StevenJ
08-28-2006, 05:53 PM
I know a lot of you folks have been disapointed in Ford lately over the panther platform so I decided to copy this tidbit from CV.Net since it discusses the up comming 2009 CVPI. It mentions upgrades such as engine, transmission, etc. but no specifics. Just thought you'd like to know. It also states that some of these updates may be pushed foward to 08. With a little luck, they will find their way to a new Grand Marquis. Imagine, a new Grand Marquis with a 3v Mustang GT motor and Explorer 6 speed automatic transmission. It would be faster than a stock MM and get better fuel ecconomy on regular! Oh one can only dream....
http://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB28&Number=1246725&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
Ford Police Advisory Board Spring 2006
by Staff LAW and ORDER
2009 Ford CVPI
Nearly all the rest of the PAB meeting was spent discussing the 2009 model, most of which remains business confidential. Virtually no details are available for the 2009 Ford CVPI. No automaker openly discusses future products. However, the basics important to law enforcement are known. The car will remain a full-size, body-on-frame, V-8-powered, rear wheel drive, four-door sedan. It will be upgraded with federally mandated safety features and performance enhancements. There will be no change in the interior space, trunk volume or wheelbase. These updates will keep the Crown Victoria in the Ford lineup for years.
Changes to the 2007 and 2008 models will be incremental and very slight. At the most optimistic, some parts or features funded by the new 2009 may be pulled forward to the 2008 model. However, these will be very minor, such as bright wheel covers to replace the matte finish. Expect the 2007 and 2008 models to be virtually carryovers of the 2006 model.
The 2009 CVPI is a different story! Ford Fleet proposed one change after another. The PAB members discussed these in frank and open meetings. Is this what law enforcement wants? If not this, how about that? If not that, then what?
At times, the meeting sounded like the Jack Roush garage at a Winston Cup NASCAR race. Speed costs money...how fast do you want to go? Do your urban cops want to get to 60 mph one second faster? Two seconds faster? Three seconds faster? Do your highway cops want to go 5 mph faster? Or 10 mph faster? Or 20 mph faster?
Here is how we are going to do each step...and here is what it costs. How many PAB members from city and urban departments want this option? How many PAB members from county and highway departments want the same option?
It was an entire day of alternatives, pricing and take rates. If the take rate was high enough, the topic then changed to the question of making the feature standard equipment. Or should it be an option? If the take rate was low enough, it was dropped for considerations of even being an option.
Almost nothing is firmly established with the 2009 car. Contact your area PAB representative and let your suggestions for the next version of CVPI be known at a time when such improvements can be easily done. All of this means that input to PAB members in your area is critical. The full contact information for Police Advisory Board members is also available on the Web site. Simply click Contacts, then Police Advisory Board, then Representatives.
In an intensely competitive business climate, some things are still confidential, and some things are pending additional engineering development. Ultimately, of course, any production plan can still change in the volatile automotive market. The $3-a-gallon gas proved that. All that said, Ford recently answered The Big Question…the CVPI will live on beyond the 2008 model!
Ballast in the Test Vehicles
The CVPI currently undergoes Ford’s vehicle dynamics testing with 200 pounds in the trunk. The MSP and LASD typically test the vehicles with no ballast in the trunk. (Exceptions exist!) This means the CVPI is good to go for patrol use with anything from 0 to 200 pounds (or so) in the trunk.
With all of the WMD and other gear in a modern patrol car, PAB members suggested a 400-pound suspension option. Ford engineers agreed to consider this option. Such a CVPI with springs, shocks and sway bars designed around a 400-pound load will have too stiff a rear suspension for aggressive driving with an empty trunk. But the opposite is also true. A CVPI geared for 250 pounds will have too soft a suspension for a 400-pound cargo.
The Ford CVPI is currently designed around a 250-pound trunk cargo. Ford Fleet and the PAB discussed a heavy cargo option for the future. With this rear suspension, the CVPI would be designed around loads of up to 400 pounds in the trunk.
New Vehicles at MSP Tests
Ford Fleet has two significant vehicles scheduled for the Michigan State Police patrol vehicle tests in September 2006. One is a Ford F-150 2WD four-door pickup powered by the 5.4L 3-valve V-8. This will be baseline testing only while work on the F-150 SSV (special service vehicle) progresses. The basics are a four-door, 6-foot bed, with a 5.4L V-8, skid plate, trailer towing package and high output alternator. This NON-pursuit rated pickup would have the center console delete and be available in 2WD or 4x4.
The other vehicle, as timely as ever, is the Ford Escape Hybrid. (See the March-April 2005 issue of Police Fleet Manager magazine.) The Escape Hybrid will be the 2WD version using the 2.3L inline Four engine. The Escape Hybrid is becoming a major enough player in some police applications that Ford has developed a modifier’s guide specifically for this vehicle.
The Escape Hybrid Modifier’s Guide, available at www.fleet.ford.com (http://www.fleet.ford.com/), is similar to the Ford CVPI Modifier’s Guide. This provides detailed technical information unique to the Hybrid drivetrain, and the special needs of police equipment. Sections of the guide cover best practices, electrical, mounting, diagrams and airbag deployment zones.
In terms of online tools, www.cvpi.com (http://www.cvpi.com/) is no longer a stand-alone Web site. It has been rolled into www.fleet.ford.com (http://www.fleet.ford.com/), making just one place to go. The Web site itself is much more point and click.
A new online tool is Batch Oasis. Instead of checking for SSMs, TSBs and recalls one VIN at a time, the fleet manager can now batch load the VIN range. The next business day, the results will be sent as an Excel file via e-mail. This will provide the full history, not just the past 12 months. And the fleet manager can choose the information he is seeking, i.e., all data available or just TSBs, etc. The online modifier’s guide goes back three model years
http://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB28&Number=1246725&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
Ford Police Advisory Board Spring 2006
by Staff LAW and ORDER
2009 Ford CVPI
Nearly all the rest of the PAB meeting was spent discussing the 2009 model, most of which remains business confidential. Virtually no details are available for the 2009 Ford CVPI. No automaker openly discusses future products. However, the basics important to law enforcement are known. The car will remain a full-size, body-on-frame, V-8-powered, rear wheel drive, four-door sedan. It will be upgraded with federally mandated safety features and performance enhancements. There will be no change in the interior space, trunk volume or wheelbase. These updates will keep the Crown Victoria in the Ford lineup for years.
Changes to the 2007 and 2008 models will be incremental and very slight. At the most optimistic, some parts or features funded by the new 2009 may be pulled forward to the 2008 model. However, these will be very minor, such as bright wheel covers to replace the matte finish. Expect the 2007 and 2008 models to be virtually carryovers of the 2006 model.
The 2009 CVPI is a different story! Ford Fleet proposed one change after another. The PAB members discussed these in frank and open meetings. Is this what law enforcement wants? If not this, how about that? If not that, then what?
At times, the meeting sounded like the Jack Roush garage at a Winston Cup NASCAR race. Speed costs money...how fast do you want to go? Do your urban cops want to get to 60 mph one second faster? Two seconds faster? Three seconds faster? Do your highway cops want to go 5 mph faster? Or 10 mph faster? Or 20 mph faster?
Here is how we are going to do each step...and here is what it costs. How many PAB members from city and urban departments want this option? How many PAB members from county and highway departments want the same option?
It was an entire day of alternatives, pricing and take rates. If the take rate was high enough, the topic then changed to the question of making the feature standard equipment. Or should it be an option? If the take rate was low enough, it was dropped for considerations of even being an option.
Almost nothing is firmly established with the 2009 car. Contact your area PAB representative and let your suggestions for the next version of CVPI be known at a time when such improvements can be easily done. All of this means that input to PAB members in your area is critical. The full contact information for Police Advisory Board members is also available on the Web site. Simply click Contacts, then Police Advisory Board, then Representatives.
In an intensely competitive business climate, some things are still confidential, and some things are pending additional engineering development. Ultimately, of course, any production plan can still change in the volatile automotive market. The $3-a-gallon gas proved that. All that said, Ford recently answered The Big Question…the CVPI will live on beyond the 2008 model!
Ballast in the Test Vehicles
The CVPI currently undergoes Ford’s vehicle dynamics testing with 200 pounds in the trunk. The MSP and LASD typically test the vehicles with no ballast in the trunk. (Exceptions exist!) This means the CVPI is good to go for patrol use with anything from 0 to 200 pounds (or so) in the trunk.
With all of the WMD and other gear in a modern patrol car, PAB members suggested a 400-pound suspension option. Ford engineers agreed to consider this option. Such a CVPI with springs, shocks and sway bars designed around a 400-pound load will have too stiff a rear suspension for aggressive driving with an empty trunk. But the opposite is also true. A CVPI geared for 250 pounds will have too soft a suspension for a 400-pound cargo.
The Ford CVPI is currently designed around a 250-pound trunk cargo. Ford Fleet and the PAB discussed a heavy cargo option for the future. With this rear suspension, the CVPI would be designed around loads of up to 400 pounds in the trunk.
New Vehicles at MSP Tests
Ford Fleet has two significant vehicles scheduled for the Michigan State Police patrol vehicle tests in September 2006. One is a Ford F-150 2WD four-door pickup powered by the 5.4L 3-valve V-8. This will be baseline testing only while work on the F-150 SSV (special service vehicle) progresses. The basics are a four-door, 6-foot bed, with a 5.4L V-8, skid plate, trailer towing package and high output alternator. This NON-pursuit rated pickup would have the center console delete and be available in 2WD or 4x4.
The other vehicle, as timely as ever, is the Ford Escape Hybrid. (See the March-April 2005 issue of Police Fleet Manager magazine.) The Escape Hybrid will be the 2WD version using the 2.3L inline Four engine. The Escape Hybrid is becoming a major enough player in some police applications that Ford has developed a modifier’s guide specifically for this vehicle.
The Escape Hybrid Modifier’s Guide, available at www.fleet.ford.com (http://www.fleet.ford.com/), is similar to the Ford CVPI Modifier’s Guide. This provides detailed technical information unique to the Hybrid drivetrain, and the special needs of police equipment. Sections of the guide cover best practices, electrical, mounting, diagrams and airbag deployment zones.
In terms of online tools, www.cvpi.com (http://www.cvpi.com/) is no longer a stand-alone Web site. It has been rolled into www.fleet.ford.com (http://www.fleet.ford.com/), making just one place to go. The Web site itself is much more point and click.
A new online tool is Batch Oasis. Instead of checking for SSMs, TSBs and recalls one VIN at a time, the fleet manager can now batch load the VIN range. The next business day, the results will be sent as an Excel file via e-mail. This will provide the full history, not just the past 12 months. And the fleet manager can choose the information he is seeking, i.e., all data available or just TSBs, etc. The online modifier’s guide goes back three model years