Mans Best Friend Turns On Owner

[ghost03]

I know this has absolutley nothing to do with Marauders but I just wanted to share this with you. Im sure that some of you have heard about this incident, especially those of you that live in the Coral Springs area.....Click the link , Read the story , then watch the video...

Opinions on this matter are welcome
http://www.local10.com/news/9712308/detail.html

[RoyLPita]

This happened caddy corner from my place. I actually heard the shots around 3:30PM. On my to the Tower Shops, I saw a Channel 7 van heading the opposite way on the Sawgrass. I guess that is where it was going to.

[dwasson]

Well,
A: Presa Canario's are just one of the latest breeds that has become popular based on a reputation for violence. Whoever bought the dog got what they were looking for.
B: Almost any 120 pound dog could kill almost any unarmed human. Most dogs are, pound for pound, at least 4 times as strong as a man.
C: The owner knew what she had and overestimated her skills. As Dirty Harry said, "A man should know his limitations."
D: I think that the neighbors should be thrilled that it killed it's owner and not someone else.

[Donny Carlson]

Tragic, especially that it happened in front of her daughter. My dog will snap at me sometimes, if she's out of sorts or afraid or annoyed by me. Most dogs don't like being bathed, and perhaps this one just went nuts once the instinct to attack took over. Again, my dog doesn't even break the skin, but then she's not 120 lbs with jaws that can crush bones.

Animals like that, you don't keep as a pet around a 10 year old child. Not every dog is suitable as a house pet, obviously this breed is not suitable.

[fastblackmerc]

From the article:
"Court records indicated that Willey was cited for keeping vicious dogs and several other pet-related charges when she lived in Tampa several years ago."

Sounds like they didn't know how to control their dog(s). Too bad the daughter had to see it happen.

[Donny Carlson]

Wikipedia:

Presa type guard and catch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_dog) dogs are mentioned in historical documents of the 16th and 17th centuries. It is believed that the Perro de Presa Canario was created during the 18th century for the purpose of dog fighting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting), a tradition the English settlers transplanted along with their of Mastiff and Bulldog breeds. Canary Islanders consider these fights "honor fights" and not the sole purpose of the animal. They were used as guard dogs, and less often as farm dogs. Presa type dogs were referred to as the "perro de la tierra" or "dog of the land."

[ghost03]

After the dog killed the lady it stood over her body to protect anyone from going near it. Now that is a seriouse case of Jeckell and Hyde..

[Donny Carlson]

After the dog killed the lady it stood over her body to protect anyone from going near it. Now that is a seriouse case of Jeckell and Hyde..

Yeah, but was it protecting its master, or its "kill?"

[ghost03]

I come in contact with these types of dogs every once in a while during work. I avoid them at all costs. The main breed of dogs I come across is Pitt Bulls...These Presa Canarios make a Pitt look like a cracked out Chiwhawha.....A Co-Worker of mine saw one sleeping on the floor in someones yard and had never seen one. He has always heard of them but never really saw it in person, so being the AHole he is he started to bark like a dog to wake it up....Well the dog woke up and I can tell you that he WILL NEVER GO NEAR ANOTHER ONE AGAIN...The dog hopped the fence and chased him. Lucky for him he had a very big head start and ran back to his car b4 the dog bit him in the A$$

[ghost03]

Yeah, but was it protecting its master, or its "kill?" I think a little of both...I doubt the dog was going to eat her after he killed her but either way it is horrible, especially for the daughter who whitnessed it all.

[Joe Walsh]

Tragic, especially that it happened in front of her daughter. My dog will snap at me sometimes, if she's out of sorts or afraid or annoyed by me. Most dogs don't like being bathed, and perhaps this one just went nuts once the instinct to attack took over. Again, my dog doesn't even break the skin, but then she's not 120 lbs with jaws that can crush bones.

Animals like that, you don't keep as a pet around a 10 year old child. Not every dog is suitable as a house pet, obviously this breed is not suitable.

I couldn't agree more...you really have to be careful if you have young children.
Most often the dog will protect the children with it's own life, but kids will pull and poke at dogs....not knowing any better, and if the dog 'snaps' the child is in serious danger.

[KAILUAZ]

Those dogs were popular in Hawaii for a while. One guy would run his dog on the beach with a cinder block hanging from its neck.

[sailsmen]

I was standing in front of a restaurant waiting in line. A lady who was waiting for some togo had a young Ridgeback. A young turk dressed like a gangsta rapper with a young Pittbull walks by and purposely pushes his Pittbull into the Ridgeback.

Fortunately both dogs were too young and more interested in their owners. I began to engage the young lady and her dog for a reason.

Sure enough here comes the gangsta rapper w/ Pittbull returning from the other direction. I get between the Ridgeback and the curb and manuevor him back. I also make sure the gangsta rapper knows I see him. Nothing happened.

I had 2 Yorkies and use to walk them. Once a neighbors Lab got out ran from behind me and put her mouth around one of my Yorkies. I wrapped my hands around the Labs throat from behind and she immediately released my Yorkie.

A month latter I was walking them but purposely accross the street. Sure enough the Lab bolts out of the dorrway, accross the street and attacks the same Yorky. I pick the Labs hind legs up off the ground. She immediately releases the York and then turns hard towards me. Well I was not about to get bit so I threw her across the street. She landed with a thud and ran back home. Her owner began yelling at me and I said lets call the Police and see who they ticket for not having a leach.

She said thats OK. I said your dog also got out and attacked my Yorky a few weeks ago.

A few hours latter she knocked on the door to check on our dog and offer to pay for any vet bills. Our Yorky was ok and so was her lab. I never had a problem with that lab again.

A guy I knew used to take in vicious Pitt Bulls for the SPCA and Animal Control. He would take them on trial. Some even he could not handle. They were always chained in a fenced area. There was no doubt he was dominant. They had to totally yeild to him yet they craved his affection.

He always said there were messed up owners who taught the dogs wrong stuff.

[mrjones]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/02/07/MNW32356.DTL

[Tallboy]

When I delivered newspapers as a kid, I carried a water pistol full of ammonia water.

Dogs learn quick.

[magindat]

When I was growing up, mom's 9 lb poodle bloodied up a 60 lb doberman for coming into her yard. Wouldn't have believed it, but I was the one who broke 'em up.
No breed is 'safe'.

[dwasson]

When I was growing up, mom's 9 lb poodle bloodied up a 60 lb doberman for coming into her yard. Wouldn't have believed it, but I was the one who broke 'em up.
No breed is 'safe'.

A sane dog would never hurt a puppy. So, here's this Doberman who finds himself being attacked by a puppy. But it's not acting like a puppy. And .... figuring that it is an insane puppy, the Doberman leaves.

[marauder307]

Those dogs were popular in Hawaii for a while. One guy would run his dog on the beach with a cinder block hanging from its neck.


They still have a variation on that...saw something on one of the local channels here in Honolulu about a "dog pull" competition...made the local "talk story" news. The idea is a fusion of a tractor pull and dog show competition; they set up a sled with increasing weights, and the dogs are put in a harness and exhorted to pull. There's a set distance they have to go; I think it's about 5-10 feet. They had one dog that was pulling so well they ran out of weights for the sled. They started adding Samoans...I think that "big dawg" ended up hefting about a thousand pounds.

Then, of course, there's always "Dog" Chapman...and he gets everything he goes after....:lol:

[dwasson]

They still have a variation on that...saw something on one of the local channels here in Honolulu about a "dog pull" competition...made the local "talk story" news. The idea is a fusion of a tractor pull and dog show competition; they set up a sled with increasing weights, and the dogs are put in a harness and exhorted to pull. There's a set distance they have to go; I think it's about 5-10 feet. They had one dog that was pulling so well they ran out of weights for the sled. They started adding Samoans...I think that "big dawg" ended up hefting about a thousand pounds.

Then, of course, there's always "Dog" Chapman...and he gets everything he goes after....:lol:

There's two major types of weight pulling. The Husky/Malamute crowd does northern type pulls. They use a either a sled on snow or a wheeled cart on dry ground and must pull the cart 16 feet in 60 seconds. Check out http://www.iwpa.net/. My 90 pound Kuvasz, Blitz, pulled 2250 pounds on wheels under IWPA rules. That was not a big deal in a group where 100+ Malamutes pull 4000 pounds.

The Pit Bull people use a cart on slightly inclined rails. Because of the low friction, they can pull some outrageous weights. Some 60 pound class Pit Bulls pull over 6000 pounds on rails. I don't know how long they have or far they have to pull the weight.

[KAILUAZ]

Added Samoans,, lmao hahahahahaha,, classic brah! Man I wish I had a L&L plate lunch right now...... back to the thread..

[Haggis]

I believe wholeheartly that it is the owners that make bad dogs. Having owned a pitbull for 14yrs, raised him from 5 weeks old, he has never showed aggression towards anyone or another dog unless provoked. But like all dogs loves to chase other animals.

The Perro de Presa

The Perro de Presa Canario, A.K.A. the Dogo Canario, is a Molossoid dog native to the Canary Islands. These powerful dogs resulted from crossing of native perros de Presa de la tier and dogs, especially mastiffs and bulldogs, brought to the islands by the British settlers. Also included into the original foundation of the dogs is the Bardino Majorero, a shepherding dog native the island of Fueertventura. It has always been used as a cattle dog and guardian.



A dog of medium size, it is mesomorphoric ( trunk of body longer than in height at the withers ), and has a large cuboid shaped head. It is a powerful and well-muscled dog that is clearly of mastiff influences. The chest is wide and deep. Lack of chest width is a serious fault; lack of depth is a disqualifying one. Forequarters are strong and straight with ample bone and cat feet. Hindquarters are without much angulations, well muscled and with low hocks. The tail is wide set at the base, tapering to a point.



The Presa comes in only 2 acceptable colors…fawn and brindle. Fawn may range from a very light blonde, sometimes referred to as a silver fawn to a deep rich sand fawn, called golden or red fawn. Brindles come in the same fawn shades with black striping of more or less intensity. From the very heavily brindles, often called black brindles or " reverse brindle " to dogs of almost entirely fawn coats with very minimal striping, sometimes called " tiger brindles ".



Due to the low number of dogs in the US and even lower number of dogs tested for hereditary defects, there are not many known aliments specific to this breed. Canine Hip Dysplasia is probably the most widely known health concern to affect this breed, despite rumors that it does not. CHD is a degenerative joint disease known to have a hereditary base. The only way to control this is by screening all breeding dogs and all of their offspring. The PCCA is strongly advocating all dogs to be certified "genotypically" normal by the OFA, or other techniques such as Penn Hip. Also reported in the breed is Panosteoitis, Knee problems, including patellar luxation and patellar evulsions, Skin Cysts, Epilepsy and Demodepic Mange.



The Presa displays powerful appearance with a severe expression. His look should denote strength and courage. The dog is a noble breed of great confidence and self security. The dog is never excessively aggressive. An overly aggressive animal is not one of " strong temperament " but one that is unbalanced and insecure. This is neither typical or desirable in the breed. The breed is gentle and affectionate with his family, including children. He should always be tolerant and gentle with them. A dog that shows aggression towards children is again a dog of insecurity and unstable character.



This is not a fighting breed. It is a breed that can fight, and can fight well when necessary, but dog fighting was not the purpose behind this breed. There is a brief point in their history, which has been glorified by some, that the dog was involved in this activity, as most Molosser dogs were. The Dogo Canario was developed by Canarian natives to be a farm dog and guardian. He was occasionally used for fights that were for entertainment at local fiestas. But the breeding and selection of these dogs purely for fighting abilities was never done.



The Presa should not show aggression towards a puppy. This is a dog that lacks confidence, in that he sees a puppy as a threat. This is neither typical or desirable behavior of the breed. As it is a confident dog, he can often be seen taking "abuse" from a younger animal. Many people would lead you to believe this older animal is "soft" or "cowardly", but in truth, he is displaying his self security and in the process he is boosting the confidence of that younger animal.



The Perro de Presa Canario makes an exceptional home guardian breed. They are naturally territorial, watchful of strangers, close bonding with their families and confident in themselves. A "watchful" or "guardian" dog is very different from having " personal protection ". This is a dog that is highly trained in protection of its owners. While most can successfully become personal protection dogs, they are not all born equally. If this is what you are expecting of your dog, then we highly suggest consulting a professional trainer in your area.