Hey Jerry, how about a $200 incentive bonus to any Trilogy guys running in the 11's?

[MI2QWK4U]

Hey Jerry! How about it....A cold hard cash reward of $200 bucks for any Trilogy car out there running in the 11's? Another vendor is offering the 11 second bounty and it is a great idea to motivate guys to get to the track! What do you say?

[03MERCMARAUDER]

Wont he go broke LOL. Seems there are quite a few trilogy powered Rauders running 11's.

Joe

[Tallboy]

[Voice from Van Halen song]

C'mon, Dave, gimme a break...

Jerry paying you guys [You, Mike, Lidio, Charlie] to run 11s? He might as well be paying you to wake up!!!:lol:

[blackf0rk]

I think having the incentive is a cry for help...anyone could break into the 11's with a Trilogy ;)

[HwyCruiser]

Wow, didn't see this one coming. :rolleyes:

[blackf0rk]

Wow, didn't see this one coming. :rolleyes:

This is the Trilogy forum, what'd you expect?

[merc]

Wow, didn't see this one coming. :rolleyes:

Sometimes it's good to be N/A :popcorn:

[bigslim]

For once I'm speechless. :eek:

[bigslim]

Actually I will say that I don't need the $200. I have Jerry's friendship instead. :D

[Smokie]

Can I have $1.55 for running 12's ???......:whistle:

[MI2QWK4U]

I think having the incentive is a cry for help...anyone could break into the 11's with a Trilogy ;)


Good point. It is simply amazing that with a stock motor, Trilogy Kit, exhaust, Pro-M MAF and race gas, anyone can be in the 11's.

[STLR FN]

Can I have $2.00 for almost breaking T2 in 11secs?? :lol:

[Zack]

Good point. It is simply amazing that with a stock motor, Trilogy Kit, exhaust, Pro-M MAF and race gas, anyone can be in the 11's.

Agreed, but 11.6's are sooooo sweeeeet.

[Jerry Barnes]

O.K., I am up for a challenge. $500 for any Trilogy Marauder in the 10's and $1,000 for any Trilogy Marauder in the 9's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go get'em Boys and Girls!!!!!!!

Jerry

[tmac1337]

Good point. It is simply amazing that with a stock motor, Trilogy Kit, exhaust, Pro-M MAF and race gas, anyone can be in the 11's.

Dave, take a look at the timeslip page. I remember you calling out another person about misleading information. I don't see nitrous in your quote either.


O.K., I am up for a challenge. $500 for any Trilogy Marauder in the 10's and $1,000 for any Trilogy Marauder in the 9's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go get'em Boys and Girls!!!!!!!

Jerry

Now this is a great challenge for any Trilogy owner!

[Joe Walsh]

Sometimes it's good to be N/A :popcorn:


:popcorn: TOO!

Looking forward to the day when I can really participate in these S/C discussions....

[MI2QWK4U]

Agreed, but 11.6's are sooooo sweeeeet.

Zack, I bet they are. You have done a great job with you car, I will be the first to acknowledge that. Its safe to say you have jumped in and done a lot more with it than I have been willing to do to mine. I think that you have pushed the envelope more than I have been willing to do. I dont feel like doing a motor. It remains that I am still pushing the stock motor, with very few mods other than those that increase the airflow thru the motor by air intake and exhaust. I am happy where I am, but the truth of the matter is my car hasn't run its best time yet. We got there by different methods, but we both got into the 11's, and I am happy to be there with you and the others.

[MI2QWK4U]

Dave, take a look at the timeslip page. I remember you calling out another person about misleading information. I don't see nitrous in your quote either.


Tim, WTF are you babbling about now? What misleading info might you be refering to? I dont have nitrous on my Marauder.

[stevengerard]

and to think a few months ago I was thinking "hey with a couple of tweaks and widened rims I'd be in the high 11's and in the top 5 easily." Now I would have to be in the 11s just to break top 10 on the timeslip page. about time I get those rims 11.99 will be top 20 if I'm lucky.

[Tallboy]

Agreed, but 11.6's are sooooo sweeeeet.

...and you did that when we were at Gainesville, and it was hotter than hell!!!:bounce:

I thoroughly enjoyed watching that car of yours scream down the 1320...:cool:

[tmac1337]

Good point. It is simply amazing that with a stock motor, Trilogy Kit, exhaust, Pro-M MAF and race gas, anyone can be in the 11's.


ANYONE.

I did not say you did have nitrous Dave. Let me be clear....if you look at the timeslip page there are a few nitrous cars in the 11's. Minus that by reference to your "Anyone" quote, how many out of the kits sold run 11's? Anyone? Just pointing something out is all.

Cheers!

[Tallboy]

:laugh: :nos: :laugh: :nos:


Tim, WTF are you babbling about now? What misleading info might you be refering to? I dont have nitrous on my Marauder.

[MI2QWK4U]

Dave, take a look at the timeslip page. I remember you calling out another person about misleading information. I don't see nitrous in your quote either.



Tim, again, I am asking what misleading information you are insinuating that I posted in this thread because you are clearly making a point of me supposedly calling out someone else for misleading info....
So for starters, set me straight on that one.

Then explain why you make a point of mentioning that you dont see nitrous in my information? You dont see it there because it isnt there. Lidio got Trilogy #1 into the 11s, then got his own into the 11s without nitrous, Mike Z should be there too without nos, Charlie as well, not to mention a few more a hundreth or tenth of a sec out of 11s.

[bigslim]

Tim, again, I am asking what misleading information you are insinuating that I posted in this thread because you are clearly making a point of me supposedly calling out someone else for misleading info....
So for starters, set me straight on that one.

Then explain why you make a point of mentioning that you dont see nitrous in my information? You dont see it there because it isnt there. Lidio got Trilogy #1 into the 11s, then got his own into the 11s without nitrous, Mike Z should be there too without nos, Charlie as well, not to mention a few more a hundreth or tenth of a sec out of 11s.
Zack also is in the 11's "without" nitrous.

[shakes_26]

As Chief Brody said once upon a time "You're gonna need a bigger boat."


Here I am thinking, "okay 11s, not bad, get into the 11s, happy I'll be and Bob's your uncle". And then this, this, this challenge!

I think we need to start a S.A.L.T* III treaty.... this is getting out of hand!



* Supercharged Air Limitation Treaty


O.K., I am up for a challenge. $500 for any Trilogy Marauder in the 10's and $1,000 for any Trilogy Marauder in the 9's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go get'em Boys and Girls!!!!!!!

Jerry

[Tallboy]

As Chief Brody said once upon a time "You're gonna need a bigger boat."


Here I am thinking, "okay 11s, not bad, get into the 11s, happy I'll be and Bob's your uncle". And then this, this, this challenge!

I think we need to start a S.A.L.T* III treaty.... this is getting out of hand!



* Supercharged Air Limitation Treaty

OK. That's it. Next time I'm at your house, I'm taking your DVD player away. :lol:

[Bradley G]

"Tough Nut to crack" or "anyone can do it"
Like Chuck (tallboy) said, "Come on Dave, Gimmie a break".
305 Drag Radials, widen rims and Lidios' dynotuning had a hand in that achievement.

Good point. It is simply amazing that with a stock motor, Trilogy Kit, exhaust, Pro-M MAF and race gas, anyone can be in the 11's.

[MikesMerc]

I think what Dave is referring to is that the formula is there for Trilogy cars to get into the 11s. And that the formula is pretty simple.

He covered most of it when he said "stock motor, Trilogy Kit, exhaust, Pro-M MAF and race gas." The only things left off are gears and wide rims which most SC guys get right off the bat. Even so, having good traction at the track is a given, and Dave is in the 11s with only 3.73 gears....no 4.10s or 4.30s!!

But, the MOST important point is the 11s on a stock motor. That means a few things. First it means stock compression and head flow is enough to acheive 11s with the Trilogy kit. Another is that the motors in the Trilogy cars running 11s can LIVE. When you look at the timeslip page and start considering who is in the 11s with a stock motor you'll understand what Dave is driving at.

I think Daves point stands. ANYONE with what Dave has listed can be in the 11s. The reason more Trilogy owners are not is that they have not done what Dave listed out. Charlie just went down this path last summer, completed most of what dave has listed, and *poof* Charlie is in the 11s.

I'd also be in the 11s with only the blower, but I just skipped ahead to the NOS after driving Jerry's car #1 last year at Route66. I just couldn't resist:D But I had already run 12.0s the previous season and I just never gave my non-NOS set up a chance last year.

Dave's formula is pretty accurate. Nothing misleading about it.

[Dan]

O.K., I am up for a challenge. $500 for any Trilogy Marauder in the 10's and $1,000 for any Trilogy Marauder in the 9's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go get'em Boys and Girls!!!!!!!

Jerry

I can hear valve and pistons punching through Marauder hoods from here. :)

[TopCat]

I think what Dave is referring to is that the formula is there for Trilogy cars to get into the 11s. And that the formula is pretty simple.

He covered most of it when he said "stock motor, Trilogy Kit, exhaust, Pro-M MAF and race gas." The only things left off are gears and wide rims which most SC guys get right off the bat. Even so, having good traction at the track is a given, and Dave is in the 11s with only 3.73 gears....no 4.10s or 4.30s!!


This is a good point. It looks like the FIT guys are having to go to taller gears to get in the 11s. The fact that Dave did it with 3:73 gears is incredible.

[mpearce]

This is a good point. It looks like the FIT guys are having to go to taller gears to get in the 11s. The fact that Dave did it with 3:73 gears is incredible.

Whats even more incredible than that is Lidio's Marauder got into the 11's without NOS, with a stock torque converter, and with completely stock exhaust.

I don't think anyone will beat that.

-Mat

[shakes_26]

I've knocked at the doorstep (12.17) with my mods and Torque converter, at a track thats not renowned for traction.

I've since removed the TC and am running 12.3's fairly consistent (same track, less than optimal traction). My mph have not dropped. And I'm running factory 3.55 and probably wont change them any time soon. I'm sure if I went to 4.10 or 4.30, or even BillGman insano 4.56's I'd be there, but the car wouldn't behave the way I want it to on the street.

I'm not optimistic that 11's are in the stars for my current setup, but I might get real close..real close.

[MI2QWK4U]

Dave, take a look at the timeslip page. I remember you calling out another person about misleading information. I don't see nitrous in your quote either.



Tim, again, I am asking what misleading information you are insinuating that I posted in this thread because you are clearly making a point of me supposedly calling out someone else for misleading info....
So for starters, set me straight on that one.

Then explain why you make a point of mentioning that you dont see nitrous in my information? You dont see it there because it isnt there. Lidio got Trilogy #1 into the 11s, then got his own into the 11s without nitrous, Mike Z should be there too without nos, Charlie as well, not to mention a few more a hundreth or tenth of a sec out of 11s.


Well Tim? You have had enough time to come up with something semi believable.....enlighten me.

[MI2QWK4U]

Whats even more incredible than that is Lidio's Marauder got into the 11's without NOS, with a stock torque converter, and with completely stock exhaust.

I don't think anyone will beat that.

-Mat


Lid was the first, but he had the 4:10s helping out the 60ft times and ultimately the 1/4 mile run. We both had stock converters. I think the gears vs exhaust are a wash in terms of giving a solid advantage to either. It really comes down to given a stock motored Marauder with a trilogy and 2.8 pulley, what else is needed for 11s. I think a proper tune with race gas, not turbo blue, open air filter element and better MAF, good hooking drag radials, would put your into the 11s, ,maybe a minimun of 373 gears...thats it.

[tmac1337]

Well Tim? You have had enough time to come up with something semi believable.....enlighten me.

Dave, I must be speaking cop talk that you would not understand.

No offense.

[tmac1337]

This is a good point. It looks like the FIT guys are having to go to taller gears to get in the 11s. The fact that Dave did it with 3:73 gears is incredible.

Gee, I wonder who this is?

[MI2QWK4U]

Dave, I must be speaking cop talk that you would not understand.

No offense.

Tim, its more like you are speaking imbecile. You open your mouth with the intent of demeaning someone, then when called out on it, you vapor lock and come up with stupid one liners like this. I cant wait to get to Florida for MVIV and enjoy your brand of hospitality, are you the welcome committee?

[Dan]

Tim, its more like you are speaking imbecile. You open your mouth with the intent of demeaning someone, then when called out on it, you vapor lock and come up with stupid one liners like this. I cant wait to get to Florida for MVIV and enjoy your brand of hospitality, are you the welcome committee?

Hey MI2,

Have you ever read anything on the psychology of policemen (in general)? Perhaps you would find it interesting. And, once you do, you'll have a much deeper understanding about why many of them react to certain things in certain ways.

Nothing negative meant here. Not taking sides.

Best,

Dan

[MI2QWK4U]

Hey MI2,

Have you ever read anything on the psychology of policemen (in general)? Perhaps you would find it interesting. And, once you do, you'll have a much deeper understanding about why many of them react to certain things in certain ways.

Nothing negative meant here. Not taking sides.

Best,

Dan


As a matter of fact I have experienced the psychology of policemen everyday for 16 years. I also understand that if you say something, be prepared to explain it without being demeaning. Nothing negative taken Dan!

[Jerry Barnes]

Hey, How do I end up in the middle of these things. You crazy, pistol totting police officers start a new thread! What about my generous $500 & $1,000 offers?

Jerry

[Glenn]

Thank you Jerry for the generous offer. Atlanta Trilogy #1 will take you up on the offer. I may not reach it this weekend, but I plan more changes for SSHS6 including 305s. I needed some incentive to buy the 305s and just received it.

Satisfied Customer #124.

[DEFYANT]

Yo Jerry, I'll take my $200 bucks now. Oh wait nevermind, that was the other generous supercharger guy. :D

No bigger mass air or race gas here gents. Here is all you need IMO:

Jerry Barnes + Lidio dyno tune +
Trilogy Supercharger #67 (http://www.trilogymotorsports.com/)
3.0 pulley
Kooks headers w/ high flow cats and X-pipe (http://www.kookscustomheaders.com/)
FMS Duel Mode Mufflers (http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField= 6631)
Megs delete tips
Custom widend rims w/ Nitto drag radials
JLT Intake (http://www.jlttruecoldair.com/)
FMS 4:10 gears
180* t-stat
Mobil 1 synthetic oil

+ cold air + excellent track + a little bit of seat time at the track = 11.98 in the 1/4 mile.

[MI2QWK4U]

Charlie, I think you may have hit on something. Every Trilogy car in the 11s was tuned by Lidio. Thats way more than a coincidence. I think that has to be as important of a piece of the puzzle as the supercharger itself. Just something to think about.

[DEFYANT]

Charlie, I think you may have hit on something. Every Trilogy car in the 11s was tuned by Lidio. Thats way more than a coincidence. I think that has to be as important of a piece of the puzzle as the supercharger itself. Just something to think about.

I agree Dave. Though there are some very qualified tuners out there, for THIS car, as far as I am concerned, Lidio rocks.

[Tallboy]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Tim, its more like you are speaking imbecile. You open your mouth with the intent of demeaning someone, then when called out on it, you vapor lock and come up with stupid one liners like this.

[Bradley G]

I'm not saying it can't be done.
I'm just sayin, It's gonna cost you.
A tire set up is considerible coin, So are Gears.
Dave has an impressive list of mods, and the most experienced Trilogy Marauder tuner in the land , doing his programming.
:D He has a bad azz buggy!



This is a good point. It looks like the FIT guys are having to go to taller gears to get in the 11s. The fact that Dave did it with 3:73 gears is incredible.

[Smokie]

So it's safe to say NO MARAUDER WHATSOEVER has hit 11's with 3:55's?!?!.

Hear that Shakes????? There is room for a WORLD'S FIRST 11 sec. Marauder on OEM gears. That ought to be worth at least a $1.89 reward.

3:55's Rule !!!!! :burn:

[MikesMerc]

3:55's Rule !!!!! :burn:

Indeed!

Of all the mods I have ever made, moving to the 4.10s away from the 3.55s was the closest thing to a regret that I have. The 3.55s plus blower was absolutely THE best set up for the street. Tree stump pulling torque low in the rpm band plus 3.55s made the car feel like it had a big block under the hood. I miss that now.

[Dan]

Indeed!

Of all the mods I have ever made, moving to the 4.10s away from the 3.55s was the closest thing to a regret that I have. The 3.55s plus blower was absolutely THE best set up for the street. Tree stump pulling torque low in the rpm band plus 3.55s made the car feel like it had a big block under the hood. I miss that now.

Mike,

I found your post very informative and helpful. I'll keep it in mind when doing my upgrade. Thanks.

Best,

Dan

[Jerry Barnes]

Hey, How do I end up in the middle of these things. You crazy, pistol totting police officers start a new thread! What about my generous $500 & $1,000 offers?

Jerry

Dave,

move this off topic stuff to another thread

[MI2QWK4U]

I'm not saying it can't be done.
I'm just sayin, It's gonna cost you.
A tire set up is considerible coin, So are Gears.
Dave has an impressive list of mods, and the most experienced Trilogy Marauder tuner in the land , doing his programming.
:D He has a bad azz buggy!


Thanks Brad, It was a lot of fun watching it fall into place, I am very pleased.

[MikesMerc]

Mike,

I found your post very informative and helpful. I'll keep it in mind when doing my upgrade. Thanks.

Best,

Dan

You're are quite welcome! I'll always share my experiences when I can:beer:

[Bradley G]

It has been a treat to watch you and my Mo-town Marauder Brotherens progress.(Sorry Mr. Barnes, last off topic post)
Trouble is,... keeping up:burnout:
Thanks Brad, It was a lot of fun watching it fall into place, I am very pleased.