Marauder vs Cadillac DTS

[Presence]

I have about $20k to spend and it has come down to a decision between these two cars: a 2004 Marauder, or a 2002-2004 Cadillac DTS.

I know getting opinions on this forum is going to be just slighty biased :cool: but I need opinions from people on which one to get. I've posted a similar topic on a Cadillac forum.

Of course, it would be helpful if those who respond are familiar with the 2002-2004 era Cadillac Deville DTS. 300hp, amenities galore, Bose sound system, etc.

I've always been a Ford man, and currently drive a 1999 Lincoln Continental. I like the styling of the Marauder well enough, but worry that bottom line it may be a bit too barebones for my liking. My wife drives a 2003 Lincoln Aviator, so I am well aware of the power of the engine, though. ;)

[BAD MERC]

Look up the phone number for "Master Tech" in Ft. Myers, Fl. on Metro Pkwy and ask them how they feel about the Northstar FWD driveline. From what I see daily (they're right next door to where I work) practically every engine or tranny snafu requires the ENTIRE engine cradle to come down. If you want V8 power, don't even think of a front-driver.

[jgc61sr2002]

Welcome to the MM site.:D
Go for the Marauder you won't be sorry.

[Smokie]

The Cadillac is very nice and all I can say is if a FWD car is ok with you, then buy the Caddy...I cannot, will not buy FWD regardless of what car company made it.

[Presence]

That's easy to say in Florida. Here in the midwest, you have to take into account the days of snowy & icy roads.

[fastblackmerc]

That's easy to say in Florida. Here in the midwest, you have to take into account the days of snowy & icy roads.
You might be able to get a Marauder for less than 20K and spend the rest on a "beater" car for your winter travels...

[Smokie]

That's easy to say in Florida. Here in the midwest, you have to take into account the days of snowy & icy roads.

If your buying decision is being made based on snow and icy roads, again having the engine on top of the drive wheels is the way to go.

There are many Marauders living quite well in the snow belt both US and Canada, along with millions of other Panthers.

The Cadillac offers superior luxury, the Marauder offers what you can only feel...no one can tell you. I'm afraid I'm not much help because my decision to buy the Marauder was more than just a "practical" decision.

It's all about where you find yourself in life...I bought the Marauder because I wanted it....period. Best wishes on your decision.:D

[TripleTransAm]

The best way to decide is to drive both cars. I had the pleasure of trying both and noticed a tremendous difference in basic characteristics (ie. torque curve, etc.). I won't give any more info away lest I influence you during your test drives.

On top of the torque curves, consider the handling differences as well as fuel requirements. Consider the interior amenities (seat comfort, sound system quality, climate control effectiveness, etc.).

Each person is going to put different weight on those aspects.

[JMan]

Look up the phone number for "Master Tech" in Ft. Myers, Fl. on Metro Pkwy and ask them how they feel about the Northstar FWD driveline. From what I see daily (they're right next door to where I work) practically every engine or tranny snafu requires the ENTIRE engine cradle to come down. If you want V8 power, don't even think of a front-driver.

Ha,ha! I know Dean. Great guy! Does he still have the burnt orange CTS? Tell him Jake said hi.

Now on subject - Drive both cars. Make sure to drive highway and city on cruddy roads. Make some harsh maneuvers as well. If you can, get three friends to go on the test drive with you in both cars. You'll be the one to ultimately decide!

Best luck,

J

[GreekGod]

My brother rented a (FWD) Northstar DeVille last year and I drove it. I was surprised at the lack of power and the poor handling.

I don't know how/if it was the same as a DTS, but the only thing I really liked about it was the trick 3 layer center armrest/storage system! Oh, and I also liked the access to the trunk through the rear center armrest

That front end felt way heavy and I could see the drivetrain packaging and servicing was terrible. If you think MM service charges are expensive, try pricing Caddy labor rates. My laymans outlook predicts breathtaking rates, not to mention high parts prices.

I know a retired man that worked at a Caddy dealership and he told me the Northstar had a lot of oil-leak problems.

[Presence]

Perhaps one concern of mine is the visual appeal of either car. My wife thinks the Deville looks like something only "retired" (to be nice) people would drive. She has said that about the Grand Marquis, too. (She's never specifically seen a Marauder.)

So on the one hand I could buy a car retired people would drive (the DTS), or I could buy a car that looks like something a retired person would drive but was then inherited by a younger person and tricked out. :P

Have any of you ever had someone see your car, at least from a distance, and say "you drive that??" when they think it's a typical Grand Marquis?

[nomad]

Your choice. Buy something to look at, or buy something to drive.
The Marauder loves to be driven. Some people actually like it's looks.
Drive one. You might like it.

[Smokie]

Perhaps one concern of mine is the visual appeal of either car. My wife thinks the Deville looks like something only "retired" (to be nice) people would drive. She has said that about the Grand Marquis, too. (She's never specifically seen a Marauder.)

So on the one hand I could buy a car retired people would drive (the DTS), or I could buy a car that looks like something a retired person would drive but was then inherited by a younger person and tricked out. :P

Have any of you ever had someone see your car, at least from a distance, and say "you drive that??" when they think it's a typical Grand Marquis?


You stated earlier "your wife" drives an Aviator, you also stated "you" have $20K to spend on a vehicle....I will try to be as delicate as possible, I do not wish to offend you or your wife...why do you care what your Mrs. thinks about the visual appeal of your car???

To answer your question, no one has ever confused my car with a Grand Marquis, I have recieved compliments on my car that number in the hundreds from people of all ages, gender, race and social station.

[ezratty]

I had the same dilemma, i was looking for a car needed seating for the whole family and a trunk to take all my kids strollers, etc around. I rented a Deville in florida and really liked the ride and handling. even the rental comes with a fair amount of options. The Marauder on the other hand is a rip roaring cut the corners tight pavement pounder - much less refined that the caddy but makes up for it in power. The caddy was the direction i was heading in as a more practical car for daily driving but the price played into my decision. I needed to buy a car to replace a buick that was leaking oil badly. My finances helped me to make my decision. I wanted to get a certified caddy, it comes with a 5yr 100k mile warranty. peace of mind that i was looking for. I figured that i could pick up a certified '03 caddy DTS for about 25K with 25k miles. on the other side an '03 Marauder with about 25k miles would go for about 18K. money is money and with 2 kids in daycare 7g's is better in my pocket.
Don't get me wrong. i love the Marauder gobs of power that can smoke the tires and sports car handling, a trunk that can fit everything and plenty of room.
I am happy with my choice but if money wasn't an issue the decision would have been tough. (My wife says it looks like a cab, My friends ask me what retirement community i live in or who am i driving to the airport?)

ask yourself this
What do i want more - mainstream dignified luxury or unknown rare power

Just so you know i did buy an '03 marauder with 9,800 miles from a dealer in minnesota (i live in NY) for 18K

best of luck!

[Presence]

My wife says it looks like a cab, My friends ask me what retirement community i live in or who am i driving to the airport?

ROFLMAO, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Heh heh :P. Of course, you'd probably get the last two comments with a Deville, too.

[Black_Noise]

im late gettin me 1 1/2 cents in but......

ive drove both and the caddy woulnt get you the looks, compliments, and enjoyment that having a rare new muscle car will.
Its hard to tell but i would bet that the marauder will hold its value better being a 2yr production of a muscle car better than a caddy will (almost any caddy) take any caddy 5 yrs old or 8 yrs old and look at the retail value.

just my imput, hope it finds you well

[ADE 1000]

I was contemplating the same decision (at the age of 25) in late 2003 between a then new Marauder and a 2001 DTS. I loved the Cadillac, but went with the Marauder for its rarity, simplicity, modification potential, and the fact that was new. The DTS is more refined and has a totally different character than the Marauder. However, its FWD platform, potential reliability problems, and the fact that it is fairly common turned my decision against it.

Looking back, sometimes I wish I had bought the DTS because I would not be tempted to drop money on mods and I would not feel as bad about using it as a daily driver. But in the end I am happy with my decision. The Marauder is a unique automoble, the last performance minded body on frame sedan. I am happy to say that I own one and it turns more heads than any other car I have had. There will be plenty of time for Cadillacs later.

[Blackened300a]

My Mother has a 2003 DTS, I have driven it on long trips and have had a few weeks to drive the car and IMHO, its nothing compared to the Marauder.
As for ride I didnt see such a big difference between my Marauder and the DTS, Im sure because its the touring sedan the suspension is a bit firmer. Im also not pleased with the power of the caddy. Its advertised 300hp but it dont have the same feeling of acceleration that 300HP in my Marauder has even when stock. Plus the FWD doesnt help in the power department as well.I wasnt to thrilled with the handling, I feel more trusting throwing the marauder into a tight ess turn rather then the caddy at the same speed However, I do like the Caddilac's creature comforts like the massage seats, the dimming mirrors with turn signals, Dual zone climate controls, and a Great sound system, I also like the fact that it runs on 87 instead of premium for the Marauder.

If it came down to a choice, I would have to go with the Marauder, sure the Caddy may be more luxury and may sound more impressive telling your friends and family that you drive a "Caddilac" but it just doesnt have the overall "fun to drive" factor that the Marauder has.
Like I told my mother, If you took the DTS and put a chevy emblem on it, The car would sell for only $35k, to me its not worth the $50k she bought it new for.

[ctrlraven]

When I bought my Marauder back in 12/05 I had 25k to play with. I looked at several full size sedans such as 300C hemi, charger rt, (94-96) impala ss, (current) impala ss, and grand prix gxp. I wasn't even in the market for a Marauder until I came across one during a compare search on edmunds.com and read up on all the reviews and do lots of searches (mm.net is what pushed me to go on the test drive). I'd have to say the 300c hemi had some fancy things on it which is what I was leaning towards but once I drove the Marauder and the salesman told me to turn the traction control off, put the wheel all the way left and do a 360 all in this tight area on a side street and I asked him "are you sure about this?" he replied with "yes believe me when I tell you this your going to end up buying this car and if you mess it up we will fix it and you will still buy it". Sure enough I gave it some gas, whipped it around and I've still had a grin on my face since 12/2/05 and the grin is only getting bigger each time I do a mod. Needless to say I would rather pay for a Marauder because of its fun factory, simple but atractive looks, real american power feeling and safey then if someone gave me a Caddy for free.

[cruzer]

First, note my age. Ginny and I were having breakfast at a local waffle restaurant when two 30ish business men sat down next to us--right away the comment was made "Look at that Grand Marquis that some kid has dressed up to look like a hot rod---they should know better--that thing can't get out of it's own way" . Ginny nodded and I stood up to my 6'2" height and 250 pounds and informed them that I was not some kid and that was an "off the showroom floor" production car that could teach a lesson to a lot of so-called sport cars. We went outside, I popped the hood , fired up and slowly took it up to 5,000 rpm--closed the hood and proceeded to lay rubber in the lot--parked and started back into the restaurant--it seems one was driving a BMW and the other a Mercedes--they came back in and had some very nice comments about the Marauder..... I am proud to be driving a high performance ,stealthy looking, lots of room, good gas mileage, long-trip comfort car. Old Man Marauder

[mtnh]

First, note my age. Ginny and I were having breakfast at a local waffle restaurant when two 30ish business men sat down next to us--right away the comment was made "Look at that Grand Marquis that some kid has dressed up to look like a hot rod---they should know better--that thing can't get out of it's own way" . Ginny nodded and I stood up to my 6'2" height and 250 pounds and informed them that I was not some kid and that was an "off the showroom floor" production car that could teach a lesson to a lot of so-called sport cars. We went outside, I popped the hood , fired up and slowly took it up to 5,000 rpm--closed the hood and proceeded to lay rubber in the lot--parked and started back into the restaurant--it seems one was driving a BMW and the other a Mercedes--they came back in and had some very nice comments about the Marauder..... I am proud to be driving a high performance ,stealthy looking, lots of room, good gas mileage, long-trip comfort car. Old Man Marauder

Man, if that didn't put a smile on my face! Great story, Maury! It's about a wonder you didn't teach them a lesson with your foot! :P

To the base questioner, you've been presented with an overwhelming amount of constructive ideas. Like they say, drive them both and you decide.

Mike

[SideshowBob]

I'd like to say one thing in favor of the Caddy, especially if you're going to use it as a daily commuter: If (God forbid) you should get into an accident, the emotional pain will be a lot less in a disposable vehicle like the DTS.

[Shora]

I'd like to say one thing in favor of the Caddy, especially if you're going to use it as a daily commuter: If (God forbid) you should get into an accident, the emotional pain will be a lot less in a disposable vehicle like the DTS.

Great point! In the back of my mind, there is always a fear of something happening to my Marauder. It's not my daily driver and only has about 28,500 miles on it but from what the insurance company will give me for it I will end up with a Honda.

Put it this way, there are many members here who will keep their Marauders for as long as possible. How many people who buy a used DTS will keep them longer than they have to?

[GreekGod]

You should act your age! That is downright hooliganism!



First, note my age. Ginny and I were having breakfast at a local waffle restaurant when two 30ish business men sat down next to us--right away the comment was made "Look at that Grand Marquis that some kid has dressed up to look like a hot rod---they should know better--that thing can't get out of it's own way" . Ginny nodded and I stood up to my 6'2" height and 250 pounds and informed them that I was not some kid and that was an "off the showroom floor" production car that could teach a lesson to a lot of so-called sport cars. We went outside, I popped the hood , fired up and slowly took it up to 5,000 rpm--closed the hood and proceeded to lay rubber in the lot--parked and started back into the restaurant--it seems one was driving a BMW and the other a Mercedes--they came back in and had some very nice comments about the Marauder..... I am proud to be driving a high performance ,stealthy looking, lots of room, good gas mileage, long-trip comfort car. Old Man Marauder

[Cobra25]

I've owned 2 Caddy DHS in the past 5 years . One 2000 & the other 2002. Both were great car's & the service at Caddy was top notch. In the long run the Marauder will cost you more money because of the mods your going to want to do over time. Also with the Marauder your going to make alot of new friends and hang out now and then and have some good times. Take you time and think whats best for you .

[2003 MIB]

You should act your age! That is downright hooliganism!

You need to search the forums using "Cruzer" or "Maury"...He's not known for "acting his age". A certain car theft comes to mind...:rolleyes:

[Smokie]

First, note my age. Ginny and I were having breakfast at a local waffle restaurant when two 30ish business men sat down next to us--right away the comment was made "Look at that Grand Marquis that some kid has dressed up to look like a hot rod---they should know better--that thing can't get out of it's own way" . Ginny nodded and I stood up to my 6'2" height and 250 pounds and informed them that I was not some kid and that was an "off the showroom floor" production car that could teach a lesson to a lot of so-called sport cars. We went outside, I popped the hood , fired up and slowly took it up to 5,000 rpm--closed the hood and proceeded to lay rubber in the lot--parked and started back into the restaurant--it seems one was driving a BMW and the other a Mercedes--they came back in and had some very nice comments about the Marauder..... I am proud to be driving a high performance ,stealthy looking, lots of room, good gas mileage, long-trip comfort car. Old Man Marauder

Maury, you are my hero!!!! You da MAN and then some....:bows: :bows: :bows:

[rayjay]

My 04 DTR is my daily driver. I live in the snowbelt of upstate NY. With a snow tire package I've had no proiblems getting around. My sister/brother in law have a DTS, nice car, at first. It has nickle and dimed him to death since it went off warranty. They are not happy with it and would not even consider buying another.

[ctrlraven]

First, note my age. Ginny and I were having breakfast at a local waffle restaurant when two 30ish business men sat down next to us--right away the comment was made "Look at that Grand Marquis that some kid has dressed up to look like a hot rod---they should know better--that thing can't get out of it's own way" . Ginny nodded and I stood up to my 6'2" height and 250 pounds and informed them that I was not some kid and that was an "off the showroom floor" production car that could teach a lesson to a lot of so-called sport cars. We went outside, I popped the hood , fired up and slowly took it up to 5,000 rpm--closed the hood and proceeded to lay rubber in the lot--parked and started back into the restaurant--it seems one was driving a BMW and the other a Mercedes--they came back in and had some very nice comments about the Marauder..... I am proud to be driving a high performance ,stealthy looking, lots of room, good gas mileage, long-trip comfort car. Old Man Marauder All I have to say is if it wasn't 10am in the morning that would make for a great bedtime story lol :lol: . I took a friend of mine for their first ride in a Marauder yesterday and all they kept saying was "wanna be cop car". Well I showed them how it differs from a PI and they laughed when they saw people breaking their necks trying to see what the hell that silver flash was that went by them. Funniest part was when some guy was hanging his head out the window like a dog and couldn't take his eyes off the car. :D

[ckadiddle]

I'd have to say the 300c hemi had some fancy things on it which is what I was leaning towards but once I drove the Marauder and the salesman told me to turn the traction control off, put the wheel all the way left and do a 360 all in this tight area on a side street and I asked him "are you sure about this?" he replied with "yes believe me when I tell you this your going to end up buying this car and if you mess it up we will fix it and you will still buy it". Sure enough I gave it some gas, whipped it around and I've still had a grin on my face since 12/2/05 and the grin is only getting bigger each time I do a mod. Needless to say I would rather pay for a Marauder because of its fun factory, simple but atractive looks, real american power feeling and safey then if someone gave me a Caddy for free.
The sales dude that went with us on test drives was a young hot rodder. He encouraged us to "exercise" the car a bit. Had to buy it.

[magindat]

Back to the GM thing. My wife would not let me buy a Grand Marquis nor a CV sport. She said both looked like old man cars. We looked at a variety of caddys. They sure are nice. Lap of luxury even. But, at the end of the day for the same 20K, the Marauder was the final decision. She said it was somehow more bada$$, even though it was the same body. Go figure. Further, at that point we had no idea of the friends we would make nor even of this site.

Sure, the caddys got more luxury. However, no high-end car driver will ever snub you... they know they could get their a$$ whooped. No ricer will snub you and no muscle car driver will snub you. The MM is the best mix for a hauler (of a$$, stuff and people), muscle, luxury, and handling. There are many cars that can beat it in one or two of these aspects, but not ALL of them in one package.

As you said. I'm biased toward the MM. I don't dislike cadillac at all. I came close to owning one. You just have to decide based on YOUR OWN priorities.

Good Luck, and happy shopping.

[juno]

That's easy to say in Florida. Here in the midwest, you have to take into account the days of snowy & icy roads.

Sounds like you already made up your mind. :D

You can't really compare the two cars.

The caddy is a great car if you can live with/want FWD. Very refined.

Trade it before the warranty expires. Every one I know who has a caddy out of warranty spent more on repairs than I have on MODs.

And a Marauder is a Marauder. You will likely never get another chance to own one.

[rayjay]

The unique factor is certainly a point to consider, 11000 and change MM made, how many DTS? My 23yr old daughter thought it was an "old mans" car until I took her for a ride at 100+ :D

[tomd]

That's easy to say in Florida. Here in the midwest, you have to take into account the days of snowy & icy roads.


That's why it would of been great to have 4 wheel drive on demand for the Marauder! :lol: ;) Good radio too :bigcry:

[gpfarrell]

If you can get by without the little guy who lives in the trunk and pulls it shut the last 3/4 of an inch, I'd buy the Marauder.

Snow requires snow tires. No big deal, standard operating procedure with any performance car.

Nobody ever calls the older Impala SS an old man's car, but the wire-wheeled Caprices sure were. Likewise the Marauder... mine turns more heads than my red Porsche 911... and nobody calls it an old man's car.

The Caddy is a very nice car... I think I'd pick it's Northstar over a Town Car... but the Marauder is what I stroked a check for.

Just curious... are Caddy owners as passionate? Can you give us a link to their forum? I'd be very curious to see the nature of their responses.

300 horsepower or 300 horsepower... what a great time to be alive!

[juno]

300 horsepower or 300 horsepower... what a great time to be alive!

:up: Yep! Whodathunkit!

[Donny Carlson]

I have to agree with most of the previous posts. These two cars have different design intents, different missions. The Marauder is an all around great car with sporty performance and handling and a decent level of luxury amenities and is being sold at bargain prices. The DTS is a luxury car with decent power, but not designed to be a sporty car and have the handling of a sporty car. It does, however, win in the luxury department, with a superior Bose sound system, navigation, Onstar, heated and cooled seats, and a heated steering wheel among other toys. I saw one with the night vision setup on a local dealer's lot recently. The DTS had optional 18" wheels, as well, iirc. It's a cruiser, mean't to haul you and your passengers butts in pure comfort and bliss, things like cornering, running up the quarter mile in front of your buds, doing burnouts, etc. are not in the equation.

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[Dan]

1. Would you let your wife drive the car? If no then don't worry about what she thinks. It's gonne be your butt in the seat.

2. No, I've NEVER had ANYONE ask me if it was a Grand Marquis. Nearly everyone that sees that car either says something like, "I heard about those cars but never saw one" or "What is that??? It looks very cool!" FYI-Most of the "fans" of this car are between 18 and 45 years old.

3. On snow. I drive my car through the winter but not in crazy deep snow. For that I have a 10 year old 4x4 Ford Ranger. These can be bought for under 5K.

4. If you MUST drive in the snow then 4 snows is the way to go. Consider studs if your area is harsh enough for it.

5. I wouldn't say that the MM was a car that looked like it was handed down to a younger person from an older person. (see my point 2) No insult here but It sounds like you need to get to know the car a little better.


Perhaps one concern of mine is the visual appeal of either car. My wife thinks the Deville looks like something only "retired" (to be nice) people would drive. She has said that about the Grand Marquis, too. (She's never specifically seen a Marauder.)

So on the one hand I could buy a car retired people would drive (the DTS), or I could buy a car that looks like something a retired person would drive but was then inherited by a younger person and tricked out. :P

Have any of you ever had someone see your car, at least from a distance, and say "you drive that??" when they think it's a typical Grand Marquis?

[Vortex]

If I was considering a Cadillac, Id wait a bit anyway. Did you see last weeks 60 Minutes interview with Bob Lutz? He was showing some future cars that were covered up but he did lift the tarp a bit off a new car that looks like the 2000 Cadillac IMAJ showcar with much softer lines. From what I could see, it looked pretty nice. Might be an option down the road.

[Bradley G]

I almost made the most horrible mistake of my life when it came to replaceing a sixteen year old Ford F250 460CID.
I spotted a used Caddy on a lift at a local L/M lot .They always look good perched up like that, visible undercarage.
It was a nice looking , pearl white Deville.
I inquired about the price and the guy never called me back.
Funny thing too, My co-worker used to work there and gave me the referral.

Once I saw my first Marauder, which was just a short bit later, I did not have to look any longer.
I had also considered a Crownvic sport.The one my dealer had, was waiting for a repaint due to birdcrap stains.
That stalled my decision, just long enough to discover the Marauder.

If you are a Ford man you need to act like one and treat yourself to the best car, Ford ever made.
I am sure the Caddy is smoother , quieter, better stereo, ect.
After my first thirty months of ownership and second year here, I can say it only gets better!
Hold On!
P.S. Please post a link to the Caddy forum.



I have about $20k to spend and it has come down to a decision between these two cars: a 2004 Marauder, or a 2002-2004 Cadillac DTS.

I know getting opinions on this forum is going to be just slighty biased :cool: but I need opinions from people on which one to get. I've posted a similar topic on a Cadillac forum.

Of course, it would be helpful if those who respond are familiar with the 2002-2004 era Cadillac Deville DTS. 300hp, amenities galore, Bose sound system, etc.

I've always been a Ford man, and currently drive a 1999 Lincoln Continental. I like the styling of the Marauder well enough, but worry that bottom line it may be a bit too barebones for my liking. My wife drives a 2003 Lincoln Aviator, so I am well aware of the power of the engine, though. ;)

[ckadiddle]

If you can get by without the little guy who lives in the trunk and pulls it shut the last 3/4 of an inch, I'd buy the Marauder.


You guys never fail to crack me up! :lol:
One of our friends called me yesterday - she had slammed both alloy wheels on one side of her grand marquis HARD into a curb. In passing she asked me again what the difference is between her GM and my Marauder. She had asked me before, but this time I had a good answer for her. I said "About eighty horses". :)

[gpfarrell]

You guys never fail to crack me up! :lol:

"About eighty horses". :)

Hey thanks... I might qoute your "About eighty horses"!

[Smokie]

I think we been had.

[Dan]

Why? .

[Smokie]

I don't think Mr. Presence ever intended to buy a Marauder.

[GreekGod]

I found out a few others agree with my driving experience with the Cadillac. This confirms the GreekGod is a keen analyst and "forums" with a few like minds. ;)

[TripleTransAm]

I don't think Mr. Presence ever intended to buy a Marauder.

He asked for opinions, we gave them. Whatever he chooses to buy is ultimately his choice, no? I don't understand why the fact of him being on this board asking about the car obliges him to have to buy one.

Who knows, maybe he is/was a troll. So what? It's a sign of what we've become as a community, when newbies are greeted with suspicion and antagonism... "prove that you belong here"... it's enough to put off potential new members, if you ask me.

I can honestly say that if I had been met with the same antagonism on that first fateful thread I started back in Jan 2003, my enthusiasm probably would have cooled substantially (I'm sure immersing myself in this site helped contribute to my taking the plunge on a new one 2 months later).

[Master]

Probably everyone is beyond caring at this point, but for what its worth, I love the reaction an MM gets. Downtown Halifax on a Saturday night (Supposedly we have one of the most densely packed bar districts in North America) when people are lined up a hundred deep, its the Marauder that turns heads and gets guys in their 20s telling one another "Hey, thats one of those Marauders". Then they litterally turn and stare until you're out of site. I can't quite understand it considering some of the women they are standing there with, but maybe familiarity breeds complacency. Either way, its a sure sign of the MM's character AND reputation. What a hoot!
Oh. And its great in the winter (trac OFF) with the huge 235/75/16 winters. This from a guy who's had plenty of years in Canada with front, rear and all wheel drivers. Lets face it, though. When "White Juan" shows up, the Explorer 4x4 Sport is the only way to go.

[Smokie]

He asked for opinions, we gave them. Whatever he chooses to buy is ultimately his choice, no? I don't understand why the fact of him being on this board asking about the car obliges him to have to buy one.

Who knows, maybe he is/was a troll. So what? It's a sign of what we've become as a community, when newbies are greeted with suspicion and antagonism... "prove that you belong here"... it's enough to put off potential new members, if you ask me.

I can honestly say that if I had been met with the same antagonism on that first fateful thread I started back in Jan 2003, my enthusiasm probably would have cooled substantially (I'm sure immersing myself in this site helped contribute to my taking the plunge on a new one 2 months later).

I believe Mr. Presence was treated in a friendly and respectful manner. I still stand by my statement, which I don't consider an insult; simply stating my opinion.:)

[Presence]

Actually, I don't plan on buying anything until next month (May). It is too bad someone had to add an opinion despite it having nothing to do with the discussion. I was enjoying reading this thread and getting everyone's takes until Smokie had to chime in with his off-topic two cents. Indeed, this has killed the "vibe" of the forum for me.

[Shora]

Actually, I don't plan on buying anything until next month (May). It is too bad someone had to add an opinion despite it having nothing to do with the discussion. I was enjoying reading this thread and getting everyone's takes until Smokie had to chime in with his off-topic two cents. Indeed, this has killed the "vibe" of the forum for me.

Trust me on one thing. This is the best car forum past or present. A big credit and a thanks is deserving to those responsibe for running/ maintaining it. Furthermore, the members on this site who contribute also deserve a big thumbs up.

I would be lost without this site and all the good people here.

If I were you, let the small things (and that was a very small thing) go and enjoy the forum. You are being and will continue to be treated more than fairly.

By the way, welcome aboard.

[Marauder2005]

Trust me on one thing. This is the best car forum past or present. A big credit and a thanks is deserving to those responsibe for running/ maintaining it. Furthermore, the members on this site who contribute also deserve a big thumbs up.

I would be lost without this site and all the good people here.

If I were you, let the small things (and that was a very small thing) go and enjoy the forum. You are being and will continue to be treated more than fairly.

By the way, welcome aboard.



Take Shora's word for it :) :high5: :2thumbs:

[David Morton]

FWD puts all the stress up front.

Engine mounts go bad and driveability suffers.

Torque steer gets added to the vocabulary. That's when you step on the gas and the front end pulls to the left or right. Engine/transmission mounts, cradle alignment or tires can cause this.

Front tires wear out very fast because they're doing double duty, all the driving, accelerating and stopping. Rotating becomes a frequent maintenance concern, like on every oil change.

Front shocks (struts) wear out fast (40-50K) and are a major expense to replace.

Orbital steer gets added to the vocabulary. That's when the car changes direction as the suspension level changes on dips in the road. Cradle alignment or damage can cause this.

FWD is for small cars or slick road conditions in my opinion. If you like to drive hard, neither of those apply.

So, if you like to drive hard, buy the Marauder. It's faster and will stand up to the abuse better. The only thing better on the DTS is the Bose sound system and for the price difference you can put one in the Marauder anytime if that's what you want.

[2003 MIB]

Take Shora's word for it :) :high5: :2thumbs:

I would also attest that Smokie's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. We've all been sucked into the bogus "What should I buy?" threads before- i'm just glad this isn't one of them. Welcome aboard- hang out a while and you'll see that there was no harm intended.:D

[Bradley G]

Did I mention I crushed a DTS from a dead dig yesterday.
It was funny, cause the guy prematurely jumed, at the green turn arrow.
Then he was hanging over the line,.... the head start did not help him.
Rookie!:P
If you deciede on the DTS, better get the limo tint.
We don't want to see the disapointment on your face when you see a Marauder pull along side.:eek:

[Smokie]

Actually, I don't plan on buying anything until next month (May). It is too bad someone had to add an opinion despite it having nothing to do with the discussion. I was enjoying reading this thread and getting everyone's takes until Smokie had to chime in with his off-topic two cents. Indeed, this has killed the "vibe" of the forum for me.

Mr. Presence I regret that my honest opinion on your consideration of a MM. for purchase has offended you or killed the "vibe" as you put it.

You recieved friendly and respectful opinions from everyone including myself, your tone of describing our car, or more accurately what you told us "others" think of our cars would have gotten you a far more agressive response had you done it in another car forum.

If your intentions of considering our car for purchase are geniune, you have my sincere apology. Personally I still believe your decision was made before your first post and come May we will know.

If you decide my honesty is the reason why this forum is "bad" and therefore the MM. not worth buying you are going to deprive yourself of the unique opportunity to own a very special car and hang out with a group of people that are simply the best at helping each other and having fun together.

I wish you the very best in your future endeavors; and you or anyone else with a geniune passion for the Marauder will always be welcome here.:)

[2003 MIB]

Mr. Presence I regret that my honest opinion on your consideration of a MM. for purchase has offended you or killed the "vibe" as you put it.

You recieved friendly and respectful opinions from everyone including myself, your tone of describing our car, or more accurately what you told us "others" think of our cars would have gotten you a far more agressive response had you done it in another car forum.

If your intentions of considering our car for purchase are geniune, you have my sincere apology. Personally I still believe your decision was made before your first post and come May we will know.

If you decide my honesty is the reason why this forum is "bad" and therefore the MM. not worth buying you are going to deprive yourself of the unique opportunity to own a very special car and hang out with a group of people that are simply the best at helping each other and having fun together.

I wish you the very best in your future endeavors; and you or anyone else with a geniune passion for the Marauder will always be welcome here.:)

SEE!- I told you so.:cool:

[Smokie]

One thing I forgot in my last post, a couple of our members have asked you to please post the LINK to the Cadillac Forum where you posted the same inquiry as here.

I myself have an interest now in knowing how things are developing in the Caddy forum in regards to your question....if you would so kind, curious to know how the other half lives.:D

[Bradley G]

No way, they're bein' as nice as us!:P

[gpfarrell]

Count me in (again) on wanting a link to the Caddy forum... I'd be very interested in catching their Vibe... isn't Vibe a pontiac though?

Btw, this is a very respectul group... but it's a group of straight-shooters that ain't shy... not unlike the cars we drive... so given the lack of a linky to the Caddy forum, I don't think Smokie was out of line with his remarks.

Welcome to a group that's eager to help... we just like to know that we're really helping.

[GreekGod]

Hooligans:

<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 366679" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>Bradley@DynoPros</TD><TD class=alt2>Did I mention I crushed a DTS from a dead dig yesterday.
It was funny, cause the guy prematurely jumed, at the green turn arrow.
Then he was hanging over the line,.... the head start did not help him.
Rookie!:P
If you deciede on the DTS, better get the limo tint.
We don't want to see the disapointment on your face when you see a Marauder pull along side.:eek:</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
The Curious:
<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 366706" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>Smokie</TD><TD class=alt2>One thing I forgot in my last post, a couple of our members have asked you to please post the LINK to the Cadillac Forum where you posted the same inquiry as here.

I myself have an interest now in knowing how things are developing in the Caddy forum in regards to your question....if you would so kind, curious to know how the other half lives.:D</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Mutual Admiration Society/back slappers:
SEE!- I told you so.:cool:

Keen analyists:
<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 366645" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>David Morton</TD><TD class=alt2>FWD puts all the stress up front.

Engine mounts go bad and driveability suffers.

Torque steer gets added to the vocabulary. That's when you step on the gas and the front end pulls to the left or right. Engine/transmission mounts, cradle alignment or tires can cause this.

Front tires wear out very fast because they're doing double duty, all the driving, accelerating and stopping. Rotating becomes a frequent maintenance concern, like on every oil change.

Front shocks (struts) wear out fast (40-50K) and are a major expense to replace.

Orbital steer gets added to the vocabulary. That's when the car changes direction as the suspension level changes on dips in the road. Cradle alignment or damage can cause this.

FWD is for small cars or slick road conditions in my opinion. If you like to drive hard, neither of those apply.

So, if you like to drive hard, buy the Marauder. It's faster and will stand up to the abuse better. The only thing better on the DTS is the Bose sound system and for the price difference you can put one in the Marauder anytime if that's what you want.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Demi-Gods:
GreekGod
;)

[RICE EATR]

My father has a 2003 DTS, its a great car for driving. But if you want to have fun, get into a Marauder.

[Mad4Macs]

That's easy to say in Florida. Here in the midwest, you have to take into account the days of snowy & icy roads.

My Marauder was my daily driver for three years, and I'm in Michigan.

[Presence]

After much researching and gathering of opinions, should I find just the one I want, it will be a Marauder for me. Although, I suppose I should also mention that I am now researching the Jaguar XJR. Should I create a "Marauder vs Jaguar XJR" thread now? :)

So if anyone comes across a nice 2004 Marauder, dark toreador red, with ALL the options (moonroof, heated seats, etc) and average to lowish miles, give me a buzz. I'd also prefer the lighter interior (flint?) over the charcoal one, but those never seem to show up.

[supa_carrot]

Well, I noticed that you bought the Marauder which in my mind was the right choice. Something that might make you feel like you bought the "best" looking car is I'm 16 and I own one. The first day I drove it to school some kids were breaking their necks to take a second look. Loved it.

[Marauder2005]

Here is one, 11,600 miles on here. VERY sharp, it would be mine if I

had the $$$$. Take a look.....


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercury-2004-Mercury-Marauder_W0QQitemZ4629860257QQ categoryZ6882QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI tem

[Presence]

Quick question -- is there a MPG readout anywhere, like in the overhead display console? Or does that just display temp/compass?

[Rider90]

Quick question -- is there a MPG readout anywhere, like in the overhead display console? Or does that just display temp/compass?
compass, for some stupid reason thats all it is good for...

temp is at the heater and a/c controls

[Bradley G]

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188148923&dealer_id=56809548&car_year=2004&search_type=both&make=MERC&distance=0&model=MARAUDER&sponsorModel=&address=02472&certified=&advanced=&max_price=&bkms=1144970862383&sort_type=mileageASC&min_price=&end_year=2004&start_year=2003&isp=y&lang=en&cardist=471
After much researching and gathering of opinions, should I find just the one I want, it will be a Marauder for me. Although, I suppose I should also mention that I am now researching the Jaguar XJR. Should I create a "Marauder vs Jaguar XJR" thread now? :)

So if anyone comes across a nice 2004 Marauder, dark toreador red, with ALL the options (moonroof, heated seats, etc) and average to lowish miles, give me a buzz. I'd also prefer the lighter interior (flint?) over the charcoal one, but those never seem to show up.

[rookie1]

a little late responding but.......... You say you live in the Midwest, I live in the Chicago area and to be perfectly frank the MM isn't really practical to try and drive in the winter without snow tires.
On the other hand , all the valet parking jocks at dwntwn Chicago restaurants will park a clean and shiny MM right up front where you can see it out the window, they do the same thing for clean and shiny 94-96 Impalas also. They don't do that for caddys.

[Master]

And lets be honest. No vehicle with even moderately entertaining levels of power with good all season performance tires is going to be any good in the winter without a good winter tire package. That includes front wheel drivers like the Caddy. Even if it is better than rear wheel drive, you are only rating the best-of-the-worst. Winter tires on either, and I think they would both be fine in the snow (my MM sure is) with the nod to the Caddy.

[Presence]

Update: I ended up buying a Jaguar XJR. So, I ended up getting neither car discussed in this thread. :) Oh, well.

http://www.carstickerpro.com/~dolphinauto/1MF29625-34sm.jpg

[Smokie]

I don't think Mr. Presence ever intended to buy a Marauder.

I guess my initial instincts were not so far off...:D

Best wishes on your vehicle purchase.

[Presence]

You basically soured me on the car. Kind of like the way a certain smell can remind you of an old girlfriend, looking at a Marauder reminded me of your snotty post (and look at you gloating even now.) After your snip I decided to have another look at other cars around, when I found information on the Jaguar XJR.

[MM03MOK]

You basically soured me on the car. Kind of like the way a certain smell can remind you of an old girlfriend, looking at a Marauder reminded me of your snotty post (and look at you gloating even now.) After your snip I decided to have another look at other cars around, when I found information on the Jaguar XJR.
Prescence: congrats on your new car. I'm sorry to hear that the opinion of one member here would turn you again a wonderful car that we are very passionate about. I'm hoping that isn't really the whole truth. You may have missed his apology, so I'm posting it again here for you to read.

We never did get the Cadillac thread link. How did the discussion turn out there? Just curious...

Again, best of luck. Thank you for coming back and posting about your final purchase.

Mr. Presence I regret that my honest opinion on your consideration of a MM. for purchase has offended you or killed the "vibe" as you put it.

You recieved friendly and respectful opinions from everyone including myself, your tone of describing our car, or more accurately what you told us "others" think of our cars would have gotten you a far more agressive response had you done it in another car forum.

If your intentions of considering our car for purchase are geniune, you have my sincere apology. Personally I still believe your decision was made before your first post and come May we will know.

If you decide my honesty is the reason why this forum is "bad" and therefore the MM. not worth buying you are going to deprive yourself of the unique opportunity to own a very special car and hang out with a group of people that are simply the best at helping each other and having fun together.

I wish you the very best in your future endeavors; and you or anyone else with a geniune passion for the Marauder will always be welcome here.:)

[Smokie]

I examined what you wrote, had an instictive reaction and presented it. I never treated you in a disrespectful manner, It never bothered me that you were not going to buy a Marauder.

I have been totally honest at all times and offered you honest perspective when I thought you were actually really considering the purchase of a Marauder. I have at all times respected your right to purchase whatever you wish to buy and always wished you well regardless of your decision.

I still do wish you well and bear you no ill will. Your comments about being soured on the Marauder because of my opinion on your intentions to buy or not to buy one sound a bit hollow.

It is perfectly ok to just simply say I bought the Jaguar because you believe it is better than the Marauder or you just simply like it better. Again you may find this difficult to believe but I do wish you well on your purchase. Good Luck.

[rayjay]

Uhm, are not cars a personal preference? The MM is not for everyone. I thought I really wanted a Mustang until I drove one. :(

[fastblackmerc]

Well you know what they say about owning a Jaguar.....

Need to buy 2 so you can drive 1 when the other 1's in the shop!

[GreekGod]

Mustangs are girly-man and chick cars. ;)

[Hotrauder]

I can't believe I read this entire thread....:lol:

[jimlam56]

I can't believe I read this entire thread....:lol:
Me too, and we STILL didn't get the Caddy link!:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Blackened300a]

You basically soured me on the car. Kind of like the way a certain smell can remind you of an old girlfriend, looking at a Marauder reminded me of your snotty post (and look at you gloating even now.) After your snip I decided to have another look at other cars around, when I found information on the Jaguar XJR.

This was a Troll, He used Smokie's excuse to worm his way out of not posting the caddy forum link and leave the forum with us thinking that he was a honest potential buyer.
He asked generic questions, asked about general options and didnt even care about the points we raised.
Not only that, he wanted to compare 2 cars that besides having a 32V V-8, they are on different sides of the playing field! Caddilac would be more suited compared to a Lincoln, not the rare muscle sedan that is the Marauder.

I cant believe I actually spent 20 minutes of my life that Im not getting back reading this entire thread!
:lol:

[gpfarrell]

Jag eh? Well, at least its still a "Ford"!

Pretty kitty, and I'll give you points for reporting back on what you bought.

But, with still no link to the Caddy site, I'm not sure Smokey was all wrong.

I'd wouldn't go Marauder huntin'... your "R" might not be the only supercharged sedan at the red light.

Hope your happy with it.