Kenne Bell Ordered!

[Zack]

Yep, ordered the 99-01 Cobra/03-04 Mach 1 Kit.
I decontented the kit drastically, due to me having a lot of parts already. I got a good deal and it will work just fine with the 98 cobra timing cover on the engine.
Now remember, I have a STOCK MOTOR back in the car. This will be an awesome test to see just how much power the Kenne Bell will make and of course I will pound the hell out of it.
I wanted to get a 2.6L Blowzilla or even a 2.4 but they are only tailored to Cobras with a dual belt system. So I resorted to the 2.2L Blowzilla. With the 10:1 Compression, I dont think I will have any problems.
I ordered the kit with around 13 lbs of boost and an 8 rib pulley. I was told to expect everything in 3-4 weeks, due to the wild popularity of Kenne Bell products.
Yes, the intake tract will be on the passenger side. A bracket is provided to relocate the alternator so it faces backwards. Im still toying with the idea of moving the battery to the other side of the engine compartment so I can make a traffic lane for the cold air kit. We will see what happens when I get everything.
Im also getting a Cobra lower intake with a modified Cobra intercooler. I already have 2 heat exchangers on the car and a coolant pump so I removed those items from the kit. I know for a fact I will have to modify the coolant crossover tube that comes with the kit because it is supplied with the upper radiator hose tube on the passenger side. No problem, that is the only welding that will be needed.
I cant wait, I will actually document this install and post pics as progress is made. Another chapter in the book of 'Stupid Fast'

[MM2004]

Yep, ordered the 99-01 Cobra/03-04 Mach 1 Kit.
I decontented the kit drastically, due to me having a lot of parts already. I got a good deal and it will work just fine with the 98 cobra timing cover on the engine.
Now remember, I have a STOCK MOTOR back in the car. This will be an awesome test to see just how much power the Kenne Bell will make and of course I will pound the hell out of it.
I wanted to get a 2.6L Blowzilla or even a 2.4 but they are only tailored to Cobras with a dual belt system. So I resorted to the 2.2L Blowzilla. With the 10:1 Compression, I dont think I will have any problems.
I ordered the kit with around 13 lbs of boost and an 8 rib pulley. I was told to expect everything in 3-4 weeks, due to the wild popularity of Kenne Bell products.
Yes, the intake tract will be on the passenger side. A bracket is provided to relocate the alternator so it faces backwards. Im still toying with the idea of moving the battery to the other side of the engine compartment so I can make a traffic lane for the cold air kit. We will see what happens when I get everything.
Im also getting a Cobra lower intake with a modified Cobra intercooler. I already have 2 heat exchangers on the car and a coolant pump so I removed those items from the kit. I know for a fact I will have to modify the coolant crossover tube that comes with the kit because it is supplied with the upper radiator hose tube on the passenger side. No problem, that is the only welding that will be needed.
I cant wait, I will actually document this install and post pics as progress is made. Another chapter in the book of 'Stupid Fast'

You suck Zack! :D

Details on the install with pics is essential.

Good luck!

Mike.

[KillJoy]

With the 10:1 Compression, I dont think I will have any problems.

I always heard lower compression = better for boost. Why the high boost levels w/ stock compression?

Have I been mis-informed, or am I just missing something?

KillJoy

PS - Congrats on the purchase! Can't wait to see the modification and install pics!

[martyo]

Those are nice blowers. This should be a sweet set up. Good luck.

[Zack]

I always heard lower compression = better for boost. Why the high boost levels w/ stock compression?

Have I been mis-informed, or am I just missing something?

KillJoy

PS - Congrats on the purchase! Can't wait to see the modification and install pics!

Yes Yes and Yes.
You are a homo as well http://www.modularpowerhouse.com/forums/images/smilies/leghump.gifhttp://www.modularpowerhouse.com/forums/images/smilies/itsok.gif

[KillJoy]

Zack, you're just jealous MY car runs!

KillJoy

[FordNut]

Yes Yes and Yes.
You are a homo as well http://www.modularpowerhouse.com/forums/images/smilies/leghump.gifhttp://www.modularpowerhouse.com/forums/images/smilies/itsok.gif
You been hanging around with Tim too much...

[FordNut]

Now remember, I have a STOCK MOTOR back in the car.
Just wondering why you did this???

[DEFYANT]

Nice!

What will the fuel system consist of?

Thanks for the new project!

Good luck!

[Zack]

Just wondering why you did this???

Because my forged motor from PER made less power than a stock motor.
You should have seen the junk machine work when it got ripped down.
I have another forged shortblock waiting.

[Rider90]

Because my forged motor from PER made less power than a stock motor.
You should have seen the junk machine work when it got ripped down.
I have another forged shortblock waiting.
You're the second guy I've heard say negative things about PER.

[snowbird]

Wow. A Kenny Bell. Very interesting. I'm suscribing !! Congrats

[juno]

The stock compression does limit the boost, but 13-15 psi should be no problem.

Nice kit Zack, I had been eyeing that myself but KB does not usually sell kits except for exact applications. I guess in the case of the Blowzilla's these are more like 'tuner' kits.
Best of luck, that will be a beastie!!


I always heard lower compression = better for boost. Why the high boost levels w/ stock compression?

Have I been mis-informed, or am I just missing something?

KillJoy

PS - Congrats on the purchase! Can't wait to see the modification and install pics!

[MitchB]

Do you plan on having this dyno tuned? By whom? This should be a great setup for the Marauder. Good luck.

Mitch

[Smokie]

Because my forged motor from PER made less power than a stock motor.
You should have seen the junk machine work when it got ripped down.
I have another forged shortblock waiting.

The forged motor, all else being equal has to make less power, the rotating mass weighs more, obviously you saw something you didn't like. Can you tells us or show us what you saw that did not impress you?

[MarauderTJA]

Will be very interesting in seeing your progress with your set up...

[Zack]

The forged motor, all else being equal has to make less power, the rotating mass weighs more, obviously you saw something you didn't like. Can you tells us or show us what you saw that did not impress you?

The machine work was garbage and he used steel retainers in the heads instead of titanium.
It was stroked to 5.0 liters, valve job, 10:1 compression, 16 lbs of boost as compared to my previous 10lbs. Upgraded to a T-Trim blower.
Gained 1 horsepower and 20 pounds of torque.
Like I said, the motor was junk.

[O's Fan Rich]

The machine work was garbage and he used steel retainers in the heads instead of titanium.
It was stroked to 5.0 liters, valve job, 10:1 compression, 16 lbs of boost as compared to my previous 10lbs. Upgraded to a T-Trim blower.
Gained 1 horsepower and 20 pounds of torque.
Like I said, the motor was junk.

That's just freaking sad, right there.
Did you get some sort of satisfaction from them?
PER ? Acronym for whom? How does one avoid this Noid?

[SergntMac]

You're the second guy I've heard say negative things about PER.You don't ger out much, do you.

There are four of us here and dozens in the area who got ripped. I was the first, then Zack. The other two can out themselves if they wish.

1) I did not get the quality machine work on the block that I paid for. Piston-to-cylinder wall clearance was set at .0045, which may be okay for full time race engine that gets freshened up 15 passes, but it's "Grand Canyon" like clearance in a street engine. Thus, pistons rattled, and the skirts gouged the cylinder walls. The engine eventually came to burn/throw 1 quart of oil every 350 miles. In the end, gents, it was literally spiting engine oil out the exhaust.

2) Heads/block were not decked at all, and the head gaskets on both between 2-3 and 6-7 cylinders blew out. Cam girdles were stripped out and repaired with SAE "almost fit" bolts coated in RVT.

3) Valve cover oil baffles were taken/left out, causing oil to splash and slosh into the PVC system, and recirculate into the blower. I corrected this myself, but long term damage had been done.

4) In my case (and one other victim) the wrong pistons were installed. JE forged aluminum 8.5:1. This is not what I asked, or, paid for, despite the effort to doctor invoices.

Last March, I had enough and asked Zack for help. We pulled the engine, broke it down, found all the errors and set out to build it right ourselves. Not only was it cheaper, but I am making more power than ever, and from less boost. Better MPG, zero oil loss, the car has never been faster. Many thanks to Zack, and Chris @ Van Drunen Ford as well.

The 1x is up and running better than ever now, but the real story here, is the one slick con-man who defrauded us all. If y'all knew who the others were, you would agree that as a group, we are not stupid people. But, sometimes it's not easy to detect a liar, and the man puts on a good show. We learned more about him, after he took our money.

I know someone will ask "didn't you check his referrences?", our attroney asked too. And yes, we did. Perhaps the proprietor was legit and good at his trade when the business was young, Lord knows he owns all the right tools. But, some time since then the business turned. It remains a business today because the proprietor banks on the fact that the engines he builds are bought by a younger crowd who constantly push the edge and break things before they are deteced as inferior.

This is in litigation now, but it's going to be a difficult path. Anytime the word "race" is used in a sentence, folks forget what "fraud" means.

[Rider90]

You don't ger out much, do you?
Is that more fun than getting out?

[Zack]

Ive decided to install the air box assembly from the Vortech/Procharger Air to Air kit. This way the MAF harness can stay where its at, it will draw somewhat cool air and I will have a pipe made from the MAF to the Throttle body.

[mclemore102]

Congrats on the purchase!:banana: I can't wait to see it and hear it:D

[SergntMac]

Is that more fun than getting out? You bet...You meet some of the nicest people in Small Claims court.

[SergntMac]

Ive decided to install the air box assembly from the Vortech/Procharger Air to Air kit. This way the MAF harness can stay where its at, it will draw somewhat cool air and I will have a pipe made from the MAF to the Throttle body. Okay, I see what you're saying...Will you still have to relocate the battery?

[HotrodMerc]

Yep, ordered the 99-01 Cobra/03-04 Mach 1 Kit.
I decontented the kit drastically, due to me having a lot of parts already. I got a good deal and it will work just fine with the 98 cobra timing cover on the engine.
Now remember, I have a STOCK MOTOR back in the car. This will be an awesome test to see just how much power the Kenne Bell will make and of course I will pound the hell out of it.
I wanted to get a 2.6L Blowzilla or even a 2.4 but they are only tailored to Cobras with a dual belt system. So I resorted to the 2.2L Blowzilla.
With the 10:1 Compression, I dont think I will have any problems.
I ordered the kit with around 13 lbs of boost and an 8 rib pulley. I was told to expect everything in 3-4 weeks, due to the wild popularity of Kenne Bell products.
Yes, the intake tract will be on the passenger side. A bracket is provided to relocate the alternator so it faces backwards. Im still toying with the idea of moving the battery to the other side of the engine compartment so I can make a traffic lane for the cold air kit. We will see what happens when I get everything. ......

I cant wait, I will actually document this install and post pics as progress is made. Another chapter in the book of 'Stupid Fast'

Zack, I am really happy to see that you are doing this, in anticipation that you might develop it into more of a bolt-on kit. I have been waiting for Jim Bell to decide to do a MM kit, but have realized that may never happen.
I have also been thinking about the ProCharger kit, but I like the low-end torque of the twin screw charger. Based on all of the articles i see about the K-Bell kit on the '03-'04 Cobras, it is surprising to me that i don't see more tuners using his stuff, and more of them on the street, at least in this part of the country. My 10 yr. old 306 in the Mustang makes 375 lb.ft. at 2000 rpm with an 8 psi kit/ 6 rib belt; peaks at 415 lb.ft. at about 3,700 rpm. IMO, this is what the 4,200 lb. MM needs in order to be a better grocery getter.

What octane do you plan on using, and if it is over 91, what amount of boost would you use for 91 octane?
Also, would you mind elaborating on the heat exchangers and coolant pump you have already? Are you referring to an intercooling system previously installed? Thanks, and i have already subscribed to your thread. HRM

[HotrodMerc]

You don't ger out much, do you.

There are four of us here and dozens in the area who got ripped. I was the first, then Zack. The other two can out themselves if they wish.

1)
I did not get the quality machine work on the block that I paid for. ......

The 1x is up and running better than ever now, but the real story here, is the one slick con-man who defrauded us all. If y'all knew who the others were, you would agree that as a group, we are not stupid people. But, sometimes it's not easy to detect a liar, and the man puts on a good show. We learned more about him, after he took our money.


I know someone will ask "didn't you check his referrences?", our attroney asked too. And yes, we did. Perhaps the proprietor was legit and good at his trade when the business was young, Lord knows he owns all the right tools. But, some time since then the business turned. It remains a business today because the proprietor banks on the fact that the engines he builds are bought by a younger crowd who constantly push the edge and break things before they are deteced as inferior.

This is in litigation now, but it's going to be a difficult path. Anytime the word "race" is used in a sentence, folks forget what "fraud" means.

This very type of thing quite unfortunately happens way too much, and is no random error of omission. There are a lot of people being similarly burned on things such as house construction, with the builders being protected by state legislators. Sorry about the divergence, but Sarge's engine story is a good tip of the reality iceberg. By the way, my built engine has never used oil, but has a lot of running problems, and vibration i didn't expect that is probablyl eating up 40-50 rwhp. HRM

[Zack]

What octane do you plan on using, and if it is over 91, what amount of boost would you use for 91 octane?
Also, would you mind elaborating on the heat exchangers and coolant pump you have already? Are you referring to an intercooling system previously installed? Thanks, and i have already subscribed to your thread. HRM

Im gonna bolt everything to a stock motor with 93 octane. Once everything is where I want it, Ill pull the motor and put the forged motor back in (If its done by then) Ill run about 12lbs of boost from the get go.

As for the intercooler, I have the Vortech Air to water set up from Dennis. 2 1/2 gallon reservoir going through a Griffin heat exchanger, out to the intercooler. From the intercooler to a B&M stacked plate transmission cooler then back to the reservoir.

[shakes_26]

Good idea on the stack plate cooler, but with that setup (multiple coolers) what intercooler pump will you use? The standard Lightning/Cobra/ Bosch (FRPP) might not flow enough with those multiple restrictions.




As for the intercooler, I have the Vortech Air to water set up from Dennis. 2 1/2 gallon reservoir going through a Griffin heat exchanger, out to the intercooler. From the intercooler to a B&M stacked plate transmission cooler then back to the reservoir.

[Zack]

Good idea on the stack plate cooler, but with that setup (multiple coolers) what intercooler pump will you use? The standard Lightning/Cobra/ Bosch (FRPP) might not flow enough with those multiple restrictions.

Believe it or not, after the addition of the stacked plate cooler, I saw my inlet temps drop by 10 degrees.
It is a good idea though to upgrade to the Lightning pump.

[shakes_26]

wow, I knew those were efficient, did you use the stack plate for additional cooling/temp control in colder climates?

What pump did you go with?


Believe it or not, after the addition of the stacked plate cooler, I saw my inlet temps drop by 10 degrees.
It is a good idea though to upgrade to the Lightning pump.

[Zack]

wow, I knew those were efficient, did you use the stack plate for additional cooling/temp control in colder climates?

What pump did you go with?

Basically what i did was add the cooler after the intercooler so the cooland would be cooled before it went back into the reservoir.
This eliminates all heat soak issues.
I have the pump Dennis supplies with the kit. I believe its made in Australia, but I dont know the name.

[ROADWARRIORSVT]

Don't forget the pics when oyu start,...(subscribing)

[Zack]

Ive already started taking pics, but all I did was extend the IAC and TPS harnesses.
Kenne Bell hasnt even billed my credit card yet.
I decided to pull the stock motor back out on Sunday afternoon. Its on a stand right now. This Saturday i will be assemblin my forged shortblock:
Stroked to 5.0, 10:1 Comp. Stock Heads with cams and springs. 1 3/4" Kooks Headers with 3" collectors and full 3" exhaust.
Appx. 18lbs of boost through a 3500 stall converter and 4:10 gears.
I cant wait.

[Tallboy]

Missed this thread while I was in Maine.

[Artie Johnson] "Veddy intedesting"...:beatnik:

[00 Aggie]

Nice, I am very interested in the outcome of this!

[MarauderTJA]

Ive already started taking pics, but all I did was extend the IAC and TPS harnesses.
Kenne Bell hasnt even billed my credit card yet.
I decided to pull the stock motor back out on Sunday afternoon. Its on a stand right now. This Saturday i will be assemblin my forged shortblock:
Stroked to 5.0, 10:1 Comp. Stock Heads with cams and springs. 1 3/4" Kooks Headers with 3" collectors and full 3" exhaust.
Appx. 18lbs of boost through a 3500 stall converter and 4:10 gears.
I cant wait.

Zack, I was wondering why you went with 10.1 compression. With that amount of boost isn't best to go down to 9.1? Is that why you are going with full 3" exhaust? Just curious.

[Zack]

Zack, I was wondering why you went with 10.1 compression. With that amount of boost isn't best to go down to 9.1? Is that why you are going with full 3" exhaust? Just curious.

As long as the car doesnt detonate, it is fine. And it wont!
I went with the 3" exhaust because it is cool! I even scrapped the x-pipe.

[CRUZTAKER]

I went with the 3" exhaust because it is cool! I even scrapped the x-pipe.

...just scare wildlife in a 5 mile radius.:P

[MarauderTJA]

As long as the car doesnt detonate, it is fine. And it wont!
I went with the 3" exhaust because it is cool! I even scrapped the x-pipe.

Cool. Obviously you will have an 100 octane race tune to prevent detonation. Do you anticipate any problems running 93 octane for the street with that amount of boost and compression? Just picking your brain.;)

[juno]

That will be a monster Zack!

[Zack]

Cool. Obviously you will have an 100 octane race tune to prevent detonation. Do you anticipate any problems running 93 octane for the street with that amount of boost and compression? Just picking your brain.;)

The car will run on pump gas on the street.
With this setup, the car should run mid 11's on PUMP GAS. Easily.

[RF Overlord]

Missed this thread while I was in Maine.Chuck, you were that close and you didn't stop down the Cape for a bowl of chowdah with Mary and me? Fine. BE that way... :P

[HotrodMerc]

The car will run on pump gas on the street.
With this setup, the car should run mid 11's on PUMP GAS. Easily.

Zack, thanks for the previous response. Would you mind commenting about this: how much boost would you run on a stock motor if you were limited to 91 octane, and with only a Cobra type intercooler rather than the 3 heat exchangers?

I ask because 91 octane is the highest readily available in my area, it is 45 mi. in an inconvenient direction to the nearest 93 octane, same for 101 race gas.

If I did attempt a K-B install, if instructions & photos were available, i might include the coolers such as you have. Though my mechanical experience is strictly amateur and limited, with enough instruction etc. i may feel comfortable doing the 3 cooler thing, but i don't want to cut up or weld on the car if that is involved, just reversible bolt on stuff. :confused: Thanks again.

[Zack]

Zack, thanks for the previous response. Would you mind commenting about this: how much boost would you run on a stock motor if you were limited to 91 octane, and with only a Cobra type intercooler rather than the 3 heat exchangers?

I ask because 91 octane is the highest readily available in my area, it is 45 mi. in an inconvenient direction to the nearest 93 octane, same for 101 race gas.

If I did attempt a K-B install, if instructions & photos were available, i might include the coolers such as you have. Though my mechanical experience is strictly amateur and limited, with enough instruction etc. i may feel comfortable doing the 3 cooler thing, but i don't want to cut up or weld on the car if that is involved, just reversible bolt on stuff. :confused: Thanks again.
I have 2 heat exchangers on my car.
A stock motor with 91 should run 10lbs of boost.

Anyway, Kenne Bell hasnt even charged my credit card yet! :bigcry: :bigcry:
Hope they didnt forget about me.

[Zack]

It just shipped out of California this morning :banana: :banana: :banana: :beer: :pimp: :rasta:

[Breadfan]

It just shipped out of California this morning :banana: :banana: :banana: :beer: :pimp: :rasta:

Cool. Are you just running an intercooler w/ two heat exchangers? Water/Air? Any meth-injection?

[ROADWARRIORSVT]

Keep us posted!!!:beer: ,....not that I would EVER consider a KB on my MM!:D

[FordNut]

It just shipped out of California this morning :banana: :banana: :banana: :beer: :pimp: :rasta:
Keep us updated!
Gonna tune it yourself or give Tim a shot at it?

[Zack]

Keep us updated!
Gonna tune it yourself or give Tim a shot at it?

Its going to Tim, no doubt.
Unfortunately, I dont have a motor in the car yet to bolt it to. :mad: Very soon though.
The specs will be:
Iron Block, CP Pistons, 10:1 Compression, 5.0 Stroker Kit. Stock Heads with blower cams and good springs. 3500 Stall converter, 4:10 Gears. 18lbs of boost. :bandit:

[MikesMerc]

Its going to Tim, no doubt.
Unfortunately, I dont have a motor in the car yet to bolt it to. :mad: Very soon though.
The specs will be:
Iron Block, CP Pistons, 10:1 Compression, 5.0 Stroker Kit. Stock Heads with blower cams and good springs. 3500 Stall converter, 4:10 Gears. 18lbs of boost. :bandit:

That sounds seriously baddazz:beer:

[00 Aggie]

Why such high compression on a blower motor?

[Zack]

Why such high compression on a blower motor?

Because I can :coolman:

[Mr Johnson]

Cool, should be a beast!

You interested in doing a #002 when yours is up and running?!? :hmmm:

[Zack]

Cool, should be a beast!

You interested in doing a #002 when yours is up and running?!? :hmmm:

You would be #3, right after Mac

[DEFYANT]

Couple of questions...

Will Macs car retain the stock engine?
Are you bringing a new S/C kit to market?

Inquiring minds want to know :D

[Mr Johnson]

You would be #3, right after Mac
But of course... Works for me. :rasta:

[Zack]

Couple of questions...

Will Macs car retain the stock engine?
Are you bringing a new S/C kit to market?

Inquiring minds want to know :D


Yes, Macs car will have the stock engine.

Am I brining a new S/C to the market? No, its Kenne Bells S/C. Anyone can pick up the phone and buy one.

[SergntMac]

Stock engine, with 80K+ miles on the clock to boot.

Conservative boost with an improved intercooler and a safe tune...425 RWHP, 400 RWTQ?

[ROADWARRIORSVT]

Please document what all has to be changed/altered/fabbed to put the KB on a MM. TIA mang,......

[Zack]

Stock engine, with 80K+ miles on the clock to boot.

Conservative boost with an improved intercooler and a safe tune...425 RWHP, 400 RWTQ?

Folks, Mac just agreed to a Kenne Bell!
I didnt even ask him yet. :beer:
And for HP? More like 425hp and 475tq.

[KillJoy]

475tq

DAYUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KillJoy

[O's Fan Rich]

Folks, Mac just agreed to a Kenne Bell!
I didnt even ask him yet. :beer:
And for HP? More like 425hp and 475tq.

Gearing up for November, eh?
Can't wait!:banana:

[Zack]

Gearing up for November, eh?
Can't wait!:banana:

Yeah, but I refuse to butcher my car with a roll cage.
Might be doin a lot of spectating.

[O's Fan Rich]

Yeah, but I refuse to butcher my car with a roll cage.
Might be doin a lot of spectating.
Now, that would be a shame.....
Just save the big blast for the last run....;)

[Breadfan]

Zack what type of intercooler you got planned? Anything special? Or if you tell us will you have to kill us? ;)

[Zack]

Zack what type of intercooler you got planned? Anything special? Or if you tell us will you have to kill us? ;)

The intercooler is a modified Cobra unit.
Kenne Bell supplies it in the kit.

[mad1stgen]

The intercooler is a modified Cobra unit.
Kenne Bell supplies it in the kit.


What's SO modified about it ?

[Zack]

What's SO modified about it ?

The inlet and outlet tubes are cut off and rewelded facing different directions.
Do you have KB on your car?

[mad1stgen]

The inlet and outlet tubes are cut off and rewelded facing different directions.
Do you have KB on your car?

You mean the inlet outlet adapter (bolted to the the manfold) is modified, not the intercooler core itself ?

No, I'm running baby eaton for now. Whipple is next.

[Zack]

Well after coming home to a Fed Ex note saying, "We were here but you were'nt" I got excited enough to go out in the car and scower the town for a half hour to find the truck.
Christmas in July folks, this kit is incredible.
Other than modifying the coolant crossover tube and making a custom air intake pipe, its gonna be straight forward and VERY simple.
Everything runs off of one belt and you can use any timing cover you want.
The install thread starts as soon as I have the engine back in the car.

[martyo]

The install thread starts as soon as I have the engine back in the car.


We want pictures. Lots and lots of pictures.

[juno]

Great news Zac!

Is it possible to install the motor with the SC and intercooler installed, or too risky?

[SergntMac]

Is it possible to install the motor with the SC and intercooler installed, or too risky?Having helped Zack pull a few Marauder engines, I's say it's not a matter of "risky", but much eaiser to install a long block assembly (no intake at all), and build up from there. OTOH, I haven't seen the Kenne Bell lower intake yet. Just my thoughts on it...

[Zack]

Great news Zac!

Is it possible to install the motor with the SC and intercooler installed, or too risky?
The KB will go on after the engine is in.
Mainly to ease the install of the top trans bolts.
The whole KB unit bolts together out of the car. You need two people to get it in place and it is held down by 10 bolts.

[juno]

Having helped Zack pull a few Marauder engines, I's say it's not a matter of "risky", but much eaiser to install a long block assembly (no intake at all), and build up from there. OTOH, I haven't seen the Kenne Bell lower intake yet. Just my thoughts on it...

I took mine out and will put it back in with the intake installed. No issues at all. I would rather do all that work on the stand. But the KB will be higher.

I did see a slick lifting rig that bolts in place of the intake, though. It would make rigging it much easier if the intake is not installed. ROY on the mach site is selling them for $130 I think. I will stick with my rig and leave the intake installed, but someone may be interested.
Here is the link and pics.
http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52256

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/8/6/8/lift1.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/8/6/8/lift2.jpg

[SergntMac]

I took mine out and will put it back in with the intake installed. No issues at all. I would rather do all that work on the stand. But the KB will be higher.

I did see a slick lifting rig that bolts in place of the intake, though. It would make rigging it much easier if the intake is not installed. ROY on the mach site is selling them for $130 I think. I will stick with my rig and leave the intake installed, but someone may be interested.
Here is the link and pics.
http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52256

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/8/6/8/lift1.jpg

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/3/8/6/8/lift2.jpg That is indeed a handy device, thank you.

We never took off a hood on the Marauder pulls, just popped off the supports and stood it straight up while clearing the tight spots and turns. We have to make do with the space available, 1/2 of a 24X24 garage. Getting the car back on the ground is part of that, so no ramps, or taller cherry picker. Zack's got it down to a simple task now, yes, it's all so much easier with the engine out.

Still, it's not as daunting an experience as if first appeared to be.

[Zack]

I dont even need to do anything with the hood now.
It stays right where the hood supports keep it.

[ROADWARRIORSVT]

Has anyone asked KB why they don't make a "kit" for our car. Zack, sounds like there isn't too much R&D here. I just wonder why they didn't make one for the MMs?

[CRUZTAKER]

....(went) out in the car and scower the town for a half hour to find the truck.

Nice! :coolman:

I would have done the same thing.

[SergntMac]

I dont even need to do anything with the hood now.
It stays right where the hood supports keep it. So...I'm fired?

Well, fine.

What..

Ever...

Best way to trim any production line of excess fat is "job erosion." Find a better way to do things...Reduce the task for the sake of efficiency...And cut the left-over useless flab.

I get all this, no prob. I'll be dropping by for my last pay check when I get back from my "gon fishun" weekend.

[MI2QWK4U]

This is one slick plan. I for one cant wait to see it Zack. That is the very unit I have planned for the Mach 1. Good luck with the install. If its done in time, some of us would love to see it at the Woodward Dream Cruise. Man oh man...with that engine, that blower...what a rocket!

[MikesMerc]

I'm looking forward to the "Install Thread" :banana:

[Zack]

This is one slick plan. I for one cant wait to see it Zack. That is the very unit I have planned for the Mach 1. Good luck with the install. If its done in time, some of us would love to see it at the Woodward Dream Cruise. Man oh man...with that engine, that blower...what a rocket!

Just checked the dates.
There is no way the car will be done by then.
The actual wrenching might be done, but keep in mind Im taking it to Georgia along with my buddy and his KB'd GT to be tuned at Modularpowerhouse.
Hell the motor thats going in it is in pieces on the builders floor.
im busy Modding the crossover tube right now so I can get it to powdercoat.
That is the only piece that needs to be fabbed.

[MikesMerc]

Just checked the dates.
There is no way the car will be done by then.


Well, pictures will have to do. Lots of pictures:D

[Zack]

Im picking the engine up tonight.
Work starts this weekend!!!!!!!
Look for the official KB install thread next week.

[ROADWARRIORSVT]

Kool !!!!!!!!

[juno]

Excellent news Zack!
Frankenstein comes alive!!!!!

[Zack]

I got the engine last night.
Saturday Morning I will:
Install Valve Covers, Cooling Mod, Timing Cover, Dampener.
Then I will put it in the car!
Sunday is everything under the car including Kooks.
The rest is easy.

[jay03merc]

will the throttle and cruise controll cables reach or work with it on the pass.side???? i would also like to have a kb on my merc.thanks

[Zack]

will the throttle and cruise controll cables reach or work with it on the pass.side???? i would also like to have a kb on my merc.thanks

Everything will reach.
I am pretty sure the IAC and TPS wires will reach too.
I already modified the wiring harness in preparation.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/4/0/4/DSC01633.JPG

[STLR FN]

Look at all the pretty spaghetti. :)
Otherwise looks good Zack and waiting to see the install thread.

[SergntMac]

Look at all the pretty spaghetti.That's just the tach wires...Wait till you see his vacuum hose setup.

[juno]

Zack,

Are you going with a 160 or 180 degree thermostat with that kit?

[Zack]

Just as soon as I dropped the engine in this morning, I realized I got a Mustang oil pan that was hitting the crossmember.
The project is set back a little.
Ill be on the dyno in 2 weeks.

[FordNut]

Just as soon as I dropped the engine in this morning, I realized I got a Mustang oil pan that was hitting the crossmember.
The project is set back a little.
Ill be on the dyno in 2 weeks.
Implication there is that the Moroso or Canton pans won't work since they're for 'stangs.

[ROADWARRIORSVT]

Minor set-back. No project of mine has gone 100% smooth.