Dodge Daytona And 300c

[MdnightMarauder]

HAS ANYONE RACED A DAYTONA OR A HEMI C. I HAVE RACED BOTH. DONT GET ME WRONG THEY ARE FAST CARS BUT THEY CANT HANDLE THE MARAUDER. HELL YEAH! I TOOK BOTH OF THEM AND ALL I HAVE DONE IS A K&N INTAKE. THEY KEPT UP ON MY ASS BUT I WAS OUT FRONT. THEN THE GUY IN THE 300C PULLED NEXT TO ME AND I TOLD HIM GOOD RUN. AND HE SAID THAT HE LIKED THE MARAUDER. I PROCEEDED WITH A HELL YEAH!!! THEN I TOLD HIM HE HAS A FULL LITER ON ME AND HE DIDN'T LOOK HAPPY. YOU MESS WITH THE MARAUDER YOU GET BURNED. :fire:

[blackf0rk]

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By the way, how did you get your screen name with lower and caps like that?

[MdnightMarauder]

Sorry about the caps guys. I'm not sure I just typed it in. Didn't know haveing your caps on was such a big deal.

[Bluerauder]

Didn't know haveing your caps on was such a big deal.
It is the internet equivalent to yelling .... we hear just fine in here !! :rofl:

[RoyLPita]

Great story!! :up:

I would take the "caps on" is beacuse of the excitement of beating two of DC's rear drive performance cars.

[fairlane347]

Yeah I raced the same Charger R/T three times and spanked him every time, he was cool about it though and gave the thumbs up!

[Breadfan]

Last time I was at the track I saw a Charger SRT8, sitting, empty, for hours. I waited and waited but the guy never showed up, I was ready to beat him. :D

[MERCMAN]

It is the internet equivalent to yelling .... we hear just fine in here !! :rofl:


WHAT????:rofl:

[mrjones]

I test drove a Charger RT Daytona a couple of weeks ago, and it made my MM feel VERY sluggish, especially below 3KRPM. My MM is completely stock except for delete tips. I would race one, but I would only want to do it from a 25 or 30 mph roll. That extra 1.1liters of engine makes a huge difference in feel running around town at part throttle.

What really kills me about the Daytona/Magnum is the value compared to our car. My MM stickered for $35,045 4 years ago. The Daytona I drove had all sorts of stuff on it that wasn't even available on the MM for $2K more: Sunroof, Nav, heated seats, even a rear seat DVD system that comes up out of the console.

The Daytona is supposed to have an extra 10hp from a less restrictive intake, and it makes a nice noise when accelerating. I drove a Top Banana, and I really liked that color, but I don't know if I could live with it. The MM gets lots of looks when you drive it, but they're mostly doubletakes. The Top Banana Daytona gets people pulling up beside you staring. The MM is much stealthier, and it has much better shoulder room, which is important to me.

[MdnightMarauder]

I test drove a Charger RT Daytona a couple of weeks ago, and it made my MM feel VERY sluggish, especially below 3KRPM. My MM is completely stock except for delete tips. I would race one, but I would only want to do it from a 25 or 30 mph roll. That extra 1.1liters of engine makes a huge difference in feel running around town at part throttle.

What really kills me about the Daytona/Magnum is the value compared to our car. My MM stickered for $35,045 4 years ago. The Daytona I drove had all sorts of stuff on it that wasn't even available on the MM for $2K more: Sunroof, Nav, heated seats, even a rear seat DVD system that comes up out of the console.

The Daytona is supposed to have an extra 10hp from a less restrictive intake, and it makes a nice noise when accelerating. I drove a Top Banana, and I really liked that color, but I don't know if I could live with it. The MM gets lots of looks when you drive it, but they're mostly doubletakes. The Top Banana Daytona gets people pulling up beside you staring. The MM is much stealthier, and it has much better shoulder room, which is important to me.

Dude it sounds to me that you would rather have a banana than a marauder. If you want one so bad, give your marauder to someone that wants it! I would rather have my sexy marauder than a banana.

[MarauderMark]

Heres my encounter with the 300C before the new motor.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14152&highlight=300c
But now there just toys.I want to run an srt and see.:D

[Marauder.45]

I got both these notches on my belt.

Charger RT Daytona wasn't a blowout, but a sound victory.

[MENINBLK]

300C has us on the bottom end.
Remember they are torquers and not 4 Valve engines.
We have them on the run, when they run outta breath.

We can walk them every time in the long run.

Ford's 4 Valve engines are some of the fastest accelerating engines
regardless of their Horsepower and Torque.

[TripleTransAm]

Remember they are torquers and not 4 Valve engines.
We have them on the run, when they run outta breath.

You sure about that? Not even broken in, and below 3000 RPM it's feeling significantly stronger than the MM's DOHC (below 2000 RPM the new motor still feels a little tight, but that's okay since it doesn't even have 60 miles on the clock yet). Above 3000 there is no comparison. We're talking stock vs. stock, and I don't play the comparison game any other way. (okay, I'll give this much away: the Daytona's PCM way outperforms the regular R/T in some form I've yet to determine, so maybe there's something there besides the extra 10 hp over the regular R/T).

I'll be curious to redo the comparison once the Daytona's accumulated more break-in mileage.

[TripleTransAm]

What really kills me about the Daytona/Magnum is the value compared to our car. My MM stickered for $35,045 4 years ago. The Daytona I drove had all sorts of stuff on it that wasn't even available on the MM for $2K more: Sunroof, Nav, heated seats, even a rear seat DVD system that comes up out of the console.

You are on the money with that comment (no pun intended).

Personal platform preferences aside, I look back at my first acquisition in early spring 2003 and I'm having a hard time understanding what I got for essentially the same amount of money as the new Daytona. Rattly subwoofer, crap Tokicos, sub-engineered BFGs, flat slip/slide seats, hoppy noisy (popping on turns) suspension, spotty construction quality...

Time will tell how the new Chrysler platform will age, but then again I was expecting a little more out of a 90s platform 3 years ago as well...

[teamrope]

Heres my encounter with the 300C before the new motor.
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14152&highlight=300c
But now there just toys.I want to run an srt and see.:D

That thead was a classic Mark. It made me laugh today just as hard as it did back then. :)

[rvaldez1]

You sure about that? Not even broken in, and below 3000 RPM it's feeling significantly stronger than the MM's DOHC (below 2000 RPM the new motor still feels a little tight, but that's okay since it doesn't even have 60 miles on the clock yet). Above 3000 there is no comparison. We're talking stock vs. stock, and I don't play the comparison game any other way. (okay, I'll give this much away: the Daytona's PCM way outperforms the regular R/T in some form I've yet to determine, so maybe there's something there besides the extra 10 hp over the regular R/T).

I'll be curious to redo the comparison once the Daytona's accumulated more break-in mileage.



I agree, we have to compare cars bone stock, its simply not fair to do it otherwise, now I dont wanna step on any toes, but the hemis are faster.
Sorry If I piss anyone off, but I have driven both Marauders, and dodge Hemis, and sorry to say, all other things equal the Hemis blow our cars out of the water stock.

[Big House]

Yeah, I think that goes without saying. The extra engine( 1.1L) makes a difference. I don't think it is an equal comparison when looking at all things considered. I think the Hemi is a few pounds lighter and has us in the power class also. Make the cars comprable in power...the Hemi loses because our engines work well in the higher RPMS. It is nice to get the hole shot but sucks to lose the race.


I agree, we have to compare cars bone stock, its simply not fair to do it otherwise, now I dont wanna step on any toes, but the hemis are faster.
Sorry If I piss anyone off, but I have driven both Marauders, and dodge Hemis, and sorry to say, all other things equal the Hemis blow our cars out of the water stock.

[Bluerauder]

There is one thing for sure ... the front end of the Dodge Daytona R/T and the Chrysler 300C still beats the Marauder in the "ugly" category. :D That's my opinion and I am sticking with it. ;) Fast can be corrected pretty easily. Ugly is a little more of a problem. :rofl:

[nomad]

You sure about that? Not even broken in, and below 3000 RPM it's feeling significantly stronger than the MM's DOHC (below 2000 RPM the new motor still feels a little tight, but that's okay since it doesn't even have 60 miles on the clock yet). Above 3000 there is no comparison. We're talking stock vs. stock, and I don't play the comparison game any other way. (okay, I'll give this much away: the Daytona's PCM way outperforms the regular R/T in some form I've yet to determine, so maybe there's something there besides the extra 10 hp over the regular R/T).

I'll be curious to redo the comparison once the Daytona's accumulated more break-in mileage.

http://www.tripletransam.com/daytona59/june06/IMG_2676.jpg
Nice pic Steve! Tell us more? Or did I miss the post about the new D/C??

[duhtroll]

Looks like the big bad wolf sitting next to a bulldog. Or a shar pei.


Nice pic Steve! Tell us more? Or did I miss the post about the new D/C??

[TRP460]

http://www.tripletransam.com/daytona59/june06/IMG_2676.jpg[/quote]

Congratulations Steve! I see you took my advice about the "test drive" after all, huh? :banana2:

[RoyLPita]

You sure about that? Not even broken in, and below 3000 RPM it's feeling significantly stronger than the MM's DOHC (below 2000 RPM the new motor still feels a little tight, but that's okay since it doesn't even have 60 miles on the clock yet). Above 3000 there is no comparison. We're talking stock vs. stock, and I don't play the comparison game any other way. (okay, I'll give this much away: the Daytona's PCM way outperforms the regular R/T in some form I've yet to determine, so maybe there's something there besides the extra 10 hp over the regular R/T).

I'll be curious to redo the comparison once the Daytona's accumulated more break-in mileage.

http://www.tripletransam.com/daytona59/june06/IMG_2676.jpg

Now that is one of 2000 made in that color scheme. BTW, I have access to DC's database, too.

[sspmustang]

Boy, that's one well-lit neighborhood :D Guess you need it for a line-up like that, nice!
There is one of those red Hemi's sitting at a dealer on US19 in Clearwater...been there for about a month. Surprised it hasn't moved by now...
--Mike

[94_302]

Congrats on the kills. To be honest though I did not think our cars could compete with the R/T or the C stock for stock. I know he has a k&n but I don't think thats enough to make up the power difference.

[TripleTransAm]

There is one thing for sure ... the front end of the Dodge Daytona R/T and the Chrysler 300C still beats the Marauder in the "ugly" category.

Well, I guess that's all subjective. You all know my feelings about the Marauder styling. But yet it IS possible to have an open mind about appreciating different styles of automobiles (should be evident by the wild spread of styling among my car stash). I think one has more enjoyment in life when not bound by these kinds of restrictions. I suppose if everyone went around commenting on others' wives perceived lack of beauty, it wouldn't make for a very fun atmosphere. :)

One thing is for sure, I wasn't expecting any kind of reaction (the purchase was a quick process, much quicker than either of my MMs) but I haven't gotten this much attention on the road since I bought my 1998 Ram Air brand new. Back then I'd get stopped once a day by someone asking me what I was driving. Now, I'm getting about 2 or 3 times that much harrassment. Last night I was working in my living room and got distracted several times by cars stopping in front of my house to check out the car. Not what I'm used to these days.

So far the car is looking to cream the MM fuel mileage wise, and it isn't even broken in yet. And after wailing on it Friday night (the manual actually says WOT is recommended now and then during break-in!) it will probably totally trash my MM for any foreseeable speed range on 87 octane (the dealer includes a free tank of gas). If the MM does actually pull harder above some certain speed (I've had my MMs up to the speed limiter), it probably would top out sooner than the Dodge anyway. HP is HP, and weight is weight, and aerodynamics are aerodynamics, and no formula out there will take into account "perceived purdyness" as a factor for performance.

But that's all frivolous: anything can be made faster than it is, all it takes is cash and know-how. If you don't have the know-how, then you just give some more cash to someone who does. Simple as that. It's only natural that newer platforms come out more advanced than previous ones. I saw it when the LT1s replaced the Tuned Port Injection motors in the F-bodies, then the LS1 came and rewrote the rule book on pushrod engines. I could put $20000 on my GTA and totally waste my Ram Air, but it would still be a GTA with $20000 spent on it, with 80s reliability. So I'm not understanding where all the friction is coming from: the 4.6 has been around for a decade and half, the 345 is only a few years old. I'd expect nothing less than a similar improvement on the new 3 valve 4.6s, it's called progress.


Anyway, this car is #59 of 200 Canadian models (either over and above the US quantity of 2000 or incorporated as part of that 2000, I don't know). Turns out the Charger R/T with the Road/Track package is a totally different beast versus the regular Charger R/T, suspension/steering and motor (there's gotta be more at play here than a simple advertised 10 hp!). Since I wanted the protection package along with this performance package, it narrowed my choices considerably and once I test drove the Daytona I was sort of amazed at the difference. Whether this was a result of the Road/Track package included in the Daytona or some Daytona specific tuning, I have no clue. But within 24 hours of having test driven #59, we put our money where our mouth was. The fact that this car had been pulled off the line for quality audit helped the decision (and I got the documentation to prove it, since they try to cover their asses over the additional thirty-something kms that were on the car versus the usual 10-15 km on brand new stock).


Those looking to move from a Panther to one of these things should look into the Road/Track package as a minimum requirement. The SRT-8s are out of this world, by the way, on all aspects (ride and sound - the whole experience), but the MDS system was a big selling point for me.


Finally, I've got my fingers crossed that the "new" Chrysler has put behind the shadow of the old corporation. No matter what the specs, a car's just no good a car if it's always in the dealer's garage. You all know my feelings about that.

[RoyLPita]

In fact, the Road/Track Package is required with that color. I was on the Dodge site and was fooling around with the build section.

[TripleTransAm]

http://www.tripletransam.com/daytona59/june06/IMG_2697.jpg

[the_pack_rat]

I like that dash plaque.

That there is just begging to be doctored up by a good "shopper" with something like this :



DARKTOREADOR
MARAUDER
XXX - 980



:D

[RoyLPita]

I wonder if the Canadian market also has 400 Top Banana and 400 Go ManGo! Daytonas. In the states, add another zero for all of the ones made for here.

[2003 MIB]

The Top Banana Daytona gets people pulling up beside you staring.

You'd be the talk of Lufkin for a while. I think it might further blur the confusion between you and the other Mike Jones. That would be pretty cool!:cool:

[TripleTransAm]

I wonder if the Canadian market also has 400 Top Banana and 400 Go ManGo! Daytonas. In the states, add another zero for all of the ones made for here.


200 and 250, but I'm not sure in which order.

[mrjones]

You'd be the talk of Lufkin for a while. I think it might further blur the confusion between you and the other Mike Jones. That would be pretty cool!:cool:

You know, in one of his videos he's shown driving a black Impala SS. Too close for comfort, know wha I'm sayin?

[Smokie]

You sure about that? Not even broken in, and below 3000 RPM it's feeling significantly stronger than the MM's DOHC (below 2000 RPM the new motor still feels a little tight, but that's okay since it doesn't even have 60 miles on the clock yet). Above 3000 there is no comparison. We're talking stock vs. stock, and I don't play the comparison game any other way. (okay, I'll give this much away: the Daytona's PCM way outperforms the regular R/T in some form I've yet to determine, so maybe there's something there besides the extra 10 hp over the regular R/T).

I'll be curious to redo the comparison once the Daytona's accumulated more break-in mileage.

Steve the Daytona does look good , congratulations. When you feel the time is right; take the Daytona to the track and post the timeslip right next to the 14.5 timeslip your first Marauder produced bonestock...anything other then side by side timeslips is....I'm trying to think of a big word to use.:thinker:...conjecture.:lo l:

[2003 MIB]

You know, in one of his videos he's shown driving a black Impala SS. Too close for comfort, know wha I'm sayin?

Word!:):) :)

[bmartin9122]

You guys keep your fingers crossed that my brother is able to purchase the one and only Marauder VT (it is now on the market). We could then put the two beasts head-to-head and give a report.