View Full Version : Bad News For My Marauder
Well, as many of you know, I traded in my 04 Marauder (4920 miles) for a new 2006 Corvette Z06. As my wife and I were leaving the dealership we saw the used car mgr and the salesman get in the Marauder. They couldn't wait to take it out for a spin. Well being a couple of jerks, they stopped at the dealers gas pump and proceeded to fill the tank with low octane regular gas. They proceeded up I95 flooring at, and at about the 2nd to 3rd gear shift it threw a rod through the side of the block:( At any rate, the car was sold as is at the Ft. Laud car auction this week for $14,000. The dealer, Phil Smith Chevrolet, took about a $15,000. hit on this deal.:down:
Rick-n-Miami
12-14-2005, 08:10 PM
OMG!!!!! What fools! I had a buddy of mine call them up last week to get it, but they said it was gone. I guess it really was GONE! Such a shame.
MENINBLK
12-14-2005, 08:19 PM
Well, as many of you know, I traded in my 04 Marauder (4920 miles) for a new 2006 Corvette Z06. As my wife and I were leaving the dealership we saw the used car mgr and the salesman get in the Marauder. They couldn't wait to take it out for a spin. Well being a couple of jerks, they stopped at the dealers gas pump and proceeded to fill the tank with low octane regular gas. They proceeded up I95 flooring at, and at about the 2nd to 3rd gear shift it threw a rod through the side of the block:( At any rate, the car was sold as is at the Ft. Laud car auction this week for $14,000. The dealer, Phil Smith Chevrolet, took about a $15,000. hit on this deal.:down:
Just like a CHEVY DEALER to mess up a good FORD.
Are you going to let these same guys drive your Z06,
Or have they already had their fun ?
Joe Walsh
12-14-2005, 08:24 PM
Just like a CHEVY DEALER to mess up a good FORD.
Are you going to let these same guys drive your Z06,
Or have they already had their fun ?
My thoughts exactly....
"Hey we took your brand spankin' new Z06, with only 4 miles on the odometer and REALLY ran 'er good! She runs like a ***** ape!"
FRIGGIN' IDIOTS!
Car Salesman are the ONLY salesman who know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the product that they sell...
My Z06 came off the truck while I was standing there ! Not a chance in hell:)
RCSignals
12-14-2005, 09:07 PM
I guess you'll be having the Corvette serviced elsewhere
Donny Carlson
12-14-2005, 10:41 PM
At any rate, the car was sold as is at the Ft. Laud car auction this week for $14,000. The dealer, Phil Smith Chevrolet, took about a $15,000. hit on this deal.:down:
You got $29K ACV for trade against a Z06? That's pretty amazing.
Edit: ahhh, now I savvy. Your trade had a Trilogy supercharger, and some other goodies. Still, considering Lidio is asking less for his, and his has a lot of extra goodies, you did well.
Donny Carlson
12-14-2005, 10:50 PM
I guess you'll be having the Corvette serviced elsewhere
You would not believe the dumb-assedness you will find at your friendly neighborhood Mr. Goodwrench's place. It's a problem for Vette owners and likewise for SSR owners (worse, because the Vette doesn't have as complicated a convertible top.)
Rider90
12-15-2005, 06:09 AM
Aren't the dual knock sensors supposed to prevent such disaster?
Mike Poore
12-15-2005, 06:23 AM
Aren't the dual knock sensors supposed to prevent such disaster?
Even with DUAL knock sensors, you can't keep TWO stupid *********s out of a car. :nono:
Bradley G
12-15-2005, 06:40 AM
Car Salesman are the ONLY salesman who know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the product that they sell...{quote}
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RoyLPita
12-15-2005, 06:40 AM
That's a damn shame. Ususally people wiat years to find out what happened to their previous rides. This took less than 2 weeks. I bet $$$ that those 2 Idiots got canned big time.
Aren't the dual knock sensors supposed to prevent such disaster?
If his car in fact had a Trilogy like some members suggested, the kit eliminates the knock sensors if I remember correctly.
A well set up knock sensor (in the tuning) can be programmed to pull tons of timing if knock is detected. As much as 15 degrees if necessary.
Ill let others chime in here about the Trilogy set up, but I set up my car with foolproof values so something like this would never happen.
Bluerauder
12-15-2005, 06:52 AM
Well, as many of you know, I traded in my 04 Marauder (4920 miles) .... and at about the 2nd to 3rd gear shift it threw a rod through the side of the block:(
Very sad !!! :bigcry: This story brings tears to my eyes. :(
Bradley G
12-15-2005, 06:58 AM
The sensors are relocated not eliminated.
If his car in fact had a Trilogy like some members suggested, the kit eliminates the knock sensors if I remember correctly.
A well set up knock sensor (in the tuning) can be programmed to pull tons of timing if knock is detected. As much as 15 degrees if necessary.
Ill let others chime in here about the Trilogy set up, but I set up my car with foolproof values so something like this would never happen.
Wires
12-15-2005, 07:06 AM
I once considered a used BMW 328 (10 years ago, on my road to deciding I wanted a Marauder) at a Nissan dealer.
I made several trips to this dealer to look at the car, drive it, and negotiate a price. By my last vist, I had talked to every salesman there - and EACH ONE OF THEM told me "I took that car to _____ and man, it's fast." (blank varied - the beach (we were 300 miles from the coast), the mountains, etc.)
When I decided against it, I told the manager that I wasn't going to buy the car that every salesman there had "rode hard and put away wet" or whatever cruder analogy you want to put in there.
These idiots wonder why they have such a bad reputation. I hope that they weren't fired untill they got done paying that 15 grand.
Sickening.
The sensors are re-located to the rear of the heads, which obviously is not a great location, but the real problem is the idiot who put regular gas in it. Even the gas lid says hi-test only when you open it.I would also like to mention this car had been re-tuned locally, IT WAS NOT LIDIO'S TUNE!!!!
shakes_26
12-15-2005, 08:53 AM
You can't save an idiot from himself, you'll only get hurt in the process.
That said This car was also not running the Trilogy stock tune, as Joe mentioned.
If his car in fact had a Trilogy like some members suggested, the kit eliminates the knock sensors if I remember correctly.
A well set up knock sensor (in the tuning) can be programmed to pull tons of timing if knock is detected. As much as 15 degrees if necessary.
Ill let others chime in here about the Trilogy set up, but I set up my car with foolproof values so something like this would never happen.
dwasson
12-15-2005, 09:18 AM
Car Salesman are the ONLY salesman who know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the product that they sell...
You've never been to the computer department at Best Buy.
Vortech347
12-15-2005, 01:55 PM
Thats actualy wonderfull news. I'd be just laughing my ass off if right after I turned in my car someone romped on it and it blew up. I'd be thankin my rabits foot it wasn't me driving when it happened!
BlackHole
12-15-2005, 08:51 PM
Wow and here I thought that Premium Fuel only sign next to the fuel guage was just for show morons. And I'm trying my best to become an Auto Tech and these idiots are not making it any easier.
Leadfoot281
12-15-2005, 10:14 PM
I always thought that the main reason rods let go, is due to RPM and not load. Detonantion (for whatever reason) puts less strain on the bottom end/and or rods that would excessive RPM.
Detonation would waste the pistons first. Am I wrong? Probably doesn't matter at this point though, just curious.
teamrope
12-15-2005, 10:29 PM
I read a post in the last couple of days that a lot of times the rods get bent/broken when the piston breaks giving the false impression that it was the rod that let go.
texascorvette
12-16-2005, 06:30 AM
Just like a CHEVY DEALER to mess up a good FORD.
Are you going to let these same guys drive your Z06,
Or have they already had their fun ?Unless GM has has a policy change, all Corvettes engines are run at the factory long enough to break them in. That's why you can take a Corvette off the transport and actually drive it.
Detonation is when the air/fuel mix ignites before the piston reaches the top of the bore on the upstroke. Piston is moving up at 6000rpms and a violent explosion occurs forcing the piston to stop in a split second.
Rod breaks, bye bye.
TripleTransAm
12-16-2005, 06:46 AM
If the rod really going to give before the piston? Seems to me the piston wouldn't be thick enough to survive that hard a punch that would be enough to break a rod. Especially today's lightweight pistons.
Smokie
12-16-2005, 07:22 AM
With detonation occurs the piston is the FIRST victim, usually the skirt is destroyed, at this point the engine is still revving and it continues to destroy the rest of the piston. If enough of the piston is destroyed it jamms against the cylinder wall and either the rod gives at this point or the block gives....or they both break.
SergntMac
12-16-2005, 08:22 AM
If the rod really going to give before the piston? Seems to me the piston wouldn't be thick enough to survive that hard a punch that would be enough to break a rod. Especially today's lightweight pistons. There are several ways an engine can go south, and once it does, the pathology can be misleading. When everything is torn up, it's hard to say what gave up first.
IMHO, rods give up more than pistons. Detonation can eat away at the surface of the piston, yes. Maybe slice off chunk, or, two that passes out the valves. This detonation also compresses the rod, a rod that also stretches in WOT blasts. That's why I say it's not good to jump out of the throttle at at high RPM, the rod is now dragging the piston, and against the pressure of oil washing up on the assembly. Look at this pic, see how the rod deforms at the break? That's like stretching taffey until it snaps.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/showimage.php?i=446&c=3&userid=392
Again, not the only cause for engine failure, but I'm willing to bet that throwing a con rod is more common than chunking a piston.
A piston is probably the weakest link in the equation, but think of it this way. When detonation occurs, the piston has a much larger surface area to absorb the pressure of the fuel igniting. Its like the piston turns into the brick wall and the rod is a vehicle in a goverment crash test. Get it?
Dragcity
12-16-2005, 10:46 AM
OUCH ! No matter how you slice it
Smokie
12-16-2005, 10:49 AM
A piston is probably the weakest link in the equation, but think of it this way. When detonation occurs, the piston has a much larger surface area to absorb the pressure of the fuel igniting. Its like the piston turns into the brick wall and the rod is a vehicle in a goverment crash test. Get it?
Yeap, doesn't really matter much what failed first, the results are bad no matter what broke first.
LVMarauder
12-16-2005, 11:06 AM
Car Salesman are the ONLY salesman who know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the product that they sell...{quote}
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No, I support this statement. I dropped mine off for service yesterday. I saw an 04 out front and I heard some salesmen talking about it. One new what was up but the other asked me, and I quote " whats so special about it?" , before that they were debating if it was a hot rod GM or something different. People will say anything for your money, even if they know ****. ****ing idiots
ctrlraven
12-16-2005, 08:22 PM
Car Salesman are the ONLY salesman who know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the product that they sell...{quote}
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thats not totally true, i used to sell fords and i knew my products very well to the point i would call myself a nerd cause i knew too much info. :cool4:
jimlam56
12-17-2005, 04:13 AM
I too used to sell cars. (Carmax)
It's just like any other industry, there are some sales people that want to know all they can about the product they are selling, then the majority are just looking for the paycheck.
I was in the first category, and not surpisingly made more money than the lizards that tried to schmooze their way into a sale.
Couldn't deal with those retail hours though...
Mike Poore
12-17-2005, 07:19 AM
Well, as many of you know, I traded in my 04 Marauder (4920 miles) for a new 2006 Corvette Z06. As my wife and I were leaving the dealership we saw the used car mgr and the salesman get in the Marauder. They couldn't wait to take it out for a spin. Well being a couple of jerks, they stopped at the dealers gas pump and proceeded to fill the tank with low octane regular gas. They proceeded up I95 flooring at, and at about the 2nd to 3rd gear shift it threw a rod through the side of the block:( At any rate, the car was sold as is at the Ft. Laud car auction this week for $14,000. The dealer, Phil Smith Chevrolet, took about a $15,000. hit on this deal.:down:
All that stuff aside, please tell us about the Z06. I think 15 or 20 paragraphs would do it, ....with pictures, of course.:D
For the time being, at least, I'd say the Z06 is the number one car on many folk's gotta have list. :up:
94_302
02-25-2006, 08:58 AM
Is this your old Marauder (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MARAUDER-MUSCLECAR-SUPERCHARCED-NAVIGATION-DVD-XMRADIO_W0QQitemZ4616262786QQc ategoryZ6340QQssPageNameZWDVWQ QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)? The mileage is about right and it's in South Florida.
Rick-n-Miami
02-25-2006, 09:05 AM
Yeap, that's it. Notice the ad makes no mention of the rebuild?
Is this your old Marauder (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MARAUDER-MUSCLECAR-SUPERCHARCED-NAVIGATION-DVD-XMRADIO_W0QQitemZ4616262786QQc ategoryZ6340QQssPageNameZWDVWQ QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)? The mileage is about right and it's in South Florida.
94_302
02-25-2006, 10:34 AM
Yeah no mention of the rebuild but it does say.
I ACQUIRED THIS MUSCLE CAR FROM THE FIRST AND ONLY OWNER AS A TRADE-IN FOR AN OLD CLASSIC I HAD IN STOCK. THIS AUTOMOBILE IS SO RARE, THAT CHANCES ARE YOU WON'T FIND ANY ON EBAY, SPECIALLY WITH THIS CONDITIONS AND EXTRAS.
Yup an 06 Z06 really is an old car. It's so rare you wont find any on ebay, yet there are 9 :lol: It's true none have the modifications of this one but it's still a funny comment. They also say it's a custom Trilogy, saying that makes it sound like this is the only Trilogy kit ever made for the Marauder.
Yes, this was my car :cry:
Mad4Macs
02-25-2006, 05:39 PM
Yes, this was my car :cry:
I know that feeling. Mine was out front at the dealership, and I couldn't bear looking at it whenever I drove by. That was MY baby for 3 years!
Good thing the 'Stang scoots when you put the hammer down :burnout:
StevenJ
02-25-2006, 05:51 PM
I have determined when it comes time to getting rid of my car it's going the way of private auction through auto trader. This way I have less of a chance of selling it to a moron who will total it and I can pick and choose who gets it.
SHERIFF
02-25-2006, 09:21 PM
Excuse me for asking again, but are we sure this is the car? The VIN # matches?
Marauder386
02-25-2006, 09:27 PM
Somebody better call him out on this or I will...let Ebay know or something...this isnt right...
:coolman:
Shora
02-25-2006, 10:09 PM
Yeap, that's it. Notice the ad makes no mention of the rebuild?
The dealer makes himself seem so very honest while he lies straight out. He mentions that he will pay for the travel expenses if the car is not as he described. Maybe someone should call him out on that and stay at a South Beach Penthouse for a while.
Can't trust anyone anymore.
Like I said in my previous post, this definitely was my car. If anyone is interested in buying it, e-mail me at jblair318@adelphia.net, and I'll tell you the real story on how this liar got the car:mad: :mad: :mad:
MENINBLK
02-26-2006, 01:33 AM
Unless GM has has a policy change, all Corvettes engines are run at the factory long enough to break them in. That's why you can take a Corvette off the transport and actually drive it.
WHAT ?!?!? You aren't supposed to DRIVE your new car home ? j/k
Every car I have owned, I drove home the same way.
Like it was going to be driven every day.
If there is anything wrong with a vehicle,
it's better to have it come out early, then have it come out
after the warranty expires and you have to pay to fix it.
The Service Manager at the Buick dealership I worked at
believe the same thing.
When customers asked, he just told them, "Drive your new car just like you would drive
any other car. Just make sure you don't overlook the *necessary* maintenance."
King Fubar
02-26-2006, 09:55 AM
He relisted it...with no reserve and re-wrote his ad..
I like the "malicious spammers part"
I ADQUIRED THIS AUTOMOBILE TWO MONTHS AGO AS A DEALER TRADE FOR ANOTHER CAR OF SPECIAL INTEREST AND IT HAS BEEN WAREHOUSED EVER SINCE. I TOOK THIS AUTOMOBILE TO A HIGH PERFORMANCE SPECIALIST AND ALL THE PARAMETERS AND POWER OUTPUT ARE SATISFACTORY. I HAVE PERSONALLY INVESTED A GREAT DEAL OF TIME AND EFFORT IN ORDER TO PICTURE THIS CAR EXACTLY AS IT IS. YOU ARE FREE TO ASK ANYTHING BUT I HAVE LISTED HERE ALL I KNOW ABOUT THIS CAR. YOU CAN BID WITH CONFIDENCE. FOR YOUR PEACE OF MIND, IF YOU DON'T FIND EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE DESCRIBED HERE, I WILL REFUND ALL DEPOSITS PLUS ANY TRANSPORTATION EXPENCES YOU MAY HAVE HAD. THIS AUTOMOBILE WILL BE OFFER FOR AUCTION WITH NO RESERVE, MEANING THE HIGHER BIDDER TAKES IT HOME. THIS AUCTION HAD TO BE CANCEL AND RELISTED AS A PRIVATE AUCTION IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE BIDDERS FROM MALICIOUS SPAMMERS.
94_302
02-26-2006, 10:51 AM
He also changed the dollar amount of the upgrades that the car has. From 20k to 15k, I don't know how much is in it but I am sure it is a lot because it has so many cool features.
I GUESS IT'S A PRIVATE BIDDER AUCTION SO THE BIDDERS NAMES ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR SOMEONE (LIKE ME) TO TELL THEM THE REAL STORY:baaa:
ADE 1000
02-26-2006, 10:00 PM
Like I said in my previous post, this definitely was my car. If anyone is interested in buying it, e-mail me at jblair318@adelphia.net, and I'll tell you the real story on how this liar got the car:mad: :mad: :mad:
E-mail sent.
Despite the motor replacement, I am very tempted to bid on it given the mods and low mileage.
Rider90
02-26-2006, 10:05 PM
E-mail sent.
Despite the motor replacement, I am very tempted to bid on it given the mods and low mileage.
Even LOWER mileage on that new engine :P
TooManyFords
02-27-2006, 06:52 AM
JFB, please don't take this post the wrong way...
I've been thinking about the whole situation and I'm having a hard time understanding why you are being so vindictive about a car you don't own anymore. From what I've read, you got a great deal in trade for Corvette and you were happy with that. We all know dealerships can make up just about any story they want; "It was owned by a little old lady that drove it to church on Sundays" is my favorite.
Ok, so two idiots blew the motor up. Worst case is that the dealership popped for a new motor and put it all back together again. It is essentially *better* than when you traded it in, so why the hostility?
Unless you've found something wrong with the Corvette, I'd say you came out a winner and whomever buys your car will too. To me that is a win-win. If you *did* have a problem with your vetter, you need to vent over in the vette forums, not here.
I don't know you from Adam, so don't take this personally. I think you just need to let it go.
Cheers!
John
Only an idiot would want to be lied to about a car that has been seriously abused, and not take advantage of the truth. Just trying to spare a fellow member of our forum a lot of grief and aggravation. By the way, the Chevy dealer had nothing to do with the repairs. :puke:
shakes_26
02-27-2006, 08:20 AM
Because Joe is a decent guy and wants to make sure that whoever gets the car knows the truth.
I'd buy this car, rebuilt motor and all, knowing about what happened to it. Not knowing and finding out later I'd be pissed, and wonder what elese I wasn't told about...you'd probably never feel right about the car.
JFB, please don't take this post the wrong way...
I've been thinking about the whole situation and I'm having a hard time understanding why you are being so vindictive about a car you don't own anymore. From what I've read, you got a great deal in trade for Corvette and you were happy with that. We all know dealerships can make up just about any story they want; "It was owned by a little old lady that drove it to church on Sundays" is my favorite.
Ok, so two idiots blew the motor up. Worst case is that the dealership popped for a new motor and put it all back together again. It is essentially *better* than when you traded it in, so why the hostility?
Unless you've found something wrong with the Corvette, I'd say you came out a winner and whomever buys your car will too. To me that is a win-win. If you *did* have a problem with your vetter, you need to vent over in the vette forums, not here.
I don't know you from Adam, so don't take this personally. I think you just need to let it go.
Cheers!
John
texascorvette
02-27-2006, 08:24 AM
In the used car business, puffery is a word to describe the harmless hyperbole that dealers sometimes put in their ads--things like "cleanest _____ in Dade County". People kind of expect that sort of BS and let it go in one ear and out the other. When a dealer knowingly and blatantly lies about a vehicle, he ought to be prosecuted for false advertising and thrown in jail with some real big mean bubbas who don't care what their girlfriends look like--or maybe fed to the alligators.
hitchhiker
02-27-2006, 07:49 PM
Excuse me for asking again, but are we sure this is the car? The VIN # matches?
Look who thinks it might be an impersonator!
:lol:
SHERIFF
02-27-2006, 08:44 PM
Look who thinks it might be an impersonator!
:lol:
The VIN # should be a clue it's not a Marauder clone. :rolleyes:
O's Fan Rich
02-28-2006, 01:08 PM
I would want to know that the engine was replaced and by who and what kind of replacement it is/was. Before I bought would be really nice, too.That's about it.
Sheriff, I have always been under the impression that there is no distinction in the VIN of the MM verses a Grand Marquis.
Jerry Barnes
03-02-2006, 08:03 AM
O.K. Folks,
Just got off the phone with Carlos, new owner of Joe Blair's car(Trilogy S/C #46), and Claude. I have instructed Carlos to make some changes before he drives the car. I also referred him to Claude to work with us on the calibration. Bottom line, we are sending him a new Installation manual, a new calibration and some technical support to make the car healthy again. Carlos says he may not sell the car he likes it so much. Apparently one of his employees gave some mis-information and he is no longer an employee. But, we want to make sure the car is running well again. Also, the car was not running a Trilogy Motorsports calibration when the engine failed. So, I want to put the stock tune back in the car and correct some other changes.
Just thought the Marauder Family would like to know we are helping Carlos get the car back on its feet. Yes, the engine was toasted.
Sincerely,
Jerry
TooManyFords
03-02-2006, 08:08 AM
Excellent work Jerry! Kudos
John
RoyLPita
03-04-2006, 05:47 PM
O.K. Folks,
Just got off the phone with Carlos, new owner of Joe Blair's car(Trilogy S/C #46), and Claude. I have instructed Carlos to make some changes before he drives the car. I also referred him to Claude to work with us on the calibration. Bottom line, we are sending him a new Installation manual, a new calibration and some technical support to make the car healthy again. Carlos says he may not sell the car he likes it so much. Apparently one of his employees gave some mis-information and he is no longer an employee. But, we want to make sure the car is running well again. Also, the car was not running a Trilogy Motorsports calibration when the engine failed. So, I want to put the stock tune back in the car and correct some other changes.
Just thought the Marauder Family would like to know we are helping Carlos get the car back on its feet. Yes, the engine was toasted.
Sincerely,
Jerry
http://carad.ebayimg.com/i24/03/a/06/59/82/2e_4.JPG
I believe that this may require an upgraded tune due to the smaller pulley and K&N setup. Another thing, shouldn't the fuel tank be drained because of the lower grade fuel?
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