#%&*&%$#....oil Filter!!!!!

[Marauderjack]

Well......

I never thought the oil filter could be harder to change but it never dawned on me that the blower tubing would cover up the best place to squeeze it out!!!:argue: :argue:

I had to pull it through the power steering lines and boy was it tight!!:mad2:

Too bad it won't come past the water elbow and the exhaust manifold....but it won't!!:censor:

I will now consider a remote filter kit but I think I remember someone having oil pressure issues with a remote kit??:confused:

Can anyone shed some light on the remotes and which one to get??:help:

Thanks!!

Marauderjack:burnout:

[GreekGod]

Good question- remote seems the way to go on any Modular engine.

[RoyLPita]

I've had no trouble with removing my oil filter filter from my MM. I use a regular old fashioned oil filter strap tool when taking mine off. I even have the 2005 CV oil filter drain in place when I do this. Sure you have to move the p/s lines out of the way, but it is a piece of cake. I should know, I've done mine 3 times in 4 1/2 months.

If you have the Addco front stabilizer bar, then it might be a little tougher to clear when it is off of the engine (This was with another member's MM that we originally tested the oil filter drain on).

[FordNut]

I have a remote oil filter and have had no problems with it.

[BUCKWHEAT]

I've got the remote and also....no problems!

[Marauderjack]

Brian,

What remote did you get and where did you locate the filter??:confused: I would like to have the filter mounted verticalLY so I can fill it with oil before installing....I HATE THE CLATTER THE ENGINE MAKES WITH AN EMPTY FILTER....ONLY A SECOND OR SO BUT SOUNDS BAD!!:(

Roy...

I do have the front anti-sway bar and it makes it pretty tough....I'd take a photo to show you what I'm dealing with but it's raining like crazy!!!:mad:

Buckwheat....

What remote do you have and do the remote kits use the stock 820S filter??

I have wanted to remote the filter all along and now it is almost mandatory!!:argue:

Marauderjack:burnout:

[FordNut]

I mounted mine on the frame rail near the sway bar. It is mounted at about a 30-45 degree angle. It uses the larger FL1A filter. It was a Ford SVO kit, don't recall the part number.

[Mike Poore]

Remote is the way to go, and when installed properly, give no problems whatsoever. I recall we bought our kits from Amsoil, and they work, and install without a hitch. They sell, and some guys use, double filter systems, but for our application, the single one works just fine. One benefit is you get to use the FL-1 style filter instead of the shorty knuckle buster we have. Do a little checking, pick out a quality system, and go for it.

I like it when professionals who have lifts and special (read proper) tools, tell us how easy it is ......not! :P

[Marauderjack]

Ahem......FL-1A huh???

Awhile back I bought 15 820S's when Wal-Mart was going to discontinue Ford filters entirely.....They actually never stopped but I got 12 left....anyone need a few 820S's??:confused:

I use FL-1A's on the Cobra and I like the larger filters too!!:beer:

Any of you see any change in oil pressure with the FL-1A filter.....Just wondering if the "Bypass" pressure might be different??:confused:

Northern Auto Parts has one for our engine for $39.99 that has 30" hoses with crimped brass fittings. Summit has one but it has hose barbs and clamps.

Would the crimped ones be better and is 30" of hose enough/too much??:cool:

Thanks!!

Marauderjack:burnout:

[Mike Poore]

Would the crimped ones be better and is 30" of hose enough/too much??:cool:

Thanks!!

Marauderjack:burnout:

In this case I'd defer to Wes, Dennis or other professional guys in the know about which is best. Frankly, the price difference between the best and cheapest is trivial, and selecting the best one seems most important. Having a pressurized oil line blow, is not on the list of things I want to see happen. (I'd think crimped is best, though):)

[Marauderjack]

I read somewhere that someone experienced oil pressure or oiling problems with a remote setup....May have been on the Cobra site??:confused:

I think the crimped hoses are better and will probably go that way!!:beer:

Marauderjack:D

[Hack Goby]

I go to the local Ford dealer for the quick lube at $29.95 for synth. and that works for me.But only because I can stand there and watch him do it.The young man who does the oil changes is a Mustang owner and they don`t see many Marauders there so he goes out of his way to do a good job on it plus I can get under the car while its raised to check things out while he`s working.

[Mike Poore]

I read somewhere that someone experienced oil pressure or oiling problems with a remote setup....May have been on the Cobra site??:confused:

I think the crimped hoses are better and will probably go that way!!:beer:

Marauderjack:D

Some of 'em have a bleed back valve, but I've had 'em on the '97 Cobra, '95 Bronco, '02 Explorer, '02 F-150, and soon on the '04 MM. Let us know which one you think is best. I wish Wes and Dennis would jump in with recomendations. Who knows, they may alredy sell 'em.:)

[GreekGod]

428 Cobra Jets used 3/4" lines on their oil coolers-seems like a high quality filter kit would/should have like hoses. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 align=center VALIGN="center"><TBODY><TR><TD class=std-text-large id=tdCaption style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px">The so called "Racing parts" catalog kit states "Not recommended for performance engines". Go figure! Barbed fittings are junk.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=center align=middle width=10>http://www.fordracingparts.com/images/part/full/M6881A54.jpg</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Marauderjack]

I went to the SVT site and saw that.."Not Recommended For Performance Engines". What's that all about???

Is it because of a reduction in pressure or flow maybe??

Help!!

Marauderjack

[jakdad]

We used Trans-Dapt dual remotes on our racecar with no problems. Street cars probably only need the single filter. I don't care for the barbed fittings. We had the type that was threaded (AN-8) or somthing like that. Been a long time ago................
Good luck

[TooManyFords]

I too am going to go remote when I do the R/R on the engin in a few weeks. Someone pick me out a quality remote kit and post some part numbers!

Thanks!

john

[Marauderjack]

I ordered a TD Performance kit (#1127) from www.northernautoparts.com this AM. It should be here Friday and I'll let you know how it looks.

The Ford Racing kit was just like JC Whitney....barbed fittings and hose clamps while the one I ordered has 30" pre-made neoprene hoses with crimp type fittings!!

Stay Tuned!!

Marauderjack

[jakdad]

The TD is a good quality kit.

[Marauderjack]

I called some clown at Ford Racing and he told me he didn't know why they did not recommend the remote filter setup on performance engines but that he suspected the lines would probably need to about 5/8" to be safe??

He also said I should call Paul's High Performance or Lidio and see what they say since they have done more with remotes than Ford Racing has??!!:confused:

I spoke with Carl at PHP and he said he didn't see any problem with 1/2" fittings and lines for our Marauders!!:beer: He also said that the kit I ordered was first class and that he preferred crimped line fittings over barbs with clamps!!:bows:

I should have it on Friday and probably won't install it until the next oil change....or maybe I will this weekend....we'll see??:rolleyes:

Marauderjack:burnout: :D

[GreekGod]

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=middle>http://www.northernautoparts.com/Images/ProductImages/ph_1997.jpg </TD><TD class=SmallBodyBlack vAlign=top align=left><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=SmallBodyBlack>Single Oil Filter Relocation Kits
• Relocates and mounts oil filter to an easier changing location • Kit includes a bypass adapter, remote filter bracket with 1/2” NPT inlet & outlets, 2 fully assembed 30” neoprene hoses & fittings, mounting hardware and step-by-step instructions. • Brackets accept 3/4” - 16 spin-on oil filters • Engine applications available below

Category: Engine Oil Cooler,Oil pumps, Screens, Shafts
Manufacturer: TD Performance Products

This kit looks OK-it's a step up from any kit with barb fittings. It's not really a hi-performance setup but might work. Might need 90 degree elbows to clear other components. I doubt Dennis or Lidio would use or recommend it. The Ford Racing/SVO mount that uses the Diesel truck filter would be much better with 5/8" or 3/4" lines.



</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[jimlam56]

I ordered a TD Performance kit (#1127) from www.northernautoparts.com (http://www.northernautoparts.com) this AM. It should be here Friday and I'll let you know how it looks.

The Ford Racing kit was just like JC Whitney....barbed fittings and hose clamps while the one I ordered has 30" pre-made neoprene hoses with crimp type fittings!!

Stay Tuned!!

Marauderjack
I like this kit; the quality looks good. I like the fittings.
Had a built VW bug in the 70's with a remote oilcooler, fitting gave up at 70 mph, didn't take long for the oil to evacuate the premises...
My question is, how many of y'all have remotes, and where did you mount them?
I'm like Mauraderjack, I'd like to keep the filter vertical, but do not want to sacrifice ground clearance.(Or have it visible)
All comments/suggestions are appreciated.

[jakdad]

1/2" lines are more than adequate for our cars.

[HwyCruiser]

Jack,

Please write up your install with some pics. I'll be right behind you with this mod.

[Marauderjack]

I will take some pix of the install and post them for you guys!!:beer:

I remember about a year or so ago we had an Amzoil dealer that had a kit from them but I didn't even look for one.....Wonder what size lines they use??

Marauderjack:burnout:

[valleyman]

Jack,

Please write up your install with some pics. I'll be right behind you with this mod.

...and I'm right behind you.

[snowbird]

...and I'm right behind you.
OK OK.

I will be ALONGSIDE you two guys as i don't want to be misinterpreted.:)

[mtnh]

Ahhh Brokeback Garage!

:D

[GreekGod]

Sounds like a 3 guy sammich in the brokeback garage!

[rayjay]

I'm curious if a remote setup will present a problem in cold weather climates? The filter would be away from engine heat, good in summer, but is it good for start up flow when the air temps are below zero degrees F ? Does the stock oil pump create enough flow pressure to support this setup, warm or cold? Just some food for thought.

[jimlam56]

I'm curious if a remote setup will present a problem in cold weather climates? The filter would be away from engine heat, good in summer, but is it good for start up flow when the air temps are below zero degrees F ? Does the stock oil pump create enough flow pressure to support this setup, warm or cold? Just some food for thought.
Which ties into my previous question to those of you that have installed this mod...
Where's the best place to mount it?

[GreekGod]

<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 330278" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>rayjay</TD><TD class=alt2>I'm curious if a remote setup will present a problem in cold weather climates? The filter would be away from engine heat, good in summer, but is it good for start up flow when the air temps are below zero degrees F ? Does the stock oil pump create enough flow pressure to support this setup, warm or cold? Just some food for thought</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>That's one reason why 5/8" or 3/4" lines are preferred over 1/2" lines. 30" lines with the added restriction of fittings and elbows add resistance to flow. I think the filter is bypassed during cold start and running.

[FordNut]

If y'all are skeered of it, don't do it.

As I posted I got the SVO remote kit. It has barb fittings and 1/2" hose. I got different barb fittings from Swagelok because they're the best fittings made and I could get them in stainless steel. I mounted it on the frame rail at about a 30 degree angle, just above the sway bar. I have almost 80k miles on my car and don't worry about leaks, reduced flow, cold weather, knocked off by debris, etc.

[Marauderjack]

One of the reasons for remoting the oil filter was to position it vertically but every place I could do this within the 30" hose length has a blower hose or coolant hose in the way!!!:argue::mad2:

I may have to tap the frame and install studs to mount it horizontally and take the mount loose when installing a new filter so I can pre-fill it....Then just tighten it back up to the studs.....Still thinking about it!!??:mad:

I really would like the filter out of where it lives now and vertical....Maybe I can get some longer tubing??:confused:

Ideas??:help:

Marauderjack:o

[FordNut]

One of the reasons for remoting the oil filter was to position it vertically but every place I could do this within the 30" hose length has a blower hose or coolant hose in the way!!!:argue::mad2:

I may have to tap the frame and install studs to mount it horizontally and take the mount loose when installing a new filter so I can pre-fill it....Then just tighten it back up to the studs.....Still thinking about it!!??:mad:

I really would like the filter out of where it lives now and vertical....Maybe I can get some longer tubing??:confused:

Ideas??:help:

Marauderjack:oOnce upon a time Logan installed remote filter(s) in front of the radiator. I know your intercooler is in the way of that, but it does prove that the filter will work with longer hoses if you can find a good spot.

[Mike Poore]

I'm curious if a remote setup will present a problem in cold weather climates? The filter would be away from engine heat, good in summer, but is it good for start up flow when the air temps are below zero degrees F ? Does the stock oil pump create enough flow pressure to support this setup, warm or cold? Just some food for thought.

Naaa, no problem. We've been using 'em for years, the Amsoil kits, with very good success. It's just that I'm sand-bagging to see where you guys mount yours. It'll be my 1'st spring project.:)

Um, you are using synthetic oil ....right?

[FordNut]

Um, you are using synthetic oil ....right?
Mobil 1 for me

[Marauderjack]

Brian,

Could you post a photo of where you put your remote??:confused:

Can you see it from the wheel well and does it not interfere with wheel turning??:o

Marauderjack:bandit:

[FordNut]

Brian,

Could you post a photo of where you put your remote??:confused:

Can you see it from the wheel well and does it not interfere with wheel turning??:o

Marauderjack:bandit:
Sure, I'll have to shoot some more pics of it though. I posted some once but the photo gallery has either crashed or otherwise been changed twice since then and I can't find them.

I guess my description wasn't detailed enough, its on the inside of the frame rail so you can't see it from the wheelwell and it does not extend below the frame rail. And there's no way the tire can contact it.

[rayjay]

Mobil 1 for me

Mobil 1 here too. May go back to Royal Purple in the spring.

[Marauderjack]

Brian,

Don't bother with any pix!!

If you mounted yours on the inside of the frame that leaves me out since I have a bunch of blower plumbing in the way!!:argue:

I'll have to mount it outside the frame or possibly under it?? I'm calling the manufacturer tomorrow to see if I can get some 40" lines and what effect they may have on oil pressure and flow??:confused:

Marauderjack:rasta:

[jimlam56]

Brian,

Don't bother with any pix!!

If you mounted yours on the inside of the frame that leaves me out since I have a bunch of blower plumbing in the way!!:argue:

I'll have to mount it outside the frame or possibly under it?? I'm calling the manufacturer tomorrow to see if I can get some 40" lines and what effect they may have on oil pressure and flow??:confused:

Marauderjack:rasta:
I still would like to see pics, as I don't have a blower...yet...

[FordNut]

Brian,

Don't bother with any pix!!

If you mounted yours on the inside of the frame that leaves me out since I have a bunch of blower plumbing in the way!!:argue:

I'll have to mount it outside the frame or possibly under it?? I'm calling the manufacturer tomorrow to see if I can get some 40" lines and what effect they may have on oil pressure and flow??:confused:

Marauderjack:rasta:
I guess the tubing for the FIT kit is quite different from Dennis' air-air tubing. I have a Procharger D1SC but have a hybrid setup instead of Gregg's tubing and intercooler. Plenty of space for my oil filter.

[FordNut]

I still would like to see pics, as I don't have a blower...yet...
Thanks to Mary for finding the old gallery pics for me. Still don't know how to get to them except for the link in e-mail, but here's the pic of my filter, this is before blower install so the intercooler pipes aren't there.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/DSC01021.JPG

[Marauderjack]

Well Boys and Girls.....

The instructions that came with the remote kit have a section on the back that states they make 48" hoses if the 30" hoses aren't long enough!!:beer: If you cannot get them from the vendor you bought the kit from then simply send the 30" hoses along with $12.00 and they will send a set of 48" ones!!:D

I sent them today and will wait to mount the remote but it will now go on the frame up near the fog light on the driver's side!!:banana:

Thank you Trans-Dapt!!!:bows:

Marauderjack:burnout:

[Marauderjack]

Well....

The only place I could find to install the remote was in front of the left front wheel on the frame just behind the bumper!! All went well and I pre-filled the FL-1A....Started the car with no clatter and instant oil pressure!!:beer:

I drove it to town and back and it seems the oil pressure at idle is about 5# higher than it was and at 3000 RPM's about 5# less than it was??:confused: Idle is 25+# in gear and at 3000 RPM's it is about 65#....I'll check it cold in the AM and see where that lands??:cool:

I wonder what the bypass pressure difference is between the FL-820S and FL-1A??:confused:

BTW...A guy at Trans-Dapt said they only recommend Fram PH-8A??? I asked him why and he said it has the best anti-drain back valve??:bows: Comments?? I was speechless......finally told him that Fram was not well thought of in the car circles I am in. No comment from him!!:censor:

Also, it now holds about 7 quarts of oil...Can't hurt!!:beer:

Marauderjack:burnout:

[HwyCruiser]

Jack, please post up some pics if you get a chance. Did the adaptor you used come with spare ports for an Accusump, oil cooler, etc?

[jakdad]

The FL1a is fine. I think Trans Dapt has some kind of affiliation with Fram. Nothing personal, just business...............
:D :D

[RF Overlord]

I wonder what the bypass pressure difference is between the FL-820S and FL-1A??FL820S bypass: 12-15 lbs Flow Rate: 11-13 GPM
FL1A bypass: 8-11 lbs Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM

I would use the FL820S. Sometimes bigger is not necessarily better.

BTW...A guy at Trans-Dapt said they only recommend Fram PH-8A??? I asked him why and he said it has the best anti-drain back valve Comments?? He is dead wrong. The ADBV in the FRAM PH8A is cheap nitrile rubber that will harden with extended use. The FL820S has a silicone ADBV that is FAR superior. However, this is only important if the filter is mounted more than 45&#176; from vertical.

[FordNut]

I use Purolator Pure1 filters. FL1A size.

[Mike Poore]

FL820S bypass: 12-15 lbs Flow Rate: 11-13 GPM
FL1A bypass: 8-11 lbs Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM

I would use the FL820S. Sometimes bigger is not necessarily better.
He is dead wrong. The ADBV in the FRAM PH8A is cheap nitrile rubber that will harden with extended use. The FL820S has a silicone ADBV that is FAR superior. However, this is only important if the filter is mounted more than 45° from vertical.

Bob, is the thread on the FL820S the same as the FL1A? In orher words, with a remote, and space not being a consideration, can you use either one? For some reason I thought the FL820S had metric threads.:dunno:

[GreekGod]

There is a so-called 2 quart version of the FL1A. It is about half again as long as the FL1A. I'm sure the FL820S is metric.

[Marauderman]

anyone need a few 820S's??:confused:

Marauderjack

Hey Friend--I would like some of those 820's--My F-150 and '97 T-Bird use them as well--could use them in my MM if I needed to-----AM going to Fla Monday Morn--way earily--but maybe on the way back on the 5th or 6th of Feb I might meet you at an exit and pick some up--still got 'um????????

[Marauderman]

I still would like to see pics, as I don't have a blower...yet...
Maybe I hand you my keys to #7 at Dennis' on Monday morn--you may place an order sooner than you think afterwards-:lol:

[RF Overlord]

Bob, is the thread on the FL820S the same as the FL1A? For some reason I thought the FL820S had metric threads.Mike, you're right; the FL820S does have metric threads. Most remote filter adapters use the PH8A-style filter, and the FL820S would not be interchangeable. I was just trying to point out that the FL1A is not necessarily a better filter simply by being bigger. The FL1A is, however, far superior to the FRAM PH8A.

[Marauderjack]

RF.....How the heck does any oil get filtered if the bypasses open at less than 15 PSI???:confused:

Hwy...I'll get some pix today and post. It worked out really well!!:beer:

Someone asked about plumbing an AccuSump or a cooler and yes the Trans-Dapt people have a remote adaptor that will accomodate them as well.

http://www.tdperformance.com/TransDapt.html

Marauderjack:burnout:

[Marauderjack]

Got some pix but don't know how to post them....HELP!!!!:censor: :help:

Marauderjack:shake:

[RF Overlord]

RF.....How the heck does any oil get filtered if the bypasses open at less than 15 PSI???jack, bypass pressure is the difference in pressure between the inlet and outlet of the filter. If the pressure being fed to the filter is 60 lbs and the pressure leaving the filter (due to clogged media or due to using oil that is too thick) is 45 lbs, that's a 15 lb differential, so the bypass valve will open, allowing oil to flow directly to the motor.

With Motorcraft filters, the bypass valve is at the threaded end, versus the "dome" end. This means the unfiltered oil bypasses the media altogether, whereas if the bypass valve is at the dome end, as it is in a FRAM filter, the oil will wash across the dirty side of the media when in bypass. Note that ALL filters go into bypass on cold start-up, so this is a bigger deal than it might seem.

[Marauderjack]

Soooooo The Fram allows "Bypass Oil" to wash crud back into the system or have I missed the point??:argue: :mad2:

Marauderjack:bandit:

[RF Overlord]

No, jack, you didn't miss anything...that's EXACTLY the point...

[Marauderjack]

Hmmmmm???

I wonder what Moron came up with that design??:cool:

You know what is amazing though....Volkswagens used to routinely run 100K miles with NO OIL FILTER!!!:bows: Also air cooled....Hotter than water cooled and still survived even for those who seldom even changed the oil??:confused:

I prefer to think that I'm doing the best I can to keep my machinery in top operating condition and hopefully it will last a looooong time!!:beer:

Marauderjack:D

[Mike Poore]

Mike, you're right; the FL820S does have metric threads. Most remote filter adapters use the PH8A-style filter, and the FL820S would not be interchangeable. I was just trying to point out that the FL1A is not necessarily a better filter simply by being bigger. The FL1A is, however, far superior to the FRAM PH8A.

Thanks Bob, we can always count on you when it comes to this stuff. I saw those oil filter comparison tests, and no, I won't be using anything on any of our machines with the Fram name on it. Actually, we've been using the Amsoil FL-1A style filters on our remote setups. :)

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[JACook]

The FL820S has a silicone ADBV that is FAR superior. However, this is only important if the filter is mounted more than 45° from vertical.
RF, In general I think your oil filter advice is spot on. But I do have to quibble this point. Oil drainback isn't just
about the filter emptying out, though that's of course a bigger problem when it does. But even when the filter
mounts with it's threaded end straight up, you can still have drainback issues because a poor ADBV will still allow
the engine's upper oil passages to empty back through the filter. Also, as the oil drains back into the pan, at some
point, the pickup tube can empty. On an engine with a rear sump, and front-mounted oil pump, this can be almost
as bad as starting up with an empty filter.

Used to have an old 390 that I could tell when the ADBV wasn't so good anymore...

[Marauderjack]

OK Guys.....

I have 8 or 10 FL-1A's and have been using them on my 408W Stroker in my Cobra!!:beer: Of course they are better than the PH-8A but what is the best filter of the FL-1A size and thread style??:confused:

I'm not interested in paying $15-$20 for a filter but I get the feeling some of you don't think the FL-1A's are up to the task??:confused: :help:

Marauderjack:burnout:

[RF Overlord]

what is the best filter of the FL-1A size and thread style??...I get the feeling some of you don't think the FL-1A's are up to the task??jack, that isn't the impression I intended at all. IMHO, the FL820S is a slightly better filter, but there's nothing wrong with the FL1A at all, and it is probably the best choice among all the equivalent sizes.

[Marauderjack]

OK.....I'll stick with the FL-1A for now.

I took a 360 mile trip yesterday and it appears that the OP at 2500 RPM's is about 5 PSI lower than before while idle is about 5 PSI higher??:confused:

I've always heard that Wix filters were the best.....Comments??:cool:

Marauderjack:burnout:

[RF Overlord]

WIX filters, along with their identical cousins NAPA Gold, are among the best filters out there, but so are Motorcraft.

As far as your oil pressure difference, it's most likely due to restriction from the additional hoses, and due to the FL1A having different flow characteristics than the FL820S, but 5 lbs is nothing to worry about either way.

[GordonB]

Questions for all of the discerning MMers out there:
1. Am I right or wrong in wanting a less messy solution to my 2 MMs oil changing duties? -- I do them myself in my garage with Ford parts (filter & oil); I cannot afford $60 oil changes and dripping oil from my MMs after taking them to the local LM dealer.

2. I have 2 TRD-1127 (TransAdapt) oil filter relo kits coming from Summit tomorrow. From what I was able to research, it appears that this kit is REASONABLEly priced and gives good value for our hard-earned dollars. It seems to have crimped fittings on the hose ends which is a MUST IMHO.

3. Is it a mistake or foolish to think that the Ford Fl1A and the FL-820S would be equivalent for normally aspirated and daily driven MMs?

4. Lastly, do I install these on BOTH cars or only one and compare results? OR will I never even notice any difference?

5. I take these cars down I-95 FREQUENTLY at 450 miles each way. Is this a consideration?

Thanks to all, appreciate your thoughts and ideas.

GordonB:help:

[RF Overlord]

1. Am I right or wrong in wanting a less messy solution to my 2 MMs oil changing duties? You are right.

2. It seems to have crimped fittings on the hose ends which is a MUST IMHO. Right again...the DOHC motor has a prodigious amount of oil pressure on cold start-up and you do NOT want one of those hoses blowing off a barb fitting.

3. Is it a mistake or foolish to think that the Ford Fl1A and the FL-820S would be equivalent for normally aspirated and daily driven MMs? Not sure what you mean by "equivalent"...they are not physically interchangeable, but either one will do an adequate job of filtering the oil. Just don't use the FL1As bigger size as an excuse to stretch out your OCI.

4. Lastly, do I install these on BOTH cars or only one and compare results? OR will I never even notice any difference? I doubt you'll see any difference in a UOA either way.

5. I take these cars down I-95 FREQUENTLY at 450 miles each way. Is this a consideration? No...Hope this helps

[Marauderjack]

Found out why my OP is a bit higher at idle...."Blower Tune" sets the idle at 700 RPM's....DUH!!!!!:shake: :cool:

I watched the 2500 RPM OP yesterday as I went to Charlotte and it is about where it was all along now.....Temps were a bit cooler than on Monday and I believe the larger filter at the front bumper does a bit more cooling than the FL-820S mounted to the block??:bows: It takes the engine about 5 minutes longer now to reach 184* (coolant temp) than before!!:rolleyes:

Marauderjack:D

[GordonB]

RF,
Thank you for your comments. I'll proceed as planned.
First one goes on ol' Blue (MM) this weekend with the oil change.
GordonB:)

[rayjay]

2. I have 2 TRD-1127 (TransAdapt) oil filter relo kits coming from Summit tomorrow. From what I was able to research, it appears that this kit is REASONABLEly priced and gives good value for our hard-earned dollars. It seems to have crimped fittings on the hose ends which is a MUST IMHO.


Thanks for the part number, its on my "to buy list" for the my next oil change.

[GordonB]

rayjay, and others,
I received my 2 TRD-1127 (TransAdapt) oil filter relo kits from Summit tonight. Opened 1 box and examined the hoses. Both are the same as expected, but NEITHER has a crimped connection holding on the brass male end fitting. It looks to me, OTHER PEOPLE PLEASE CHIME if I am wrong, like the hoses are press fit onto a brass end connection with the brass end/male fitting expanding the grey rubber (braided internally) hose slightly. Don't know whether or not to be dismayed, but I am certainly dissapointed. I am not a big fan of band clamps and will NOT be applying them to these hoses, but I would like MORE SECURITY from leaks. Am I asking too much from a manufacturer?
Consequently, what do I do now? Install these kits and keep checking for leaks? Or do I somehow fabricate my own hoses with better end fittings? I may also contact the manufaturer on Friday afternoon directly and query them. Other suggestions?:help:
Gordonb

[sweetair]

rayjay, and others,
I received my 2 TRD-1127 (TransAdapt) oil filter relo kits from Summit tonight. Opened 1 box and examined the hoses. Both are the same as expected, but NEITHER has a crimped connection holding on the brass male end fitting. It looks to me, OTHER PEOPLE PLEASE CHIME if I am wrong, like the hoses are press fit onto a brass end connection with the brass end/male fitting expanding the grey rubber (braided internally) hose slightly. Don't know whether or not to be dismayed, but I am certainly dissapointed. I am not a big fan of band clamps and will NOT be applying them to these hoses, but I would like MORE SECURITY from leaks. Am I asking too much from a manufacturer?
Consequently, what do I do now? Install these kits and keep checking for leaks? Or do I somehow fabricate my own hoses with better end fittings? I may also contact the manufaturer on Friday afternoon directly and query them. Other suggestions?:help:
GordonbGordon, this is a mod I have been interested in myself. I've talked to a few people about this topic, and I value highly thier opinion. Their point to me was 1)why just relocate the filter and not cool the oil, and 2)use pressure SS lines not rubber tubes. I have spoken in depth with tech support at Summit Racing trying to configure a kit that has both components. What I have come up with is this. Part #PRM 315 oil cooler core, PRM118 spin on adapter, PRM1701 oil filter bracket, EAR-800110ERL qty(6), EAR-320010ERL 20 ft to be cut to size or 3ft or 6ft sections of the SS line presized, and EAR-981610ERL qty (6). That should be all you need for a serious filter relocation and cooler kit. The price is a little salty, but she is worth it. SS lines and 1/2in NPT compression fittings is no joke. I am still on the fence though. I need to do some more thinking about his one. I want to do it but I might wait one more iol change until it is warmer out and do it then. Let me know what you guys think....

[Marauderjack]

Gordon,

Call Trans-Dapt at 562-921-0404 and they will answer any questions you may have!!:beer:

Yes....The fittings are crimped beneith the outer covering and No.....they have not leaked a drop on my car!!:bows:

Keep in mind that you WILL have to bend and kink these hoses during installation and I'll bet the metal braided line won't like this treatment very much...May stay permanently kinked!!:argue: :mad2:

These folks have made these kits for a long time and for much more severe service than we are going to give them.....:cool:

Also, you may want to re-think the oil cooler as you will probably keep your oil too cool during the cooler months. My car now takes about twice as long to reach operating temperature....since I guess the remote acts as a small cooler by itself!! I've also noticed my water temps are a bit lower at highway speeds??:bows:

If you need the 48" hoses they will send them for $12.00 and your 30" hoses!!:D

Marauderjack:bandit:

[rayjay]

Is the MC FL-820s filter usable with the Trans-Dapt relocation kit?

[Marauderjack]

Nope...Wrong threads (Metric)...Have to use FL-1A or similar filter!!:beer:

There are other filters the same size as the 820S that you can use if that's what you are after?? I can email you a list that is on the box if you wish!!;)

I'd post it here but for some reason I cannot post pictures or attachments??:confused:

Marauderjack:D

[rayjay]

Nope...Wrong threads (Metric)...Have to use FL-1A or similar filter!!:beer:

There are other filters the same size as the 820S that you can use if that's what you are after?? I can email you a list that is on the box if you wish!!;)

I'd post it here but for some reason I cannot post pictures or attachments??:confused:

Marauderjack:D

Thanks, I have a few of the FL820s on hand. Refresh my memory please, I'd need to go with 7qts of oil if I use this kit?

[GordonB]

Marauderjack,
Thank you for the suggestions and encopuragement. I'll givem them a call on Friday afternoon and see what they say.
I don't have an oil cooler as such. Just want to do the relo of the filter for ease of changing it.
GordonB

[Marauderjack]

Gordon....It is a PITA to put the remote on but when you finish you won't fight with the damn filter in that ridiculous location ever again!!!:beer:

rayjay....It will take about a half quart more if you use an FL-1A...the hoses hold some as well and I didn't really pay attention since I didn't change the oil when I installed the kit?? I just brought it back up to about half way in the hash marked area on the stick hot and it settles in to "Full" cold...I'll measure it next change which will be about 3 weeks out if I keep going like I have this week!!:shake: :rolleyes:

Marauderjack:burnout: :D

[Mike Poore]

I've done some homework, and learned a bunch of stuff; should I start an oil filter thread? ;)

[Marauderjack]

Some photos of my install......:beer:

[IMG]http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/1/3/6/8/TD-Adaptor.JPG

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/1/3/6/8/TD-OilLines.JPG

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/1/3/6/8/RemoteOilFilter.JPG


I think I did it!!!!:D

Marauderjack:rasta:

[Marauder2005]

Some photos of my install......:beer:

[IMG]http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/1/3/6/8/TD-Adaptor.JPG

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/1/3/6/8/TD-OilLines.JPG

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/1/3/6/8/RemoteOilFilter.JPG


I think I did it!!!!:D

Marauderjack:rasta:

Very well done :)

[GreekGod]

It appears your (48" ?) hoses were the perfect length and fit without any severe bends.

[TooManyFords]

Great pictures and a great install!

Cheers!

John

[jgc61sr2002]

I concur, a very nice install.:D :up:

[Marauderjack]

Thanks Guys!!!

It was a bit of a PITA to do and really should have been done long before the blower installation but it is done and oil changes are a DREAM now!!!:beer::bows:

Marauderjack:burnout:

[RoyLPita]

It looks nice. BTW, that is where the oil filter is located on the 97-98 F150 4X4.

Also, did you have a takers for your box of 820's??

[Marauderjack]

Marauderman spoke for them and was supposed to call me last week on his way to Florida but I never heard from him??

I just PM'd him and will wait to see what he has to say.

Marauderjack:bandit:

[RoyLPita]

Marauderman spoke for them and was supposed to call me last week on his way to Florida but I never heard from him??

I just PM'd him and will wait to see what he has to say.

Marauderjack:bandit:

Any updates on your extra supply of 820 oil filters?