Attention JLT Owners!!

[MM2004]

I will start off by saying after presenting an issue regarding my JLT intake to Jay, he was very receptive, and quickly sent a replacement tube that arrived today via UPS at no charge!

:beer:

The replacement tube is color-keyed DTR as the original tube, and looks awesome!

The issue was discovered this past weekend when mercman and I paid the Chicago boys and girls a surprise visit during their get together off of Route 66. :D

The tube end that is clamped to the elbow, that connects to the throttle body appeared to be distorted (sunk in).

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/2/9/8/9/DSC00028.JPG

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/2/9/8/9/DSC00030.JPG

I had to look closely as it was not very obvious at first.

Tuesday afternoon, I started uninstalling the intake to get a better look at the extent of the distortion.

Once the tube was separated from the elbow, it was apparent that heat had effected the shape of the tube, and was collapsing in on itself.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/2/9/8/9/DSC00032_281430.JPG

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/2/9/8/9/DSC00031.JPG

I am not sure if this has been posted on the board or not, but wanted to share this with the owners of JLT's intake as a potential issue down the road.

The intake has been on my MM for about a year and a half, and is a part time driver.

Inside of the original tube is white in color while the replacement tube on the inside is black in color. Not sure if this is an identifier or not, but thought I would add that difference as I am sure Jay can clear this up for us?

Thanks again Jay for your quick response and shipment of the new tube. ;)

Mike.

[Pat]

Thanks for the post, I went out a few minutes ago and inspected my tube, the one from JLT, and it's good. the RAI tuble is also white inside but the exterior color is black. No evidence of blistering or deformation.

I have thermometers installed in the engine bay on the filter cone and they read as much as 140 degrees when the outside ambient temp is 108 degrees. Mine is a daily driver so the car is in the heat of the day.

I've had my kit for nearly two years.

[SergntMac]

I'm glad this is posted in our Garage, Mike, and not a vendor's forum.

Yes.

I have had the JLT intake kit on my #1x Marauder and it likewise collapsed in use. It collapsed much more severe than your pics show, I almost lost my new SCT BA2800 MAF from plastic "welding" to the JLT kit. I let Logan know about the problem before I moved on to other mods.

One of the main components of the JLT kit is standard PVC pipe which has two "heat" ranges. One for standard plumbing, another for hot water/high steam use. Therefore, this pipe comes in two flavors, where one endures heat better than the other, and the other "melts" and deforms while in service on our Marauders.

Y'all with JLT kits need to keep an eye on this area of concern. Underhood temps and close proximity to actual engine compartment temps have something to add to it's long-term durability.

[LVMarauder]

O ****. Mine has looked like this for a while. I figured it was normal , Thanks for the heads up.

[Petrograde]

PVC isn't known for its ability to withstand hot temps for an extended amount of time.

[SID210SA]

I know that my tube is black on the inside but I will have to look at it to see if it is deformed. Its sitting in my closet right now as I took it off to take the car in for its last check up which will be in a couple of weeks.

[STLR FN]

or at least the 140 dollar question. Since Jay replaced yours Mike, is he gonna do it for everyone who has this type of "defect"(and I'm using that loosely)?

[Dragcity]

I think you were supposed to install 120 degree t-stats with this.

[Zack]

I work with PVC all day long and 150 degree water coming from the water heater.
PVC will not last 1 day at that temperature.
The only remedy to all this is to barely tighten the hose clamp, but the bottom line is a metal or formed plastic tube should be used under the hood.

[Zack]

Inside of the original tube is white in color while the replacement tube on the inside is black in color. Not sure if this is an identifier or not, but thought I would add that difference as I am sure Jay can clear this up for us?


Mike.


Black in color probably means that it is CPVC, an upgraded PVC that can withstand very high temps, but it is ridiculously expensive.
The kits should come like this to begin with.

[JACook]

Black in color probably means that it is CPVC, an upgraded PVC that can withstand very high temps, but it is ridiculously expensive.


Might it not be ABS DWV pipe? Not very expensive, but still pretty heat resistant.

[Dragcity]

Deleted negative comments....

[the_pack_rat]

Oh well ...

That was a short lived love affair.

I never knew you could get the painted tube seperately & mate it to the OEM airbox till just a couple of days ago.

After seeing a pic of STLR's DTR with the painted tube & OEM airbox setup ... I was all set to do that on mine.

Click (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showpost.php?p=415849&postcount=9)

But it looks like it's best to leave well enough alone & leave the Metco carbon fiber one on there.

If it ain't broke .... don't fix it.

Good timing on this thread ...

Saved me a few buck$.

[Tucker]

SargetMac,
Let's get the whole story out in the open before you try to 1 side me AGAIN.

You ordered a JLT from the web site for your VORTECH SUPERCHARGED Marauder.
Did you see a kit for this car????

No, why? because we DO NOT MAKE ONE FOR IT.
You forced compressed hot air through a pipe not meant for it and it warped. No kidding...
Then you tried to have the site owner kick me off the forum because of it. Because you took it upon your self to put our kit in a hot situation. This is not our issue.
But then you feel the need to come here and SVTPerformance and try to make me look bad without all the info.
When I PM'd and emailed you about this you refused to respond.
If you don't see your application on the web site you should call.

You see folks, there's 2 sides to every story. Let's get all the facts on the table before we bash a supporting vendor, shall we Mac.

Now for the issue at hand.
As the thread starter stated I stand behind my product 100%. Early models were made with a lower heat range PVC and we saw a problem in a couple kits and fixed it. as you can see not all had it, it was hit and miss, but we still upgraded the kit with no added cost to the customer.
We now use a much higher heat resistant materail with NO issues of this kind.
To answer the $140 question, By all means, if you have a early model that is warping, send me a pic and I'll get you a replacement pipe ASAP. I'm not going anywhere and stand behind my product. Everybody who has every spoke to me can atest to that.

If anyone has any questions or issues, please feel free to call or email me ASAP.:beer:

Thanks
Jay

[SergntMac]

But it looks like it's best to leave well enough alone & leave the Metco carbon fiber one on there. If it ain't broke .... don't fix it. Saved me a few buck$. No, you saved yourself more than just a few bucks, you held on to some important power.

The Metco bellows flows better than the JLT. It's a "one off" copy of the bellows Kenny Brown designed for the Marauder S, and much less expensive than the genuine article. Nonetheless, if you own a Metco carbon fiber bellows, and add the PHP kit, you'll have the best "bang for the buck" possible for a N/A Marauder.

You almost took a step back...

[MM2004]

Jay,

You made good with standing behind your product as I received my new and improved replacement pipe 2 days later.

What's been bothering me is that I have not seen nor heard of this potential issue for the past year and a half of me owning your product??

If it weren't for another member knowing about this and bringing it to my attention, this may not have been spotted for how much longer?

Surprising I haven't seen a post from you alerting your 200 customers about this potential issue.

Maybe you overlooked my question?

If someone has a white molded pipe, should it be replaced with a black molded one?

Thanks,

Mike.

[Bradley G]

I have seen fitment issues with the Metco bellows.

Please be more factual with cost savings vs. gains.
How much is this hybrid kit worth? Gains and cost.
Where are they available?
No, you saved yourself more than just a few bucks, you held on to some important power.

The Metco bellows flows better than the JLT. It's a "one off" copy of the bellows Kenny Brown designed for the Marauder S, and much less expensive than the genuine article. Nonetheless, if you own a Metco carbon fiber bellows, and add the PHP kit, you'll have the best "bang for the buck" possible for a N/A Marauder.

You almost took a step back...

[Dragcity]

I'm with MM2004, I am getting ready to re-install mine (now that the colder weather is here in Western New York). That is supposed to take care of the BOG issue, why I removed it....

Mine's white on the inside (Schedule 40 PCV if I'm not mistaken).

Shall I wait for a replacement???

[I am TRYING to be impartial here]

[Tucker]

Jay,

You made good with standing behind your product as I received my new and improved replacement pipe 2 days later.

What's been bothering me is that I have not seen nor heard of this potential issue for the past year and a half of me owning your product??

If it weren't for another member knowing about this and bringing it to my attention, this may not have been spotted for how much longer?

Surprising I haven't seen a post from you alerting your 200 customers about this potential issue.

Maybe you overlooked my question?

If someone has a white molded pipe, should it be replaced with a black molded one?

Thanks,

Mike.
How was your question overlooked? I said if you have any warpage feel free to contact me for a replacement.

It was not posted as it was not a issue for all, as in the post on the 1st page. This customer has the white PVC and no warping.
When 2 or 3 of 200 have a issue, it's not a mass problem. Plus it can all depend on several factors like driving style and conditions (S.W. USA vs. N.E. USA, Heat shield in use or not, long time at idle or overtightening of the clamps).
Sorry, but we did not see it to be a major issue when most all customers were emailing and posting happy results with the kit. We except feedback well and make changes. Like this.

[Tucker]

I'm with MM2004, I am getting ready to re-install mine (now that the colder weather is here in Western New York). That is supposed to take care of the BOG issue, why I removed it....

Mine's white on the inside (Schedule 40 PCV if I'm not mistaken).

Shall I wait for a replacement???

[I am TRYING to be impartial here]
As I stated above, if you have any warpage, by all means send me some pics or the pipe and we will get it replaced.

Jay

[Tucker]

Nonetheless, if you own a Metco carbon fiber bellows, and add the PHP kit, you'll have the best "bang for the buck" possible for a N/A Marauder.

Wow, $550+ and it's the best bang for the buck?
What's the HP/$ on this one?

Also when you make statements like one flows better then the other have facts to back your statements. I'm willing to bet you didn't flow test these 2 kits.
You know what they say about opinions?

[MM2004]

It was not posted as it was not a issue for all, as in the post on the 1st page. This customer has the white PVC and no warping.
When 2 or 3 of 200 have a issue, it's not a mass problem. Plus it can all depend on several factors like driving style and conditions (S.W. USA vs. N.E. USA, Heat shield in use or not, long time at idle or overtightening of the clamps).
Sorry, but we did not see it to be a major issue when most all customers were emailing and posting happy results with the kit. We except feedback well and make changes. Like this.

:bs:

I work for a company that manufactures driveshafts. Mostly for Ford Motor Co.

We shipped a few driveshafts that had potential balance issues.

It were only a few. We alerted them as soon as this was discovered.

You should have done the same.

Driving conditions?

Long periods of idling?

Geographical location?

Heat shield installed?

Over tightening of the clamp?

I do not recall seeing these variables, nor warnings when I placed my order with you?

2 or 3 out of 200 would mean 2% - 3% of your customers are dis-satisfied.

That's acceptable to you?

Mike.

[SergntMac]

Yeah..."Doube" posts happen to me too. I presume you meant "double", but you should watch that "smoking". It's not good, tobacco or otherwise.
Doube postSo...Which post do I reply to, Jay?

Here's #1...
SargetMac,
Let's get the whole story out in the open before you try to 1 side me AGAIN.

You ordered a JLT from the web site for your VORTECH SUPERCHARGED Marauder.
Did you see a kit for this car????

No, why? because we DO NOT MAKE ONE FOR IT.
You forced compressed hot air through a pipe not meant for it and it warped. No kidding...
Then you tried to have the site owner kick me off the forum because of it. Because you took it upon your self to put our kit in a hot situation. This is not our issue.
But then you feel the need to come here and SVTPerformance and try to make me look bad without all the info.
When I PM'd and emailed you about this you refused to respond.
If you don't see your application on the web site you should call.

You see folks, there's 2 sides to every story. Let's get all the facts on the table before we bash a supporting vendor, shall we Mac.

Now for the issue at hand.
As the t hread starter stated I stand behind my product 100%. Early models were made with a lower heat range PVC and we saw a problem in a couple kits and fixed it. as you can see not all had it, it was hit and miss, but we still upgraded the kit with no added cost to the customer.
We now use a much higher heat resistant materail with NO issues of this kind.
To answer the $140 question, By all means, if you have a early model that is warping, send me a pic and I'll get you a replacement pipe ASAP. I'm not going anywhere and stand behind my product. Everybody who has every spoke to me can atest to that.

If anyone has any questions or issues, please feel free to call or email me ASAP.:beer:

Thanks
Jay Here's #2...
SargetMac,
Let's get the whole stroy out on the table befor eyhou try to 1 side me again.

You put a JLT kit for a N/A Marauder on your VORTECH SUPERCHARGED Marauder.
You took it upon your self to force compressed hot air through a pipe not meant to do so.
Of coarse it warped, the air was over 250 degrees.
Then you complain to the site owner and ask to have me kicked off the site for your screw up???????
Not to be stopped, you then post 1 side of the stroy here and on SVTPerformance and refuce to answer my emails and PM's on the matter??

There's 2 sides to every story folks, just remember that. All the info should have been presented if your going to bash a supporting vendor.
This kit was not meant for forced induction!

As for the issue at hand.
As the thread starter said, we have upgraded the material used sometime back with no price chage for the customer. We found this to me a issue in a small amount of ki ts and fixed it. As you have read not all are having the issue.

As for the $140 question, by all means, if your having the same probelm, comtact me. Send me a pic and I'll get you a replacement pipe ASAP. Were here to stay and are easy to work with. Feel free to shoot us a email with your info and we'll take care of you.

Thanks
JayBefore we go down this road, Jay, let me know exactly what you wish I respond to? No need to answer charges withdrawn, eh? Meanwhile, I can cover some of the basic stuff now...Let's start with this?

My screen name here at the MM.Net is "SergntMac". Likewise, I am SergntMac over at SVT Performance, and a few other boards I visit now and then. Though I do not recall posting anything at SVT Performance, I promise to check up on that. I'll also check up on the other "minor league" boards I visit.

Nonetheless, I am sure I never posted anything about this problem before MM2004 opened this thread. In fact, I never said anything to him about JLT stuff until he came to me with questions.

I spent a few minutes explaining why one "friend" didn't clue another "friend" into the truth. But, Mike seemed so happy about it all...More "kool-aid" effect eh? I just could not bring myself to present such disappointment to my friend. Yeah, sometimes, the "husband" is the last to learn.

NOTE: My e-mail is SergntMac@aol.com and this is the only e-mail addy I use, job, home, friends, e-harmony, ect. My 24/7 telephone number (with voice mail if I am busy, sleeping, or have "company" over) is 312.401.1396. Never in the "since '93+" years I have been using these channels of modern communications have I had any problems connecting with folks who really wanted to reach me. Do I need to add a fax number too?

Yes, I discussed this problem with Logan and moderators at the time of my discovery, circa July 7-10, of 2005. This included facts and pics from member Ron Field, but neither of us ever heard back from you. No knock at my many "e" doors, eh? I did get a CC of a note from Logan to you, but no follow-up from you. It rested there. Should I post pics of my melted JLT kit, and Ron's melted JLT pics? You tell me?

BTW...I have 100 bucks in USC sitting on my desk right now, and I will send that cash to the first person from anywhere in the world who contacts me via any PM (E-mail and telephone calls are excluded, as we often confuse them). It must be a PM, and I'll accept that from any site anywhere in the world...100 bucks, cold cash. ready, set GO!

With this covered now, Jay, please tell me what I should reply too next?

IAT temps?

Heated supercharged air charge temps?

Overall engine bay temps?



Oh...One more thing...Your "consent" to use your JLT kit on a Vortech supercharged application...Yeah, it fits, I can post pics.

No...I didn't buy it from you, or, your web site.

My VISA (used exclusively for on-line purchases and pay-pal stuff) ends in 6423. I didn't "order" anything from JLT, or, ask for your "consent", so, you need to prove that. That's another 100 buck bet, show me proof of this sale, and I'll send you 100 bucks.

The JLT kit I got was a gift from another member here. Nonetheless, it disappointed me, and almost cost me a great deal of more money once your parts "welded" to my SCT BA2800 MAF. I had to cut your kit off, and carefully too.

This is why I e-mailed pics and documentation to Logan, not your constant skewing of dyno tests and reports of power gains that mislead the masses.

Where do we start now, Jay? What charges should I answer next?

[Tucker]

2 or 3 out of 200 would mean 2% - 3% of your customers are dis-satisfied.

That's acceptable to you?

Mike.
Dis satisfied? No sir. That's not the wording I'd use. There happy before and very happy after they get the service I gave you. No questions asked, just a new part.

I think your compairing apples to oranges as far as the drive shaft.
Vibrating driveshafts are a major problem to many things in the car and can wear out other componet as you are aware of.
A warped tube will cause no ill effects, nor has it.

As I stated to you in your email, I do apologioze for the issue and hope my fast reaction to it will make thinks ok, but it seems as though you want to make more of this then it really is. If I'm reading into it wrong, let me know, but I see it as I did exactly what I would have expected a company to do for me.

[KillJoy]

Mac...PM Sent ;)

KillJoy

[MM2004]

Dis satisfied? No sir. That's not the wording I'd use. There happy before and very happy after they get the service I gave you. No questions asked, just a new part.

I think your compairing apples to oranges as far as the drive shaft.
Vibrating driveshafts are a major problem to many things in the car and can wear out other componet as you are aware of.
A warped tube will cause no ill effects, nor has it.

As I stated to you in your email, I do apologioze for the issue and hope my fast reaction to it will make thinks ok, but it seems as though you want to make more of this then it really is. If I'm reading into it wrong, let me know, but I see it as I did exactly what I would have expected a company to do for me.

Jay,

The driveshaft reference was to depict how the company I work for handled a possible known issue with balance integrity. Apples and oranges? Yes, as far as product. No, as far as business practice.

I sent you accolades on your rapid response. Just pissed me off that you knew of a potential issues(s) and never spoke openly about them.

Overlooking the hood liner rubbing, and trying to make adjustments never corrected my issue. I seriously doubt I installed the intake wrong.

Now the melting?

I simply do not agree with your business approach and dealing with customers only after an issue has come to light.

You should have been up front.

Mike.

[Tucker]

My screen name here at the MM.Net is "SergntMac". Likewise, I am SergntMac over at SVT Performance, and a few other boards I visit now and then
Yea, and your point is, Mac? Now you want me to address you only in your full and utmost "screen" name? Sorry if Mac offends you.


Nonetheless, I am sure I never posted anything about this problem before MM2004 opened this thread.
Not so my friend.
You came into a thread on SVTP a while back and posted this mess about your melting pipe. I abmit, it took me a day or so to put 2+2 together, but then it came to me. Your the one who told Logan your pipe melted and I should be banned form the site. At that time I PM'd you on SVTP, here and Emailed you trhough this site on your profile. You can say it's not so all you wish, but my PM here and there work just fine.


NOTE: My e-mail is SergntMac@aol.com and this is the only e-mail addy I use, job, home, friends, e-harmony, ect. My 24/7 telephone number (with voice mail if I am busy, sleeping, or have "company" over) is 312.401.1396. Never in the "since '93+" years I have been using these channels of modern communications have I had any problems connecting with folks who really wanted to reach me. Do I need to add a fax number too?

You know I'm not bashful and have no problem calling you on the phone. Back when I started here you seemed you have your mind made up and thought you were going to put me in my place amd asked me to call... I did remember?
So you know I can contact you.


Yes, I discussed this problem with Logan and moderators at the time of my discovery, circa July 7-10, of 2005. This included facts and pics from member Ron Field, but neither of us ever heard back from you.
Key words, you contacted everybody BUT ME! I don't know about you, but when I have a problem with a part I don't cry to forum owners, I go to the company who made the part.


BTW...I have 100 bucks in USC sitting on my desk right now, and I will send that cash to the first person from anywhere in the world who contacts me via any PM (E-mail and telephone calls are excluded, as we often confuse them). It must be a PM, and I'll accept that from any site anywhere in the world...100 bucks, cold cash. ready, set GO!
This is laughable, are we 12?


Oh...One more thing...Your "consent" to use your JLT kit on a Vortech supercharged application...Yeah, it fits, I can post pics.

EXCUSE ME? Now your way off the mark and putting words in my mouth. I have never installed one on a Vortech car nor would I.


The JLT kit I got was a gift from another member here. Nonetheless, it disappointed me, and almost cost me a great deal of more money once your parts "welded" to my SCT BA2899 MAF. I had to saw your kit off and carefully too
It's your own fault you melted the pipe to the MAF. Oh, by the way. The MAF has NO CONTACT to the pipe. Please explain how you melted the 2 together??

So in a nut shell:

YOU INSTALLED A KIT NOT MEANT FOR S/C CARS ON A S/C CAR !
You installed it wrong, by the sound of it.
Then contacted everyone BUT JLT about the issue.
Posted on forums about it.
Refused to respond to my many contacts
Sarg, I'm not too sure what pi$$ed you off way back when, but I don't really care at this point.
Heck even Logan, understood where I was coming from once I gave him the whole story about you putting this kit on a Vortech car without my concent.


not your constant skewing of dyno tests and reports of power gains that mislead the masses.

Misleading the mass'? That's funny. We repeat our gains on all our testing and 3rd party customer testing and I'm skewing #'s. Again laughable.


Where do we start now, Jay? What charges should I answer next?
All I ask is you post ALL the facts when you go posting negitives about something.
Good day

[CRUZTAKER]

PVC isn't known for its ability to withstand hot temps for an extended amount of time.


It's a friggin piece of pvc water pipe from home depot people.:P

This stock wasn't designed nor manufactured for the purpose of living under the hood of a hot engine compartment.

The only part of this product designed and manufactured to be used in an engine compartment scenario is the 45 degree rubber elbow.


http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/6/2/7/HOMEDEPOT_188161.bmp

[Tucker]

That's funny, I was just thinking about you...

[SergntMac]

I have seen fitment issues with the Metco bellows.

Please be more factual with cost savings vs. gains.
How much is this hybrid kit worth? Gains and cost.
Where are they available?Bradley...Back up one step, eh? Let me remind you of this, please? Where is the "bottleneck" in our stock OEM air flow?

Some say the bellows, other say the "air path". I think it's the MAF.

You can install the biggest of all bellows and "cold air kits" ever made by anyone, and it's only as efficient as the ID of the MAF.

This is why SCT calls their MAF a "Big Air" MAF. Everything flowing into the combustion chamber/process is one size, one size that of the OEM 80mm MAF. The "big air" is 90mm. Likewise the Lightening MAF.

Improve that...And you have more power to work with.

I don't care how big the reception room is after air passes through the MAF, but what air (hot opr cold) that doesn't clear the MAF cannot benefit from anymore elbow room after that. Got to get through the reception room door first, eh?

[Tucker]

Bradley...Back up one step, eh? Let me remind you of this, please? Where is the "bottleneck" in our stock OEM air flow?

Some say the bellows, other say the "air path". I think it's the MAF.

You can install the biggest of all bellows and "cold air kits" ever made by anyone, and it's only as efficient as the ID of the MAF.

This is why SCT calls their MAF a "Big Air" MAF (BA 2400 or 2800). Everything flowing into the combustion chamber/process is one size, one size that of the OEM 80mm MAF. The "big air" is 90mm. Likewise the Lightning MAF.

Improve that...And you have more power to work with.

I don't care how big the reception room is after air passes through the MAF, but what air (hot opr cold) that doesn't clear the MAF cannot benefit from anymore elbow room after that. Got to get through the reception room door first, eh?
Sorry to keep correcting you, but your wrong again.
I am a SCT dealer and sell SCT Ba 2400 and 2800 MAFs. The stock MAF is good to 380-400 RWHP before it becomes a issue. At this point it's not a flow issue, but a electronic issue. The MAF will reach a max of 5 volts and "peg". This puts it into like a safe mode and the computer will over ride the tune and add fuel.
Simply adding a Lighting 80mm, yes 80mm MAF will stop this and get you over the 400RWHP mark. The electronics are set up for more power.

The SCT 90mm "big air" was made for the big power Lightings and 03,04 Cobras with over 500RWHP. There is no need for this meter on anything under 500 RWHP as the stock stuff is fine.
I talk more people out of these everyday and I sell them. There just not needed until the powers there.

If anyone wants to know more call SCT.

So by increasing the volume of air before and after the MAF the car WILL benifit and show gains in power. It's been proven.
Your contridicting your self, saying the METCO pipe (I'm a METCO dealer as well) and a PHP kit will be the best bang for the buck.

So which is it?
You need the MAF to make power or all 3?

[CRUZTAKER]

I am not biased.

I don't like the Metco tube either.

Looks nice...appropriate materials...exact fit...

Too frigin' expensive for its function.:bs:

Besides,
I am a Lowes fan anyway.


Lowes cold air kits goooood....



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[DEFYANT]

I think the JLT looks better then the OEM. And ya'know what else? I GAINED horsepower too. :cool:

...works for me, thats my $.02

[SergntMac]

Jay...

Oh, nevermind.

I think the folks here get it...

[Tucker]

PM party?;)

[MERCMAN]

Anyone taking bets on how long this thread is going to stay alive?????

[SergntMac]

I am not biased.

I don't like the Metco tube either.

Looks nice...appropriate materials...exact fit...

Too frigin' expensive for its function.:bs:

Besides,
I am a Lowes fan anyway.


Lowes cold air kits goooood....

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/6/2/7/aclowes.jpg
Neither am I biased, Bear, one vendor to another.

But, I am bias about building power from the Marauder.

Constant mentions of RWHP bug me, where is the torque?

[Dragcity]

Schedule 40 PVC Max operating temp = 140 degrees F.

Anybody have under hood temp sensors?

I have to admit, I am still not impressed....

[Tucker]

Constant mentions of RWHP bug me, where is the torque?
Here's your TQ my friend.
Direct from the thread you posted in:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=96 28&d=1154981080

[Zack]

Jay, you have been very lucky marketing such a cheap product for so long.
Its garbage, you know it. I bet you needed a box of Kleenex to wipe away the tears of joy when you saw the insane amounts of money rolling in. I do commend you though, Americans WILL buy anything.
Your kit is cheap junk and its quality WILL catch up with you.
And for the record, I made a power pipe out of Schedule 40 PVC for my Vortech car. (Before the Blower)
Drove down to Florida and it was deformed to the point where I couldnt even clamp it anymore.
I agree with Barry, Lowes is better.

[Tucker]

Thanks for your opinion Zack.

Considering you have never owned one I take your remarks very lightly also the fact you, like Mac, want to put PVC on a blower car after the blower tells me your in good company.

What a few of you haters are holding onto is the past. As stated, we have changed the material used and it's not Schedule 40 PVC.
You have also not noticed the many many happy customers who actually have the product.
When someone who has never had it comments on it this way your stating an opinion.

Bottom line is we have a cheap kit that works. We never boasted to be the best looking, fitting or made of carbon fiber. We sell cheap HP and it works.
2.5 years, 4000+ sold all over the world.
Thanks guys, it's been fun.

Jay

[Eric91Z]

Jay,

Happy with my product and would buy all over again. My car is a daily driver that has 25,000 miles on it in the last year with the JLT CAI on there that whole time and no problems. I did switch tubes to a color matched on after a couple of months, but the silver one has been in there all spring and summer so far.

Thanks for the nice product at a price better than anything else available on the market. And congrats for being a part of the "first Shelby GT500 in the 10's" car.

[Tucker]

Jay,

Happy with my product and would buy all over again. My car is a daily driver that has 25,000 miles on it in the last year with the JLT CAI on there that whole time and no problems. I did switch tubes to a color matched on after a couple of months, but the silver one has been in there all spring and summer so far.

Thanks for the nice product at a price better than anything else available on the market. And congrats for being a part of the "first Shelby GT500 in the 10's" car.
Thanks Eric,:beer:
Yes, JLT had a big part of the first GT500 with 500rwhp/502rwtq, the first GT500 in the 11's and now the first GT500 in the 10's.
We have no idea what were doing.:cool4:

[Eric91Z]

Thanks Eric,:beer:
Yes, JLT had a big part of the first GT500 with 500rwhp/502rwtq, the first GT500 in the 11's and now the first GT500 in the 10's.
We have no idea what were doing.:cool4:

Oh yeah, one more caveat for the JLT, I put down 260.5 RWHP and 280.3 RWTQ with just the JLT and XCal2 tune from Lidio. That equates to "roughly" 312 or so RWHP. So with tune and JLT I am putting down somewhere around 10hp or so more than stock. Plus, it sounds AWESOME at WOT.

[Tucker]

Jay, you have been very lucky marketing such a cheap product for so long.
Its garbage, you know it. I bet you needed a box of Kleenex to wipe away the tears of joy when you saw the insane amounts of money rolling in. I do commend you though, Americans WILL buy anything.
Your kit is cheap junk and its quality WILL catch up with you.
And for the record, I made a power pipe out of Schedule 40 PVC for my Vortech car. (Before the Blower)
Drove down to Florida and it was deformed to the point where I couldnt even clamp it anymore.
I agree with Barry, Lowes is better.
Zack, a customer helped me bring this to light in another thread and I thought I'd pass on the info as you can see how I rip people off with this cheap kit.
Read this and explain where these tears of joy I'm crying would come from would you please.
You can research these #'s at your local stores for comparo, but I buy this stuff everday and know these are the standard pricing.

Let me give you some closer to real #'s on the parts:

S&B Powerstack filter (the BEST in the industry) $50 retail + shipping
Billet aluminum MAF adaptor (the best in the industry) $34 retail +shipping
45 degree elbow (not available in any store) $10 per 200 or $18 each + shipping
4" ABS pipe not PVC $3 per/ft
sand prime and paint materials $25 to do your self
reducer 3-4 fernco $8 retail @ home Depot
plastic fitting in pipe and 5/8 PCV hose $1
stainless clamps (the best) $5
Custom bent plastic heat shield $20+ for cheaper ones on Ebay. I buy 100 @ a time for a little less.

That's about it... oh wait. Boxes, packing material and time to build and box the kits.

So I come up with a grand total of $164 + S&H if you made a exact dublicate of the JLT, not including packaging, advertising, emails, phone calls and internet BS.
Wow, I think I'm going to be sick.:puke:

Not to mention I often have sales and this sells for $128 to MM.net members.

I'm a rip off artist with no clue I guess. :alone:

Thanks for bringing this to light.
Jay<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[magindat]

Zack, a customer helped me bring this to light in another thread and I thought I'd pass on the info as you can see how I rip people off with this cheap kit.
Read this and explain where these tears of joy I'm crying would come from would you please.
You can research these #'s at your local stores for comparo, but I buy this stuff everday and know these are the standard pricing.

Let me give you some closer to real #'s on the parts:

S&B Powerstack filter (the BEST in the industry) $50 retail + shipping
Billet aluminum MAF adaptor (the best in the industry) $34 retail +shipping
45 degree elbow (not available in any store) $10 per 200 or $18 each + shipping
4" ABS pipe not PVC $3 per/ft
sand prime and paint materials $25 to do your self
reducer 3-4 fernco $8 retail @ home Depot
plastic fitting in pipe and 5/8 PCV hose $1
stainless clamps (the best) $5
Custom bent plastic heat shield $20+ for cheaper ones on Ebay. I buy 100 @ a time for a little less.

That's about it... oh wait. Boxes, packing material and time to build and box the kits.

So I come up with a grand total of $164 + S&H if you made a exact dublicate of the JLT, not including packaging, advertising, emails, phone calls and internet BS.
Wow, I think I'm going to be sick.:puke:

Not to mention I often have sales and this sells for $128 to MM.net members.

I'm a rip off artist with no clue I guess. :alone:

Thanks for bringing this to light.
Jay<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Any time, bro.

You know what else? When ricers were young, before the trends, before Sport Compact Magazine even existed, we did go-fast back-yard engineering and often used materials just like in the JLT kit. We 'hacked' computers, we replaced cats with cherry-bombs, etc. At the end of the day, we went faster. A trend grew for cheap cars with cheap HP. Now look at it. High-dollar, high bling. Who cares? That's why I ain't a ricer no more. Me likey SIMPLE and INEXPENSIVE. I don't need carbon fiber. It don't go no faster.

The JLT guys remind me of my younger days as a grass-roots ricer, and I like it!

Here's the other post:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=418129&highlight=JLT#post418129

Don't forget to PM me about my little mod.
Rich

[SID210SA]

You have also not noticed the many many happy customers who actually have the product.


Jay

1 of the many happy customer who actually have the product:D


I think the JLT looks better then the OEM. And ya'know what else? I GAINED horsepower too. :cool:

...works for me, thats my $.02

I second this....and I for one of probalbly many like the offered color option. Just my $0.02

[Directedby]

I have been happy with my JLT -

I like how it looks - I liked the price - I like the mean sound - I like the added performance it gave me.

I can see it is a simple design with simple parts - some of which can be easily obtained - however, Jay did come up with the idea to make it and market it - and I do believe it works. Logic says it works. Does the Metco work better? - maybe - and if it does work better - it MIGHT get an additional 1HP...

I felt that the PHP/Metco combo was too much $$ and I did consult with others on this site. It is a really nice set up though.

Paul

PS - yes, mine warped and Jay is sendng me a new one.

Paul

[Bradley G]

I have an early PVC model, no warping.
Sounds fair, that Jay is replacing the tubes that are affected/ distorted by heat.

[Tucker]

Guys, it's great to hear from all of you and posting your unbiased first hand opinions. It's refreashing.

Funny thing is it's the same peopel everytime. I start a thread and they can't seem to resist coming in to post something negitive. I have had issues with 2-3 of the same members here from the first post I made here. You know what, only 1 of the 3 has even had, seen or used a JLT and he used it in the wrong situation. Go figure...

I take a ton of pride in JLT and started this buisness soley to put out a affordable product that works. So far so good. I've made mistakes along the way and fixed them. Some very expencive mistakes, but I stood behind the product made customers happy. With over 4000 happy customers all over the world in only 2.5 short years I'd say I'm doing something right. Every kit has been made, painted, assembled and shipped by me.

I make mistakes everyday and try to learn from them. This material issue, I feel, wasn't a huge issue and didn't warrant a recall as it was hit and mis, plus the customers who contacted me direct were very happy with the service they got.
We use this same material on our Cobra, MACH I, Bullitt and many other kits with no problems. So I didn't think this would have a problem on the MM.

I use the internet everyday and can tell who's trying to push buttons and who's really asking questions. I'm used to it.

Just remember MM owners, take these forums with a grain of salt. Many of the members here are here to help and DO know there stuff, but many do not. They push there opinions on everybody as fact and this can lead people into the wrong direction. Just because someone has a blower car doesn't make them a super car genious. It just means they like fast cars!

Do your research and look for products that work, are in your price range and have the support of there customers.

Thanks to all

Jay

[CRUZTAKER]

.

Let me give you some closer to real #'s on the parts:

45 degree elbow (not available in any store) $10 per 200 or $18 each + shipping....<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->


ANY STORE? That's not being "closer to real."
A little closer to real: ;)

THIS IS THE SITE:
http://www.airflo.com/rubberparts.html

45HL45 IS THE ITEM. I paid $14 PLUS SHIPPING .http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/6/2/7/45elbow.jpg

[kj31067]

"I use the internet everyday and can tell who's trying to push buttons and who's really asking questions. I'm used to it."






i have been watching this thread and agree. there are definitely pot stirrers with nothing better to do with their time.....no inference to the official one though:D

[Tucker]

Your posting a web site, not a store. Even so, $14 over my $18. So that's $4.
Good job Cruz, GOOD JOB. $160 total now. (I can use bold and larger font too.:D )
PLUS SHIPPING my friend. Where are we now????


Oh, I almost forgot you.
Folks, way back when JLT first came on the site, Mr Cruz buddied up to me asking if my kit would fit with a PHP intake. I didn't know so I offered to send him the kit FOR FREE to try.
He kept it for a while and returned it saying it just didn't fit right.

Then I stumble across a thread where he has pics of my parts with measurements and all the part #'s from them and a detailed list of where to buy and how to make a JLT copy kit.
Wow, what a group.
Cruz, I still have the PM's from you on this matter.

So Mr. Cruz give us a complete run down of all these " Lowes" parts and a grand total for a home built JLT kit. I'd like to see my real profit for this.

You seem so confidant my kit is a hardware store buy, tell us.
I'm waiting.
Jay

[KillJoy]

no inference to the official one though:D

Who...me? I'm stayin' as far away from this discussion as I can.... :rolleyes:

Now.....Where's my beer....

KillJoy

[kj31067]

Who...me? I'm stayin' as far away from this discussion as I can.... :rolleyes:

Now.....Where's my beer....

KillJoy




thats what I M saying.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CRUZTAKER]

You can have the last word.

I'm tired.:sleepy:

[wrnealis]

I'm probably stepping in a pile of dog ****, but I have the JLT in my Marauder, and my little brother has the JLT true cold air complete kit for his Mustang.

Other than the Mustang kit being a total bear to get installed (in the middle of the night parked on the street) I think these kits are great. Hell I could build something cheaper out of plumbing parts and a tube sock, but this kit installs easy, looks better than stock and gives a great sound.

I don't have a dyno, but it sounds faster! I like my car better with the JLT intake than without!

[Tucker]

You can have the last word.

I'm tired.:sleepy:
No problem Cruz. I'm used to you guys dropping out when you don't have the answers.
It's not about last word, it's about how you want to make comments and when the facts are presented you guys have nothing to say. It happens all the time, just like last night with the other one above.

If your smart enough to make comments about a part and have the time to make graphics, then be willing to take the time to complete the deal.
You want to bash me and call my product cheap, but you can't even break it down for the mass' to see what you mean.

Funny, customers keep coming in and posting there positive feedback and all you can do is post Lowes and Home Depot ads. Grow up man and get over it.:sleepy:

[SergntMac]

Thanks for your opinion Zack.

Considering you have never owned one I take your remarks very lightly also the fact you, like Mac, want to put PVC on a blower car after the blower tells me your in good company.

What a few of you haters are holding onto is the past. As stated, we have changed the material used and it's not Schedule 40 PVC. Jay You have made many false statements here and in other threads at this site, this is the most recent and perhaps the worst of them.

Yes, centrifugal superchargers heat the intake air charge from compression, this is a well known fact of supercharging. However, the intercooler does it's job too, and the intake charge on a properly designed supercharging system under boost should be no more than 15 degrees above ambient air.

I use a water-to-air intercooler and I have two IAT sensors on my system, one just before the air charge enters the throttle body, and an internal sensor that's reporting data to the EEC and OBD II port. When I installed your induction kit, it was sandwiched between the two sensor locations, and at that time, I was pushing 16 PSI of boost. My IATs were 8-10 degrees over ambient air in normal operationg conditions, and even in full race trim and at the end of a hard 1/4 mile pass, the IAT was never more than 15 degrees above ambient air.

Your position that I misused your kit and the supercharged air charge is responsible for my melt down does not stand. Either you misunderstand base supercharging principles, or, (as is the case with other remarks) you wish to confuse the members here who are not up to date on the technology. When I discovered this problem, I alerted Logan, included pics from my instal, and that of Ron Field, and suggested to him that this may be a problem down the road for other members. Nothing more, and here it is a year later...Go figure.

I had no need to call you and ask for a refund or replacement, my kit was a gift from another member here, and I decided to move on to another solution. I'm glad I did, my solution produced more power.

Either way, I don't care today. I'm not your enemy, Jay, nor do I hate you or your product. As long as you move forward to improve the kit, and to make ammends with customers who complain, I'm pleased that all of this was worth my time.

On a closing note...When you find that SCT Performance thread where I assaulted you and demanded your banning, please post a link to that here? I think it only fair that all members of MM.Net see what a jerk I really am.

-30-

[whoskal]

I like cookies. (peanut butter choclate chip)
:nocomm:
Oh yeah, I am very happy with my JLT.

[Smokie]

I realize this is not my business but I don't see a point in going further with the antagonism, The information is out there and there are no secrets left.

On one side we have some deformed tubes and Tucker said he will replace them at no charge. His kit has made a lot of people happy and it is a low cost HP gain.

On the other hand we as members of a club do help each other with information about what works and when there is a problem we tell each other. That is what we do.

All vendors on this forum have taken heat from time to time, ALL have. Once the problem has been exposed and the vendor offers a satisfactory solution to his customers, we should accept that and move on....I hope to see all of you at MV4....will drink to our disagreements.:D :beer:

[MM2004]

Awright.

I started this thread for the sole purpose of informing owners of the JLT intake of a potential issue with the tube on this kit.

The degregation of this tube due to heat, as was discovered on mine after a year and a half of driving pleasure.

Accolades were given to Jay for sending me another tube within a short time frame. I never once criticized Jay for his efforts on making it right.

The issue at hand is principle. That members who purchased this kit, should have been informed once this issue came to light over a year ago.

This thread has turned into personal swipes at several members that I consider friends of mine that have "Been there, Done that."

Yes, the defect on my tube was pointed out by one of these people that have been engaged by a vendor.

With that said Jay, you have support of many satisfied customers. And that is something to be proud of.

You have stated that a few kits were discovered suffering from said defect, and found it to be a "non-issue" due to the low volume of complaints.

I do not agree with your business tactics, and is apparent that a few customers that are unhappy, do not have an influence of your business decisions.

You simply choose to ignore "Best Business Practices."

I made the choice in starting this thread, now I am making the choice to close it.

Oh Mary!?!?!?!

Mike.

[TAF]

I realize this is not my business but I don't see a point in going further with the antagonism, The information is out there and there are no secrets left.

On one side we have some deformed tubes and Tucker said he will replace them at no charge. His kit has made a lot of people happy and it is a low cost HP gain.

On the other hand we as members of a club do help each other with information about what works and when there is a problem we tell each other. That is what we do.

All vendors on this forum have taken heat from time to time, ALL have. Once the problem has been exposed and the vendor offers a satisfactory solution to his customers, we should accept that and move on....I hope to see all of you at MV4....will drink to our disagreements.:D :beer:

Hey! get out of here Javier......comin' in here makin' all that sense^^^

Out! I said OUT!


* please return now to the B i t c h -slappin'



Hey Donny....you got any more of those Mike & Ike's??!!

http://www.oldtimeconfection.com/Count%20Goods/mikeassted%20bag.JPG

[KillJoy]

In before the Lock!

:D

KillJoy

[MM03MOK]

Jay, thank you for publicly stating that you'll replace your tube at no cost if provided with pictures of the deformed tube by the Member.

What I don't understand is why you're giving Mac grief about an issue he brought to your attention a year ago. Over the years here, we talk about vendor bashing. Member bashing is just as egregious, even more so when done by a vendor. Seems to me you're trying to deflect blame here. Yes, you have a number of very happy owners. If you had posted a year ago what you posted today, about taking care of any issues that might have occurred, we wouldn't be reading these threads now. You would have been applauded for being proactive about your product. I also have all the correspondence from a year ago about all this.

I'm glad a fix was found. We all need to move on now.