New Forged Stroker Motor About to Begin

[MarauderTJA]

Have a complete 04 Marauder motor on it's way to me from Michigan. Should be at my mechanics shop by the time I get home from Wiesbaden, Germany on Jan 14th. I am excited to get started. Getting ready for the big forged build like some of you other guys here. Once built, my son-in-law is getting the motor in my car now to build up for his 94 Supercharged MK VIII.

Going with the high dollar CP pistons, rings along special rods, crank, bearings etc. I have appreciated some of the research and work you other Procharger guys have done and will be probably be PM'ng you as the build progresses.

Everyone have a safe and Happy New Year.:D

TOM, Cape Coral, Florida

[Joe Walsh]

Going with a Big Bore or a Stroker for more cubes??

You will definitely feel much more comfortable when hammering the forged engine, especially if you allow it to wind up a little higher...
6400 rpm sounds AWESOME through a Kook's system....:D

[DEFYANT]

6400 rpm sounds AWESOME through a Kook's system....:D

Doesn't it? The only thing better is the next gear so you can do it again.

Interesting thread.....subscribing.

[Joe Walsh]

Going with a Big Bore or a Stroker for more cubes??

You will definitely feel much more comfortable when hammering the forged engine, especially if you allow it to wind up a little higher...
6400 rpm sounds AWESOME through a Kook's system....:D


DOH!!!:o
It would help if I read your thread title a little more carefully.....forged STROKER!

[Joe Walsh]

Doesn't it? The only thing better is the next gear so you can do it again.



Charlie, Two words:.....Baltimore Tunnels....heh heh heh...:D

[MarauderTJA]

DOH!!!:o
It would help if I read your thread title a little more carefully.....forged STROKER!

No problem. Actually I was looking not only to go stroker but also bored. Too much money for the sleeving process. I have the DR Cobra manifolds, x-pipe set-up with a complete 2.5" exhaust. I was thinking on going with the Kooks or Stainless Works full length headers. Do you guys think it would be worth upgrading? Some people say there would not be that much gain in HP & TQ for the cost. Any comments welcome, without starting a major debate....

TOM, Cape Coral, Florida [presently in Wiesbaden, Germany +6 hour from eastern time]

[snowbird]

No problem. Actually I was looking not only to go stroker but also bored. Too much money for the sleeving process. I have the DR Cobra manifolds, x-pipe set-up with a complete 2.5" exhaust. I was thinking on going with the Kooks or Stainless Works full length headers. Do you guys think it would be worth upgrading? Some people say there would not be that much gain in HP & TQ for the cost. Any comments welcome, without starting a major debate....

TOM, Cape Coral, Florida [presently in Wiesbaden, Germany +6 hour from eastern time]
Congrats and good luck on that coming stroker effort. I'll also follow that tread with interest ...:)
By the way, i have the kooks and i'm very satisfied with them. But i won't put my finger under the hammer to compare them with the alternatives ...

[HwyCruiser]

No problem. Actually I was looking not only to go stroker but also bored. Too much money for the sleeving process. I have the DR Cobra manifolds, x-pipe set-up with a complete 2.5" exhaust. I was thinking on going with the Kooks or Stainless Works full length headers. Do you guys think it would be worth upgrading? Some people say there would not be that much gain in HP & TQ for the cost. Any comments welcome, without starting a major debate....

TOM, Cape Coral, Florida [presently in Wiesbaden, Germany +6 hour from eastern time]

I know if I could have a redo I'd probably go with the headers. My DR setup is so cobbled now that I may do it just to clean everything up.

I'd like to hear opinions on whether a less restrictive exhaust would drop boost on a centrifugal or negatively impact low-end power. It seems that I'm running more boost than snowbird with my DR vs his Kooks with the same pulley size and just different IC locations. I guess I just need to get my relocation done to see if this explains it.

[MarauderTJA]

Thanks guys for your response. I have always had full length headers in my other cars, but none of them were 4 valve heads. A couple of my Cobra buddies that went with full length headres on their cars told me that they did not gain enough power to make the change over worth the money. Plus there was boost reduction. Now I will be most likely upgrading to the D1SC or at least the P1SC-2 (what my mechanic suggests for a street/strip combination) and will be running boost around 16-18 pounds. Still up in the air if it is worth it or not there as well. I would love to hear from guys who have made a change from the DR system to Kooks full length headers to see if there was a substanial difference. My system has been modified to a complete 2.5" system and it has been great. Also it is important to know the difference from the roots to the centrifugal systems with full length headers as well.

[SergntMac]

I would love to hear from guys who have made a change from the DR system to Kooks full length headers to see if there was a substanial difference. My system has been modified to a complete 2.5" system and it has been great. Also it is important to know the difference from the roots to the centrifugal systems with full length headers as well. I've been to this theshold many times. I even unboxed the Kook's kit and put it my trunk, but never made the drive to the build shop because I cannot justify the cost of the change by what I expect to see in performance.

Honestly, I think you're throwing too much at the car in one fell swoop. I've built my engine too, and came back to upgrade my blower (and other accessories) after the fact and one at a time. Install the engine and tune, see what you get. Then add the changes that appeal to you, but monitor your day-to-day driveability. Nothing is more satisfying than 500 RWHP no one can detect until it's time to show them, and this includes at the race track...IMHO.

[MarauderTJA]

I've been to this theshold many times. I even unboxed the Kook's kit and put it my trunk, but never made the drive to the build shop because I cannot justify the cost of the change by what I expect to see in performance.

Honestly, I think you're throwing too much at the car in one fell swoop. I've built my engine too, and came back to upgrade my blower (and other accessories) after the fact and one at a time. Install the engine and tune, see what you get. Then add the changes that appeal to you, but monitor your day-to-day driveability. Nothing is more satisfying than 500 RWHP no one can detect until it's time to show them, and this includes at the race track...IMHO.

I agree with you Mac. I am going to hold off on the Kooks for now. One of the reasons I was contemplating it, the engine will be out of the car and the install would be easier. I am very happy with the exhaust system I have. I am going to upgrade the blower with the newer designed P1SC-2 because it will cost me less for the upgrade if I do it before one year.All the other components that on my motor now (60 lbs injectors, etc).

But I want to maintain my driveability so the until the new motor is broken in I will use the tune I have, which I love. Then later put a decent "forged motor tune" in the car for some serious horsepower.

Hopefully, if everything goes right I hope to have it in the car by the firstof March.

TOM, Cape Coral

[presently in Wiesbaden, Germany]

[MarauderTJA]

My mechanic advised me today that my 04 Marauder motor has arrived at the shop. Tear down will commence, then the block and heads over to the machine shop for boring, cnc porting, deck shaving, clean up, and balancing of the forged assembly next week. Man this is exciting.:D I am on the road presently working and can't wait to get home late next week to lay my hands on the project. Plus, writing the checks, the only down side. :eek: Boy, I am really glad my wife doesn't really know how much this project is going to cost:rolleyes: . And if any of you guys tell her... YOU>:flamer: <ME... Some things need to stay right here...;)

Tom, Cape Coral, Florida

[TooManyFords]

Let me know if you have any questions. My heads arrived at MMR last Friday and they're finishing the long-block assembly as I type. Mine should be at my door sometime next week!

I've gone as far as ordering a new front cover, valve covers (second set) and a new oil pan to make this motor 100% complete before pulling my old one.

Well, ok, that's not the reason... It's because I'll be experimenting with a complete engine paint job before dropping it in. I won't hijack your thread and will go add to my build-up thread now!

See you in Sebring!

John

[MarauderTJA]

Let me know if you have any questions. My heads arrived at MMR last Friday and they're finishing the long-block assembly as I type. Mine should be at my door sometime next week!

I've gone as far as ordering a new front cover, valve covers (second set) and a new oil pan to make this motor 100% complete before pulling my old one.

Well, ok, that's not the reason... It's because I'll be experimenting with a complete engine paint job before dropping it in. I won't hijack your thread and will go add to my build-up thread now!

See you in Sebring!

John

Hope to make Sebring John if all goes right. Working on a schedule change to see if I can make it. I have all the components (front cover etc) from the 04 Marauder engine I received. Working on some bling for hte motor, but nowhere like you. Will keep you posted on the progress.

Tom, Cape Coral, Florida

[TooManyFords]

Sounds like a plan Tom.

Re: bling.. If this paint thing works out as planned here, I'll be offering this service to everyone and they can pick out colors etc. When I get my motor out, I'll have valve covers, front cover, pan and my old upper/lower intake to be prepped and painted before they get pulled on the target motor. The old parts then just swap as cores to keep costs down and everyone is happy!

That's the plan anyway...

Hopefully we'll all see you in Sebring. If your car isn't done yet, borrow someone else's and meet us there.

Cheers!

john

[MarauderTJA]

Sounds like a plan Tom.

Re: bling.. If this paint thing works out as planned here, I'll be offering this service to everyone and they can pick out colors etc. When I get my motor out, I'll have valve covers, front cover, pan and my old upper/lower intake to be prepped and painted before they get pulled on the target motor. The old parts then just swap as cores to keep costs down and everyone is happy!

That's the plan anyway...

Hopefully we'll all see you in Sebring. If your car isn't done yet, borrow someone else's and meet us there.

Cheers!

john

The plan is the build the new Marauder motor I have (which has started), change my injectors etc over to the new motor and swap out the engine in a weekend. I have the capability of having you paint some of the parts well ahead of time prior to the engine swap out. I will PM you later to discuss some ideas, or better yet, get you my cell phone number so we can talk about some of the projected costs and color combinations to match my motor. I already have a set of valve covers polished to match my blower and intake which was done previously. Looking for a different look.

Also, if all works out with my schedule, I may bring my Mustang to Sebring as it is set up for road racing as well as drag racing. Talk to you later.

TOM, Cape Coral, Florida

[03whitemach]

Hey Tom,
Must be nice to be able to do all that stuff. Have you been back to the track with your daughter and the Mach? Next time you go, let me know.

[MarauderTJA]

Hey Tom,
Must be nice to be able to do all that stuff. Have you been back to the track with your daughter and the Mach? Next time you go, let me know.

Thanks. Yeah the project is much more expensive than I thought it would be. Go figure...but it will be worth it in the end. Heading to Bradenton on Feb 4th for test n tune. More than likely my daughter will be going. Hope to see ya there....

[HwyCruiser]

You guys are killing me! I'm thinking (as I stare at the MMR website) that the cost of Kooks headers would go a long way to a nice built short block.

Tom, are you going to keep the air-to-air setup on the monster? An ice-bath system would be pretty sweet!

[MarauderTJA]

You guys are killing me! I'm thinking (as I stare at the MMR website) that the cost of Kooks headers would go a long way to a nice built short block.

Tom, are you going to keep the air-to-air setup on the monster? An ice-bath system would be pretty sweet!

Absolutely! Although the plan is to upgrade to a 3 core along with the D1SC, larger fuel rails, boost-a-pump and the list goes on. The Kooks, they are now available in stainless, but at $855.00 it is rather steep. I would really like to put them on the new engine as it would be a much easier install with the motor out during the swap. I am also contemplating adding a methanol injection system to keep the air charge cool. But, man is this entire project getting expensive. I like the good stuff, a personal problem I have. I really hate doing things piece meal, so unless a crisis occurs, I will probably have to suck it up. If not, I may have to update the blower & intercooler down the road...But with the forged motor I can still go with the meth-injection and Scott Beer has told me that is going to dial me up a seriously aggressive, high horsepower tune after about a 1000 mile break-in period on the new motor. Overall I must admit, this is a blast. You only live once. Older boys still with their toys thingy...