What am i doing wrong??? (Installing deep trans pan)

[Grifter]

I bought a B&M deep trans pan.. seems easy enough to install right? yeah i thought so too..
I have tried all the gaskets, OEM, and both that come with the pan, and all of them leak fluid out of the unused AOD bolt hole in the pan. What the hell is the deal? what miracle gasket am i supposed to use to get this thing to stop pissing fluid out that hole?

[Dennis Reinhart]

I bought a B&M deep trans pan.. seems easy enough to install right? yeah i thought so too..
I have tried all the gaskets, OEM, and both that come with the pan, and all of them leak fluid out of the unused AOD bolt hole in the pan. What the hell is the deal? what miracle gasket am i supposed to use to get this thing to stop pissing fluid out that hole?
You should use the OEM gasket never use a cork gasket the OEM is best

[Grifter]

yeah, thats what is in there now, and it leaks out of the un used AOD hole in the pan as well..

[rocknrod]

Hole in the PAN?

[SergntMac]

Unused AOD hole? Have you got the right pan? I have the deep pan for the 4R70W from Ford Racing, and there's no unused hole anywhere.

[JACook]

yeah, thats what is in there now, and it leaks out of the un used AOD hole in the pan as well..

Sarge hit it. An AOD pan is an AOD pan. A 4R70W pan is a 4R70W pan.
They do not interchange.

Edit- OK I know B&M sells a pan, pn 40291 that they list as fitting both. Not sure what B&M are smoking.
AFAIK, they are the only ones that claim to have a pan that will fit both, and I don't see how they do it.

I just went out and mated an AOD pan against a 4R70W case, and the bolt hole in the forward driver-side
corner intersects the 4R70W intermediate accumulator bore. It's definitely gonna leak, especially with the
good 4R70W molded pan gasket.

I suggest contacting B&M's tech line, and if they say anything about using a cork gasket, return the pan
and get the right one from Ford Racing. Or just return the pan and get the right one from Ford Racing,
and save yourself the headache.

[Krytin]

NO No NO.
Read the instructions (I didn't the first time either)!
I have the B&M pan installed on my car and it leaked w/the OEM gasket.
The instructions from B&M specify that you use the gasket supplied w/the pan.

I don't care much for cork gaskets either 'cause they s*ck.
Clean the spare AOD hole out and fill it w/RTV sealant. let it set up at least an hour and you're good to go.
I have over 18K leak free miles on the B&M pan with the hole plugged like this. Good luck Grifter

[Dennis Reinhart]

yeah, thats what is in there now, and it leaks out of the un used AOD hole in the pan as well..
You forgot to put the allen head plug in there

[JACook]

Sorry, but I hate one-size-almost-fits parts. I'm happy it worked out for you, but you couldn't pay me
to put that pan under my car. If B&M wants my business, they need to buck up and make a pan that
fits right. To say that this pan fits 4R70W is :bs:

If it takes a special (cork no less) gasket and silicone to keep their pan from leaking, I say it's junk.
And I don't reward companies for selling junk.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well we do not have this issue with the Art Car deep pan it does not req a speacial gasket the best gasket made is the rubber impregnated OEM gasket, the Art Car pan does have a threaded hole in the lip and they send a plug that goes in there if you leave it out yes it will leak, a 4R70W is the same as a AODE take a picture of it and post it

[JACook]

Does the Art Carr pan have both bolt holes then? And you have a threaded plug to seal off the one
you don't need? I suppose that's an acceptable compromise. Special cork gasket and silicone is not.

Not sure what you'd like a picture of.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Does the Art Carr pan have both bolt holes then? And you have a threaded plug to seal off the one
you don't need? I suppose that's an acceptable compromise. Special cork gasket and silicone is not.

Not sure what you'd like a picture of.

Well if you post a picture we can tell if it is the right pan?????

[JACook]

Ah, you're asking Grifter for a photo. Got it. Wasn't clear what you wanted, nor from whom...

[Grifter]

i did not get an allen plug with the pan. I will post a pic when i get it off the car again. there is no mention in the directions of a allen plug either.

I do not see how the hole will not leak either, none of the 3 gaskets i have cover the hole to keep it from leaking.

[Dennis Reinhart]

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1137699386-DSC00229.JPG
look at the RF corner you can see where the plug goes

[gonzo50]

I have the deep pan for the 4R70W from Ford Racing, and there's no unused hole anywhere.
Keep it simple, get the pan from Ford Racing, then you'll have no issues.:twocents:

[DEFYANT]

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1137699386-DSC00229.JPG
look at the RF corner you can see where the plug goes

HEY!?

Did I get a no-name deep trans pan? I know I ordered an Art Car :confused:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/2/6/4/4/transafter.JPG

I used the OEM gasket and needed the supplied allen plug also. No leaks here.

[fastblackmerc]

a 4R70W is the same as a AODE take a picture of it and post it

So our 4R70W can use the same pan as an AOD if I plug the extra hole? :confused:

[Dennis Reinhart]

Keep it simple, get the pan from Ford Racing, then you'll have no issues.:twocents:


I beg to differ Gonzo, Art Car makes a real good Pan as well.

Even numb nuts knows which gasket to use

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/damnumbnuts.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/installscrew.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/bothgskts.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/bothgsktsandpan.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/topartcar.jpg

[SergntMac]

Sorry, but I hate one-size-almost-fits parts. I'm happy it worked out for you, but you couldn't pay me to put that pan under my car. If B&M wants my business, they need to buck up and make a pan that fits right. To say that this pan fits 4R70W is :bs:

If it takes a special (cork no less) gasket and silicone to keep their pan from leaking, I say it's junk. And I don't reward companies for selling junk.Ditto...I agree and 100 percent too.

The Ford Racing tranny pan for the AOD/AODE is M-7195-AOD, pictured on page 133, 195.00, '06 FRP catalogue.

The Ford Racing tranny pan for the 4R70W/75W is M-7195-4R, pictured on page 133, 195.00, '06 FRP catalogue.

Both add 2 quarts to tranny fluid capacity and offer definitive and effective cooling features. "Worth it's weight", eh? A solid and proven mod.

IMHO...Buy the right part for the application, shortcuts never seem to work out.

I bought my FRP pan and bolted it into place, no worries. Used the OEM gasket too, and in the past 3 years and 25K miles too. No "extra" parts to buy, or, steps to take either. Buy the right stuff the first time, and it's a "no-brainer" from there.

BTW...B&M is the last on my list to buy any tranny stuff from. Like It's been said...Junk. They haven't a clue about our cars.

Just my .02C, carry on gents.

[FordNut]

My B&M pan does not have any unused holes. I use the OEM gasket with it. Maybe they discontinued the "correct" pan in favor of the "close enough" universal pan?

[Grifter]

thats the same way my pan is setup, as the last picture dennis posted.
Mine did not have the AOD hole threaded though. it is just a blank hole like the rest. But its 'good' now. I went to the locak hardware store and got a 000 size rubber plug and forced that to fit the hole (its 1/2" tapered rubber plug)
it hasnt dripped yet. I will continue to keep an eye on it and see if any develop as time goes on, but its a really tight fit.
There was no mention of blocking that hole in the directions when using it on a 4r70w.. It would have been so much easier if i would have known i needed to plug it before i started..
oh well, now anyone who installed this pan later will know the trick.

[sabtaj1]

Good pics. My TCI pan had the extra hole but had a plug to move if it was goin on a AOD. And I used the stock gasket also