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Motorhead350
02-12-2006, 01:17 AM
Does anyone think my car can handle a blower at 100,000 miles? I know we went over this before and I got mixed answers so I need to know again because I will probably buy one in the next three months. My car has had mostly highway miles, but has run down the 1320 a lotta times...... probably 70 or so. Now when I had a supercharger on my truck it kept eating away at spark plugs and wires, will this happen on the Marauder? Do I have to do more then change the oil every 3,000 miles to keep it runnin at it's best? Also I heard something about a pully, by getting the "better" one how much will this lower my e.t. and will my headlights be effected at night? :confused: Also is there anything to maintain on the blower? Thanks. :banana:
Marauderjack
02-12-2006, 04:33 AM
Whatcha got to lose....Go fer it!!!!:beer:
You're gonna to rebuild it sooner or later anyway....aren't you??:confused:
:burnout: :burnout:
Marauderjack:bandit:
MarauderMark
02-12-2006, 07:25 AM
Whatcha got to lose....Go fer it!!!!:beer:
You're gonna to rebuild it sooner or later anyway....aren't you??:confused:
:burnout: :burnout:
Marauderjack:bandit:
Yep thats right..:D
Marauder386
02-12-2006, 07:57 AM
Motorhead....sending you a PM...standby....EXECUTE !
:coolman:
bigslim
02-12-2006, 08:40 AM
Does anyone think my car can handle a blower at 100,000 miles? I know we went over this before and I got mixed answers so I need to know again because I will probably buy one in the next three months. My car has had mostly highway miles, but has run down the 1320 a lotta times...... probably 70 or so. Now when I had a supercharger on my truck it kept eating away at spark plugs and wires, will this happen on the Marauder? Do I have to do more then change the oil every 3,000 miles to keep it runnin at it's best? Also I heard something about a pully, by getting the "better" one how much will this lower my e.t. and will my headlights be effected at night? :confused: Also is there anything to maintain on the blower? Thanks. :banana:
I really can't say what the effects of putting a blower on a 100,000 will be. You will know until you try it. I still change my oil every 3000 miles.
Doing a pully change to a smaller pulley will net more boost. More boost, more power. This maybe a concern with an engine with high miles.
Putting a blower on a car will not effect your headlights. People may see them faster though.
MikesMerc
02-12-2006, 08:46 AM
I'd get the blower kit, but pass on the smaller pulley (and more boost) untril after an engine rebuild. Not that you can't do it, it just might make a tired motor last longer running the base 9 psi and not higher. If the engines been cared for, the base blower kit would be okay. Just understand that common sense dictates that older motors may not tolerate higher power levels as well.
sailsmen
02-12-2006, 08:50 AM
I S/C my car w/ 43K and 130+ runs down the 1,320'.
It now has 63K and 150+ runs. Does not burn a drop of oil.
I did an oil sample analysis before S/C. It maybe worth the $25.
I need to do another oil analysis.
Go for it.
merc406
02-12-2006, 08:55 AM
Save your money, your gonna need it for upcoming motor repairs.:lol:
carfixer
02-12-2006, 09:06 AM
I only worry about motors that have been neglected, not abused. If the car was maintained with regular maintenance, I'd have no worries.
Example, Trilogy 1 is possibly the most abused car in history, but maintained regularly. Hundreds of 1/4 mile passes, never driven except to get abused and tried out by dozens of drivers. Went through a bunch of drag radials... You get the picture. The point is, the engine survived 40K miles, only to fail on the track after pushing the envelope (max boost, header leak, NOS). It was his test bed and he taught us the limits of our stock engine. If the car had been left in stock Trilogy configuration, who knows how long it would have gone.
BillyG just turned 30K since his Trilogy install. From his posts, I'm sure you can tell his car gets its dose of abuse...daily. No failures. Why? He maintains the car correctly.
If the car had good maintenance, I say, go for it.
merc6
02-12-2006, 09:11 AM
since there is alot of talk about the rear end...should he inspect that before taking the plunge on the charger?
RF Overlord
02-12-2006, 09:18 AM
merc6 has a good point, Motorhead. Take your car to a shop you trust that has experience with rear-ends, and have them inspect everything and put in fresh synthetic 75W-140. You should be good to go, then...
Marauderjack
02-12-2006, 09:23 AM
FYI......
5# of boost is surprisingly strong and what the others have said about neglect and abuse should be taken as good advice for any Hi Performance application!!:bows:
If your internal bearings are OK.....Cooling system clean.....and compression up to par you really have nothing to worry about!!:beer:
Somebody made the statement that with reasonable care these drivetrains should last 300K miles......If so then your engine is still very YOUNG especially with road miles!!:cool:
If it were me I wouldn't hesitate!!:banana:
Marauderjack:burnout:
Jolly Roger
02-12-2006, 09:30 AM
Does anyone think my car can handle a blower at 100,000 miles? I know we went over this before and I got mixed answers so I need to know again because I will probably buy one in the next three months. My car has had mostly highway miles, but has run down the 1320 a lotta times...... probably 70 or so. Now when I had a supercharger on my truck it kept eating away at spark plugs and wires, will this happen on the Marauder? Do I have to do more then change the oil every 3,000 miles to keep it runnin at it's best? Also I heard something about a pully, by getting the "better" one how much will this lower my e.t. and will my headlights be effected at night? :confused: Also is there anything to maintain on the blower? Thanks. :banana:
The pulley problem that was reffered to was most likely by someone that had a problem with the early Mustang Underdrive pulleys.:o
Motorhead350
02-12-2006, 01:09 PM
I have a 4.10 gear ready to be installed so the rear will be ready to go. And yes I maintained it very well, but it should probably have some more fluids changed. The only ones that have been changed besides the motor oil were the rear axel fluid about 20,000 miles ago and the tranny fluid around the same time. It's never had it's fuel filter changed or anything so I guess I should take it to the dealer for a 100,000 mile service before I bolt anything on. Like I said they are all highways miles. So I wouldn't have to rebuild it before I bolt this on? If I do then it looks like I may not do this because thats more money then I wanna spend. :( The car still runs like it was new and drives too so I don't see a reason for a rebuild. The only problem is startup sometimes and the dealer said I need a new alternator anyway because they have been going bad on these engines. Alright so just get the 100,000 mile service and bolt it on?
RF Overlord
02-12-2006, 04:01 PM
The pulley problem that was reffered to was most likely by someone that had a problem with the early Mustang Underdrive pulleys.:oI believe the pulley Motorhead is thinking of is one of the optional smaller-diameter blower pulleys that are available for the Eaton blower to increase boost. The stock pulley is 3.2", and the optional pulleys are 3.0" and 2.8" IIRC. I'm not sure running one of the smaller pulleys would be a good idea on a motor with that many miles.
*EDIT*: Motorhead, by all means definitely replace the fuel filter. New injectors are supplied with the kit, and you do NOT want to mess them up with dirty fuel...that would also be a good time to upgrade to one of the larger filter options available. BTW, shame on you for letting the fuel filter go so long in the first place... ;)
Hotrauder
02-12-2006, 04:19 PM
I believe the stock Trilogy kit pulley is 3.4. Get the minor work done and stick #122 on and you can spend the next 100K kicking yourself in the ass for waiting a 100K to install it!. Dennis:D
bigslim
02-12-2006, 06:22 PM
The stock kit does indeed come with a 3.4 pulley.
Bigdogjim
02-12-2006, 07:43 PM
And yes I maintained it very well,
Well if it were my car it would have oil changed every 3,000. 6,000 on full synthetic.(Mobil One etc...)
Coolant flush every 45,000 miles.
Trans.Service every 30,000 by a machine that flushes (not power,just exchange fluid) filter every other flush.
Fuel filter every 15,000 miles.
New plugs at 75,000 miles.
Rotate tires every 6,000 miles (side to side)
Relplace brake fluid every year, bleed system.
No flame, just my two cents. (works for at least 400,000 miles):)
That's the major items. Some may say it's overkill or a waste of money.
RF Overlord
02-13-2006, 05:19 AM
You know, I thought the stock pulley was 3.4", but then I second-guessed and wrote 3.2"...thanks for the correction, guys... :)
I have a 4.10 gear ready to be installed so the rear will be ready to go.
Putting 4.10s in should actually help your tranny if it keeps cool enough. The 4.10's put a lot less stress on a tranny trying to turn 28.5" wheels than 3.55's doing the same.
Motorhead350
02-13-2006, 12:24 PM
Sounds like I'm good to go and it wasn't my chocie to wait till 100,000 miles. If it was up to me it would have been after the engine is done braking in. :P Sounds like the fuel filter is the only thing that needs replacing as far as the stock stuff goes.
Motorhead350
02-13-2006, 12:25 PM
One more thing, would that different size pully would be a bad idea for my car?
Motorhead350
02-13-2006, 09:10 PM
well anyone have anything to say? :confused:
STLR FN
02-13-2006, 10:18 PM
I'd get the blower kit, but pass on the smaller pulley (and more boost) until after an engine rebuild. Not that you can't do it, it just might make a tired motor last longer running the base 9 psi and not higher. If the engines been cared for, the base blower kit would be okay. Just understand that common sense dictates that older motors may not tolerate higher power levels as well.
^^^^^^Here's some of your answer here.^^^^^^
MENINBLK
02-13-2006, 10:50 PM
You guys don't think that at 100,000 miles, a Tranny Rebuild should be in order prior to any Blower install ???
RF Overlord
02-14-2006, 07:33 AM
I agree with the quote from MikesMerc above^^^
I also agree that MIB has a good point...the transmission might last just fine behind an N/A motor, but adding that much power through it now may be the beginning of the end...it's not as simple as "just bolt it on and go". How reliable the car will be will depend a great deal on your driving habits and maintenance skills.
Motorhead350
02-14-2006, 11:58 AM
Well like I said the car was well maintained and the tranny has been problem free except a few time in which the overdrive didn't work and just a quick shift from neutral to drive fixed the problem.
RF Overlord
02-14-2006, 12:26 PM
Well like I said the car was well maintainedThis is from your post #14 above:
it should probably have some more fluids changed. The only ones that have been changed besides the motor oil were the rear axel fluid about 20,000 miles ago and the tranny fluid around the same time. It's never had it's fuel filter changedNot changing the transmission fluid for 80,000 miles and never changing the fuel filter do not sound like "well-maintained" to me...my comment about your driving habits and maintenance skills was actually directed more towards after the blower is installed. Installing one of the smaller pulleys and putting that much extra stress on a transmission that's only had one fluid change in 100,000 miles along with 70 runs down the quarter-mile may not be ideal.
The short story is that there's no overriding reason why you shouldn't install a Trilogy, it's just that at your car's mileage you should be prepared to have something break.
Motorhead350
02-14-2006, 12:45 PM
Ok thanks I'll be kicking myself in the head for not doing this at 36,000 miles when the original warranty was gone!
Just put the blower on, you only live once.
MM03MOK
02-14-2006, 01:23 PM
Just put the blower on, you only live once.^^^ What Zack said! ^^^
Rider90
02-14-2006, 01:35 PM
Just put the blower on, you only live once.
My thoughts exactly.
Motorhead350
02-14-2006, 06:15 PM
Same here :cool:
BillyGman
02-15-2006, 03:33 AM
Sorry, but I have to go against the grain here...... while it's true that some Marauder owners might end up getting 200,000 miles out of their engines, the fact is, if you're heavy with your right foot on the go pedal, then you cannot count on that kind of mileage from your engine.
So in light of that, I think that if you have 100K on your engine already, then you should first put a few thousand into a rebuild before you go spending $6K on any S/Cer kit (be that a Trilogy kit or otherwise). I can't see any point in S/Cing an engine with more than 50,000 miles on it. And if you have 100,000 miles on it already, then you can bet that it's going to be burning a lot of oil once you start pushing 9 LBS of boost pressure through it via a S/Cer. The title you chose for this thread requested honesty, so there ya go. Take it or leave it.
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