do some R/D yourself
more detail for your plan..
Thanks for your suggestion.
I guess I was hoping that folks would call for the sake of indicating their interest in the project.
Best,
Dan
grampaws
10-21-2005, 07:15 PM
I am very interested in your proposal...but I know the responses
I recieved ...Like we'll sell you the parts from
another kit at an inflated price but
we'll leave you all the R&D work...
torinodan
10-21-2005, 08:19 PM
It does drop under the k-member. But it is right at the wheels and it is oval tube so the clearance loss is VERY minimal. I just talked to Ernie a few days ago and he said he was purposly trying to get it hung on something for peace of mind and nothing came close.
He posted a while back with shots from the front and back of the car down low. You can not see the pipes.
Speculation by some is one thing. These are the facts. It does not interfere. Unless you 4-wheel drive your mm you will have no problem.Here's the pic of the pipe unless it has changed:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67 35
I am very interested in your proposal...but I know the responses
I recieved ...Like we'll sell you the parts from
another kit at an inflated price but
we'll leave you all the R&D work...
Please, don't be so quick to jump to that conclusion. I am confident that that is that last thing that they will tell you.
Make the call. You have little to lose.
Best,
Dan
RoyLPita
10-22-2005, 06:11 AM
I prefer a twin turbo system over a single because the vehicle retains its true dual exhaust.
Just my .02 and then some.
Wouldn't the turbo size being matched to the engine and
HP requirements..as well as blow off valve and waste gate
setup have more of an effect on LAG than wether a single
or twin setup is used??:confused:
Yes.... A properly sized turbo will eliminate almost all lag present. There is always a trade off. You want massive top end power, maybe you give us some down low.
You want massive down low power (and torque of course) then you give up something up top.
You want a good mix, then you size it appropriately.
These kind of trade offs are present on every power added made.
I prefer a twin turbo system over a single because the vehicle retains its true dual exhaust.
Just my .02 and then some.
Single or twin, you still keep dual exhaust. If by that you mean you have exhaust coming out both pipes.
It doesnt matter that the single turbo has a single downpipe. It still y's out to dual exhaust.
You actually get better flow from a larger single pipe than 2 smaller pipes. Thats why alot of people will keep a very large single downpipe and dump asap. Unless you want to keep the factory appearance which I do so thats why I will keep the y pipe in my setup for the forseeable future.
Thats it. Rich hasnt responded back with his email address. But when he does I will send him the appropriate pics. But the pic you posted is the correct pic of the y pipe and down pipe.
Here's the pic of the pipe unless it has changed:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67 35
Is there any benefit to twin vs 1 big turbo?
And is there even a remote possiblity that we would know more info about the costs?
I was meaing, if you're going to spend that much money, why woudlnt you just buy the better power adder, which, IMHO is the Trilogy.
This is one of the reasons I try to stay away from this board....
This thread is about exploring an option for a car. A twin turbo setup for the Mercury Marauder. With a sub topic of turbos for the car in general..
Then you have the nay sayers etc. opening their mouths giving opinions that were not asked for and are not appreciated. At least by me. Granted, its not my thread but it is a topic I enjoy talking about and happen to know a pretty good deal about.
I dont give a crap what you think is the best power adder for the marauder. That isnt part of this discussion. But you had to open your mouth and make it part. And you wonder why many good people from this board keep silent.....??????? :nono: :nono: :nono:
Trilogy is a great product and I wouldn't hesitate to put one on my car. But let a discussion about another option go unfettered please.......
grampaws
10-22-2005, 07:14 AM
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It sounds like we'll sell you a whole kit. not including the parts we know you
don't need then your on your own...doesn't sound like they care to much to help
...maybe I'm putting the wrong spin on it but that is how I read it..most
of there kits sell for 3995. to 5195..with programming,intercooler all connectting
pipes included..There was no break down in the price for the parts
that I would need..
I don't want to slam the company and maybe there is some room for negotiation for parts only!
chances are if you find someone to do the tuning and you could get a
better price as a complete package..
..But at this point until I find someone capable of to do the tuning there really
is no point buying the parts...
grampaws
10-22-2005, 08:30 AM
As I would be looking more driveabilty..than asphalt ripping Torque...
and minmal LAG..as I do not regularly drag race the low end torque..
is not as important to me...Getting a large group purchase might be
if everyone is not expecting the same results..
Yes.... A properly sized turbo will eliminate almost all lag present. There is always a trade off. You want massive top end power, maybe you give us some down low.
You want massive down low power (and torque of course) then you give up something up top.
You want a good mix, then you size it appropriately.
These kind of trade offs are present on every power added made.
Folks,
As you know, I have a history with trying to self moderate the threads that I start so please help me to keep this one on topic. This thread is about turbo's. I acknowledge that there are many strong opinions about other power adders and that there are many here who think supercharging is the way to go. There is no argument there.
However, in the interest of keeping this thread on point, on topic and productive, I request that comments about other power adders be restricted to A) new threads extolling their virtues (if such are really necessary):) or B) the forums on this site which are completely dedicated to the makers of those power adders.
Thanks for helping me out here, gang. I'm just trying to get some solid info while not stepping on anyones toes. :)
As always, you guys are great for doing what you can to help grow our knowledge base. Even if it is on the topic of turbos. :up:
Best,
Dan
As I would be looking more driveabilty..than asphalt ripping Torque...
and minmal LAG..as I do not regularly drag race the low end torque..
is not as important to me...Getting a large group purchase might be
if everyone is not expecting the same results..
Grampaws,
The cool thing is that, as we learn more about this, we learn that the real issue is in the actual development of fitment, intake and exhaust for the turbo(s).
Once that is all configured it is a fairly simple matter to adjust the set up to meet your particular wants and desires. At that point it becomes more a matter of changing replaceable items like turbos (different sizes), blow off valves (different spring rates), and etc.
There are even set-ups in development right now that allow you to almost "dial a tune" with your turbo so that Mom can drive it almost stock and you can drive it at full tilt boogie with the twist of a knob.
Best,
Dan
grampaws
10-22-2005, 10:52 AM
Mom,who if the car goes anywhere I'm driving!!
Scottie..Gimmie all she's got...Warp 9!
E- mail sent RE:HP turbos
AzMarauder
10-22-2005, 10:54 AM
This is one of the reasons I try to stay away from this board....
This thread is about exploring an option for a car. A twin turbo setup for the Mercury Marauder. With a sub topic of turbos for the car in general..
<Snip>
Trilogy is a great product and I wouldn't hesitate to put one on my car. But let a discussion about another option go unfettered please.......
I'm with ya on this Todd. I'm a new Trilogy owner myself.... but the different technology interests me. I run into the same thing when I take my Fairlane to the strip. It has dual 4bbls on it... and I'm having a devil of a time getting them jetted/tuned to run well. Seems like the line forms immediately to tell me how old school 2x4s are and to do this single carb and manifold or that single carb and manifold. I am about to make a sign that says something like...
"It is a street driven fun car that is built the way I want it to be. I will not change gears, shocks, carbs, or delete body panels, etc. WYSIWYG. It will run as well as I can make it run as it sits here. PERIOD" :P
marauderboi
10-22-2005, 11:47 AM
Is it possible to blow the motor with a turbo
grampaws
10-22-2005, 12:14 PM
yep! ablown motor is possible!
cyclone03
10-22-2005, 01:16 PM
I'm with ya on this Todd. I'm a new Trilogy owner myself.... but the different technology interests me. I run into the same thing when I take my Fairlane to the strip. It has dual 4bbls on it... and I'm having a devil of a time getting them jetted/tuned to run well. Seems like the line forms immediately to tell me how old school 2x4s are and to do this single carb and manifold or that single carb and manifold. I am about to make a sign that says something like...
"It is a street driven fun car that is built the way I want it to be. I will not change gears, shocks, carbs, or delete body panels, etc. WYSIWYG. It will run as well as I can make it run as it sits here. PERIOD" :P
If you don't have one get a fuel mixture indicator.
The info they can give helps alot once you learn which circuit the carb is operating in at what rpm.
Being it's a fun streeter get the idle and cruise nailed then work with the stri set up.
Sorry for the detour,back to the Turbo talk....
RCSignals
10-22-2005, 09:12 PM
Originally Posted by wchain
Is there any benefit to twin vs 1 big turbo?
And is there even a remote possiblity that we would know more info about the costs?
I was meaing, if you're going to spend that much money, why woudlnt you just buy the better power adder, which, IMHO is the Trilogy.
This is one of the reasons I try to stay away from this board....
This thread is about exploring an option for a car. A twin turbo setup for the Mercury Marauder. With a sub topic of turbos for the car in general..
Then you have the nay sayers etc. opening their mouths giving opinions that were not asked for and are not appreciated. At least by me. Granted, its not my thread but it is a topic I enjoy talking about and happen to know a pretty good deal about.
I dont give a crap what you think is the best power adder for the marauder. That isnt part of this discussion. But you had to open your mouth and make it part. And you wonder why many good people from this board keep silent.....??????? :nono: :nono: :nono:
Trilogy is a great product and I wouldn't hesitate to put one on my car. But let a discussion about another option go unfettered please.......
Why so sensitive TODD? You stay away because you don't like or can't stand discussion and individual opinion?
It's only discussion. He asked an honest question, and said he likes the Trilogy setup as an alternative, not that it is the only thing that should be used.
Why not answer his question about the turbo?
David Morton
10-23-2005, 03:09 AM
I got started thinking about this just over a year ago on this thread (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13423&page=4&pp=15&highlight=turbocharger).
Since then this system (http://www.ststurbo.com/mustang_dyno), is starting to look like it might be a very good idea for us.
And I even criticised the first one I saw because nobody had done it before and it went contrary to every explanation of why turbos needed to be as close to the exhaust ports as possible.
Since I got off the "defend the established ideas" soapbox and had time to ruminate the concept, I'm convinced this location for the turbocharger, (at the back of the car, replacing the mufflers) will change the way we think about boost, lag, backpressure and rehabilitate the turbo making it a more desireable as well as reliable forced induction system.
Check it out. The Squires Turbo Systems home page (http://www.ststurbo.com/home).
If you want to get somebody interested in our car for a dual turbo setup, these are probably the guys that'll perk up their ears and listen.<CLICK p there<>
Big House
10-23-2005, 05:46 AM
While impressive as it was, and is, I think the Twin set-up by squires id going to be out of the conventional cost range for a poweradder package. I could be wrong, but I don think this will be economically priced. My vote is for t he PTK kit. Not to mention I love the two way down pipe. Yes it goes below the cross member but with the right skid plate I think your investment would be well protected.
I don't know if going under the cross member would be such a bad thing for me. I haven't driven my car under any circumstances which would make me worry about something like that.
Dan
Why so sensitive TODD? You stay away because you don't like or can't stand discussion and individual opinion?
It's only discussion. He asked an honest question, and said he likes the Trilogy setup as an alternative, not that it is the only thing that should be used.
Why not answer his question about the turbo?
Gents,
Please continue this discussion via PM. :up:
Thanks.
Best,
Dan
I found this link on the STS site to be most interesting...
http://www.ststurbo.com/f_a_q
Under $4,000.00 plus less install costs???? I think I am calling them tomorrow. :)
Dan
Why so sensitive TODD? You stay away because you don't like or can't stand discussion and individual opinion?
It's only discussion. He asked an honest question, and said he likes the Trilogy setup as an alternative, not that it is the only thing that should be used.
Why not answer his question about the turbo?
PM sent mr. sensitive.....
I found this link on the STS site to be most interesting...
http://www.ststurbo.com/f_a_q
Under $4,000.00 plus less install costs???? I think I am calling them tomorrow. :)
Dan
It sounds pretty interesting... I'll be interested to find out what you learn....
You know me! I'll share what I learn. I like to share. :)
Dan
wchain
10-23-2005, 07:15 PM
This is one of the reasons I try to stay away from this board....
This thread is about exploring an option for a car. A twin turbo setup for the Mercury Marauder. With a sub topic of turbos for the car in general..
Then you have the nay sayers etc. opening their mouths giving opinions that were not asked for and are not appreciated. At least by me. Granted, its not my thread but it is a topic I enjoy talking about and happen to know a pretty good deal about.
I dont give a crap what you think is the best power adder for the marauder. That isnt part of this discussion. But you had to open your mouth and make it part. And you wonder why many good people from this board keep silent.....??????? :nono: :nono: :nono:
Trilogy is a great product and I wouldn't hesitate to put one on my car. But let a discussion about another option go unfettered please.......
I said IMHO. In my Humble Opinion. Last time I checked, my opinion was not gospel or fact. Just my opinion.
I have neither a Turbo or SC on my car, and probably will not do one until the car is out of warranty. At the rate I drive it, it would be a long time. I did in fact go to the PTK Website several months ago and look at their kit. And :drool: over it for a long while. The price was high,but it has since gone on "Sale". And is priced less than a trilogy. I dont think I was out of line, I asked a question about single vs twin, and I was replying to Rider90 stating not to say bad things about trilogy.
I never said any bad things about PTK or any Turbochargers in general. I also did post in the same thread about an outfit in NY that is willing to do a turbo kit for the MM. I dont believe my personal opinion warranted a personal attack on me.
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