Turbo

[Motorhead350]

Alright I just wanna know how many of you actually have turbos. S/C seems to be the way to go, but I ran into a Marauder with a Turbo this weekend at the world of wheels show. Now I knew about turbos for Marauders for about a year now, but last time I checked they wouldn't even get into the 13s. Maybe I'm wrong from advancements or if that 1/4 didn't include everything or whatever, but I wanna know if anyone has one and if there is more then one company out there. The one at the show claimed to run as good and better then most S/Cers. KEEP IT CLEAN I KNOW HOW THIS COMPANY THING CAN GET FOR WHATEVER REASON. :shake: What was a major turnoff for me was the fact that theres no warranty.... at least for the turbo I saw. Ok lets hear it.

[juno]

What company was that? The one I checked into has at least 1 year on the turbo and lifetime on all hot piping.

[Motorhead350]

I don't know, but they guy who owns the car is a member on this site so I'm sure he'll have something to say soon.

[RoyLPita]

There's a company out of San Antonio, TX that did Todd's MM. The vidoes are very cool. The address is www.proturbokits.com .

[Zack]

It was turbo ernies car.
Stock motor it made 470/520 at the wheels.

[jawz101]

From what I gather you're probably always going to get better 1/4 times w/ supercharger over turbo.
Supercharger's power is at the belts. Turbos take time to spool up as it gets it's power from your reused exhaust. It is very efficient but you'll probably start getting power if you floor it after I guess around 25/30 mph.

There was a video on a manuf. site that one member bought his turbo from that showed the MM floor it only after going at speed. You're going to get results either way. Turbos are usually cheaper but they still have their merits.

You may want to ask Todd about this -his post on his setup:
www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23462&highlight=turbo (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23462&highlight=turbo)

Pro turbo post (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24294&highlight=turbo)that also says they're running a sale until... yesterday

[Todd]

From what I gather you're probably always going to get better 1/4 times w/ supercharger over turbo.
Supercharger's power is at the belts. Turbos take time to spool up as it gets it's power from your reused exhaust. It is very efficient but you'll probably start getting power if you floor it after I guess around 25/30 mph.

There was a video on a manuf. site that one member bought his turbo from that showed the MM floor it only after going at speed. You're going to get results either way. Turbos are usually cheaper but they still have their merits.

You may want to ask Todd about this -his post on his setup:
www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23462&highlight=turbo (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23462&highlight=turbo)

Pro turbo post (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=24294&highlight=turbo)that also says they're running a sale until... yesterday



Better 1/4 mile times with supercharger versus turbo is not true.

With a properly sized turbo you can get in any performance 'bucket' you want. By that I mean you can size your turbo for lots of low end torque/power but falls off a little up top, more mid range through top end, or all top end. Just like superchargers... Some are more suited to low end but may fall off some up top, some others may be slower down low but come on strong up top.


Something you have to keep in mind is that turbos dominate almost every drag racing class they are in (if not every one).... But 'class' drag racing and our weekend warriors are two differnet things. So the comparison is hard to make....

[Todd]

Alright I just wanna know how many of you actually have turbos. S/C seems to be the way to go, but I ran into a Marauder with a Turbo this weekend at the world of wheels show. Now I knew about turbos for Marauders for about a year now, but last time I checked they wouldn't even get into the 13s. Maybe I'm wrong from advancements or if that 1/4 didn't include everything or whatever, but I wanna know if anyone has one and if there is more then one company out there. The one at the show claimed to run as good and better then most S/Cers. KEEP IT CLEAN I KNOW HOW THIS COMPANY THING CAN GET FOR WHATEVER REASON. :shake: What was a major turnoff for me was the fact that theres no warranty.... at least for the turbo I saw. Ok lets hear it.

As Zack said above, that was Ernie. I talk to him pretty frequently...

They do come with a warranty. 1 year on the turbo and lifetime on the pipes.

Not into the 13's is WAY off. You should have asked Ernie how fast he has run... My car naturally aspirated ran a mid 13 second run...

Every power adder has its place. They also have their proponents and opponents. So opinions abound...


A few facts that can not be denied are that belt driven superchargers have about a 20% parasitic power loss due to turning the belt. Turbos have around 5% parasitic loss.

And, turbos can djust boost using a boost controller. Push of a few buttons can up or lower the boost... With the right boost controllers you can control boost based on gear, rpm, put boost levels on timers, and some other things... It is very controllable. The boost controller I have is the eBoost2 by TurboSmart. It does all that I mentioned above plus some. I will never use all of the variable boost stuff but its there if I ever need it.


The only kit maker at this point is Pro Turbo Kits (now called ProTurboSystems). That of course is the kit I have on my car.

If you have any questions let me know. I would be glad to answer them for you. I have talked with a number of guys from this site and helped them with their questions....

[rocknrod]

http://www.proturbokits.com/vids/cat.asp?iCat=6&offset=9
Video?

[Todd]

http://www.proturbokits.com/vids/cat.asp?iCat=6&offset=9
Video?


The video didnt come up for you?

When I click on that link I see a small pic of a marauder. I click on that and it asked me if I want to save it, open it, or cancel.


If you are not seeing that, could you have a firewall that is messing with it...?


I would save it to your desktop and then open with windows media player... Worked for me.

[Motorhead350]

Yes Ernies car was way below a 13 second time, nice guy by the way. He told me there was no warranty on his, but didn't need it because nothing breaks. So anyway the turbo I saw a year or so ago only gained like 75 horsepower, but that must have been way different and maybe 3psi. Anyway is there only one company that makes these?

[Todd]

Yes Ernies car was way below a 13 second time, nice guy by the way. He told me there was no warranty on his, but didn't need it because nothing breaks. So anyway the turbo I saw a year or so ago only gained like 75 horsepower, but that must have been way different and maybe 3psi. Anyway is there only one company that makes these?



Yes, only PTK makes kits for our car. You could always have a custom shop make one...

Otherwise if you are looking for an out of the box solution this is it.

PS They extended the sale till the end of this week. Friday. If you call them, tell them Todd said hi...

[DEFYANT]

Todd, will you be going to Sebring? I'd love to see this car of yours! Nevermind see it run...... :D

[Todd]

Todd, will you be going to Sebring? I'd love to see this car of yours! Nevermind see it run...... :D


I've been talking to Jimlam56 about going.

I am getting my official tune next week. So I will be able to beat on the car after that. I am not a road course kind of guy but it would be fun to get out and play a little!!!!

So the answer is a maybe....

[Rider90]

Todd, maybe you can answer this, what kind of 1/4 ET does the PTK put out of the box? Is it competative with the Trilogy, Procharger, or Vortech, out of the box?

Just facts, no biased opinions, that goes for everyone please.

[Zack]

The turbo kit will get you into the mid twelves or lower with tires.
Again, it will make 470/500+ to the wheels with no other mods.

[Rider90]

The turbo kit will get you into the mid twelves or lower with tires.
Again, it will make 470/500+ to the wheels with no other mods.
That's very respectable. Thanks.

[Todd]

Todd, maybe you can answer this, what kind of 1/4 ET does the PTK put out of the box? Is it competative with the Trilogy, Procharger, or Vortech, out of the box?

Just facts, no biased opinions, that goes for everyone please.


I can guarantee they are competitive out of the box. I will not claim better or worse as I think the only real way to do that would be for someone with one of the kits to take it off and put one of the others in. Then run in the same conditions.

I will see if someone I know who has run his car wants to post his numbers... Not my place to do that....

There are a few guys buying kits now that may be able to answer that in the not to distant future..

I can tell you the power the kit made straight out of the box. If that helps.

470 hp and 520 tq at 9psi. Those numbers have been posted before. Those numbers were from the first car the kit went on.

I can also confirm that a more recent car with the stock kit made more than that at basically the same boost level. (Just under 9psi)
Now that doesnt reflect directly on 1/4 et's but it gives you an idea..

I will eventually run my car in the 1/4 but my kit is not stock and I am not a 'drag strip' drag racer. So I am the newest of the new in that respect. But when I get the hang of launches etc. I will post the time. No problem...

[Rider90]

Todd, is their kit 100% complete? Every nut and bolt, chip?

[Motorhead350]

From what I heard yes and it was $4,800 total for everything, even new headers.

[Todd]

Todd, is their kit 100% complete? Every nut and bolt, chip?


Yes, I had a couple variances on my kit because I changed some parts out on my kit. So they had to send me a couple things to replace items I bought while installing my kit.

But otherwise it was all there. Just make sure you go over your parts list very good for anything that may be missing.

[O's Fan Rich]

From what I heard yes and it was $4,800 total for everything, even new headers.

That price correct? I did not see that # on the website.
Turbo would be different, would it not?
I'd need some more "reassurance" before pulling the trigger.

[Rider90]

That price correct? I did not see that # on the website.
Turbo would be different, would it not?
I'd need some more "reassurance" before pulling the trigger.
And how about assembly instructions? Or do they need to do the install?

[Motorhead350]

Yes I know the price differs from the website and no that doesn't include labor. As far as instructions I'm not sure. Ask Ernie when he comes on here, he told me he did it himself and also told me the price. SargentMac might be able to shead some light on this and yes I know his car is blown, not turbo. Anyway lets hope someone can help us out here to findout if this is as good as it sounds.

[Todd]

That price correct? I did not see that # on the website.
Turbo would be different, would it not?
I'd need some more "reassurance" before pulling the trigger.


Full retail is $5899 x .80 = $4719 (x .80 to reflect the 20% discount.) That sale is on through the end of day tomorrow.

[Motorhead350]

Shoot! I won't have the money by then, well I still don't know enough to make a decision to spend that amount at this point anyway.

[Todd]

And how about assembly instructions? Or do they need to do the install?


I got Dalton from PTK to come to my city and install my kit with the help of me and a couple friends.

He filmed some of the install and will eventually put together a install video which will help with install.

There is no written instructions. It is more of a tuner kit. Which means if you are doing this kit you should have some level of previous experience with mods like this.

I could have figured it out without Dalton being here or a video but it would have taken longer.


Ernie did install the kit on his own.

[Rider90]

With the hands I have at my house we can figure out, 4700 is a steal, I can only dream right now. Soon though, I have my plans.

[juno]

It's a great deal, making that power at 9psi with no extra pulley's, exhaust, etc.

[Motorhead350]

Stupid question.... does the system have a blow off valve or make the sound of one?

[Joe Walsh]

Stupid question.... does the system have a blow off valve or make the sound of one?

Turbo systems usually use an exhaust bypass valve that bleeds exhaust pressure off prior to the compressor turbine to hold boost at a maximum preset level.
It dumps the exhaust back into the exhaust pipe after the Turbo. It is not noisy at all.

[Motorhead350]

Thanks then no annoying import tuner sound.

[Todd]

Stupid question.... does the system have a blow off valve or make the sound of one?



It has a recirculation valve. Meaning instead of venting to atmosphere it vents back into the intake tract. Just after the mass air.

But you can hear the sound pretty good since the vent is very close to the air filter.

[Todd]

Thanks then no annoying import tuner sound.


Joe is talking about the wastegate...


You are talking about a blow off valve or recirc valve.

Yes, it does make the sound. But if you buy a tuneable recirc valve you can make it louder and quieter... I upgraded to the Greddy type RS valve. Which can be adjusted.

And with this being an auto tranny, you really only hear it when you are coming off a pretty good throttle.

The ricers keep their rpms up with 5 speeds and make the sound for fun... We dont with autos...

[Joe Walsh]

Joe is talking about the wastegate...


You are talking about a blow off valve or recirc valve.

Yes, it does make the sound. But if you buy a tuneable recirc valve you can make it louder and quieter... I upgraded to the Greddy type RS valve. Which can be adjusted.

And with this being an auto tranny, you really only hear it when you are coming off a pretty good throttle.

The ricers keep their rpms up with 5 speeds and make the sound for fun... We dont with autos...


OOPS! :o
Didn't mean to confuse things here...Yep, I was talking about the wastegate, not the recirc valve.
Two different animals:
>Wastegate works to control boost at open throttle positions by bleeding exhaust pressure;
>Recirc valve works to control boost/surging when the
throttle is closed by bleeding pressurized intake air.

[Motorhead350]

still sounds good to me.

[Motorhead350]

One more question.... how does this effect gas mileage? Will it get the same as a blown Marauder or a stock one? Can it still pull 300+ highway miles on a full tank? Thanks.

[Todd]

One more question.... how does this effect gas mileage? Will it get the same as a blown Marauder or a stock one? Can it still pull 300+ highway miles on a full tank? Thanks.


Turbos will typically get slightly better gas mileage than their belt driven brothers...... That is because of the 20% parasitic power loss being eaten up by the belt versus the 5% being eaten up by the recirculation of exhaust gases to turn the impeller.

But that all comes back to whether you can keep your foot out of the accellerator with any of these power adders....! I bet you cant!!!! :)

[Motorhead350]

o ok we went over something like this before. Reguardless I can't wait for my power adder. Blower or Turbo.... I still can't decide. :tongue:

[Dan]

Todd,

It sounds to me like the turbo is the most tune-able option out there. Would you say that this is true?

Best,

Dan

[Todd]

Todd,

It sounds to me like the turbo is the most tune-able option out there. Would you say that this is true?

Best,

Dan

Depends on what you mean by tuneable......


They are very flexible. Very efficient. Lots of benefits. But they do tend to be for slightly more advanced mod'rs....

[Vortech347]

Unless something else comes up I'm definatly going with this turbo kit when my ESP warranty is up. The Sky is the limit as turbos are easily tuned, swaped, and adjusted.

mmmmmmmmmm A Nice T-66, Meth, SHM stroker block. "Here viper viper viper"

[Motorhead350]

mmmmmmmm sounds good to me too