Hatred from SS owners

[Zack]

Maybe this link was posted before, but I dont think so.

http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/forum2002/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8501

Its a few months old, but pisses you off when you read it.

Im going out looking for one right now. Well show them

What do you think of this license plate?

MPRVD SS:rock:

[Bigdogjim]

Zack: Your right it is old. We have a few ss guys on the site and they are good people.. they are correct in the fact that the stock MM is slower the the 94-96 SS.
Enjoy your MM
You just learn to tune that type out after a while.

[Patrick]

Yes it pissing me off!!!!! But to each is own! A stock MM is fun but does need punch, I am doing that now! And for the money, its worth every pennie!!!!!

The cars are basiaclly the same. Full size, rear wheel drive, and plenty of room, and power! Butt the MM beats in looks and attitude!! And a shifter on the floor!!! Luv it!!!!!

This is a Chevy veruses Ford battle!!!!!! I would push a ford than drive a Chevy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WolfeBros]

The quality of the Marauder interior......layout , materials ect......is much better IMHO. And we are at least 7 years newer too. I could have had a SS when they were new and passed. I'm not knocking their car.......just kinda stupid that they continue to knock ours. They would have more of an argument if it was in current production. The SS guys that frequent here are well informed and pretty good guys. What I don't understand is why some of the Marauder guys wander over to their site and come back all pissed. Stay here......its the only place ya need to go. :up:

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by WolfeBros
just kinda stupid that they continue to knock ours.


Right on.

I mean, yes it's normal to get all worked up about cars, it's a passionate hobby. But... they're CARS. It's not like they're people. It's not like you're making a derogatory comment about another person's family member. It's not even like you're dissing another person's pet (cat, dog, iguana, Martian sand beetle, whatever). These are hunks of metal, built to serve Man, not vice versa.

Folks will too easily lose sight of the "hobby" aspect behind cars. It's supposed to be FUN. We should all be rejoicing in the fact that we live in a time where we can enjoy cars like the MM and the SS with an intact ecological conscience. (and Trans Ams, too... they ROCK. :D )

[Patrick]

SO true!!!!!!

[DLoreanMARAUDER]

WOW thats harsh. What we ever do to them? the only time i see people act lke that is when they feel THREATENED! im not gonna lie, before the MM i would not look at any ford products (except town cars), but I gotta say the MM KICKS! I love the SS but it seams like the cars are better than some the owners, and the cars got attitude! im not going chevy or the owner bashing but TTA is right, they lost track of the HOBBY. oh well, live and learn.:beer:

[JLHARVEY1]

I think they're ignorant and misinformed. Big deal, so they have a little bit more bottem end. They might get us a bit in the str8 away, but just wait til a corner comes along... That's where we shine:coolman:

I guess they don't realize that we're on the same side as them. Unfortunetly for them, if you want a new full size rwd V-8 powered American Car, the Vic/GM/Maruader is the only choice. I was a Chevy guy but I jumped the fence 'cause they quit building cars that gearheads like myself would like to own. Thier only offering is the Vette. Oh, and by the way, my previous car was a 2000 C5 Corvette Z51 six speed. And people think I've lost my marbles when I say this, but I enjoy my Marauder more. Maybe it's just 'cause it's new to me (only had it for 3 days), but something tells me my love affair with my Marauder is going to last.

[mad man]

If you read there post it's always the same guys. most of the impala guys are just like us cool gear heads .Like thay say a few bad apples does not ruin the whole bunch.:mad2:

[SergntMac]

Actually, it's not a fair comparasion of the machinery, there are many diferences between the two cars and a legit heads up race according to the rules would allow for adjustments. But, there are no rules on the street, it's win, or, try again?

Oddly enough, this afternoon, (5/17) several Chicago based MMs will face off with the best of the SS the Midwest has to offer, and I believe there will be a few surprises on both sides.

Personally, I feel someone will always be faster than me, and I will be faster than someone else. But, I didn't buy my MM just to take on the Bow-Ties. I get a lot more of other neat stuff from being an MM owner, and earning some sort of "rep" on the street isn't part of that.

With regards to the opening post, I suppose misery loves company, eh?

[Murader03]

You guys all gotta keep in mind that this Ford - Chevy battle has been going on since, well, since Ford was Ford and Chevy was Chevy. It was that way when my Dad, rest his soul, was a Ford Tech back in the 40's and 50's before I could even walk or talk about cars. It was that way when I worked as a greese monkey at the friendly service station, when they were actually service stations and in high school. It'll be that way till the day we leave for higher order. We've lived with it before, we can live with it again. Just smile and keep on motorin'!

[JLHARVEY1]

Agreed... I could careless which is faster, the Marauder is obviously (at least to me) the much better car. The SS is barbaric by comparison. They complain about the price but I only paid a few bucks more than what they paid in '94. Factor in 9 years of inflation and I got the better deal, and more car to boot. And regardless of power, I think the 4.6 DOHC is the superior motor. It's smooth and has the best exhaust sound this side of a Ferrari.

[Mercury_Rising]

You won't here me bashing anybody because of their car. To many other things in life to get fired up about.

Most brand specific vehicle websites are just a bunch of internet tough guys who like to trash and flame others on the web.

That's what I like about MM.net, just a bunch of friendly Marauder owners who love their cars, and enjoy sharing their experiences.


Thanks

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Jay
03 300A
CD changer

[merc406]

Zack, think nothing of it because it is nothing, stick's and stone's, you know, but when their time comes at the strip, I hope both sides are ready.

[bchapman]

I used to be involved in dog shows and horse shows. You have to just enjoy your own beast and the experience of owning it. You can go nuts if you let other people's criticisms get under your skin.

The best revenge is not letting it bother you but enjoying what you've got.

[tetsu]

It bugs me to hear people say that stock SS is faster than stock MM. It's not true. My MM ran 14.8 dead stock whereas it's well do***ented that stock SS's ran low 15s.

I do believe that their motors are better suited to modding for dragging than ours. However, bone stock MM beats bone stock SS in the 1/4.....just barely.

Johnny

[JamesHecker]

It is certainly understandable to have pride in what you own and are passionate about.

Bashing is just not tolerated on this site. And the members here, in general are not inclined to do so.

A lot of other car sites I have seen are not like this. Bashing, fighting, and intolerance seem to be the norm elswhere.

I'm glad I'm a part of this community.

[cheddar 96 SS]

Originally posted by tetsu
It bugs me to hear people say that stock SS is faster than stock MM. It's not true. My MM ran 14.8 dead stock whereas it's well do***ented that stock SS's ran low 15s.

I do believe that their motors are better suited to modding for dragging than ours. However, bone stock MM beats bone stock SS in the 1/4.....just barely.

Johnny

Hell, i think you guys are a pretty cool group. A while back, who was it that said "classy cars draw classy people"?

As far as stock vs stock goes, im gonna toss in my opinion (i know, im beating a dead horse here). There are some stock MM's on this forum that go 15.3xx. When i got my SS, i went 15.316. One stocker SS that i know of went 14.6xx. Doc ument this and doc ument that doesn't mean much. The only proof i need of which is faster at one point in time is a stoplight (or tree) and a MM next to me.

I just haven't found one down here yet that's willing for a little play at the light :alone:

[SergntMac]

Around the Mid-West, I think the MM vs. SS clocks have been reset. If not cleaned and adjusred, at the very least, they show accurate times.

[TAF]

Originally posted by SergntMac
Around the Mid-West, I think the MM vs. SS clocks have been reset. If not cleaned and adjusred, at the very least, they show accurate times.

Man, what a tease Sarge. I'm up late, sittin here lookin for the results of today and you're talking in "code".

Anxiously awaiting your post/report/summary of today...

[LincMercLover]

I have trouble finding an SS around here that will play! I've seen two on teh highway this weekend, and neither would respond to my reving. I've only had one play with me a little, and that wasn't even anything significant. We were on the highway, just making little short bursts past each other. I'd play with ya cheddar! :D

[Bigdogjim]

JLHARVEY1: Welcome to the wonderful word of MM. That a big adjustment going from a Vett to a MM?? Enjoy the car its get better with time

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by JLHARVEY1
I was a Chevy guy but I jumped the fence 'cause they quit building cars that gearheads like myself would like to own. Thier only offering is the Vette. Oh, and by the way, my previous car was a 2000 C5 Corvette Z51 six speed. And people think I've lost my marbles when I say this, but I enjoy my Marauder more.


Excellent points. I've never been a 'Chevy' or 'Pontiac' or 'Ford' or whatever kind of guy. If it looked nice and had the hardware to match, I liked it. But you're on the money... GM no longer has anything of any interest to me. Corvette? No thanks, 2 seats and a horrible exhaust note don't interest me, and the styling doesn't appeal to me at all (rear end, etc.)... all subjective, but I can't help it. Cheaper RWD V8 fun in GM? Uhhh... where? Firebird and Camaro have gone bye-bye. Large RWD V8 cars are MIA as well.

If the large RWD V8 full-frame car ever disappears, I'll be forced to look at an SUV. Ugh... :(

I do enjoy the MM quite a bit (when it doesn't leave me stranded... LOL!). But the funniest thing happened when I hopped into my WS6 after putting it back on the road in early May this year. I found the WS6's ride SO STIFF and harsh, and the steering so heavy! And this used to be my 'comfy plush-riding' car!!!!!! I should be putting my beloved GTA back on the road tomorrow, and I can't wait to be reminded of how stiff-riding that car is!! Too funny... I must be getting old! :D

[RF Overlord]

Originally posted by TripleTransAm


If the large RWD V8 full-frame car ever disappears, I'll be forced to look at an SUV. Ugh... :(



NO-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O!!!!!!!!!!!!

A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-!!!!:nono: :down: :nono: :down: :puke:

Don't do it, Steve...then I'll be forced to hate you...

[Ross]

I'm with JLHarvey1. I never thought I'd own a Ford, being a confirmed GM man. However, I didn't abandon GM, they abandoned me. I like full size, RWD, V8, 4 door, American cars. None of them are left except FoMoCo products. GM may get me back someday, but only if they go back to their roots. In the meantime, I'll smoke 'em in my MM.

[Fourth Horseman]

I'm holding out hope for a revival of a RWD platform from GM. If they got something together around the 2007 / 2008 timeframe that'd suit me well.

[jefferson-mo]

I went on an SS forum once(coincidentally to ask a GM question--which I got no help) and came across a bunch of 'em bashing the MM and I foolishly thought I could explain it so they could see it our way...you know, theyv'e had 10 years of mods, it's a small block Chevy and you can get parts anywhere etc etc etc but all they did was bite back.....and one clown said his Buick Roadmaster smoked an MM.......if some guy in a Toastmaster tried to race me I wouldn't even think about it.................
That's what makes this Forum THE BEST..........a GREAT group of guys(including some SSs) and a real sense of community


fear and jealousy is my guess(why they diss us)

[jefferson-mo]

sorryyyyy............there's great women here too..................:o

[RF Overlord]

Originally posted by jefferson-mo
if some guy in a (Buick) Toastmaster tried to race me I wouldn't even think about it.................

Toastmaster...heh...I always thought it was "Roadmonster"...

:lol:

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by RF Overlord
Toastmaster...heh...I always thought it was "Roadmonster"...


Toastmaster is a pretty good one. I used to use 'Toadmaster' myself... considering the way the car's rear is somewhat overbearing.

However, as much as I make fun of the car, I did consider it a potential big car purchase at one time, as they were much less expensive than the Impala SSs around here (and more common). I was always hoping to get one with some sort of sporty suspension and relive the old Parisienne days, but with more power. But as they got older and there were no new ones to replace 'em, I quickly forgot about them.

Styling-wise, they were considerably less repugnant (in my humble opinion) than the 'beached whale' look of the first new Caprices of the 90s. That half-covered rear wheel-well was in my mind the equivalent of an automotive attrocity. In white, the sight of one coming down the street would have me reaching for a life jacket and the 1-800 emergency number for Greenpeace.

The Impala SS was miles ahead, styling-wise. The grille, the rear, the wheel wells. Finally they got the new big car somewhat right.

But if I put the MM and SS side by side, I think Mercury got it pretty close to the money right off the bat. The SS took a few years to get things right like vented Opti-spark, console + shifter, color selection, and even then messed up some stuff like body mounts, etc. Mercury gave us the whole package of goodies plus nice stuff like 18 inch shiny wheels, decent rubber, a nice stance (I have personally never seen an SS with the musclecar stance), nice pipes. It's not perfect but you have to remember it'll be 7 years since the last new SS was sold... it's natural to see improvements in the big car breed, the MM benefitting from current technology.

Finally, one thing MM vs. SS debaters don't realize. Modern engines claim not to need break-in, but I don't buy it. At 3000+ miles, my MM rides much nicer than brand new. This seems to be the 'in' thing for new engines... build 'em tight and let them loosen up naturally (possibly with PCM-built-in restrictions based on mileage, I suspect). My WS6 was lucky to break into the 13s (13.9 with a rash of 14.1-14.6) at 6000 miles, but by 20000 miles it consistently ripped off 13.4 s at the same track with no driver improvement in between. The SS's have been breaking in for 7 years at least. Most MMs are still factory tight, so comparing them right out of the box is impossible.

[MMM2003]

3TA. I agree with you breakin theory. It was obvious this weekend at 'Da Grove. I run a 15.1 for the 1/4 with 17000miles on the MM, whereas MadMan could only get 15.7 for the 1/4. He only has 1000 miles on his. Both MM are bone stock, unless you count Bumper inserts and McGard wheel locks.

[RF Overlord]

Originally posted by MMM2003
Both MM are bone stock, unless you count Bumper inserts and McGard wheel locks.

Well, of course they count...the bumper inserts and wheel locks weigh the car down some, so there's your difference in performance...

:P

[Bigdogjim]

Originally posted by RF Overlord
Well, of course they count...the bumper inserts and wheel locks weigh the car down some, so there's your difference in performance...

:P

It's not the weight it the fact that they make the wheel spin out of round..................

:lol: :lol: :beer: :beer:

[the fat bastid]

Originally posted by jefferson-mo
if some guy in a (Buick) Toastmaster tried to race me I wouldn't even think about it.................



Toastmaster...heh...I always thought it was "Roadmonster"...

i always called it a roadbastard

i find subsatuting(sp) bastard for master in all cases increases hillarity levels by 120%
ex:
chessmaster 9000=chessbastard 9000
chronomaster=chronobastard

see? its funny and easy!

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by Fourth Horseman
I'm holding out hope for a revival of a RWD platform from GM. If they got something together around the 2007 / 2008 timeframe that'd suit me well.

There will be the Australian based GTO. Cadillac is largely returning to RWD, and there is the SS roadster pickup from Chev.

They are tight lipped on anything else, but then if they announced a 2006 RWD Impala, who would bother buying any of the current ones?

[Flat Eric]

A month or so after i bought my MM last year, i was at the lights and an SS pulls up, he motions for me to wind down the window, and the guys is all excited asking me if that is the new MM, i say yeah, and he says "I WANT THAT CAR!" "I HAVE TWO SS's AND I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THE MM TO COME OUT"

:-)

[ghost]

Originally posted by jefferson-mo
I went on an SS forum once(coincidentally to ask a GM question--which I got no help) and came across a bunch of 'em bashing the MM and I foolishly thought I could explain it so they could see it our way...you know, theyv'e had 10 years of mods, it's a small block Chevy and you can get parts anywhere etc etc etc but all they did was bite back.....and one clown said his Buick Roadmaster smoked an MM.......if some guy in a Toastmaster tried to race me I wouldn't even think about it.................
That's what makes this Forum THE BEST..........a GREAT group of guys(including some SSs) and a real sense of community


fear and jealousy is my guess(why they diss us)

Keep in mind that the Roadmaster is a B-body car just like the Caprice, Impala SS and Fleetwood. Same chassis, same drivetrain: LT1 engine, 4L60E transmission. Earlier models, before '94, got a 350 that's much less powerful than the LT1 so I doubt you'd have to worry about those. But if you see one with dual exhaust, just like a Caprice with duals, it's LT1-equipped.

The Roadmasters came with numerically low rear end ratios, so they aren't good out of the hole, but that is easily fixed with some 4.10's.

I suspect they're heavier than an Impala SS due to their luxury appointments, but don't be so quick to dismiss their performance just because of their target demographic.

Could a Roadmaster beat a MM? Sure, with gears and some simple mods. "Smoke" is too subjective a term to comment on, one man's "smoked 'em" is another man's "beat 'em."

I'm just letting you guys know this just in case you get up next to one that wants to run. You will have to earn your win, these are sleepers, so be sharp.

Just my two cent's worth. ;)

Eric

[MI2QWK4U]

Would any of our members that are registered on that SS site do me a favor? Just so they know what they will have to deal with in the near future, and the Marauder isn't a black brick that they have been bashing on, please post this drag strip ticket on that thread that was posted here to start this discussion? Maybe let them know that the car has a few more horsepower than they mistakenly posted there!! Ummmmm, more like well over 400....thank you very much!

[Fourth Horseman]

Originally posted by RCSignals
They are tight lipped on anything else, but then if they announced a 2006 RWD Impala, who would bother buying any of the current ones?

Good point. I won't have any money for a second car for several years, anyway, so they can just keep it under wraps so I don't go crazy with envy. :)

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by MI2QWK4U
Ummmmm, more like well over 400....thank you very much!


High 12s for a car that is only one year old. Pretty good start, I'd say. Kudos to you for the great numbers...

[MI2QWK4U]

Just for clarification, that ticket is from a bone stock Marauder with an Eaton Blower on stock tires. And Steve brought out a good point on that last post, this car was only out 6 or 7 months before this custom setup was concieved, engineered, and applied to a car. Damn right the numbers are good for only one year!! I think a lot of options will open up for us once people realize there is a sincere market for it. Kit number one has my car's name all over it when it comes out!

[mensrea]

Dennis had a chip out within what seems like weeks of the Marauder introduction, I know I slapped a set of gears and his chip in the car in July, and plenty of people did before me. My Kenny Brown Marauder S was completed 11/04/02. So it's just a matter of time before someone blows their Hyland stroker, can't wait. And you just know Dennis' Marauder is going to rock, anyone that can make a Lincoln run in the 11s can make our Maraduers fly!

We ran a 12.7 in my car tonight in Indy with street tires (slicks were in Chicago), and Lidio is right around there. I just regret not going to the Grove this weekend. If I don’t sell my car I hope to go to Byron the first week in June. Anyone interested in coming PM me.

If ten of us get together we can rent Route 66 for the day, only ten cars would be a blast. AutoWeek TV got IRP for their film shoot, and nothing beats no one at the track (it was AWESOME). Ten people at Route 66 would be great….

EDITED - to add Lidio beats my 60 foot times !!!

[SergntMac]

This crap is pizzin me off, my turn for .02c, here's a buck.

I got my license at 14, my first real race car ('64 GTO) at 16, and I raced someone every day of my life until I turned 21. Depending on the time and place in those years, I favored Dodge and Chevy big blocks, and heavy cars. My running mate at the time, was strictly all Ford, and though my name wasn't on the title, my heart was in his Galaxie 500/427. I also had the honor to work at Grand Spaulding Dodge and Nickey Chevrolet in their haydays of the late '60s.

The reason I bore you with this, is that I was fortunate to have some local greats mentor me in the game, and the game was on the street. Lot of people didn't know that Norm and Nicky were making big bucks on the street by keeping the kids into their cars and helping them build some really wild street machines. Norm and Nicky were best of friends and often worked on project cars hand in hand. It wasn't about the supreme brand, it was about building machines and making money. The kids with natrual talent were groomed, the idiots were cut off.

This Impala SS vs. the MM is a bunch of crap, automobiles are machines that do what we tell them to do, or we break them.

IMHO, the contest is still men vs. their own machines, not the color of the engine paint. Way back when, the kid who could tool up an 11 second Charger was as much a champion as the kid who could bolt together a 10 second Chevelle, and I don't think it's any different today, at least it should not be. The real contest isn't the brand of car, but who got them to do what. This is what makes a Reinhart, a Hyland, Kenny Brown "ENGINEERING," get it now? Competition builds careers, reputations, and bad azz race cars. The results are expressed in dollars, but it's all about man vs. machine.

This ego fed crap I've been reading here lately on a number of threads is tiresome and unproductive. Zip it up kiddies, this ain't about your SS or my MM, it's got nothing to do with Bow Ties and Blue Ovals. It's how good of a wrench are YOU? How smart are YOU? What tricks work and what don't? Go learn, and come back to prove yourself right.

The only thing an MM has over an ImpalaSS, is that it's new and it's a challenge. That where the fun is, get busy. That's why I wanted to see some bad azz Impalas at GLD, and no one is more disappointed I missed them, than me. Next time, eh?


Originally posted by mensrea
If ten of us get together we can rent Route 66 for the day, only ten cars would be a blast. AutoWeek TV got IRP for their film shoot, and nothing beats no one at the track (it was AWESOME). Ten people at Route 66 would be great.

I'm in Bill, keep in touch. I ran a 14.214 at GLD 5/17, and the track was *****. I can do better, I'm sure.

[jrzygrl]

AMEN SARGE, AMEN. Let the truth be told..........

[WolfeBros]

My man Sarge. Always the voice of reason and truth.:bows:

[MI2QWK4U]

Can't argue with that....well said.

[lovess]

Originally posted by LincMercLover
I have trouble finding an SS around here that will play! I've seen two on teh highway this weekend, and neither would respond to my reving. I've only had one play with me a little, and that wasn't even anything significant. We were on the highway, just making little short bursts past each other. I'd play with ya cheddar! :D you're not looking hard enough! i know 2 dozen imps that like to play, myself included. i only play at Gateway, though. i was at union grove but didn't get to race a marauder. would have beat them all except for sargemac accordding to the times posted. had a great time just running cars in the same class. raced one impala 3 times, he beat me twice but he screwed up once and i beat him even though he had a faster car, that's the fun part. come on over to gateway tuesday(5-27-03) for fun, maybe 97tealcobra will come too? rick

[Billatpro]

Oh Mac, your such a power junkie!

[SergntMac]

me?

What did i do now...