What is the trilogy capable of?

[1993SE]

Well as the title says, I would like to know what the trilogy supercharger is capable of as in how much power is it rated for, and is it upgradable? I think that this S/C is awesome looking on the car, but I am interested in serious power. I have a 93 notch that is in the 10s and a 93 vert special edition, both with 5.0s and I am looking into giving mod motors a try. Also what is the fastest 1/4 time any marauder has went?

I have been watching this sight for a while now and it looks as if there are some pretty nice people here so I figure I will toss in a few questions I was interested in and I am sure someone will answer for me.

[MM03MOK]

:welcome: Many places to start. Look in the Timeslips area and the Garage (links at the top of the page) to find some awesome track times and extensive lists of mods. Details in Timeslips also links you to Member profiles for more details about drag times and possibly mods in their signature.

[STLR FN]

To answer breifly: Fastest: that would be Jerry Barnes' Marauder at 11.21.
Well as the title says, I would like to know what the trilogy supercharger is capable of as in how much power is it rated for, and is it upgradable? I think that this S/C is awesome looking on the car, but I am interested in serious power. I have a 93 notch that is in the 10s and a 93 vert special edition, both with 5.0s and I am looking into giving mod motors a try. Also what is the fastest 1/4 time any marauder has went?

I have been watching this sight for a while now and it looks as if there are some pretty nice people here so I figure I will toss in a few questions I was interested in and I am sure someone will answer for me.

[MI2QWK4U]

Wow...great question! On the timeslip page you have some of the fastest Marauders in the world that are Trilogy Powered, in that list numbers 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8 , 9 in the top ten are all Trilogy powered! Jerry's Marauder is KING of the hill at a whopping 11.21 quarter mile time! Bone stock with a Trilogy will get you 13.x quarter mile times. So there is your spread in results depending on mods and how far you want to upgrading it.

I also heard a couple of Trilogy cars Killed a mighty Ford GT at a Michigan dragstrip last thursday. That should be a good indication of what a Trilogy Marauder is fully capable of....

[Bluerauder]

I also heard a couple of Trilogy cars Killed a mighty Ford GT at a Michigan dragstrip last thursday.
Now where did you hear such a thing .. ;) :lol:

[Jerry Barnes]

O.K. let's try this again. Virgil Woodward did 185 mph with a Stock Trilogy Supercharged Marauder and 3:55 gears. Trooper buddy clock him at 185 mph on a new highway that was not opened as yet. Clocked him with a radar gun. I don't know what happened to my last post!

If you need Virgils' telephone number please call me (313)336-6135.

Thanks

[Tallboy]

O.K. let's try this again. Virgil Woodward did 185 mph with a Stock Trilogy Supercharged Marauder and 3:55 gears. Trooper buddy clock him at 185 mph on a new highway that was not opened as yet. Clocked him with a radar gun. I don't know what happened to my last post!

If you need Virgils' telephone number please call me (313)336-6135.

Thanks

It's in the "top speed" thread, old buddy. Have some coffee, will ya? :coffee: :lol:

[MM2004]

Yep, What ^^^^^he^^^^ said.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22070


It's in the "top speed" thread, old buddy. Have some coffee, will ya? :coffee: :lol:

[1993SE]

Thanks for all the replies:) I checked out the timeslips a while back, and I saw that 11.2 and I was very impressed, good job. What I was wondering though is how much boost can be made without having severe belt slip.

One more question, does anyone know the fastest Marauder in the country? I saw one on the Livernois website and that thing looked bad, sheet metal intake, F-1r I believe. Guys name was Carvin that thing looks fast enough to beat my notch, just wondering if anyone knew anything about it. Thanks guys:beer:

[Bradley G]

What is the trilogy capable of? {quote}
"able to leap tall buildings in a single bound":banana2:

[dwasson]

What is the trilogy capable of?

I've heard that Darryl intends to have his Trilogy do his taxes.

[MI2QWK4U]

I've heard that Darryl intends to have his Trilogy do his taxes.


Yep, I hear the Trilogy will finish his taxes in record time...Fastest of them all.

[jgc61sr2002]

1993SE - Welcome to the Mercury Marauder site. :welcome: This is the best site bar none. :D

[1993SE]

Yeah this sight looks pretty good, but I don't know, maybe I should go with the F.I.T. system, because the procharger on my notch makes me sandwiches.:D

[STLR FN]

Unless he has a timeslip from an actual dragstrip. The fastest Marauder in the country with a posted timeslip is Jerry Barnes' Trilogy #1
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One more question, does anyone know the fastest Marauder in the country? I saw one on the Livernois website and that thing looked bad, sheet metal intake, F-1r I believe. Guys name was Carvin that thing looks fast enough to beat my notch, just wondering if anyone knew anything about it. Thanks guys:beer:

[Rider90]

Unless he has a timeslip from an actual dragstrip. The fastest Marauder in the country with a posted timeslip is Jerry Barnes' Trilogy #1
600 RWHP - Carvin's 2003 Marauder @ Livernois (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/n_gallery.phtml?gk=173&t=rides)
I bet this thing can haul ass...

[DEFYANT]

I wonder why this guy isn't here? I noticed he runs the lil air filter in the cam covers we heard so much of lately.

[MI2QWK4U]

I just noticed your mention of your "notch" with the procharger... Are you also going to post in the Procharger Forum and see What a FIT Procharger is Capable of?, since you might be leaning that way anyway. It realy isnt fair to compare what your notch does compared to any Marauder Setup.

[1993SE]

I completely agree with you on the comparison, I wasn't doing that at all. I would never put a fox body in the same "class" as a MM,GM,or CV. (that statement wasn't made to piss people off)

I know what prochargers are capable of so I didn't really feel the need to ask in that forum. The deal is I am looking into starting another show/go car project. I have a yellow 93 vert right now that fits that bill, but I am going to give it to my mom for her birthday, therefore I will be driving my notch as my daily until I get something else.

I like marauders and always have so I was looking into it. I just figured that a Procharger would be good for go but not so much show, and the trilogy would be good for show but I didn't know how it would do for go, that is why I was asking. I guess I could email trilogy and ask them the max boost level for the kit.:beer:

later

[MI2QWK4U]

Jerry is probably the best one to explain the range and spectrum of mods done to various Trilogy cars. He has sold well over 110 kits, some are as bone stock as they rolled off the line, save the blower, and others like his, Lidios, Mikes, mine are more heavily modded. Stock setup will yield 9.5 lbs boost. The kit comes with a 3.4 blower pulley. You can run the 3.4, 3.2, 3.0, or 2.8. A few of us are running the 2.8 pully and get 13-13.5 lbs of boost. Add some exhaust work, throttle body, MAF, upgraded fuel pump, and you are really getting things done. Depending on how wild you want to go. Lidio has built up all of the top timeslip Trilogy Marauders and really has things nailed down as to what combos work best together. He built up those top 4 Marauders with times of 11.2, 11.4, 11.5, 11.9 seconds! Mike and I had fun running a Ford GT last week and both came out on top, that speaks volumes for a 4800 lb family sedan. Hope this helps out...

[1993SE]

Cool, that is what I was looking for, Thanks.

I have never really seen a roots up close and personal, so this may be a dumb question, but can you replace the compressor part of this s/c with a bigger/badder one?

Thanks again:beer:

[MI2QWK4U]

Cool, that is what I was looking for, Thanks.

I have never really seen a roots up close and personal, so this may be a dumb question, but can you replace the compressor part of this s/c with a bigger/badder one?

Thanks again:beer:


That would be a question for Jerry or Lidio. I'll tell you it seems to be bad enough!

[1993SE]

Well, I was checking out the pictures on trilogy's website and I saw a torn down view of everything and it looked to me that the top(compressor) was disconnected from the base manifold. So in theory it would be possible to change it, if there is even one bigger than the one that you guys have. It is just my luck that for some reason my computer decided it didn't want me to e-mail either Mr. Barnes or Lidio, so hopeflly they might come across this and help me out with an answer.


Anyway, thanks for the answers that I did get, :beer:

[MikesMerc]

Unfortunately the compressor case is custom to the Trilogy kit and swapping in another compressor isn't going to be practical. Furthermore, the guts of the compressor (rotors and gears) is the eaton m112 unit. That is currently the biggest unti they make. So, any variation in compressor case isn't really going to help. Now, eaton is introducing a larger unti soon. However, the guts (rotors and gears) will not fit into the same size case trilogy uses.

Bottom line is that the m112 compressor that comes with the trilogy kit is all you're going to get to fit. That said, consider that the m112 is the same blower that powers the cobra dohc 4.6 and the 5.4 motor in the Ford GT supercar. It makes plenty of boost for most applications....and it makes it where it counts most for a heavy car...in the low to mid range.

[Jerry Barnes]

Well, I was checking out the pictures on trilogy's website and I saw a torn down view of everything and it looked to me that the top(compressor) was disconnected from the base manifold. So in theory it would be possible to change it, if there is even one bigger than the one that you guys have. It is just my luck that for some reason my computer decided it didn't want me to e-mail either Mr. Barnes or Lidio, so hopeflly they might come across this and help me out with an answer.

Anyway, thanks for the answers that I did get, :beer:

1993SE,

You are correct. Our unit could have a larger roots type or screw type supercharger added in place of the current roots unit. We have talked about that for some time. I can't say much about it now, but it is definately in the discussion phase. Stay tuned! If you want to discuss different mods, please give me a call and I will tell you what I know(313)336-6135. Lidio is another excellent source of information(586)463-0010.

Please call, I am a slow typist.

Jerry

[Joe Walsh]

1993SE,

You are correct. Our unit could have a larger roots type or screw type supercharger added in place of the current roots unit. We have talked about that for some time. I can't say much about it now, but it is definately in the discussion phase. Stay tuned!

Jerry

Holy Whipplechargers BATMAN!!!

A Twin Screw Trilogy ??

As they say in the NIKE commercials...

Just DO IT!

JUST DO IT! :banana2: :banana: :banana: :banana2:

[MikesMerc]

1993SE,

You are correct. Our unit could have a larger roots type or screw type supercharger added in place of the current roots unit. We have talked about that for some time. I can't say much about it now, but it is definately in the discussion phase. Stay tuned! If you want to discuss different mods, please give me a call and I will tell you what I know(313)336-6135. Lidio is another excellent source of information(586)463-0010.

Please call, I am a slow typist.

Jerry


Jeez Jerry, I went out of my way not to let the cat out of the bag, and you spill the beans:D

The lid is off now.... :eek:

[DEFYANT]

That ought to put these cars into the 10s!!!

[1993SE]

That ought to put these cars into the 10s!!!

Which is where I was going:D

[Joe Walsh]

OOOH HOO HOO!!!.....Lots of 'chop licking' going on here! :drool:

Mailman delivers one large ACME Twin Screw S/C box to Jerry's test cave...
Jerry reviews large blueprint plan of new Supercharger system....
Lots of clanging and hammering heard inside test cave...
Two days later, Jerry emerges from cave with incredible new ground thumping Trilogy S/C kit, and as he laughs demonically, proclaims: WILE E. COYOTE....GENIOUS!


( My mind is reeling with thoughts of this Twin Screw kit bolted to my new engine....
BUT what tranny and rear can I put behind this monster that will withstand the onslaught of torque and horsepower THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE RPM RANGE!?!?)
hmmmmmm.....500+ ft lbs from 2200-6500 rpm! :eek:

[1993SE]

I am not trying to take anyones business here, but check this out http://www.factorytechtransmissions.c om/ they make a 4r70w, now I haven't seen one of these personally, but if they are anything like the E4OD monsterbox they are awesome, If you know anything about the e4od then you know 750hp going through one in a 1st gen lightning is quite impressive. Daily driver with 13,000 miles so far with no problems, I thought it was quite a feat myself.

[Jerry Barnes]

I am not trying to take anyones business here, but check this out http://www.factorytechtransmissions.c om/ they make a 4r70w, now I haven't seen one of these personally, but if they are anything like the E4OD monsterbox they are awesome, If you know anything about the e4od then you know 750hp going through one in a 1st gen lightning is quite impressive. Daily driver with 13,000 miles so far with no problems, I thought it was quite a feat myself.

1993SE,

Thanks for the information. I just had the transmissions changed in Trilogy #1 and Trilogy #2. I am going to give this to my Trans Guys and ask how this compares to what I have in the new transmissions. Very helpful!

Thanks

Jerry

[1993SE]

I just thought I would throw that in since they make a 4r70w , I have seen a few "built" e4ods and I feel the monsterbox is the best, very impressive.

[Joe Walsh]

1993SE,

You are correct. Our unit could have a larger roots type or screw type supercharger added in place of the current roots unit. We have talked about that for some time. I can't say much about it now, but it is definately in the discussion phase. Stay tuned!

Jerry

:bump:

TWIN SCREW....TWIN SCREW.....TWIN SCREW.....TWIN SCREW....TWIN SCREW!!! :banana2: :banana2: :burnout:

[Rider90]

Holy Whipplechargers BATMAN!!!

A Twin Screw Trilogy ??

As they say in the NIKE commercials...

Just DO IT!

JUST DO IT! :banana2: :banana: :banana: :banana2:
I second the motion.

[Dan]

:bump:

TWIN SCREW....TWIN SCREW.....TWIN SCREW.....TWIN SCREW....TWIN SCREW!!! :banana2: :banana2: :burnout:

(Dan resists urges to ask if Jerry knows any twins. :) )

How does this compare to what is in the Trilogy now? Isn't the Trilogy currently giving us max output for our engines sans rebuild?

Best,

Dan

[Dan]

1993SE,

Thanks for the information. I just had the transmissions changed in Trilogy #1 and Trilogy #2. I am going to give this to my Trans Guys and ask how this compares to what I have in the new transmissions. Very helpful!

Thanks

Jerry

Hmm. Please tell us a little more about this Jerry. How many miles on the old ones? If this a necessary replacement or an upgrade? If the old ones failed would you attibute the Trilogy to the reason why or the nature of the particular Trilogy set up?

Thanks,

Dan

[Joe Walsh]

(Dan resists urges to ask if Jerry knows any twins. :) )

How does this compare to what is in the Trilogy now? Isn't the Trilogy currently giving us max output for our engines sans rebuild?

Best,

Dan

Twin Screw S/Cs are more efficient than a Roots type S/C...they create less heat, and they produce more boost in the higher rpm ranges.
(their boost output does not fall off at higher rpms as compared to a roots)

As far as engine durability, any supercharger adds more stress to an engine.
The key to longevity is in the tune as well as the maximum boost AND maximum RPM that the S/C engine is subjected to.

[MikesMerc]

(Dan resists urges to ask if Jerry knows any twins. :) )

How does this compare to what is in the Trilogy now? Isn't the Trilogy currently giving us max output for our engines sans rebuild?


Yep...the current kit offers all the power you can handle on a stock motor. A twin screw wouldn't offer much more boost down low, or on the mid range, but it would add some silley PSI at the mid to top end. Jerry, Dave, and I have all made over 500 rwhp with the trilogy kit with the current eaton m112 unit. That's already beyond what would be considered safe for the stock block.

Accordingly, I'd think that a twin screw compressor upgrade would be for the guys that "want more" and have the bottom end that can handle it.




Hmm. Please tell us a little more about this Jerry. How many miles on the old ones? If this a necessary replacement or an upgrade? If the old ones failed would you attibute the Trilogy to the reason why or the nature of the particular Trilogy set up?



Jerry is away right now, so I'll give you a temporary answer until his return when he will post himself about this.

But, the bottom line is that a twin screw upgrade option is NOT needed. There is absolutely no problem with the current eaton roots compressor. The ONLY reason to offer the upgrade is to give those guys a chance to push insane power levels for those that want it....period. A good twin screw set up can make 700 rwhp on a built motor. The thing to consider is the weak link theory. If you want that kind of power, you need to be worried about everything else too...trans, axles, rear end, control arms, etc, etc,etc.

Jerry was considering the twin screw option for 2 percenters that wanted the absolute best power making option.

[Joe Walsh]

Accordingly, I'd think that a twin screw compressor upgrade would be for the guys that "want more" and have the bottom end that can handle it.






The ONLY reason to offer the upgrade is to give those guys a chance to push insane power levels for those that want it....period. A good twin screw set up can make 700 rwhp on a built motor. The thing to consider is the weak link theory. If you want that kind of power, you need to be worried about everything else too...trans, axles, rear end, control arms, etc, etc,etc.

Trans: check
control arms: check
driveshaft: check
forged engine: check
axles and rear end: to be addressed this winter...check
widened rims and Nittos: to be added this winter...check




Jerry was considering the twin screw option for 2 percenters that wanted the absolute best power making option.

Mike is right... the Trilogy is a great system with the EatonRoots S/C...but...

I'm a 2 percenter and want the absolute best power adder for my forged 5.0 DOHC!

YES! INSANE POWER LEVELS sound just about right! heh heh heh :D

[MikesMerc]

Mike is right... the Trilogy is a great system with the EatonRoots S/C...but...

I'm a 2 percenter and want the absolute best power adder for my forged 5.0 DOHC!

YES! INSANE POWER LEVELS sound just about right! heh heh heh :D

If that's what you're looking for, Jerry just might be able to fit the bill:D