The boy said "Hemi".

[David Morton]

I was coming home from taking my daughter to school this morning and I'm waiting at this light while a Dodge Ram 150 comes drifting up to the light in the next lane, which is empty. He expects to give me a view of his licence plate. :D

(Lots of people expect to slingshot around the guy there stopped but everybody gets suprised when the guy is me.) :cool:

The light changes and I stab it and he doesn't even get a front fender next to my rear, but guess what? The very next light is red. I roll down the passenger window to say Hi but he isn't talking, just pulls up too far, past the line, so now he's got a fender on me! But we're both stopped now and he's got a handicap, fine by me. The light changes, we both punch the carpet, and my girl Quicksilver steadily pulls the Ram 150 and before we get to the next light I'm two car lengths ahead of him.

He's pulled into the left turn lane this time, I roll down the window and he wants to talk. I say, "What you got in that thing!" (the sun's in my eyes) and he says, "Hemi.", just like that little boy in the commercial. His passenger says, "That thing moves man."

I then looked at the HEMI fender badge. looked back up at the two guys and said...

"It's not enough!"

I love it. :D

[DEFYANT]

HEMI!?

If that is an answer, then we should respond with "DOHC"

They are quick for trucks though.

[Blackened300a]

They are a little heavier then us, have more displacement, More Stock Horsepower and Torque, But yet can't hang.
I really Love this car!

[Krytin]

The AWD's loose even more power through drivetrain loses.

[HwyCruiser]

I love those HEMI's... all the more fun to play with when they get caught up in the hype of the commercials. ;)

[David Morton]

What was so funny about it was the way the guy said "Hemi".

Not kidding, it was just like the little boy in the commercial. High voice, head dips down from that two year old weak neck syndrome thing. I laughed about it for two hours.

Can you say hemi?

HEMI!

:lol:

[gray bear]

Well let's put this in perspective. A hemi ram truck curb weight is 5532 lbs and horsepower at 345 which yields a 16.03 lbs per horsepower ratio.
The marauder curb weight is 4400 lbs and horsepower of 302, which yeilds a 14.56 lbs per horsepower ratio.
So, you should have beat it. Not an impressive kill.

[Haggis]

Well let's put this in perspective. A hemi ram truck curb weight is 5532 lbs and horsepower at 345 which yields a 16.03 lbs per horsepower ratio.
The marauder curb weight is 4400 lbs and horsepower of 302, which yeilds a 14.56 lbs per horsepower ratio.
So, you should have beat it. Not an impressive kill.
But sometimes it is not the other vehicle you smoke, but the attitude of the driver.

Can you say 'Hemi', sure I knew you could. :lol:

[Blackened300a]

Well let's put this in perspective. A hemi ram truck curb weight is 5532 lbs and horsepower at 345 which yields a 16.03 lbs per horsepower ratio.
The marauder curb weight is 4400 lbs and horsepower of 302, which yeilds a 14.56 lbs per horsepower ratio.
So, you should have beat it. Not an impressive kill.

OUCH!! What a Buzz Kill when you break it down like that.

[twolow]

I love to kill the cokiness (if that is a word) of other drivers. When a stupid ricer in a old banged up Neon or lowrider truck toys with me I love putting them in their place.

I think thats what this is...guys thinking they have it all because they have a hemi, si, turbo, rt, gt, etc as a badge on their fender and they get crushed by a badgeless taxi cab :P

[Blackened300a]

badgeless taxi cab :P

HEY!!! :nono: At least say its a un-marked police interceptor, not a TAXI!!

[twolow]

HEY!!! :nono: At least say its a un-marked police interceptor, not a TAXI!!

LOL, ok :P .

I always imagine the passenger in the ricer car looking at the driver and saying "Dude, that grandma just kicked your azz!"

[David Morton]

HEY!!! :nono: At least say its a un-marked police interceptor, not a TAXI!!That's an unmarked "police interceptor, interceptor", as in, Dispatch: "Sherrif, deputy Jones just had his cruiser stolen by a crack head and he's headed south on highway 40 at over 100 mph." Sherrif: "Call my cousin Bubba. He's got a Marauder."

Oh and peace on you too "gray bear", I wasn't trying to make it seem like my mods have done something fantastic, beating a 2-1/2 ton truck. It was about the way the boy thought he had something bad-a$$, and how he said "Hemi" like that. I thought you guys could appreciate the humor. I wasn't looking for any awards. Go dump your bucket of reality water on somebody that cares what you think.

Not everything is a competition man. I don't go trying Corvette C6s' expecting to beat them.

Even if I can out-stop them.

[MarauderTJA]

Well let's put this in perspective. A hemi ram truck curb weight is 5532 lbs and horsepower at 345 which yields a 16.03 lbs per horsepower ratio.
The marauder curb weight is 4400 lbs and horsepower of 302, which yeilds a 14.56 lbs per horsepower ratio.
So, you should have beat it. Not an impressive kill.

Yeah, but a good kill anyway.:D Chrysler has marketed the Hemi name to the max. Other than hemi heads, the "real" Hemi was a 426 monster motor. The 5.7 Hemi doesn't even come close to the 426. Now the SRT-8 Hemi is a different beast with forged internals and I believe 6.1 liter.

[David Morton]

My thing with the word "Hemi" is that it's only a brand name. Chrysler has the copywrite on the word, a brand name. They could make a toaster and call it a Hemi. The heads aren't jack-***** compared to ours. We have dual overhead cams, four valves per cylinder, and the only innovation that the venerable 426 Hemi had, specifically that the valves opened towards the center of the cylinder improving intake and exhaust breathing hasn't got anything on us either. We have that too. The guys that bought the new "Hemis" for the last couple of years and thought they were getting something better or innovative didn't know the technology.

Our heads are better than the "hemi" heads. Our engine represents the pinnacle of four stroke internal combustion engine technology, if you don't count the Northstars' "turn off the cylinders" gadgetry.

Here's some math for ya' gray bear. Our 302 hp engine makes 65 hp per liter while that neat-o hemi makes only 60 hp per liter. As I said before, it's not enough.

[StevenJ]

My thing with the word "Hemi" is that it's only a brand name. Chrysler has the copywrite on the word, a brand name. They could make a toaster and call it a Hemi. The heads aren't jack-***** compared to ours. We have dual overhead cams, four valves per cylinder, and the only innovation that the venerable 426 Hemi had, specifically that the valves opened towards the center of the cylinder improving intake and exhaust breathing hasn't got anything on us either. We have that too. The guys that bought the new "Hemis" for the last couple of years and thought they were getting something better or innovative didn't know the technology.

Our heads are better than the "hemi" heads. Our engine represents the pinnacle of four stroke internal combustion engine technology, if you don't count the Northstars' "turn off the cylinders" gadgetry.

Here's some math for ya' gray bear. Our 302 hp engine makes 65 hp per liter while that neat-o hemi makes only 60 hp per liter. As I said before, it's not enough.

Gm's Northstar engine is actually equally, if not a bit more advanced than our Intech V8. It is also a DOHC 4v V8 but I believe it runs on 89 instead of 91. I also think it may have VCT though I'm not sure. Still, a good motor anyway.

[Blackened300a]

Gm's Northstar engine is actually equally, if not a bit more advanced than our Intech V8. It is also a DOHC 4v V8 but I believe it runs on 89 instead of 91. I also think it may have VCT though I'm not sure. Still, a good motor anyway.

You can run a northstar on 87. My mother has a 03 DTS and thats all she uses. Excellent motor but it sounds like its coming apart when you start it on a cold morning.

[Krytin]

My thing with the word "Hemi" is that it's only a brand name. Chrysler has the copywrite on the word, a brand name. They could make a toaster and call it a Hemi. The heads aren't jack-***** compared to ours. We have dual overhead cams, four valves per cylinder, and the only innovation that the venerable 426 Hemi had, specifically that the valves opened towards the center of the cylinder improving intake and exhaust breathing hasn't got anything on us either. We have that too. The guys that bought the new "Hemis" for the last couple of years and thought they were getting something better or innovative didn't know the technology.

Our heads are better than the "hemi" heads. Our engine represents the pinnacle of four stroke internal combustion engine technology, if you don't count the Northstars' "turn off the cylinders" gadgetry.

Here's some math for ya' gray bear. Our 302 hp engine makes 65 hp per liter while that neat-o hemi makes only 60 hp per liter. As I said before, it's not enough.
Thanks Dave - VERY well put!
It would be nice if other people could see the logic. Maybe we should post this on one of the "hemi" boards but somehow I don't think they would get it!

[David Morton]

Gm's Northstar engine is actually equally, if not a bit more advanced than our Intech V8. It is also a DOHC 4v V8 but I believe it runs on 89 instead of 91. I also think it may have VCT though I'm not sure. Still, a good motor anyway.I worked for a Cadillac store for six months once. The Northstar engine is more advanced if you count the hydraulic system that turns off valves when not needed. I don't call that performance technology, and made mention of that in my post. And being able to run on 89 or even 87 octane isn't a sign of a more advanced engine, it's a sign of a lower compression engine.

Krytin, it's always nice to preach to the choir. But trying to tell the hemi boys they don't have the greatest engine woud be like telling a heroin addict or crack-head they don't need their drug. They'll be deaf to it and see it as only criticism.

With the tune mine is probably making more like 70 hp per liter. :D But we need to watch out on this topic. Some 1.8 and 2.0 liter four bangers are doing better than we are when it comes to power per liter. It's because they are lighter. The best engine for that ratio is a model airplane engine, it makes 350 hp per liter! Of course it is only a .001 liter engine.

:lol:

[TripleTransAm]

I worked for a Cadillac store for six months once. The Northstar engine is more advanced if you count the hydraulic system that turns off valves when not needed. I don't call that performance technology, and made mention of that in my post. And being able to run on 89 or even 87 octane isn't a sign of a more advanced engine, it's a sign of a lower compression engine.

Depends on the Northstar.

The 10.3:1 Northstar of the late 90s required premium fuel. With some combustion chamber rework, a simple drop of .3 in compression ratio allowed it to run regular fuel. That's 10.0:1 on regular fuel thanks to a good combustion chamber design (faster burn).

Our motors have 10.1:1 compression, and can't feed on anything less than 91 octane without inducing heart palpitations. With the same overall displacement. With better low end and midrange efficiency.

Sometimes performance technology isn't about gadgetry... there's a lot to be gained in efficiency through simplicity.

[David Morton]

Depends on the Northstar.

The 10.3:1 Northstar of the late 90s required premium fuel. With some combustion chamber rework, a simple drop of .3 in compression ratio allowed it to run regular fuel. That's 10.0:1 on regular fuel thanks to a good combustion chamber design (faster burn).

Our motors have 10.1:1 compression, and can't feed on anything less than 91 octane without inducing heart palpitations. With the same overall displacement. With better low end and midrange efficiency.

Sometimes performance technology isn't about gadgetry... there's a lot to be gained in efficiency through simplicity.Good point, the simple solution is often the best one.

I wouldn't give much of the credit to the head design for the 10:1 Northstar engine running regular fuel though, probably had more to do with air/fuel management. The aluminum head is so much better than cast iron in this respect there really is only very small gains to be made on design tweaks like combustion chamber design. I dare say with the right tune program we could run regular.

[TripleTransAm]

I dare say with the right tune program we could run regular.


Possibly. But we would probably kiss our 302 hp goodbye. And what precious little low end torque we get to begin with.

[David Morton]

Possibly. But we would probably kiss our 302 hp goodbye. And what precious little low end torque we get to begin with.Oh there's no "possibly" to it. I remember guys jetting dual carburetors on tunnel-rams back in the 70s to run pump gas on engines with pop-up pistons, 12.5:1 compression, and cams that wouldn't idle below 1200 rpm. They'd run great on 89 but you could smell 'em a mile away. The exhaust pipes would drip unburned fuel at idle and the fumes would wilt the grass on the side of the highway. We'd talk about gallons per mile, but at 49.9c a gallon who cared?

:lol:

You're right though, we'd lose that 302 hp.

[Black Mac]

:alone: Im just glad that some one is getting a little action with there mm, to many black goverment issue (GI) CV's to get any around TN. But everybody gets out of the way!

[Leadfoot281]

I always thought than an engines resistance to detonation was primarily due to the heads shape and combustion chambers efficiency/and or quench area. Example; Ford flathead. Run 10-1cr in that and you'd better have 116 octane.

Anyone remember the ZR1 Corvette? 345cid, 32 valve, alloy block and heads. 375-405hp (depending on year). Yet the current Z06 has 405hp with only 16 valves and one cam!

I'd rather do a cam swap in an LT-1 or LS-6 than our DOHC. I love my Marauder, but an AMC 401 under the hood would have been a better choice.

Hp/liter has never won a race.

[SILVERMARAUDER]

NICE KILL!!! ON THE HEMI! IT IS ABOUT THE DRIVER AND TEACHING HIM A LESSON SAFELY. I SPANKED A HEMI CREW CAB WITH MY 1995 XLT F-350 CREW CAB DIESEL DUALLY POWERSTROKE IT IS ALL BUT STOCK IT HAS THE FULL BANKS INTERCOOLED AND MORE AND WILL FLAT HALL A$$.

THE WIFE AND I WERE HAVING A NICE CRUISE HOME AFTER A MEAL UP IN TOWN AND ROAD GOES TO TWO LANE AND THIS GUY IN A HEMI BLOWS PAST ME AND GIVES THE LOOK "I AT HIS POINT DID NOT GET INTO IT" AND LOW AND BEHOLD 1/4 MILE DOWN THE ROAD THERE HE IS AT A RED LIGHT :coolman: LIGHT TURNS GREEN I HAD TO DO IT HE GETS A FENDER ON ME THEN IT IS ALL OVER AFTER THAT NEXT THING YOU KNOW HE IS AT MY BACK QUARTER AND THEN I PULLED TWO TRUCK LENTH'S AND GAVE HIM A GOOD WIFF OF DIESEL NOW THAT IS A POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO BABY!

[Vortech347]

Wasn't the term hemi derived off "hemispherical cylinder head" with the spark plug in the middle?

Mopar prolly sat on it to wait till sales were in the toilet then said "hey....Hemi...people hear that and wet their pants..."

I fear no Hemi.

[Blackened300a]

Wasn't the term hemi derived off "hemispherical cylinder head" with the spark plug in the middle?

You are correct sir. Something now common in some cars from all the Manufacturers, Is now a Selling point to lure people into the Chrysler dealership thinking that they are getting a piece of history from the muscle car era.
Ignorance is bliss for the general public and thats what Chrysler is banking on

[SILVERMARAUDER]

You are correct sir. Something now common in some cars from all the Manufacturers, Is now a Selling point to lure people into the Chrysler dealership thinking that they are getting a piece of history from the muscle car era.
Ignorance is bliss for the general public and thats what Chrysler is banking on
UHH WE RESEMBLE THESE REMARKS IE: LIKE THE WHOLE MARKETING SKEEM MERCURY USED ON THE "MARAUDER"

[Vortech347]

Yes but the Marauder is something special. And 99% of the people on this board arnt' stupid enough to buy the car cause its "cute" and "wanted to have a car named marauder" I've had the car just over a week and I've noticed most people can't even read the word "marauder" its damn funny. I bought the thing cause its a mustang with 4 doors.

[SILVERMARAUDER]

Yes but the Marauder is something special. And 99% of the people on this board arnt' stupid enough to buy the car cause its "cute" and "wanted to have a car named marauder" I've had the car just over a week and I've noticed most people can't even read the word "marauder" its damn funny. I bought the thing cause its a mustang with 4 doors.
I like to call it the family mans cobra :coolman: and yes they are special i believe just about all of the folks here know that that is why we have this board but you have to admit mercury tried to market this car on the heritage of the marauder you may know this if you have followed the from the start as i have. Thus marketing wise same thing chrysler is doing with hemi and now the charger and they have been using the RT on just about everything even the neon :o. And you are correct most people on street have no idea what they are or will do!

[David Morton]

... I bought the thing cause its a mustang with 4 doors.Correction: Mach I Mustang with 4 doors!

I'm watching Todd with his turbo installation. Awesome! This is what we've been needing here, a forced induction system more suited to the engine. I'm planning to do a dual turbo setup next year. Two smaller ones for faster spool-up and better low-end torque.

[bmartin9122]

Yes but the Marauder is something special. And 99% of the people on this board arnt' stupid enough to buy the car cause its "cute" and "wanted to have a car named marauder" I've had the car just over a week and I've noticed most people can't even read the word "marauder" its damn funny. I bought the thing cause its a mustang with 4 doors.

I bought mine because it is a 4000lb+ hearse that will do sub-13sec 1/4's right off the showroom floor - not because it has a HEMI logo on the fender. In fact, I have been toying with the idea of debadging. The funny thing about the HEMI monicker is the Chrysler V6's have the same head design as the new V8's, but DC chooses not to market them the same way - for obvious reasons.

I'm kinda surprised you guys don't give more props to your real apples-to-apples competitor: the late-90's Lincoln Mark VIII. My brother has put headers, exhaust, chip, etc, and he can hang with me at highway speeds. That 32v Cobra motor sounds pretty sweet, too!

[Rider90]

Correction: Mach I Mustang with 4 doors!
Correction: Mach 1 Mustang with 4 doors

http://www.mach1registry.com/index1.htm

:P

[Vortech347]

I bought mine because it is a 4000lb+ hearse that will do sub-13sec 1/4's right off the showroom floor - not because it has a HEMI logo on the fender. In fact, I have been toying with the idea of debadging. The funny thing about the HEMI monicker is the Chrysler V6's have the same head design as the new V8's, but DC chooses not to market them the same way - for obvious reasons.

I'm kinda surprised you guys don't give more props to your real apples-to-apples competitor: the late-90's Lincoln Mark VIII. My brother has put headers, exhaust, chip, etc, and he can hang with me at highway speeds. That 32v Cobra motor sounds pretty sweet, too!
Yea but you KNEW what you were buying. You didn't buy it for the name badge. Thats all I'm saying. Most people just point and look at logo's. I'm sure that SRT8 is a blast to drive. :)

[Rider90]

Yea but you KNEW what you were buying. You didn't buy it for the name badge. Thats all I'm saying. Most people just point and look at logo's. I'm sure that SRT8 is a blast to drive. :)
I bought mine for the bumper cover :dunno:

[SILVERMARAUDER]

Correction: Mach 1 Mustang with 4 doors

http://www.mach1registry.com/index1.htm

:P Yea Yea but i prefer the Familey mans Cobra that is what it was ref to on speed channel when they were first put into circulation and thought that was cool :P :)

[MENINBLK]

I'm kinda surprised you guys don't give more props to your real apples-to-apples competitor: the late-90's Lincoln Mark VIII. My brother has put headers, exhaust, chip, etc, and he can hang with me at highway speeds. That 32v Cobra motor sounds pretty sweet, too!

That's NOT a COBRA Motor either...
It's a Lincoln 32 Valve Modular V8.
Get it right...

The COBRA ENGINE is the SVT Version of the Lincoln engine.

You want proof, talk to BigDogJim.
He knows the entire history of the engine.

[bmartin9122]

That's NOT a COBRA Motor either...
It's a Lincoln 32 Valve Modular V8.
Get it right...

The COBRA ENGINE is the SVT Version of the Lincoln engine.

You want proof, talk to BigDogJim.
He knows the entire history of the engine.

Whoa - easy there big fella. I was only parroting what I had been told. I guess what you are saying is the Marauder has the identical motor as the SVT Cobra, but the Lincoln Mark VIII's is a similar block and that is about it?

Like I said before, I mostly lurk here, since I know very little about Ford's performance stuff. I'm mainly just trying to educate myself here. :beatnik:

[SILVERMARAUDER]

Whoa - easy there big fella. I was only parroting what I had been told. I guess what you are saying is the Marauder has the identical motor as the SVT Cobra, but the Lincoln Mark VIII's is a similar block and that is about it?

Like I said before, I mostly lurk here, since I know very little about Ford's performance stuff. I'm mainly just trying to educate myself here. :beatnik:
No the Marauders have same eng as Mach 1 :cool4: Even though it is the familey mans Cobra :rasta::P

[Blackened300a]

I saw the concept in a motor trend issue back in 02 and really wanted this car. In 03 when they first showed up on showroom floors, I went to the dealer and tried to pick up a new one and the dealer told me that the sticker price is how much I shall pay so I can save my breath trying to haggle. I walked out and bought a Chevy Avalanche Z-71 brand new. (Apples and Oranges I know) After dumping hundreds of dollars every month in gas, I stumbled upon the Famous BillyG Burnout video, Well that was all it took for me to locate a Marauder with low miles and that was FMC certified. That very afternoon I was heading out to NJ to make a deal.
This was almost a year ago.
I like this car for its looks, the all black theme, and of course 302 HP!