Superchargers...old topic, but gotta know

[usafsniper]

Ok guys...opening the can of worms...but I'm gonna dive into the supercharger world when I get back from Korea.:banana2:

Unless someone can convince me otherwise, I'm getting a Procharger, after reading all the posts I can find and information on the vendor websites. I don't want to create a "supercharger war" here, just get some honest opinions from those who have the big three, trilogy/vortec/procharger, to get some genuine feedback.

I gotta admit, I like the clean look of the trilogy best which seems to keep the engine compartment workable, but prefer the bolt on process and apparent proven performance of the procharger.

How easy is a self install of the procharger system? Can I do it with common tools and basic engine mechanical knowledge? What are the critical re-programing needs if any with the system?

Thanks for any and all feedback. I got 10 months left here to save up the money.

[O's Fan Rich]

Marauderjack is one guy who done did it himself. PM him, he'll be happy to blow his own horn!!!:lol:

[MikesMerc]

he'll be happy to blow his own horn!!!

If he can do that I bet he never leaves the house:D


Sorry, I just had to say that.

[Marauderman]

I've got the Vortec and would love to run against Marauderjack for the fun of it--...and thats it-all fun--all three are great--its to ones own choosing----each can provide and produce whatever your pocketbook can handle-----period--right Mac......anyway.......MJ is probably the best person to contact--like said--Thru a PM----we all love our own S/C'd ones our own way for our own reasons--there is really none better that all three in my book..........

[LCSO34]

I think that any one of the big three will suit your fancy. While all three have different attributes, pros, cons, etc... they have one thing in common, service and help after the sale. I don't have a s/c, yet, but i have heard nothing but good things said about any of the big three's help with anything after you have bought their product. What it boils down to, is we have a unique car, that three company's have stuck their neck out for a low volume product and they did it because they love the car, not just the bottom line. P.S. I was at Little Rock AFB, Dec and Jan, there was no kidding around thirty mustangs on base, and only one (mine) Marauder. I had to beat Airmen off the car everytime I went to the chow hall. Good Luck on your remote.
Load Clear:D

[usafsniper]

quote: I had to beat Airmen off the car everytime I went to the chow hall.

I know what you mean! Happens to me almost everyday when I'm back home. And I agree completely with your opinion of low volume, outstanding service vendors supporting our cars. That's why I stressed the "no wars". I've only done business with Dennis Reinhart to date, and it's was well above and beyond service. I've read similar comments about all others as well. I would probably not be able to tell the difference between one or the other given the same conditions, but as with any and all things, would like to get the best "bang" for my buck.

[jimlam56]

There is also a turbocharger available.

[HwyCruiser]

Yup, Jack would be the best guy to talk to on the self-install.

I believe his car has stock gears, converter and exhaust, so he'd also be the best source of feedback on the performance of just the kit on an otherwise unmodified Marauder.

[BillyGman]

I'm not going to try to talk you out of any S/Cer, because what I've noticed, is that most people tend to lean either towards one type or the other, and even if I think that they might be making the wrong choice for what they want to do, their mind is pretty much already made-up. And for those that this isn't the case, they have sent me a PM to ask about the one I have.

Since you've asked for opinions, I'll tell you that I haven't anything bad to say at all about the Trilogy S/Cer I've purchased. And believe me, as outspoken as I am, if I did have something negative to say about it, then I would!! I've never once had the dreaded "buyer's remorse" after purchasing the Trilogy kit, and I now have tached up 31,000 S/Ced miles on my Marauder since I've installed the Trilogy kit 2 years ago (42,000 miles total on the car).

Perhaps a roots S/Cer installation is more involved than any centrifugal one is (I assume), but I can tell you from my own experience that if you're used to turning wrenches in your own garage at home, and you know how to read English, then you will not have any major problems at all installing the Trilogy S/Cer kit on your Marauder. The Trilogy installation manual is simply that good. I do not exaggerate at all by telling you that. So I haven't any doubt in my mind that a centrifugal S/Cer kit with a lesser installation manual then that of the Trilogy kit would not be any easier to install on youyr car, and would even be more difficult.

If you haven't yet looked at it, and your decision on your choice isn't set, then I strongly suggest that you call Trilogy, and request that Jerry Barnes e-mails you a PDF file of the installation manual. When you look at it(just as I did before making my choice), you'll see exactly what I'm talking about, and you'll realize for yourself that I am in no way exaggerating about it. So the ease or difficulty of the installation process is NOT an issue at all, and shouldn't be a factor in your S/cer choice. Atleast NOT when it comes to the Trilogy kit. And I speak from my own personal experience on that. It's the first and only S/cer kit I've ever installed myself, and I didn't have any problems over and above the degree you might have while performing simple automotive mantainence tasks like starter changes, or alternator changes and the like. It was a little time consuming, but the degree of difficulty was very low, and there wasn't any highly technical knowledge required at all. And it only required common tools that most backyard shade-tree mechanics have.I wouldn't tell you that it was as easy as a tune-up is, but that isn't due to the degree of difficulty being any greater, but rtather it's due to the fact that it will take considerably longer than a tune-up does, and therefore will require more perserverence and patience than any tune-up does.

When I began growing a little weary during the process, I just took a minute to look at that sweet looking S/Cer sitting there in the box, and knowing how much faster my Marauder would be once the job was finished, and it supplied me with with more than enough motivation than I needed. The Trilogy installation manual is by far the best automotive parts installation manual that you're ever going to see. I kid you not.

If you're skeptical about that, then don't take my word for it. Get a look at it. All you need to do is download a free version of " Adobe Acrobat reader" of off the net, and have Jerry send you a PDF file of it. Below are two pics taken right from my copy of the Trilogy manual, and these types of instructional pics are typical for this manual, and are all through it. Anyways, good luck with whatever your decision turns out to be.

[tmac1337]

I'm not going to try to talk you out of any S/Cer



Here we go again......:sleepy:

[tmac1337]

Unless someone can convince me otherwise

Read all the old posts, make up your own mind.

[HwyCruiser]

Come on up to Kansas City and the kit will jump out of the box and onto to your car for $500, professional installed by an ASE certified mechanic. Beer provided.

[tmac1337]

I'm not going to try to talk you out of any S/Cer........and even if I think that they might be making the wrong choice for what they want to do, their mind is pretty much already made-up........ sent me a PM to ask about the one I have........
if I did have something negative to say about it, then I would!!;)........... I've never once had the dreaded "buyer's remorse"....... So I haven't any doubt in my mind that a centrifugal S/Cer kit with a lesser installation manual then that of the ****** kit would not be any easier to install on youyr car, and would even be more difficult.........I strongly suggest that you call Trilogy, and request that Jerry Barnes e-mails you a PDF file of the installation manual. When you look at it(just as I did before making my choice), you'll see exactly what I'm talking about, and you'll realize for yourself that I am in no way exaggerating about it. So the ease or difficulty of the installation process is NOT an issue at all, and shouldn't be a factor in your S/cer choice. Atleast NOT when it comes to the Trilogy kit.
........The ******* installation manual is by far the best automotive parts installation manual that you're ever going to see. I kid you not...........If you're skeptical about that, then don't take my word for it :eek: Below are two pics taken right from my copy of the Trilogy manual, and these types of instructional pics are typical for this manual, and are all through it. Anyways, good luck with whatever your decision turns out to be.

I'm just kidding. I fully agree with everything said here.

[BillyGman]

Here we go again......:sleepy:If you're all that enthusiastic about your S/Cer choice, then why don't you answer the man and supply him with your thoughts and details about the one you've chosen??? I for one welcome you to do that. No arguments from me. Feel free to do that. It's as simple as that. This doesn't need to be anything more than that as long as nobody points out the weaknesses of a S/Cer that they don't have themselves. And I haven't done that. Instead, I chose to focus on the one that I myself have purchased (good or bad). And it happens to be good according to my experience so far with it. In fact, the only bit of comparisant that I eluded to was the installation manuals, and i wasn't even directing any of my comments about any one centrifugal manufacture or distributor other than the Trilogy company.

[tmac1337]

If you're all that enthusiastic about your S/Cer choice, then why don't you answer the man and supply him with your thoughts and details about the one you've chosen??? I for one welcome you to do that. No arguments from me. Feel free to do that. It's as simple as that. This doesn't need to be anything more than that as long as nobody points out the weaknesses of a S/Cer that they don't have themselves. And I haven't done that. Instead, I chose to focus on the one that I myself have purchased (good or bad). And it happens to be good according to my experience so far with it.

Sorry Billy, this seems like an intelligent adult in the military capable of making his own decisions no matter which blower he chooses. Sorry again that I don't want to play any reindeer games!

[BillyGman]

" I don't want to create a "supercharger war" here, just get some honest opinions from those who have the big three, trilogy/vortec/procharger, to get some genuine feedback.



TMAC, this^ above is what the man asked. And I answered his question by giving him my opinion based on my experience with the use as well as the INSTALLATION of the S/Cer I chose. That's all there is to it. Nothing more. Why are you trying to make this into something else???? Perhaps you are having difficulty relating to my enthusiasm and detail about the installation manual itself IF you haven't performed your own S/cer installation on your Marauder like I have. if you haven't, then that's probably why you cannot relate to what I was saying. And if that is the case, then allow me to suggest that you open your mind a little bit. I say that without any sarcasm intended. You are a fellow Marauder owner, and you and I don't have to argue about this.

[sweetair]

Ok guys...opening the can of worms...but I'm gonna dive into the supercharger world when I get back from Korea.:banana2:

Unless someone can convince me otherwise, I'm getting a Procharger, after reading all the posts I can find and information on the vendor websites. I don't want to create a "supercharger war" here, just get some honest opinions from those who have the big three, trilogy/vortec/procharger, to get some genuine feedback.

I gotta admit, I like the clean look of the trilogy best which seems to keep the engine compartment workable, but prefer the bolt on process and apparent proven performance of the procharger.

How easy is a self install of the procharger system? Can I do it with common tools and basic engine mechanical knowledge? What are the critical re-programing needs if any with the system?

Thanks for any and all feedback. I got 10 months left here to save up the money.I'm not sure what you mean exactly when you say,"but prefer the bolt on process and apparent proven performance of the procharger." Perhaps the procharger is less time to do, but I doubt is it easier. The Trilogy took myself and my bro-in-law 23 hrs over a Sat and Sun to do. I then immediately drove it back to MD from NY that day. Zero issues that day and any day since. The performance is pretty proven w/Trilogy as well. Is one BETTER, is all how YOU feel about it. I love my kit and that is all I can say. Go with your gut, and enjoy the ride. You won't be disappointed either way. Good luck, and I hope the next few months go quickly for you..........:beer:

[Rider90]

Some computer geek made a Trilogy video a week or two ago, do a search and you'll find it or check out the Motor City Marauder's website.

Before viewing, take $20 cash out of your wallet, give the wallet AND credit cards to a very trusted friend and tell him under no circumstances to give the wallet back within 24 hours.

Enjoy!

[sweetair]

Some computer geek made a Trilogy video a week or two ago, do a search and you'll find it or check out the Motor City Marauder's website.

Before viewing, take $20 cash out of your wallet, give the wallet AND credit cards to a very trusted friend and tell him under no circumstances to give the wallet back within 24 hours.

Enjoy!That is way too funny^^^^. I can't stop laughing

[sailsmen]

I have a Vortec, put on w/ 43K miles and 130+ runs down the 1,320'

I have put 20K on the S/C and 35 runs down the 1,320'.

She does not burn a drop of oil and runs strong.

[MI2QWK4U]

That is way too funny^^^^. I can't stop laughing



Funny, but true!

[MI2QWK4U]

Since you asked, I will speak up on my choice. I had the chance to watch the Trilogy kit being developed 3 years ago. I saw and drove the prototype Trilogy, now known as Trilogy #1, before anyone else on this forum even heard of trilogy. The engineering and development of this kit was flawless. My Kit was the SECOND one installed, its been installed for going on 3 years. Like Mike (Mikesmerc), I jumped right to the most radical pully available for the Eaton, and have been pushing my Marauder harder and longer than any other Trilogy owner here. Look at this post, Mike is building a stronger block for more power, but look at his old one, looks brand new! http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25153 (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25153). My motor is still BONE STOCK, and pushing well over 512 RWHP with a minimum of other mods. The Trilogy has performed better than I had hoped for. No problems, no concerns. As it sits on the car is the way it was installed years ago. I dont know of any Trilogy Marauders that have experienced engine failure that wasnt due to extreme or improper tuning. I dont know if the others can claim that or not. Even a Trilogy setup can be butchered by a Tuner that doesnt know what he/she is doing. You will find more Trilogy kits are on the road as well, 125 kits last I spoke with Jerry. If you cant get the best, you will still enjoy having another kit on your Marauder. A blower is exactly what the Marauder needs. Good luck in your choice!

[HwyCruiser]

When you look at the top dogs on the timeslip database, just remember that they are all quite a bit removed from the "stock" kits. Drag radials, custom race gas tunes, NOS, double-digit boost levels, high stall torque converters, wild gears, etc., etc., is all thrown in with various mixtures and what shakes out shakes out.

Just something to keep in mind. :twocents:

[Rider90]

When you look at the top dogs on the timeslip database, just remember that they are all quite a bit removed from the "stock" kits. Drag radials, custom race gas tunes, NOS, double-digit boost levels, high stall torque converters, wild gears, etc., etc., is all thrown in with various mixtures and what shakes out shakes out.

Just something to keep in mind. :twocents:
Well Said. Whatever you pick, enjoy it, I'm sure you'll love the new found power.

[MI2QWK4U]

When you look at the top dogs on the timeslip database, just remember that they are all quite a bit removed from the "stock" kits. Drag radials, custom race gas tunes, NOS, double-digit boost levels, high stall torque converters, wild gears, etc., etc., is all thrown in with various mixtures and what shakes out shakes out.

Just something to keep in mind. :twocents:

This is really very good advice.
While some are a lot more, some arent. Mine only has a smaller pulley and custom tune. I do use race gas at times, but for the street im still on 93 octane still making 500 RWHP. No tall gears, no torque converter, no NOS. I dont consider Drag Radials to be a consideration, Ill bet there are more N/A Marauders on Widened rims and Nittos than supercharged cars.

I will say it again so there isnt any misunderstanding. The only mods beyond the Supercharger assist with air and fuel delivery in a support role to the blower. Headers, x pipe, mufflers and a mass air meter upgrade help with the air, and the focus fuel pump helps with the fuel. Thats it.

You can get buy easily without ANY of these mods with the Trilogy setup.

[maraudernkc]

If you cant get the best, you will still enjoy having another kit on your Marauder.!


Dave, as a moderator should you not be impartial about voicing your opnion that could sway someones purchase on a supercharger? I am asuming you still are a moderator.

[MI2QWK4U]

Dave, as a moderator should you not be impartial about voicing your opnion that could sway someones purchase on a supercharger?

As a member of this forum I am entitled to my opinion about my supercharger experience on my own Marauder. I dont think this thread was started to get responses from vendors selling their kits, rather honest feedback from actual owners. My roll as a moderator is to make sure the bosses rules are observed. In my situation, I feel I made the best choice for my Marauder.

[HwyCruiser]

Dave, there's no doubt your Marauder is a heart-breaker.

Your setup just goes to show that any kit can be improved upon. I'd also add chillers, built motors, too many bolt-ons to list to my etc., etc., but in the end we are indeed fortunate that we have several more choices to build some kick-ass performance sedans, and tuners that know how to put the power potential to the ground.

[MI2QWK4U]

Dave, there's no doubt your Marauder is a heart-breaker.

Your setup just goes to show that any kit can be improved upon. I'd also add chillers, built motors, too many bolt-ons to list to my etc., etc., but in the end we are indeed fortunate that we have several more choices to build some kick-ass performance sedans, and tuners that know how to put the power potential to the ground.


Dude, Your Marauder is something to be reconed with as well! Look at your stats in your signature, very impressive, dont care who you are! Thats the point, so many choices, so many accessories for these supercharger choices. Remember, I am far from the most radical Trilogy car out there. I am still running my same old stuff, nothing new. It just feels right to me in the car. It will be 3 years soon with the Trilogy onboard, I cant imagine this car without it, or with anything else in its place, hard to explain!

[usafsniper]

I want to thank everyone for the inputs...I was looking for just that...how individual owners felt about their systems, and how it has affected their cars over time. I have looked at old posts...but opinions change with time, and some owners have had their kits for a while now. Long enough for initial enthusiasm with the power to be gone and real time benefits and cost to have become apparent. Anything that costs over 5K is worth investigating well, at least for me anyway.

[Marauderjack]

Robert,

Sorry but I just found your thread!!

You will need a few things I didn't have for a self install with reasonable install time!!:beer:

The "Gizmo" that removes Ford fuel lines is good to have but not absolutely necessary and by all means get or borrow a stud removal tool for taking the short fuel tank studs out......Don't even try to re-install the tank with to old studs.......DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW!!:argue:

Removal of the fuel tank is a major PITA but I did it by myself and could do it faster now since I now know where electrical plugs are and how to remove fuel lines!! Steep learning curve here!!:bows:

The rest of the installation is easy and the tune (Be Sure To Get The Tuner) is easy if your EEC has not been screwed with like mine was!!:argue: :censor: I unfortunately had some "Tuner Boogers" in mine from a previous tuning FIASCO and Dave at Injected Racing had to build my tune a step at the time....Works GREAT but it took us a few days to get there!! THANKS DAVE!!!:beer:
The power any of these kits makes is AMAZING in such a big car....50 HP + or - isn't gonna make any difference on the "Smile-O-Meter"....Believe me here!!:banana:

Greg is wanting me to go to the track to see how a "Bone Stock" setup runs with the basic ProCharger kit......Time has not permitted it yet but I will get there someday...I hope!!??;)

If you are anywhere close to Kansas City get Mike and Greg to install it for ya.....6 hours and $500.00 is WELL WORTH IT!!!:eek:

Good Luck and hurry back!!

Marauderjack:burnout:

PS: PM me if you need any more details.....I can provide photos as well.

[tmac1337]

Anything that costs over 5K is worth investigating well, at least for me anyway.

Does this include women?

[txmarauder]

I have the Trilogy, did alot of research when i was considering one of the s/cers. Went with the trilogy because of the factory look. But now i am bored with it and to make it any faster will decrease reliability and value. This is the first new car i modified and i will never do it again. Something to consider if you are installing mods on a car within warranty you will lose your warranty and if you use the car for long trips as i do and you modify it enough you WILL lose reliabilty. But if money is no object or you dont care about factory warranty or reliability then go for it. This is just my opinion i have more important things to do with my money and it was just a mistake i made for my situation. Something to think about.

[bigslim]

I have the Trilogy, did alot of research when i was considering one of the s/cers. Went with the trilogy because of the factory look. But now i am bored with it and to make it any faster will decrease reliability and value. This is the first new car i modified and i will never do it again. Something to consider if you are installing mods on a car within warranty you will lose your warranty and if you use the car for long trips as i do and you modify it enough you WILL lose reliabilty. But if money is no object or you dont care about factory warranty or reliability then go for it. This is just my opinion i have more important things to do with my money and it was just a mistake i made for my situation. Something to think about.
I don't understand what you mean about reliablity? I know quite a few of us that have Trilogy blowers and we drive as if they didn't. We drive them daily and us them for travel. I would say that my car is just as reliable as a stock MM. I have seen stock MMs have more trouble than any supercharged car here. True you will lose warranty. But I think he already knows this.

[O's Fan Rich]

I have the Trilogy, did alot of research when i was considering one of the s/cers. Went with the trilogy because of the factory look. But now i am bored with it and to make it any faster will decrease reliability and value. This is the first new car i modified and i will never do it again. Something to consider if you are installing mods on a car within warranty you will lose your warranty and if you use the car for long trips as i do and you modify it enough you WILL lose reliabilty. But if money is no object or you dont care about factory warranty or reliability then go for it. This is just my opinion i have more important things to do with my money and it was just a mistake i made for my situation. Something to think about.

Now THATS someones honest opinion based on HIS experience and situation!
It takes alot to admit he regrets spending his hardearned cash, and a good chunk at that, and is now bored with it.
Food for thought, thank you.

BTW, I do not care about the warranty any more....:D :D And I'm getting ready to throw my money at my boredom:banana2: :banana2:

[Bluerauder]

I don't understand what you mean about reliablity?
IMHO Slim ... I do not think this was stated as a negative on anything in particular; but more related to the mathematics of reliability. If the Marauder is .99 reliable and the S/C is also .99, then the combination is .99 X .99 = .98 . This occurs in each and every case except where the systems are perfect at 1.0. Consider also .999 X .999 = .998 Combining systems will always result in a lower reliability even if it is only in the fractions of a percent.

[SergntMac]

Better late than never?

I put this together a while back as an aid to folks seeking 411. I did what I could to keep it neutral and bias free. It's a sticky in the Garage forum, hope it helps you in some way.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22860

Good luck in your search and choice.

[txmarauder]

I don't understand what you mean about reliablity? I know quite a few of us that have Trilogy blowers and we drive as if they didn't. We drive them daily and us them for travel. I would say that my car is just as reliable as a stock MM. I have seen stock MMs have more trouble than any supercharged car here. True you will lose warranty. But I think he already knows this.

Its simple, If you want to go faster than stock you have to increase performance which increases hp which puts more stress on the factory components designed to be used for a lower hp level. To say you have no problems now means nothing, you car is only 2 years old. Keep throwing money at it for more hp and let me know how it runs 10 years from now. Vehicles are designed to be pretty reliable for about 7 years then things will start to need to be replaced because of age or use. Nothing is designed to be abused, and i mean abused as in increasing horsepower levels by 100% above what it was designed for and expected to last as long as a unmodded car. When you increase hp levels to a certian point you will break things which makes them less reliable, if you dont know this then you will in time and experience. I am lucky enough now to know that now better than later. This has nothing to do with the trilogy it pertains to all performance mods. Everybody has a hobby that they spend money on I have learned after my mod that it is better to mod something that is much older and in needing of repair rather than to mod something that is new that i paid to have new parts just to take those new parts off to replace with other parts. I am not saying it is wrong to do, just that it is not for me and i wish i would have had that info when i made my decision. JMHO
Greg

[Tallboy]

Its simple, If you want to go faster than stock you have to increase performance which increases hp which puts more stress on the factory components designed to be used for a lower hp level. To say you have no problems now means nothing, you car is only 2 years old. Keep throwing money at it for more hp and let me know how it runs 10 years from now. Vehicles are designed to be pretty reliable for about 7 years then things will start to need to be replaced because of age or use. Nothing is designed to be abused, and i mean abused as in increasing horsepower levels by 100% above what it was designed for and expected to last as long as a unmodded car. When you increase hp levels to a certian point you will break things which makes them less reliable, if you dont know this then you will in time and experience. I am lucky enough now to know that now better than later. This has nothing to do with the trilogy it pertains to all performance mods. Everybody has a hobby that they spend money on I have learned after my mod that it is better to mod something that is much older and in needing of repair rather than to mod something that is new that i paid to have new parts just to take those new parts off to replace with other parts. I am not saying it is wrong to do, just that it is not for me and i wish i would have had that info when i made my decision. JMHO
Greg

Your honesty is refreshing, my friend. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and I hope we can talk again soon.:)

[txmarauder]

Hey, whats up Chuck. It is great what you and carfixer do for people needing s/c installs. Keep it up. Hopefully one day we can meet. Maybe at the Woodward cruise next time. Take care.
Greg

[tmac1337]

Its simple, If you want to go faster than stock you have to increase performance which increases hp which puts more stress on the factory components designed to be used for a lower hp level. To say you have no problems now means nothing, you car is only 2 years old. Keep throwing money at it for more hp and let me know how it runs 10 years from now. Vehicles are designed to be pretty reliable for about 7 years then things will start to need to be replaced because of age or use. Nothing is designed to be abused, and i mean abused as in increasing horsepower levels by 100% above what it was designed for and expected to last as long as a unmodded car. When you increase hp levels to a certian point you will break things which makes them less reliable, if you dont know this then you will in time and experience. I am lucky enough now to know that now better than later. This has nothing to do with the trilogy it pertains to all performance mods. Everybody has a hobby that they spend money on I have learned after my mod that it is better to mod something that is much older and in needing of repair rather than to mod something that is new that i paid to have new parts just to take those new parts off to replace with other parts. I am not saying it is wrong to do, just that it is not for me and i wish i would have had that info when i made my decision. JMHO
Greg

You are very right and very honest in your remarks. Most people get bored with their cars within 3-4 years. Money spent replacing new parts out for more new parts for a car that was not built to handle such magnified HP and TQ is also very relevent. To do this requires ownership of the car as a hobby. And a lot of $$$$ we all will never get back goes into it as well. It will be interesting to see down the road how much a dealer will desire a fully blown marauder with other mods......he'll see trouble for the next buyer off his lot he will have to deal with. Private buyers will not want to give you the cash for all the replaced parts, the nature of buying and selling.

All the blown cars are still very new. Only a couple more years of use will tell how much money has to be sunk into them to keep them running good. And by that time we'll all be bored and wishing we had those extra few thousand dollars sitting around. I really like my car but if I had not heavily modded it I would have already traded it in for something else. The modded car becomes a money pit on the downside, although enjoyable, until each of us reaches the point of boredom we all will reach, then all the $$$$$ we can't recoup will sink in. There is a whole marketing engine at work in this internet website/performance stuff.

Anyone who buys any of the blower kits should seriously think about the point that has been made by txmarauder. If your not prepared to lose a considerable amount of money, get swept up in the S/C hype so others can cash out, keep the car for years..., are not into the modding hobby, then leave your car stock and trade it when the boredom sets in!

For those of use who don't mind wasting thousands of dollars.......cheers!

[Mike M]

I am extremely happy with my decision to supercharge my Marauder. Anyone here with a supercharger can tell you how much fun stop signs and stop lights have become. Also how cool is it when you are at highway speeds and have to pass some idiot that doesn't want you to pass him/her. The only thing I regret is waiting as long as I did.

Anyone here know what the altitude correction is for 2000ft? I was only able to make 1 run at Firebird raceway (wanted more then 1 to experiment with launch etc) but since it went 12.70 I am curious what it would equal to at sea level, got to be worth 2-3 tenths.

[MarauderTJA]

Since you asked, I will speak up on my choice. My Kit was the SECOND one installed, its been installed for going on 3 years.

Dave loves his Trilogy and I love my Procharger. My kit was also the second kit on a Marauder. Had it installed just about a year ago. It is my daily driver and I have put 10k on the car since the install and go to the track on a regular basis. Trilogy is the dominating kit for the Marauder and I have great respect for them, but my Procharger has also been outstanding for me and I take 3k trips with it 3 times a year. Take the time to research and drive all of the S/C'd cars. The choices are there and which ever way you decide to go, you will love your S/C Marauder.

Tom, Cape Coral, Florida

[BillyGman]

Went with the trilogy because of the factory look. But now i am bored with it and to make it any faster will decrease reliability and value. I agree that if you made it faster to the degree of getting well into the 11 second brackets, you might lose reliability, but as far as boredom goes, I'm still not "bored" with my S/Ced Marauder. It's by far the coolest as well as the fastest daily driver that I've ever had, and maybe the fastest one I ever will have. It runs consistent low12's in the quarter mile and will not be beaten on the street by any true daily driver around where I live.

And I haven't sacrificed reliability at all. It's as reliable and drivable as it ever was since the day I drove it out of the dealer lot. Do I want to go faster? Sure I do, and that's why I'm in the process of building a 70 chevelle that's going to cost me well over $40K when it's all over. But that isn't going to be a daily driver like my Marauder is. So you might say that you're "bored" with your S/Ced Marauder, but you were even more bored with it in it's factory stock condition, and that's why you were willing to pay $6K for an additional 140 HP from a S/Cer. So how did you lose??? You got what you paid for, right???This is the first new car i modified and i will never do it again. Something to consider if you are installing mods on a car within warranty you will lose your warranty and if you use the car for long trips as i do and you modify it enough you WILL lose reliability. How in the world did you lose reliability??? I've remained with the standard 9.5 PSI Trilogy pulley on my set-up, and I haven't lost any reliability nor drive-ability at all after putting 31,000 miles on the car since the S/Cer installation, and it runs on 93 octane pump gas only. I drive this thing every day to work in all weather conditions including snowstorms, and it does great. I've also been on some long trips that required up to 13 hours of interstate driving, and the car did fine. And I also have 4.56 gears in the rear as well as Kooks headers. I have no idea where you're coming from on this. You must have installed a 14 PSI pulley on your Trilogy S/Cer or something.

[BillyGman]

I am extremely happy with my decision to supercharge my Marauder. Anyone here with a supercharger can tell you how much fun stop signs and stop lights have become. Also how cool is it when you are at highway speeds and have to pass some idiot that doesn't want you to pass him/her. The only thing I regret is waiting as long as I did. Yep, I hear ya Mike, and I can fully relate to what you're saying. ;)

Anyone here know what the altitude correction is for 2000ft? I was only able to make 1 run at Firebird raceway (wanted more then 1 to experiment with launch etc) but since it went 12.70 I am curious what it would equal to at sea level, got to be worth 2-3 tenths. I'm not sure Mike, but it has to be 2-3 tenths atleast. With the modifications you've done to your Marauder including those drag radials, I'm sure you would be well into the mid 12's with that car at sea level.:banana2:

[MI2QWK4U]

Dave loves his Trilogy and I love my Procharger. My kit was also the second kit on a Marauder. Had it installed just about a year ago. It is my daily driver and I have put 10k on the car since the install and go to the track on a regular basis. Trilogy is the dominating kit for the Marauder and I have great respect for them, but my Procharger has also been outstanding for me and I take 3k trips with it 3 times a year. Take the time to research and drive all of the S/C'd cars. The choices are there and which ever way you decide to go, you will love your S/C Marauder.

Tom, Cape Coral, Florida

I cant get my posts to sound good like yours! That's really how I feel until I have to explain or defend myself about this crap.

[Breadfan]

How in the world did you lose reliability??? I've remained with the standard 9.5 PSI Trilogy pulley on my set-up, and I haven't lost any reliability nor drive-ability at all after putting 31,000 miles on the car since the S/Cer installation, and it runs on 93 octane pump gas only. I drive this thing every day to work in all weather conditions including snowstorms, and it does great. I've also been on some long trips that required up to 13 hours of interstate driving, and the car did fine. And I also have 4.56 gears in the rear as well as Kooks headers. I have no idea where you're coming from on this. You must have installed a 14 PSI pulley on your Trilogy S/Cer or something.

I wouldn't say you necessarily lose reliability so much as lose some "potential" for reliability.

He is correct - no matter how well it's designed you're strapping this to parts that are intended for less power.

This takes into consideration that many parts are over-engineered to begin with. That fact is how many cars can increase power to these levels and be just fine and in the long run be just as reliable.

At the same time, this overengineering is there to safegaurd against the statistical few - the parts that look right but hidden defects make them less able to handle the same load. So while one tranny might run fine on 450 crank hp, another one will have a weak input shaft and snap it at 390hp. Both may have run fine at the rated 302hp. The extra power however brought out a defect on the OEM part that would have remained not a problem at std. power levels.

I agree with Bluerauder to, do the math, reliability will drop. Doesn't mean your car will go less miles with a blower, but there will be a few here and there where pushing beyond OEM levels will bring out a deficiency that wouldn't have been found at stock power levels.

The chances may be slim, but they're there.

Any way you slice it, blowers are cool. There's plenty of info to do the research. It's plain to see you can make power out of these cars with the available options. No one can refute that. Do the research and learn how each blower works and how the SYSTEMS work. They each have pro's and con's about how they go about making that power.

Weigh that in with the design of the car and how you'd like to use the car, what you'd like to get out of it. Remeber, it's a system, and it should interact well with other systems on your car currently or that you plan to implement later. So, just bear that in mind as well, when you mod a car, you should plan it out start to finish before hand. It's OK to sway from it, but a commond plan or guideline should guide your future mods. ;)

[usafsniper]

Again guys, thanks for taking the time to tell me how you feel about your kits over time. I know bolting on a blower will "potentially" cause problems, as any power adder can do. I plan on keeping this car indefinitely, and have an extended warranty that will cover any items not affected directely by the S/C assembly as a point of breakage. I'm willing to take the risk beyond that. There's not many cars you can say is 1 of 417 built (Silver). I saw great cars come in and out of my family as a kid, and my dad kicks himself in the butt for not keeping them now, (66 Chevelle SS396/68 Impala SS427) to name a couple. I feel this way about the Marauder. A lot of design work went into the car, and I feel, for what it is, it's worth keeping...a luxury car with guts. My Mom has a Lincoln Continental, and commented on the great ride the Marauder has compared to her car. I didn't think I was going to get her out from behind the wheel! I'm pretty much a realist. This is the only big mod I plan. 3:55's are fine with me, and I don't plan on running the track as a hobby, only an occasional meet event fun. I just want the power to weight ratio to be a little more equal without sacrificing daily drivability. As I'm sure everyone here feels, the S/C should have been a factory addition to begin with. I appreciate the honest replies, and expected the negative with the positive.

[SergntMac]

I believe most of us realize (or, should realize by now) that "improving performance" also increases wear and tear. Here's my personal rule of thumb.

Any mod anywhere that produces increased performance of something now, reduces longevity in associated systems.

The base Marauder engine, tranny and rear end are durable beyond our expectations. A bone stock Marauder should live 15 years and 300K miles, with proper maintenence. My last Gran Marquis lived 15 years and without nearly that many miles.

However, modding it to deliver it's maximum performance now, automatically reduces how long it will continue to perform to that standard, and we tend to push the envelope because we (naturally) want it all now, and right now.

I am proud of my own personal experience with "life cycles", I've learned a lot.

The day I brought my experimental Kenny Brown Marauder S home from his shop in June of 2003, the entire rear end needed to be overhauled from blown gears. It was ugly, lot's of collateral damage. 16,500 miles of abuse in testing the first supercharged Marauder ever built, taught us all what would fail, perhaps when too. It cost me a few bucks, but I was pleased to share the knowledge, and help develop the repair to a "kit" level, where it's all not so frightening of a repair today. Just this afternoon, I spent 20 minutes on the phone with another friend/member here, giving him a list of part numbers that work on the first try.

In Sept. of '03, my OEM tranny gave up, and we all learned from that experience too. Ford engineers listened and learned too, upgrading the '04 Marauder tranny to the 4R75W spec with improved internals. I got a new tranny that is still going strong today, and Dennis Reinhart worked with Jerry Wroblewski and Art Carr in developing an upgrade kit that "cuts 'em off at the pass" before anyone else gets stuck 2K miles from home, without overdrive.

Things calmed down until Nov. of '04, when I realized this accelerated wear pattern would eventually work it's way forward to the engine bay, and I decided to overhaul my engine before it was too late.

I wasn't the first here to reinforce my engine, just another owner in a line. But today, we're all working with the same "formula" (i.e. list of parts and due cautions), which has made this upgrade another "no-brainer" formula.

At the end of the '05 season, my rear end was again showing signs of fatigue, and again I overhauled that with even stronger parts freshly available, such as an Auburn Pro diff, 31 spline Moser axles (thanks MartyO), FRP bearing kit, and so on. You don't have to do it this way, but it's nice to have the option.

BTW...IMHO, those of us in the "S/C" club eventually wind up rebuilding the whole car from a mechanical-performance POV, with improvements to cooling systems, fuel systems, braking systems and suspension systems...Seems that it goes with the territory...You wanna go faster, you gotta mod, and eventually...Mod again.

My point here is simply this easy. Stretch it, shrink it, bend it, shape it, build your Marauder into anything you want your Marauder to be, and you can have a lot of fun.

But, remember one thing and remember it always...All of it will have a shorter life span. Claiming "no problems" after 1, 2, 3, or, even 4 years (only I can say that) of use, abuse and pleasure, is rather short sighted about the future, and the reality of today, 'cause all of it will eventually break. It's just a matter of time.

IMHO, anyone with a super/turbocharger, or, nitrous on a regular basis, needs to plan ahead. You will wear out the rest of it, know that now.

No way in Hell any power adder will not cause premature failure of an associated system...Deal with it.

[txmarauder]

How in the world did you lose reliability??? I've remained with the standard 9.5 PSI Trilogy pulley on my set-up, and I haven't lost any reliability nor drive-ability at all after putting 31,000 miles on the car since the S/Cer installation, and it runs on 93 octane pump gas only. I drive this thing every day to work in all weather conditions including snowstorms, and it does great. I've also been on some long trips that required up to 13 hours of interstate driving, and the car did fine. And I also have 4.56 gears in the rear as well as Kooks headers. I have no idea where you're coming from on this. You must have installed a 14 PSI pulley on your Trilogy S/Cer or something.

You wont understand for a couple more years when your weaker parts give out, I hope they dont but they probably will. So let me get this straight you want to go faster so you are building a $40k plus chevelle? Why are you not putting that money into the MM? Is it because with all that extra power you will sacrifice reliability? Or is it because you are bored of the MM? Reading your response makes my point. If you want to go faster why not put the smaller pulley on? Run a nos 100 shot? Maybe the motor cant handle it. My point exactly. You are building a car with over 700hp and over that in torque why not build the MM with that much power but dont change the trans or rear end or axle shafts and beat on it like you do now and tell me you wont break something. Because you will and that is my point exactly. Why did you box in the chevelle frame? because it will not be reliable in the stock state! I am not discouraging anyone from purchasing mods just wanting them to think about the long run. I am still modding cars but just not the MM, it is not a good investment. I dont even like to race the MM for the fear of breaking something. It might not break but why risk it. The s/c for me for that car was just a bad investment. My GN is faster, better on gas, full sized and all the options available and i modded it as the stock parts went bad so i was not pulling off good parts to just let them sit around. To each his own, i hope you understand my point on reliability.
Greg

[BillyGman]

You wont understand for a couple more years when your weaker parts give out, I hope they dont but they probably will. So let me get this straight you want to go faster so you are building a $40k plus chevelle? Why are you not putting that money into the MM? Is it because with all that extra power you will sacrifice reliability? Or is it because you are bored of the MM? ........... I am still modding cars but just not the MM, it is not a good investment. ........hope you understand my point on reliability.
Greg

Greg, thanks for your reply my friend. You missed my point. I'm not putting anymore money into my Marauder to make it as fast as my Chevelle will be, simply because my Marauder remains to be my daily driver, whereas my Chevelle will not be. My Chevelle will be a street driven car yes, but the amount of gas it's going to eat will make it impossible for me to drive on a daily basis like I do my Marauder. So my decision to put some $$ into my Chevelle has nothing to do with reliability nor the lack thereof.

I understand your point to a certain extent, but I think you're really talking about longevity rather than reliability. Or maybe we can say that it's about reliability over the longhaul. You talked about a S/Ced marauder having a lack of reliability on long trips, but I've been on long trips with mine to other parts of the country, and as I explained, it was totally reliable, and w/out me having to fuss with it. I just put gas in it and drove like any other daily driver. So there isn't any 'reliability" issue with a properly engineered S/Cer kit. I don't know if I'll ever be able to get 100,000 miles out of my S/Ced Marauder. That would be nice, but I'm not counting on it. So as far as that goes, I agree with you. But that's about longevity, and as far as I'm concerned, cars are always poor investments wheather you modify them or not. They're for transportation primarily, and to also have a little fun if you choose. But real estate for instance is a much better "investment".

As far as my Marauder ever being as fast as my Chevelle will be, that just cannot happen unless I was to modify it so much that it couldn't even be streetable. The engine is just too small, and that's why it's much better for a butt kickin' daily driver. I'd have to use $6 per gallon race gas along with a ton of modifications to get my Marauder to turn out 800 HP at the crank like my Chevelle will. Whereas my Chevelle will churn out that kind of power on $3 per gallon pump gas. It's because it has more displacement, and an engine of that size will never fit in a Marauder, nor will it ever pass emissions either. But an old car like my Chevelle will not only fit such an engine, but it will also be exempt from emissions. So your comparison of the two cars isn't a valid one.

[tmac1337]

I don't know jack about the validity of comparing two cars, but I have compared my wallet pre and post S/Cing with all the costs involved and comparatively speaking I am noticing their is a whole lot less ********g money in there!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I wonder if I'll get it back someday:alone: At least I knew before it was a bad investment, and besides, all the sparring and bickering time these past 3 years has been priceless!!!!!!;)

To play, you got to pay. N/A guys....hold on to your piggy bank with both hands.

[txmarauder]

Billy, I love you brother. But you are sniffing toooo much race gas. I NEVER said a s/c MM was not reliable on long trips (refer to post 33) I said to mod it further to make it faster would make it not as reliable. Reliability whether long or short term is still reliability. Remember the post of the trilogy blower front housing leaking oil, what if the leak was bad enough on a long 3000 mile trip to lock the unit up. Or the post from the modified wiring because of the trilogy that was smoking. I was not comparing your chevelle to the MM i was comparing the hp levels that you want and used the chevelle when refering to that. But on the same note you did box your frame rails because you could not RELY on it in its stock state to be strong enough. You are a hp geek which is a good thing, i wish i had the funds to do what you have done. But i dont so i have to do what MY situation will allow and i was just informing him of that to make him think if the decision to modify is right for him. If he can afford to do it then all the power to him, if he was looking to buy a trilogy i would offer to sell mine and even install it for him. I think we just have a difference of opinion on what reliability is which is a good thing it keeps us open minded. Hope to see that chevelle running soon. :banana2:

[BillyGman]

Billy, I love you brother. But you are sniffing toooo much race gas. LOL .... That's a classic. I LUV that...... Hope to see that chevelle running soon. :banana2: Yeah, I guess we just have a slightly different viewpoint on S/Cing a daily driver. You're the first Trilogy customer I've ever heard about who actually regrets S/Cing his Marauder. I've never heard of that before. As a fellow Marauder owner, I'm sorry to hear that you regret your hotrodding experience with your Marauder.

Anyway, yes, I do hope to speak of how the Chevelle is running soon. Another couple 2-3 months probably (depending on how long this strike at work lasts for, and how much overtime I can get when I go back.:mad: )......

[HwyCruiser]

Not directed to anyone in particular, but there is no doubt you must have a tolerance for risk when you start modding. I'm a strong believer in "you break it you buy it", so warranty issues aside, no one forces you to modify your vehicle so any potential consequences are all on you. But the reward, personal thrill, can be pretty darn fun and highly addictive.

Just make sure you can swing the bill and then be able to pay the piper if he decides on hitting you up for a repair. No supplier, no matter how respected, is going to warranty anything that didn't come in their box - and even then only for a relatively short duration and the R&R is probably on you. The quote "there's no crying in baseball" applies here too. I'm just hoping my AAA is good when the time comes.

[tmac1337]

Yeah, I guess we just have a slightly different viewpoint on S/Cing a daily driver. You're the first Trilogy customer I've ever heard about who actually regrets S/Cing his Marauder. I've never heard of that before.

HOLY GONADS! It sounds like subsurfacing subliminal subcontiousness genuflection bowel rising.......someone call a doctor!

[tmac1337]

After reading this thread, I'm glad I have a Procharger because I can remove it in a couple hours, put back on the stock parts in my garage, and sell the sucker on ebay to the highest bidder.

[BillyGman]

HOLY GONADS! It sounds like subsurfacing subliminal subcontiousness genuflection bowel rising.......someone call a doctor! :D Not fer nuthin' but just outta curiousity, can I ask you what planet you born on???

[bigslim]

After reading this thread, I'm glad I have a Procharger because I can remove it in a couple hours, put back on the stock parts in my garage, and sell the sucker on ebay to the highest bidder.
Believe it or not, the Trilogy cars can be put back to stock also. ;)

[tmac1337]

:D Not fer nuthin' but just outta curiousity, can I ask you what planet you born on???

Most likely Ur-anus

[tmac1337]

Believe it or not, the Trilogy cars can be put back to stock also. ;)


That's good to hear. How many hours would it take? How much would it cost? No flame. This is a relevent question based on some of the information thats been posted here. I could remove mine easily myself, leave in the fuel injectors, have my car freak neighbor help me with it in a couple hours.

[bigslim]

That's good to hear. How many hours would it take? How much would it cost? No flame. This is a relevent question based on some of the information thats been posted here. I could remove mine easily myself, leave in the fuel injectors, have my car freak neighbor help me with it in a couple hours.
I'm sure that it would take longer than a couple of hours but it wouldn't cost anything. You should ask Claude or Chuck this question.

[BillyGman]

Most likely Ur-anus ..some twisted fantasies U have there.....

[BillyGman]

I'm sure that it would take longer than a couple of hours but it wouldn't cost anything. You should ask Claude or Chuck this question.It isn't like an engine overhaul or anything. When you install it in the first place, the cylinder heads aren't coming off or anything like that. The pistons aren't exposed, nor are the cams or the timing chains either.

The biggest thing is the intake manifolds come off, but that's no big deal, and they can be put right back on again. In fact, since the intake gaskets are the reusable type on the Marauders, you don't even have to change them unless your Marauder has a real lot of miles on it. This really is no big deal to anyone who turns wrenches, pro or shade-tree amatuer.

[tmac1337]

I'm sure that it would take longer than a couple of hours but it wouldn't cost anything. You should ask Claude or Chuck this question.

You guys know a lot more about cars than I. If there is value in install, would not there be value in uninstall for those without wrench knowledge? I can only comment on the kit I own which would be very easy to remove, one of the reasons I purchased it.

[MarauderTJA]

I cant get my posts to sound good like yours! That's really how I feel until I have to explain or defend myself about this crap.

The problem I have seen with the supercharger threads in general is brand loyalty. I don't have a problem with that until it distorts being objective and open-minded with the intent of putting undue pressure on the person interested. I have seen it several times here in Florida. I offered several times to let people take a ride and drive my Procharger car for comparison differences. But, because of peer pressure (as well as extremely false negative statements made) they decline and buy the S/C that their friends either have or want them to have to stay in the "group." In the end they just deny themselves their own true objectivity in looking at other possible alternatives whether it be price, install time or plain differences in power capabilities.

[MarauderTJA]

:D Not fer nuthin' but just outta curiousity, can I ask you what planet you born on???

:laugh: That was good Billy...

[SergntMac]

The problem I have seen with the supercharger threads in general is brand loyalty. I don't have a problem with that until it distorts being objective and open-minded with the intent of putting undue pressure on the person interested. I have seen it several times here in Florida. I offered several times to let people take a ride and drive my Procharger car for comparison differences. But, because of peer pressure (as well as extremely false negative statements made) they decline and buy the S/C that their friends either have or want them to have to stay in the "group." In the end they just deny themselves their own true objectivity in looking at other possible alternatives whether it be price, install time or plain differences in power capabilities. So very true, thank you.

[TooManyFords]

I cant get my posts to sound good like yours! That's really how I feel until I have to explain or defend myself about this crap.

You just need to stop referring to threads on here as "crap"!

:lol:

Cheers!

John

[Bluerauder]

You just need to stop referring to threads on here as "crap"!
Crap and .... Clutter. :rolleyes:

[MikesMerc]

The problem I have seen with the supercharger threads in general is brand loyalty. I don't have a problem with that until it distorts being objective and open-minded with the intent of putting undue pressure on the person interested. I have seen it several times here in Florida. I offered several times to let people take a ride and drive my Procharger car for comparison differences. But, because of peer pressure (as well as extremely false negative statements made) they decline and buy the S/C that their friends either have or want them to have to stay in the "group." In the end they just deny themselves their own true objectivity in looking at other possible alternatives whether it be price, install time or plain differences in power capabilities.

I'm sure it might have happened once our twice that "peer pressure" kept someone from road testing "another brand." That said, I seriously doubt anyone plunks down thousands of dollars on a particular SC brand due to peer pressure. Not only is that nonsense, but its an insult to many members of the board that have done their homework and are supercharged.

I'm not sure why, but there seems to be the impression that Marauder owners are all newbies to performance and, particularly, to supercharger applications. Although there is indeed a large population of folks who are new to these things here on mm.net, there is also a very significant hardcore group that knows their stuff. Being someone that has owned a good number of modified cars in the past (4 SC cars) I'd like to think I fall into the "more seasoned" group.

The more experienced group doesn't need any help deciding what to buy. Because they've been around superchargers, various performance mods, and the like for a while, they may or may not need to test drive anything to know what they want. Their experience is their best tool to decide. We should not shed a tear for these guys. Peer pressure isn't an issue with this group. They know what they want and they get it.

Now the less experienced folks are in a different boat. But I don't see peer pressure at work here. What I see happening is that some "less seasoned" folks are following the positive experiences and advice of the seasoned group. They see what the experienced guys say. They hear feedback from both the experienced and the less experienced folks that purchased a SC. They put both of those sources together with their own research and they make a decision.

To offer up the notion that one particular brand of SC is selling 10 times more than any other is due to peer pressure is silly. I hope that's not what's being insinuated here.

[txmarauder]

I'm sure that it would take longer than a couple of hours but it wouldn't cost anything. You should ask Claude or Chuck this question.

Actually it would cost some money if i remember right we had to modify one of our coolant hoses i think by cutting it up so that will need to be replaced. I would probably say 15 -18 hours to change it out doing it right.

[MikesMerc]

You just need to stop referring to threads on here as "crap"!


Why? What's with your constant sniping at Dave? He's just calling it as he sees it. And I agree. Not every thread on this board is a gem of wisdom. Beleive it or not, but every now and then, a thread does come along that is utter crap.

[TooManyFords]

Why? What's with your constant sniping at Dave? He's just calling it as he sees it. And I agree. Not every thread on this board is a gem of wisdom. Beleive it or not, but every now and then, a thread does come along that is utter crap.

I don't know.. maybe he's just the easiest target? :D C'mon, did you not see the LOL at the bottom?

You MCM'ers need to get out more!

john

[TooManyFords]

So very true, thank you.

What ^^ said!

[tmac1337]

Actually it would cost some money if i remember right we had to modify one of our coolant hoses i think by cutting it up so that will need to be replaced. I would probably say 15 -18 hours to change it out doing it right.

Thanks for being honest.

[tmac1337]

The problem I have seen with the supercharger threads in general is brand loyalty. I don't have a problem with that until it distorts being objective and open-minded with the intent of putting undue pressure on the person interested. I have seen it several times here in Florida. In the end they just deny themselves their own true objectivity in looking at other possible alternatives whether it be price, install time or plain differences in power capabilities.

Tom, there is still a lot of mis-representation going on in the face of people spending thousands of dollars. People should know the costs and re-couped few costs up front. It's all part of this car hobby we have. Can't afford to mod, don't...but know the true costs and up front.

This topic has been going round and round, why beat a dead horse.

Count down for thread lock..........3, 2, 1

[Dan]

So far this thread has been going on rather smoothly. That's just my opinion but remember that I have been around long enough to see some really hot battles.

So far, I have found this thread to be both interesting AND informative. I had no idea that any who put an S/Cer into a Marauder regretted it and now I know that one does. I didn't know that Sikorski was on strike and yet my wife works for her sister company. I didn't know that anyone was even thinking about Billy's "ur-anus" but I guess someone was.

So, you see. From a certain point of view there really isn't any crap on this thread now is there? :)

Best,

Dan

[tmac1337]

I had no idea that any who put an S/Cer into a Marauder regretted it and now I know that one does.

Dan, for a person to spend thousands of dollars, they would probably want to mentally justify the purchase, but then this thread would be going into "psychology" and getting even more informative for you.

[Logan]

That's enough of this one...