$3.999/gal

[Matt Johnson]

Got stuck with the "Low Fuel" light and had to pull into the 76 station in Beverly Hills where it's flowing at $3.999 (not a typo)/gallon. $60-something bucks later....

[KillJoy]

OMG!

No way. I'd ride the bus.

KillJoy

Edit - DUH! I just realized that was the price for Premium. Still high though!

[blackf0rk]

Filled up just now for 3.21 in MKE, WI

[Matt Johnson]

OMG!

No way. I'd ride the bus.



You wouldn't ride the bus if you lived in LA....

[Tallboy]

You wouldn't ride the bus if you lived in LA....

Nobody walks in L.A.

[jim geary]

Got stuck with the "Low Fuel" light and had to pull into the 76 station in Beverly Hills where it's flowing at $3.999 (not a typo)/gallon. $60-something bucks later....
Damn Matt, that's a whole lot of money.Better check your tank before you
leave the house next time. I thought 3.40 was alot. Ouch.
:cry:

[jim geary]

You wouldn't ride the bus if you lived in LA....
You can say that again.:nono:

[jim geary]

Nobody walks in L.A.
It's not that Chuck, it's that we are all basicly lazy. And it generally takes you
30 to 40 miles before you get anywhere.

[shannon corkill]

It is sad that my economy car is an 1988 Trans am GTA. It runs on 87oct and gets 22-25mpg....Yet my wife wants me to sell it.

The gas prices are ridiculous! Thank you Mr. Clinton for shutting down refineries here in the states during your term.

[Bigdogjim]

The price is what it is.

Pay drive and enjoy.

[Matt Johnson]

I don't want to start a war here at all, but to blame gas prices on Clinton?

Come on...that's a stretch, don't you think? I don't think you can blame them on Clinton anymore than you can blame them on Bush. In fact, neither of these guys really has much to do with it at all.

If anything, we all just use way too much gas in the country. And as high as prices are right now, it's really the first time we've started paying what most of the rest of the world has been paying for years.

Blame our consumption, way of life, lack of adequate and efficient public transportation, the fact that many of us live miles from our work places in suburbs and not smack dab in the middle of an older (European, or East Coast) city where walking, taxis, busses, subways, trains are more efficient, government sanctioned corporate greed, OPEC, etc...

All that said, am I going to drive less? Unfortunately not. I'm an addict and I like my car way too much and like keeping my foot in it more. I blame myself for high gas prices, but I'm not willing to change my behavior.

But that's why I bought my wife a new hybrid...'even' things out a little:)

[SergntMac]

I'm seeing my low fuel light more recently than ever, but I know that once I cross the 300 mile mark on my trip odometer, it's time to shop by price.

Typically, once the light comes on, the needle says "very empty", yet it takes 15.7 to 16.2 gallons, depending on the sensivity of the pump. So, I know that once I see the light, I have 2-3 gallons left to shop on.

One of these days, I'm going to run it dry, just to see what a bone dry fuel tank holds. Specs say it's a 19 gallon tank, but I have never pumped over 17 gallons...In either MM.

[Rider90]

Gas prices are too cheap, I hope they rise another couple dollars before summer.

[Tallboy]

I'm seeing my low fuel light more recently than ever, but I know that once I cross the 300 mile mark on my trip odometer, it's time to shop by price.

Typically, once the light comes on, the needle says "very empty", yet it takes 15.7 to 16.2 gallons, depending on the sensivity of the pump. So, I know that once I see the light, I have 2-3 gallons left to shop on.

One of these days, I'm going to run it dry, just to see what a bone dry fuel tank holds. Specs say it's a 19 gallon tank, but I have never pumped over 17 gallons...In either MM.

I hit 355 miles on the trip odometer once. She took 18.6 gallons. Needle was way below empty.

[hitchhiker]

It is sad that my economy car is an 1988 Trans am GTA. It runs on 87oct and gets 22-25mpg....Yet my wife wants me to sell it.

The gas prices are ridiculous! Thank you Mr. Clinton for shutting down refineries here in the states during your term.

That's absurd with or without any further consideration.

Years later and still bashing Clinton! Wow!

Look to the current regime for connections to the oil companies and the failure to 'motivate' them properly in the interest of the American public.

I will attempt to explain things as I see them with a minimum of politicking.

The Gas thing is all about economics and the ability of a government to regulate and control the marketplace in time of crisis to achieve objectives which serve the national interest.

Get out an economics textbook and look up the concept of diminishing returns. Business people run their operations based on analytics and metrics learned while obtaining business and economics degrees.

Right now, oil refining and distribution companies are at a point on the profits curve which benefits them. Spending more money on additional refining capacity, which they should do from a 'good citizenship' perspective, does not serve their shareholders interest in profits. Once past a certain level of spending to produce a given capacity, they enter a zone of 'diminishing returns' when they spend more money to add additional capacity. Each new dollar spent in this zone of diminishing returns produces less and less profit. All business's attempt to tune their operating levels and capacities to achieve the maximum profit for each dollar invested.

A clever government however, can step into the picture and 'tune' the economic reality in which business operates.

A forced choice brought about by the threat of taxing them the same amount it would cost them to increase refinining capacity would induce actions in the interest of US citizen consumers. This would effectively 'reset' the optimum production point to one which would provide cheaper gasoline for American consumers.

Past administrations, both Democrat and Republican used to bring the talent on board needed to understand these things. They used to be good at 'tuning' the economy to produce desired results. They used to be able to confidently manage several world problems at the same time.

The current regime hasn't got the slightest clue about what to do about oil prices, gas prices, illegal aliens and the employers who bring them here, North Korea, China, Iraq, Iran, re-emergent Latin American socialist dictators, Cuba or much of anything else for that matter.

This modern version of 'The Spoils System' has resulted in a government that, at present, functions marginally at best.

I observe this happening with the current regime, but this unfortunate situation is by no means confined to Republican players in our political system.

Folks, we will soon realize, as a country, that we are in for the fight of our lives over influence, natural resources, economics, and safety. During WW II many orders were dispatched by our government to 'tune' our economy to support a war footing. This administration instead has done little more than assist its wealthy patrons in profiteering at every turn instead of solving problems and serving the American people.

Where is a Harry Truman for the modern age?

These idiots are sorely in need of a good old-fashined Missouri cussin!

:mad2:

[LVMarauder]

Its 3.65 up here in Santa Barbara

Mac- When its on the red line you have 2 gallons left, and will take about 16.9-17 to fill.

[SergntMac]

Gas prices are too cheap, I hope they rise another couple dollars before summer.Dude...You are just too funny.

[shannon corkill]

It is so much fun firing up people's political views. During the 90s the EPA had Clinton support and shut down non EPA compliant refineries and not a single new refinery was built.
I don't even want to touch the whole ethanol issue.
I completely agree that is not just a Clinton thing...it is a political greed issue....Self-induced inflation of the prices. The funny thing is our oil doesn't just come the gulf. Mexico and Venezuela are major contributors. We need to be cautious of the environment and do exploration of the states and build new refineries now as they take several years to make....just my 2 cents

It is getting cheaper to run 100 octane vs 92 octane

Gas is over $4.00 on Coronado! BTW

[Jolly Roger]

Sunoco 93---$3.05 per gal. in Cleveland, Ohio.:o

[Matt Johnson]

I'm seeing my low fuel light more recently than ever, but I know that once I cross the 300 mile mark on my trip odometer, it's time to shop by price.

Typically, once the light comes on, the needle says "very empty", yet it takes 15.7 to 16.2 gallons, depending on the sensivity of the pump. So, I know that once I see the light, I have 2-3 gallons left to shop on.

One of these days, I'm going to run it dry, just to see what a bone dry fuel tank holds. Specs say it's a 19 gallon tank, but I have never pumped over 17 gallons...In either MM.

I usually 'fill up' with 15.5-15.9 gals. I've never seen 16.

[jimlam56]

The price is what it is.

Pay drive and enjoy.

What IS the price anyway?
Never even look...
Until we come up with an alternative fuel, the price is the price...
Hydrogen Marauder? naah... Biodeisel Marauder? naah... Hybrid Marau...oh never mind.

[Larry Staunton]

A cousin in Sweden e-mailed me today that he is paying the equivalent of $6.16 per gallon. We're not so bad off.

[Bigdogjim]

What IS the price anyway?

In the Trenton, New Jersey area about $3.29 hi-test!

[KillJoy]

Here in my area of Columbus, cheap stuff is regularly $2.65. Premium (93) = $.20 more.

Price goes up Tuesday and comes back down Friday-ish. Right now it is $2.89 for the cheap.

KillJoy

[Dark_Knight7096]

The Shell station on Lalor street in Trenton, 3.11 for V-Power, getty right down the street 3.07 for premium.

On another note, I hate gas prices as much as the next person but think about it logically. Say you drive an SUV that gets 10mpg right, and say gas is 5 bux a gallon. Go outside put that SUV in neutral and push it for ten miles, then come back and tell me you wouldn't be willing to pay five bux to not have to do that again. Yes it sucks and in a big way, but when you think about it that way, 3.119, or even 3.999 is not all that much to pay to have a Marauder cart you 20 or so miles in style.

As a personal side not, I will NEVER, EVER, EVER,EVER, EVER get gas from SUNOCO again. They used to have 4 grades in NJ, Regular (87), Mid-grade (89), Premium (93), and Ultra (94). Regular, Mid-grade, and Premium were all reflective of other gas stations around them but Ultra was always 10 cents more expensive. Well in Jersey SUNOCO did away with Ultra 94, so the other day when I saw SUNOCOs premium at 2 cents cheaper than anywhere elses I stopped (in my SUPERCHARGED grand prix mind you) and told them to fill it with premium. The guy said, you have a supercharger, shouldn't you get the Ultra, I turned to him and was about to say, wait you guys don't have Ultra anymore when I noticed, they do. Premium is now 91 octane and the same price as everyone elses premium, Ultra is now 93 octane and AT LEAST 10 cents, usually 15 or 20 cents more per gallon than anyone elses 93 octane. I feel this is unfair business practice so for my own personal reasons, I refuse to patronize SUNOCO anymore, unless i'm 2 seconds from running out of gas and they are the only station around. Ok, rant over.

[jgc61sr2002]

Gas prices are too cheap, I hope they rise another couple dollars before summer.



:D :lol: :lol: :bop:

[Big House]

DAM right!!!!!


The price is what it is.

Pay drive and enjoy.

[BAD MERC]

I feel ya! Instead of putting prices they should read; Regular: LOL, Mid Grade: OMG, and Premium: WTF!!!!

[Marauderjack]

As long as prices are where they are..."Shale Oil" is an economical way to keep OPEC and the rest of the renegades in line!!:beer: We have plenty of it in the West but at <$2.50 a gallon it was not cost effective....stay tuned as the story unfolds!!:cool:

A side note: My neighbor got a Shell CC and for 60 days ALL Shell fuel purchases net you a 15% rebate and after 60 day 5% forever....Do the math...BEST DEAL AROUND...especially when the Shell station is close to a discount store!! Give it a try.....I have accumulated $396.00 in rebates since 11-5-05!!:bows:

Marauderjack:D

[jerrym3]

If it were just the increased "cost per gallon" price that we have to pay, most of us could probably live with it.

But, it's the trickle effect to everything that uses oil in its manufacture or delivery.

I hate to admit it, but there really isn't anything wrong with a company charging a price that the buying public will pay. That's our economic system.

The problem is that there's really no competition in the oil industry to keep prices at a minimum level.

I have five cars (two classics, two drivers, and one for every now and then top down cruising). All five have eight cylinder motors. I'm as much to blame as the folks who bought bigger and bigger SUVs because it was cool.

While I will not be buying a new car for a while, my next car purchase will have miles per gallon factored in my choice.

[Leadfoot281]

At $70+/barrel of crude oil, that should encourage others to drill for oil. When supply goes up, prices come down.

Or economy is an energy based economy (not gold anymore). What a countries currency can buy in oil, is what the value of their currency is worth.

OPEC seems to think that they can buy more goods with Euros than Dollars. They are clearly trying to destroy the US economically. (hence the war in Iraq, and soon, Iran).

The Saudi royal family likes squeezing us into economic chaos. They fear a western friendly climate over there. The "war" isn't about terrorism. It's about eventually destoying us economically.

When China pays $75/barrel they are directly taking a shot at us, in an attempt to destroy our economy. What's the cure? Abolish ALL income taxes.

It's a global bidding war over "energy" or "enery dollars". How much will we pay?

[1 Bad Merc]

We could easily abolish income taxes if we put a tariff on all import goods! Think of the money we could raise! You would then basically pay your income taxes when you bought things instead of based on your salary! What a novel concept. Funny .... it used to be that way until FDR changed it in the 30's.

This thing about Democrats or Republicans is also very foolish. By the time these guys get to Washington they are already bought and paid for by the many PACs and Corporations that have donated to their campaign funds. They are all crooks who really dont give a dam about the American people anymore. Do you really think the cost of gas is bothering them as they jet around the country on a private companies' airplane? They are talking about the gas and immigration issues because they know they are hot button issues but who would like to make me a bet that they dont do anything meaningful about either of them. Until we as a people wise up to this and start voting against these incumbent crooks then all I can say is we get what we deserve.

I am also tired of hearing about how Europeans pay more for gas and I should consider myself lucky. The size difference alone between the US and Europe is huge. Some of these European countries could fit inside a couple of our states! That's why the majority of Europeans use mass transit to get to work....because their distances are so very short!. Alot of Europeans dont even own cars and if they do it is usually only one! They also use the large amount of gas taxes that they do collect to fund the mass transit systems. I once read that the proposed Amtrak connection from Chicago to St. Louis would cost around 1.2 Billion dollars. I'll bet you could build a whole transit system to cover the Netherlands for that amount. Plus, add in the factor that most of the European Countries are now green type countries and most of their gas needs are imported (with applicable import tariffs...Duh) and you start to get the picture. I have first hand knowledge of this as I had to work in the UK for 3 months and was able to take numerous trains to and from work as well as to Liverpool and Manchester for nights out. I also took trains,buses and ferry's to different European countries and never felt the need to rent a car. Not trying to flame anyone but enough on the Europe gas cost thing.

Soapbox is ended.

[hitchhiker]

At $70+/barrel of crude oil, that should encourage others to drill for oil. When supply goes up, prices come down.

Or economy is an energy based economy (not gold anymore). What a countries currency can buy in oil, is what the value of their currency is worth.

OPEC seems to think that they can buy more goods with Euros than Dollars. They are clearly trying to destroy the US economically. (hence the war in Iraq, and soon, Iran).

The Saudi royal family likes squeezing us into economic chaos. They fear a western friendly climate over there. The "war" isn't about terrorism. It's about eventually destoying us economically.

When China pays $75/barrel they are directly taking a shot at us, in an attempt to destroy our economy. What's the cure? Abolish ALL income taxes.

It's a global bidding war over "energy" or "enery dollars". How much will we pay?

Kinda makes me think that we should have let Saddam continue his role as the junk yard dog of the Middle East until the Saudis were screaming for help rather than prempting Saddams actions.

The Saudis might have appreciated us, instead of rewarding us with Muslim bombers and terrorists.

I say nuke the bastards and take their damn oil, but that will never happen as long as the Bush family and others in their orbit are making so much money from the high oil prices. How much have the Saudis deposited in Bush's offshore accounts by now? It is getting very difficult to tell politicians from large scale drug dealers!

The curent disintegration of our national strength is not going to be halted as long as those in our country's leadership positions care only about lining their own pockets.

:D

[grzellmer]

Filled up just now for 3.21 in MKE, WI

Blackfork

Come on out to Waukesha. We've got premium at $3.02 a gallon. For almost 20 cents a gallon its almost worth the trip!

Z

[Leadfoot281]

"the Saudis lining Bushes pockets in off-shore accounts".

Lol! You certainly have the desire to be a conspiracy theorist, but you totally lack the imagination needed to be truely successful (like Art Bell or Charlie Sheen :rolleyes: ).

I can think of at least 100 ways to make millions or even billions of dollars as president, without going to war, or even raising a single eyebrow.

[hitchhiker]

"the Saudis lining Bushes pockets in off-shore accounts".

Lol! You certainly have the desire to be a conspiracy theorist, but you totally lack the imagination needed to be truely successful (like Art Bell or Charlie Sheen :rolleyes: ).

I can think of at least 100 ways to make millions or even billions of dollars as president, without going to war, or even raising a single eyebrow.

How do you explain the US lack of actions against the Saudis when they provided the majority of the 9/11 terrorists?

I say that if is smells like a ___ then it probably is a ___!

Regards,

Dave

:D

[Leadfoot281]

How do you explain the Clinton administrations lack of action against them after the first World Trade Center bombing, US Cole, embasy bombings, etc...

Clearly, it had to have been an international conspiracy to line his pockets with "protection" money. It's sooooo obvious......:rolleyes:

This sort of thing has been going on for a long time. Remember when former hat salesman Harry S Truman nuked Japan because of his "connections" with the hat industry (aka "Big Hat") and their fear of the Japanesse head wear industry?

Want proof? So do I! Until then, this subject belongs on Art Bell.com.:)

[hitchhiker]

How do you explain the Clinton administrations lack of action against them after the first World Trade Center bombing, US Cole, embasy bombings, etc...

Clearly, it had to have been an international conspiracy to line his pockets with "protection" money. It's sooooo obvious......:rolleyes:

This sort of thing has been going on for a long time. Remember when former hat salesman Harry S Truman nuked Japan because of his "connections" with the hat industry (aka "Big Hat") and their fear of the Japanesse head wear industry?

Want proof? So do I! Until then, this subject belongs on Art Bell.com.:)

Do you have even a clue or are you just into trying to bait people?

Clinton has been out of office a long time.

The current questionable (elections stolen in FLA OH, and IN) President is responsible now.

:D

[ezratty]

2.99 in Mahwah NJ this afternoon and full service is state law.

[shannon corkill]

This is why I love discussions like this and our country---People can speak their mind and no government agency is going to track you down and throw you in a political prison...Keep on with the angry replies :)

[MENINBLK]

I hate to admit it, but there really isn't anything wrong with a company charging a price that the buying public will pay. That's our economic system.

I wasn't going to bring this up but now that you've said it,
there is an answer to the gas prices...
I read it in a post on another board.
Here it is...

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This is a great idea, read it though to the end it makes sense.

This makes a lot of sense/ Dont stop reading it until the end!
It makes a very good point!!!


A man eats two eggs each morning for breakfast.
When he goes to the grocery store he pays .60 cents a dozen.
Since a dozen eggs won't last a week he normally buys two dozen at a time.

One day while buying eggs he notices that the price has risen to 72 cents.
The next time he buys groceries, eggs are .76 cents a dozen.
When he asked the owner to explain the price of eggs, the store owner says,
"the price has gone up and I have to raise my price accordingly".

This store buys 100 dozen eggs a day.
I checked around for a better price and all the distributors have raised their prices.
The distributors have begun to buy from the huge egg farms.
The small egg farms have been driven out of business.
The huge egg farms sells 100,000 dozen eggs a day to distributors.
With no competition, they can set the price as they see fit.
The distributors then have to raise their prices to the grocery stores.
And on and on and on. As the man kept buying eggs the price kept going up.

He saw the big egg trucks delivering 100 dozen eggs each day.
Nothing changed there.

He checked out the huge egg farms and found they were selling
100,000 dozen eggs to the distributors daily.
Nothing had changed but the price of eggs.

The week before Thanksgiving the price of eggs shot up to $1.00 a dozen.
Again he asked the grocery owner why and was told, "cakes and baking for the holiday".
The huge egg farmers know there will be a lot of baking going on and
more eggs will be used.
Hence, the price of eggs goes up. Expect the same thing at Christmas
and other times when family cooking, baking, etc. happen.

This pattern continues until the price of eggs is 2.00 a dozen.
The man says, "there must be something we can do about the price of eggs".
He starts talking to all the people in his town and they decide to stop
buying eggs.
This didn't work because everyone needed eggs.
Finally, the man suggested only buying just what you need.

He ate 2 eggs a day. On the way home from work he would stop at the grocery and buy two eggs.
Everyone in town started buying 2 or 3 eggs a day.

The grocery store owner began complaining that he had too many eggs in his
cooler.
He told the distributor that he didn't need any eggs.
Maybe wouldn't need any all week.

The distributor had eggs piling up at his warehouse.
He told the huge egg farms that he didn't have any room for eggs
and would not need any for at least two weeks.

At the egg farm, the chickens just kept on laying eggs.

To relieve the pressure, the huge egg farm told the distributor that they
could buy the eggs at a lower price.
The distributor said, " I don't have the room for the %$&^*&% eggs even if they were free".
The distributor told the grocery store owner that he would lower the price of
the eggs
if the store would start buying again.
The grocery store owner said, "I don't have room for more eggs.
The customers are only buy 2 or 3 eggs at a time.
Now if you were to drop the price of eggs back down to the original price,
the customers would start buying by the dozen again."

The distributors sent that proposal to the huge egg farmers.
They liked the price they were getting for their eggs,
but them chickens just kept on laying more and more eggs.

Finally, the egg farmers lowered the price of their eggs, but only a few cents.
The customers still bought 2 or 3 eggs at a time.
Customers said, "When the price of eggs gets down to where it was before,
we will start buying by the dozen."

Slowly the price of eggs started dropping.
The distributors had to slash their prices to make room for the eggs coming from the egg farmers.
The egg farmers cut their prices because the distributors wouldn't buy at a higher price than they were selling eggs for.
Anyway, they had full warehouses and wouldn't need eggs for quite a while.
And them chickens kept on laying.

Eventually, the egg farmers cut their prices because they were throwing away
eggs they couldn't sell.
The distributors started buying again because the eggs were priced
to where the stores could afford to sell them at the lower price.

And the customers starting buying by the dozen again.

Now, transpose this analogy to the gasoline in 10 Gallons.
What if everyone only bought 10 gallons worth of gas each time they pulled to the pump.
The dealers tanks would stay semi full all the time.
The dealers wouldn't have room for the gas coming from the huge tank farms.
The tank farms wouldn't have room for the gas coming from the refining plants.
And the refining plants wouldn't have room for the oil being off loaded from the huge tankers coming from the Middle East.
Just 10 gallons each time you buy gas... Don't fill it up.
You may have to stop for gas twice a week but, the price should come down.

Think about it.
Just 10 Gallons.

As an added note.....
When I buy 10 gallons of gas, that leaves my tank a little under half full.
The way prices are jumping around, you can buy gas for $2.65 a gallon and then the next morning it can be $2.15.
If you have your tank full of $2.65 gas you don't have room for the $2.15 gas.
You might not understand the economics of only buying two eggs at a time but,
you can't buy cheaper gas if your tank is full of the high priced stuff.

Also, don't buy anything else at the gas station, don't give them any more of
your hard earned money
than what you spend on gas, until the prices come D O W N.......

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Driving on a half a tank of gas also lightens your vehicle.
The worst thing that could happen is you get more mileage out of the fuel you do buy.

[MENINBLK]

At $70+/barrel of crude oil, that should encourage others to drill for oil. When supply goes up, prices come down.

MORE SUPPLY IS NOT THE ANSWER.

[Leadfoot281]

MORE SUPPLY IS NOT THE ANSWER.

It works on cars. Why are '71 Hemi Cuda's so expensive? Supply and demand! If Mopar made a million of them, do you think we'd see the current asking prices for these cars?

Let's all just stop buying Hemi Cudas til the prices comes down.

Actually, let's just blame "big oil".

The "Mom and Pop oil" gas stations is where I get my gas. You see, while Pop is out back, tending to his little oil feild, Mom runs the little refinery the local blacksmith built behind the gas station, while Junior runs the store and pumps the gas. Stop by on Sundays! Maybe Granny will have an apple pie cooling on the window sill.

Gas at "Mom and Pop oil" was $.25/ gallon til OSHA, EPA, IRS, INS, DNR, BLM, OPEC, the free market economy (ie Capitolism), the Tri-lateral commision, Bilderburgers, and Uncle Sam got involved.

[jerrym3]

If we only buy ten gallons of gas instead of twenty, and drive the same miles, wouldn't we just be making more trips to the gas station?

Wouldn't it even out in the end?