would you buy marauder again?

[amerikan]

I know most of you would buy the car again, but if not... what would you buy instead?

[Macon Marauder]

1st choice: Marauder.

Tied for second:
Cobra
Lightning
:)

[mdmarauder]

1st Choice- 2003 Lincoln LS V8 Sport
2nd Choice- 2003 Crown Vic Sport
3rd Choice- 2003 Jag S-Type V8 (Money Permitting)

[Blue Marauder]

Fully restored 1964 Ford Galaxie R-code.

I can dream, can't I?

[MAD-3R]

In a freakin' heartbeat!!

[Murader03]

'64 - '65 Galaxie 500 fast back 427, 4-speed!

Or a new Mauarder with either KB's or DR's package!

[tomd]

A rice burner!
:P :eek: :shake: :stupid: :banned:

I’d go back to a Grand Marquis LS. Just wish they would put a better radio in it! Oh sorry don't mention that damn RADIO!
:P

[MN6]

1st Choice : Marauder (Supercharged next time)
2nd: Lightning with Big Motor and 6 Speed or Lingenfelter Z06
3rd: Hmm - How about an H2
4th: Wife wants a SL600 - Oh no.........Top 3 will be out

[marinemarauder]

1970 Olds 442, W-30 package

[drobin]

I'm not even close with being tired of my MM and would do it all over again...

Donald

[Long Live #3]

1967 Chevelle SS 454. A "true SS" is what my dad says, not a normal Chevelle with SS parts. From what I hear those cars are hard to find.

[tetsu]

If I had it to do over knowing what I know now about my current lifestyle situation, I wouldve gotten a Cobra or F150-HD edition.

I love my MM, but that is the situation. Of course, I probably wouldnt be able to keep my Cobra due to high insurance costs.

Johnny

[Logan]

I echo tetsu's sentiment. My biggest complaint on Marauder is the horrible resale value, though for some that isn't an issue at all.

[BODYMAN]

would not change a thing if I had to do it over. I'am more than satisfied w/ my car!!!!! Iam trysing to strick a deal on a silver one right know (maybe send it 2 triology??) 2- supercharged Marauders wouldn't that be nice!!!!!!

[Matt Johnson]

I love my car and would buy it again in a heartbeat...

Next on the list:

1. 2005 Mustang Cobra (or 2006 Shelby version, if I can wait that long)
2. BMW M5

[MAD-3R's Wife]

After a new mm

1. Lightning
2. '71 Buick Riveria Boatail with a modern 454 under the hood.

[tmac7]

I bought my MM for 27,500 (its worth it at that price) and after D. Reinhart did some upgrading its everything I wanted. For the price I would buy another one.

[jgc61sr2002]

Like the MM just the way it is. John

[RCSignals]

the question isn't what we would do, it's "what do you want?"

I would buy the Marauder.

[vaderv]

I would deffinately by this car again. Wold also get a jag XKR money permitting butt....

[Wags]

Well, sad to say that I probably would not get the Marauder. I do enjoy the car, but not enough to come up with that much money for what I got. Yes, it does outperform my SS, but only after tweeking it. I was originally going to get an SS Camaro convertable, but I really don't fit in it. The Marauder was the only game in town to replace my SS.

Long Live #3, there was no 454 Chevelle until 1970. There were 3 different flavors of 396's in '67. And yes, until 1969, ALL SS cars had vins that begin with 138. After that, the ONLY way to prove that it is a real SS car is with a build sheet.

Wags

[merc406]

Yes, am on my 4th 63 and looking for another with the S-55 option. Another 427 would be nice, but a Genesis alum. 427 is starting into production, would be nicer.
I can spend under 20 grand for the car and motor and not lose any value in these. I like the new ones but at 30 thousand new, I'll wait and buy one used in a couple a few years with a blower, hopefully factory installed.

[Constable]

Two lists, New Cars and Used cars

New: cobra (blue), lightning (grey), ZO6 (red).

Used: 95 Cobra R (obviously white), 95 Lightning (black), 96 Impala (black), 70 Chevelle SS LS6 4 speed (red w/ black stripes/int.), 67-68 Cougar (modified - 351w, 4 speed, blue w/ black vinyl top/int.), 69-70 Boss 429 w/ drag pack.

[Long Live #3]

Originally posted by Wags
Long Live #3, there was no 454 Chevelle until 1970. There were 3 different flavors of 396's in '67. And yes, until 1969, ALL SS cars had vins that begin with 138. After that, the ONLY way to prove that it is a real SS car is with a build sheet.
Wags

Well that's what my dad said. Wasn't the 454 an option in '67 though?

[JohnnyB]

2004 Mach 1 - competition orange

[merc406]

Mustang is a bomb waiting to happen, always was. It's to bad cause I like always liked the styling.

[Hemlock]

REALLY LIKE MM , WOULD DO IT AGAIN . NEXT CAR JAG "R" .

[Bigdogjim]

Originally posted by amerikan
I know most of you would buy the car again, but if not... what would you buy instead?

What would I buy???? F-150 Lighting....

[Bigdogjim]

Originally posted by Blue Marauder
Fully restored 1964 Ford Galaxie R-code.

I can dream, can't I?

My brother had one ***** what a car:D :)
Dark green black conv top........................... ........

Sitll dream about 7L Calaxie

[Marauder57]

At this point I would still get a Marauder....might even get a second later on in a couple years....

Next choice would be Harley Davidson F150. I had an F150 and it was great. Wish car would be 67 Vette with 427. But not too practical....

I really dig the MM...

[Raleigh Marauder]

The Marauder is my wife's car, and I really enjoy driving it, but if I were to replace my Cobra, it would probably be with a '04 Cobra ragtop. I would be tempted to go with the Marauder though - I'd have to think hard about it!


originally posted by merc 406
Mustang is a bomb waiting to happen, always was. It's to bad cause I like always liked the styling.

Can't say as I agree with your thoughts about the Mustang. That's all I've driven for 14 years - a 89 GT convertible, a 91 GT hardtop, and my current 97 Cobra hardtop. Bought all of them new and never had ANY problems with any of them. I'd be getting a new Cobra or Mach 1 if I could afford it right now.

[mad man]

No.1st Dodge ram hemi pickup short box 2 door not the house thay are now . and 2nd is finish my 1973 buick bobtail .:cool:

[Bob Mathis]

I would buy again, in fact I did, I think you all know I now have two. Now what does that tell you!! Love the car.

[MassMarauder]

IN A FREAKING HEARTBEAT! I've had my gears in for about 3 weeks now and I am extremely happy with this vehicle now. This car is exactly what I wanted. Big, comfortable, plenty of power...and I can peel off a nice piece of 2nd gear rubber at will.
Stage II is next!

[CRUZTAKER]

A Blue MM.

Option 2:
The goofy looking Dodge SSRT Hemi sport wagon.
I always wanted a station wagon with 400 hp.

Option 3: A boat. I want to retire on an island without roads.

[UncleLar]

The New Ford GT. 500HP,mid-engine,basically a larger and improved GT-40. Even better than my 73 Pantera was.
One of the 2 SSJ Duesenbergs
A genuine 64 Fairlane Thunderbolt or a really good re-pro.
A 64 Marauder S-55 427 dual quad 4 speed :coolman:

[jrzygrl]

Originally posted by Long Live #3
1967 Chevelle SS 454. A "true SS" is what my dad says, not a normal Chevelle with SS parts. From what I hear those cars are hard to find. Yeah, He's right that's the car my husband wants REAL BAD. Love the MM but, read the sig...

[tetsu]

Oh you guys are pulling out all the old stuff eh? Well few of those cars you mention can be had for the $30k of our Marauder.

However....

1970 Ford Torino SuperCobraJet with Drag-Pak can be had for that price. This is still my favorite all time Ford. I love 70-71 Chevelle SSs and Olds 442s also but my best friends dad had a Puke green Torino SCJ with a sickening pea green interior and I still think of that car as the coolest in our neighborhood:

Charger R/T, Cuda, SuperBee, NovaSS, Chevy2 all that stuff was everywhere in my neighborhood growing up. My buddies big sister used to get picked up by her boyfriend in a seriously lumpy sounding Challenger. Traction bars were more common that coffeecan mufflers are now.

Johnny

[Patrick]

My new debate. I l luved the 98 Mark 8 LSC (loaded) but was ready for a change. I have always luved the round driving lights of the mustang. And wanted pipes you could see! And I needed a full size car. Ford answered my prayers!!!

Ford is doing what alot of other companies are doing. Here is the base, Mod as you want! Thats the trend! No complaints!

Would I buy again, NO. I Have my MM!!!!!! Big black and bad!!!!!

Next toy, a 93 or 94 Mark 8 to tweak!!! But it have to black on black! And about 400 to 500 HP. Just a dream!!!!!

[cruzer]

Gonna drive my MM about 100,000 miles , then I'll think about another one--wouldn't consider anything else--I've waited 8 years for them to put the DOHC in a Grand Marquis ---got my wish---love it!!!!!!!!!!

[Patrick]

Amen!!!!!!!

[Wags]

Longlive#3,

No, there wasn't a 454 until '70. The ONLY engines in '67, for SS cars were the 3 different 396's. In '70, they came out with the LS5 454, with 365 hp, and the solid lifter LS6, which was rated at 450 hp. There are rumourd of a few 427 '67's, but these were dealer modified ones (like the later Yenko's and Baldwin's, and Nickey's), but no real proof of them. The 3 396's were the standard 325 hp, and the optional 360 and solid lifter 375 ones. ALL SS models until '69 had separate vin #'s (starting with 138), then in '69 they all started with 136, and the SS was an option that could be ordered. No build sheet, no real proof that it is a real SS car. There are many clones out there that people try to sell as real SS cars.

Wags

[MMpridenjoy]

Marauder....no other choices for me.

[screamdennis]

first choice my MM
second 57 chevy
third : a nice 60 s convertible 396 chevelle
58 pontaic bonnville
the MM is a great car next will be blue

[sprtyworty]

Absolutely love this Marauder, would definately do it again. This car really rounds our car thing. It is not our fastest or best looking, but is great just the same. The 03/04 MM is a coool car!

[nexstar7]

with the supercharger

[Long Live #3]

My dad had a '57 Chevy Bel Air. He took out the engine and put in the big block Corvette engine. Then he snapped the stock rear end and put in the Corvette rear end. He did a whole bunch of stuff to the car that he never told me about. He did all of this in a really small garage. It was about 10 ft wide and about 20 ft deep. Then when he went off to Vietnam he got a letter from his dad saying "Son, I sold your car." I can probably guess he wasn't happy.

[Constable]

independent rear / big block powered '57.... HOT CAR! Too bad about the sale. My dad did that to me one day when i was young. I came home from work and was looking for my modded Warrior so I could go hit the dirt track near my house... then he dropped the bomb: "I never saw you riding it, so I sold it." AAAAGGGHHHHH!!!

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by Long Live #3
Then when he went off to Vietnam he got a letter from his dad saying "Son, I sold your car." I can probably guess he wasn't happy.


I don't usually comment on military-related issues, but this gets my testicles in a knot. You go off to a foreign land to fight in the service of your country and hopefully not get your a$$ blasted off, and this is how you're repaid? Your family sells off your pride and joy right out from under you? Regardless of whether we as individuals are pro/against any given war, if you're there serving your country, I think you deserve better.

Now, to be a devil's advocate, maybe your Grand dad saw this as an opportunity to get rid of what was maybe a death-trap... maybe he felt that if your dad came back alive, he'd want to keep him alive.

[TripleTransAm]

I like this car... kind of. Styling wise, it's the cat's meow. I can't think of anything short of a tint job to make this thing look any better than it does from the factory. But as many of you may have noticed, I've been saddled with more glitches in the 1st month of ownership than I've ever had in years of owning other cars... in some cases, more problems than I've had in other cars in ALL the years I owned them!

So far:
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Shorted wiring harness on a bracket, blew PCM fuses, killed car while away on vacation
dangling wire in trunk (still unknown as to what it did, it was reconnected to ground)
squeaking front driver's seat
Groaning noise from the front end when warm(hood latch required tons of grease to quieten)
creaking noises from front end during sharp braking at low speeds (ie. rocking the car with gas/brake)
crap paint quality (mine is better than most I've seen but still scratch-prone)
heard the rear end clunk once or twice, thankfully not lately
brake booster changed to deal with a lazy brake light problem
DRLs constantly on
wipers turn on taillights and interior night lights (headlights always on, anyway!), regardless of outside light
[/list=1]


Knowing this, if I was faced with the situation of replacing this car with another, I'd have to give it some thought. Given what's (un)available in the market, I'd have to look at the Lincoln LS or perhaps the Town Car, but the added cost would certainly remove them from my list. Also, I have no warm fuzzy feeling about Ford assembly quality, so I'd be hesitant to try my hand at another Ford.

So, in other words, I have no clear cut answer. :(

And there's nothing in GM's camp that interests me right now.

Maybe Chrysler will have some cool stuff in a year or two. That might be worth looking into.

Then again, if the worst is behind me as far as MM ownership, then I have no qualms about sticking with the MM-fold, especially if they continue to produce the car in the future when it comes time to look for a replacement.

Just being honest... I still love the car.

[Long Live #3]

Originally posted by Constable
independent rear / big block powered '57.... HOT CAR! Too bad about the sale. My dad did that to me one day when i was young. I came home from work and was looking for my modded Warrior so I could go hit the dirt track near my house... then he dropped the bomb: "I never saw you riding it, so I sold it." AAAAGGGHHHHH!!!

Sorry, I ment the small block 327 Corvette engine.

[Long Live #3]

Originally posted by TripleTransAm
Now, to be a devil's advocate, maybe your Grand dad saw this as an opportunity to get rid of what was maybe a death-trap... maybe he felt that if your dad came back alive, he'd want to keep him alive.

Well they had 2 cars. So they got rid of one of them. I don't think it was the best choise either.

[amerikan]

If you guys had a choice of a foreign car, what would you get.. for example.. nissan.. toyota..some euro.. i know u guys are way against that.. but still..what would it be? ive been looking at the wrx.. but its built like crap.. 350z.. little overprices.. lemme know what you think.

[Long Live #3]

Rice burners :down:

[RCSignals]

We already bought our choice of foreign car (according to menace)

[MassMarauder]

LS430 for me

[RF Overlord]

Here's a good question:


originally asked by RC Signals:
Why is it no one blinks an eye about the pricing of a Nissan Maxima at over $30K, but the Marauder is "too much"?

Because people have the impression that foreign cars are automatically BETTER than Canadian-built American cars...I'm not going to debate anyone over whether the Maxima is in fact a great car, but I would NEVER own one as long as a decent American alternative is available...

Something else no one takes into account when spouting how much better foreign cars are, is how much more they generally cost to FIX...my sister-in-law has a '98 Jetta VR6 that's she's sunk thousands of dollars of repairs into, and the local VW dealer has treated her like dirt every time...she only goes there because NO ONE else will work on the stupid thing...

[TAF]

would you buy marauder again?

yep

[chapel1]

Yes I'd by a Marauder again.I waited for Ford to put some Horsepower in thier C/V or GM for at least 3 years.Which really bugs me is that ford could'nt or would'nt try building a more powerful car as soon as chevy closed down thier "96" impala?Day late and a dollar short.

[RCSignals]

RF, are you trying to confuse me? Didn't I post that in another thread?

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by amerikan
If you guys had a choice of a foreign car, what would you get.. for example.. nissan.. toyota..some euro.. i know u guys are way against that.. but still..what would it be?


If I was to buy a foreign car along the lines of the MM (ie. high on the 'prestige' scale), I'd probably look at something German like an Audi A8 (S8?). If I had to go Japanese, it would be a Lexus.

But if I just needed another car of ANY category, Honda would win hands-down. Even my POS rusted-out 1984 and 1985 Hondas were ultra-reliable. And my 1998 Civic EX is going to be tough to get rid of... it's been a SOLID reliable car. If it wasn't for the fact I wanted a full-perimeter frame and that I fell in love with the concept of owning a modern 4-door 'musclecar', I'd have traded-up to a new Accord or perhaps the current Acura 3.2 TL type-S. I still may consider a used 2002-2003 TL type-S some years down the line...

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by RF Overlord

Because people have the impression that foreign cars are automatically BETTER than Canadian-built American cars...


Because they generally are... :(

My 1998 Civic EX has cost me $0.00 (Canadian... that's $0.00 US with the current exchange rate) in unscheduled repairs or maintenance. All I've had to put into it has been gas and oil/filter changes. Period. And I wouldn't have expected anything less from it...

My POS 1984 and 1985 Civic 4drs... you couldn't kill them. The body durability was crap, but mechanically they were tough. My 1984 was the one I put together from 2 cars, and ran for many years on the same oil. Even blasted it to 7800 RPM in 2nd gear for 20-30 seconds in a case of road rage (some drunken punks tried to spit into my car and I decided not to let them get away with it).

You see it often in my family: my uncle went through a troublesome Chrysler LeBaron GTS, a horrible Ford Taurus, and a couple of others before settling on his current early-90s Accord which has been solid for a decade, no problems. My cousin went through several Escorts, a Buick Century, and a Firebird before getting his hands on a Nissan 200SX which is still going strong. My dad was used to a certain expected level of failure, having only owned American cars. He's shocked at how his '93 Honda Accord has just kept running with no failures thus far.
And I could waste a lot more space bringing up tons of other examples...

It's not ALL bad... even though my Norwood,Ohio-build GTA could be categorized as a clunky American car, my Canadian-built 1998 Trans Am WS6 has been a fantastic automobile so far. Economical, dizzyingly powerful (~350hp at the crank), and fun to drive. Best of all, glitches have been minimal... very minimal. In fact, what few problems I HAVE experienced have been due to GM's bean counters opting for cheap materials... like, for instance, those horrible headlight motors that keep stripping gears.




Something else no one takes into account when spouting how much better foreign cars are, is how much more they generally cost to FIX...


Yes, parts are definitely more expensive. But maybe that's why they last longer, or are less prone to failure. Every auto engineer has to ride the fine line between over-engineering a part and cutting too many corners.

If you consider that my 1998 Civic has never been at the dealer for any repairs in 5 years, and yet my MM has visited the dealer 4 times in the past month, my WS6 goes in once a year, and my GTA *always* has something needing attention.... it's hard not to jump on the bandwagon. :(


Now, what someone HAS to explain to me is... why is it that a North-American-built car of Japanese origins ends up being more reliable than a North-American-built car from an American car company????????? This is where the REAL issue lies...

[gonzo50]

Originally posted by amerikan
I know most of you would buy the car again, but if not... what would you buy instead?
The MARAUDER with the Eaton Supercharger as in the S55, loaded:

Since I Love Muscle Cars, my other choices would have to come from that 1970's group that I admire so much.

1. 1970 Monte Carlo SS (454 ci), 360 hp @ 4400 rpm and 500 lb-ft @ 3200 rpm.
2. 1970 Buick GSX (455 ci), 360 hp @ 4600 rpm and 510 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm.
3. 1970 Chevelle SS (454 ci), 450 hp @ 5600 rpm and 500 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm.
4. 1970 Mustang Boss (429 ci), 375 hp @ 5200 rpm and 450 lb-ft @3400 rpm.

If I had the funds right now, they would ALL be in my garage, period. :bounce:

[Matt Johnson]

I'm not "way against" foreign cars at all...I'm almost the opposite. The MM is the first "American" car I've ever purchased. Before that it was BMW, Toyota, Saab (although GM took them over and I had horrible problems with that car so I consider it "American").

Now I own the MM, which I drive, and lease a Lexus RX300, which my wife drives. The build quality on the Lexus is far superior to the MM.

I love my MM, drive it daily and much more than I "have" to because I love driving it and look for any excuse to take it out, but I have not become an "American car guy" because of it. There's not another American car on the market right now that I'd consider. I'm very interested in the redesign of the Mustang, and the 2005 Cobra might make it to my driveway , but that's about where it ends for me right now with domestic brand autos.

I would buy another Lexus without hesitation. And a BMW will be a definite future purchase of mine. I can't say the same about any "American" car.

[Bigdogjim]

Originally posted by amerikan
If you guys had a choice of a foreign car, what would you get.. for example.. nissan.. toyota..some euro.. i know u guys are way against that.. but still..what would it be? ive been looking at the wrx.. but its built like crap.. 350z.. little overprices.. lemme know what you think.

At 6'6" if I had to look at "foreign" I only look at trucks. Right now no "foreign" big trucks:mad: So I would stay with FORD 26 years best selling pick-up truck in the WORLD:cool: :D Nuff said

[mercjerc]

No! Too many mods to make it a real beast.

[MM03MOK]

Originally posted by mercjerc
No! Too many mods to make it a real beast.

But what else is out there off the lot without paying through the nose? (I didn't say that to start a whole new discussion.) The Marauder is mine and I'm sticking with it. And, it comes with the best friends around! Can't beat that with a stick.....
:rock:

[SouLRioT]

I was wanting this car since 98 when i saw a concept shot of a car called the ford renagade. I traded in a 01 toyo Solara with only 7,000 miles on it. This is my car and I will enjoy it till IT dies.

[RCSignals]

Originally posted by mercjerc
No! Too many mods to make it a real beast.

what production car doesn't need mods to become a "real beast"?
People mod everything

[schuvwj]

Originally posted by amerikan
I know most of you would buy the car again, but if not... what would you buy instead?

No I would buy a Lighting. MM needs more power for $35,000.
Maybe thats why the MM is going to be discontinued.

[sprtyworty]

Foreign car alternative huh? Always liked the Jag XJR nice fit and finish and great acceleration, a little dated but I like them that way. To be fair it would have to be used however since were talking replacement.

[mercjerc]

Being single without a need for passenger space and a ton of storage I would run, not walk or jog, run back to my 225hp Audi TT Quatro Roadster. Price diff for me was not that drastic. I know that its not a fair comparison; two completely diff classes of automobiles. The TT out thrills the MM hand down. Product quality is of a whole different level. Having owned both (still have the MM) I would have to say the TT was tops out of the box. Damn I miss that car. If I were to stay with American muscle I would go with a Lightening or something from the late 60's. Otherwise I'm lining up for the Audi RS6 Quatro!!!

[amerikan]

yeah Audi TT is a solid car, my friend owns one, nice car. What do you guys think of the wrx?

[mercjerc]

WRX is a bass ass ride. But the price is getting out of control.

[amerikan]

yeah theyre getting crazy.. like 26k.. but i talked to the dealer i can get a 2k4 for 500 over invoice.. what do you think of that?

[bugsys03]

you cant beat the MM for bang for the buck. nothing else is even close for the money. nothing around here turns heads like my black beauty(except maybe the viper and i can buy 3 MMs for that price and cant take my kids with!!)
also to logan--dont worry about the resale. keep your MM nice for 15-20 years and you will get more than you paid for it. these cars will be collectors items

[amerikan]

bugsy i didnt wanna say it. but i agree with you.. as long as u dont run up the miles like crazy ull definately get ur money out.. actually. i think maybe even a few years after they cease production.good thinking -greg

[cyclone03]

you know I've been watching this post,and thinking about it.........
Honestly I don't think I would buy again.
I had a 2000 F150 HD that I traded in for the MM and i mis it.
The Marauder is a great car but truth is it lacks power,yes I know that can be fixed but I cant aford to loose the warrenty.
When these cars come up on the used market in 3-4 years they'll be $10,000-15,000 maybe less,then they'll be ready to mod and run.
If ,some how,I still have it I'd really like to stuff a 5.4DOHC or ,with a huge hole in the hood,a lightening 5.4.

[amerikan]

i hope they wont me 15k in 3 years.. what do you guys think? 15K?

[deerejoe]

Cyclone certainly has a point.
However, buying a muscle car is always an emotional deal.

This automobile in a 12 inch shorter wheel base, a tudor chassis and 350 HP (min.) would really get me emotional...so, would I buy another Marauder...you bet, in the afore suggested package!!

[Logan]

A used marauder is already worth less than $24k. A dealer won't give much more than $21500 now, if that. So yes, two years from now, it'll be about $15-17k.

[amerikan]

argh.. not good.. i just dont get it.. why didnt ford just sell this car supercharged or what not.. it didnt cost them that much extra to build a reputation and improve the resale value? i just dont get it

[Logan]

1st Problem is that's it's a Mercury. I'm a Merc lover, but geez... Decade's of mis-management have left all Merc's with the possible exception of the Mountaineer have horrible resale values.

2nd Problem in my opinion is the whole "Crown Vic" collision stigma has been attached to the panther platform in general. That definately affects resale.

[cyclone03]

Originally posted by deerejoe
Cyclone certainly has a point.
However, buying a muscle car is always an emotional deal.

350 HP (min.) would really get me emotional...!!

Thats the truth.
If the Marauder had that extra 50hp I don't think it would NEED to loose the 12" in the middle.But a 2 door too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hummmm
Full size 2 door,yea that would be cool too.

Id like to see a full point of compression increase and a REAL premium only tune up,that should give 350-375hp with an increase of lowend torque to boot.Then only a set of gears.No way the factory will pay the gas guzzler tax on a full size car.

[deerejoe]

One can 'save' the vehicle for posterity or whatever by maintaining a minimal ac***ulation of use/mileage.
One could also drive the vehicle and enjoy it for what it was designed for.
Pleasure had to be tops on my list of reasons to purchase the car.
Therefore, my pleasure comes from using the car whenever the mood moves me.
'Saving it' just seems such a waste of of quality time for enjoying it.

[jgc61sr2002]

Originally posted by amerikan
i hope they wont me 15k in 3 years.. what do you guys think? 15K? I sold a 2000 GM with the handling package in Jan. for $16,500. A low mileage (7,300 miles) car in excellent condition. I would think the MM would be worth more especially if FMC stops production. IMHO.

[amerikan]

jgc61sr2002 , im keeping my hopes up.. but that sounds good.deere joe i couldnt agree with you more... you buy the car knowing its not going to hold value.. might as well enjoy it

[amerikan]

what do you guys think about the 350z

[sprtyworty]

It just amazes me how many complaints there are about the lack of power in the Marauder. Did we not all take a test drive? What more do you want from this car for the price. Some of the cars mentioned as replacements may be faster, but do they really have size, power, comfort, handling, MPG, safety, and above all eye ball of the $30,000 Marauder as a package. I would also like to say I am happy with the power of this 4,200 lb 4 door sedan when the gears, and chip have been installed. Of course we would all like more power so add it or spend a lot more money for a car that comes with. I am familiar with fast cars and have owned numerous examples. The MM is not a slow car!

[RCSignals]

true sprtyworty

[03MERCMARAUDER]

I love my marauder, But if I got rid of it I would replace it with another lightning, I already have a lightning and I love it to death, that or an 03 cobra

[SergntMac]

Originally posted by amerikan
what do you guys think about the 350z

Man-oh-man, I'm glad you asked. I just got to tell you, my 350Z is one hot ride, and a life saver too.

There I was, just this last January, looking at knee deep powder, and I'm baracaded in my garage. This won't do, I have to get out and report for duty, it's a city-wide emergency, and I can't be snowed in myself. My AWD Mountaineer was ready to rock and roll, but I needed that few feet of pavement to launch.

Well, there she was, all red and ready, anxious to take on her challenger. She fired up on the first notch in the ignition key, and she was ready to get it on! Spitting fire at the starting line she was, no water box warm ups thank you. I got excellent bite at the launch and she just kept pulling, I felt better already. I knew this Girl would pull hard and come through for me, really put out and she did. My 0-60 feet was flat, clean, I pitched snow like you never saw before, it was a real "come to Jesus" morning. I was on my way to work much sooner than I thought I would be, in fact, I got there early.

Yep, you bet. My Toro 350Z is one hot Lady, never thought they would build a snowblower this efficient, and she's pretty too. Got some real knobbies on her, and she knows just how to dig her heels in and push forward. Damn, I'm in love...

[RCSignals]

:lol: Mac

[amerikan]

hahaahha MAC i was wondering what you were talking about untill the end... i knew u were up to something LMAO... yea guys.. marauder for the money.. you cant get any better especialy with the simple modifications done

[studio460]

Whoa! This is one loooooong thread . . .

1. Yeah, I'd buy another Marauder (in fact, I might if a 2004 model actually ships). But I'd find one with better paint.
2. Sure, I'd like an Audi S6 or a BMW M5. But you could almost buy three Marauders for the price of an S6/M5.
3. BMWs aren't as fun to mod.
4. The only thing more commonly seen in L.A. than black BMWs are black Audis (the slow ones).
5. There are like four million black Audi A4s and black BMW 3/5/7-series at the parking lot at work.
6. Have you ever SEEN the price for a replacement alternator on a 7 series?
7. A black 350Z would be nice for the mountains.
8. A Mustang GT convertable for the summer.
9. I'm sure I'll be droolling over the '05 Cobras when they come out next fall.

But another Marauder? 2004, here I come . . .

[amerikan]

couldn't agree with you more NBC shooter. BTW guys i have decided to keep the marauder!!! lets hope its not guna be in the shop again for a while.. 30 says without it! unbelievable

[amerikan]

If i where to sell my marauder right now what do you think i would get for it.. 22k miles

[Paul T. Casey]

Choice #1 Marauder, Black 300A w/ cd changer (oops got one).
Choice#2 Marauder, Black 300A w/ cd changer (oh yeah).
Choice # 3 Marauder, Black 300A w/ cd changer (hmmm).
I waited too long for this car, 3ish years and was pleasantly surprised, better than I thought. When was the last time you took a 60-70 anything (over 3500 lbs) through a 90 degree turn at 65mph, mashed a brake pedal on 4 wheel drums, or didn't have to spend a weekend (not to mention 100k miles) tweaking timing, cleaning plugs, adjusting dwell. This car is GREAT!!

[tomd]

Originally posted by RCSignals
the question isn't what we would do, it's "what do you want?"

I would buy the Marauder.

NO this is the question.

:D

"I know most of you would buy the car again, but if not... what would you buy instead?"

[amerikan]

haha, so whats your answer TOMD

[cyclone03]

Originally posted by sprtyworty
It just amazes me how many complaints there are about the lack of power in the Marauder. Did we not all take a test drive? What more do you want from this car for the price. Some of the cars mentioned as replacements may be faster, but do they really have size, power, comfort, handling, MPG, safety, and above all eye ball of the $30,000 Marauder as a package. I would also like to say I am happy with the power of this 4,200 lb 4 door sedan when the gears, and chip have been installed. Of course we would all like more power so add it or spend a lot more money for a car that comes with. I am familiar with fast cars and have owned numerous examples. The MM is not a slow car!

Sporty you answered your own amazment,
Yes I drove it,It's still got ok power but thats all,ok.........
As for the cost I paid more than 30k for mine,more like 33+ out the door but thats not my point.

In the middle of your above quete is my point


"I would also like to say I am happy with the power of this 4,200 lb 4 door sedan when the gears, and chip have been installed. "

I agree thats what the car needs but I drive my car away from my local dealer,sometimes 1500+miles away.I can't take the chance that I'll get burned on a repair because some dealer thinks that chip wiped out a cam or torque converter.
To bad Mercury didn't have the guts to put 4.10's in it from the factory.

The question was would I buy again.
NO my HD F150 was just as black,and just as cool,had shiney wheels and pipes and ran the 1/4 in 15.74sec to my stock 15.36 for the Marauder.As a mater of fact HOT off the street they ran the same.Only after a 1 hour cool down did it run the 15.36.

[amerikan]

cyclone i still dont understand how you are comparing a truck to the marauder. I have a toyota tundra right now... great truck 4.7 v8... i just cant compare the two if anything marauder comes out a +.. marauder seats 5 comfortable...has more potential...looks more sleek...as long as u dont need the car for off road or hauling.. i dont understand ur reasoning. but thats just you.. and also.. why did u buy the marauder if u liked ur truck more?


cyclone.. just curious..not meant to slaughter ur opinion

[JLHARVEY1]

If I could afford it, I'd buy one in each color. And I don't think the car is underpowered (and my previous car was a C5 Vette). I would like for it to have more though (you can never have too much).... That's what Chips, Headers, X-Pipe, Pulleys, etc... Are for :-D

I think most people complaining by the lack of power are just brain-washed by the media that thinks that every car needs to do 0-60 in 4.0 and run the 1/4 in less than 13 seconds....

Let's be honest, 15's are quite respectable and it'll outrun it's modern day competition (Bonneville SSEi and 300M). And most people compare it to the Impala SS, but that car's dead and it'll still run with it anyways. I wouldn't be suprised if it'll outrun them. Just need a fair comparison. Magazines stats don't count. Need to have one of each. Both need to be bone-stock and run the 1/4 on a drag strip on the same day/same time. Has anybody done this yet? 1/4 mile slips don't count. Different times and different tracks affect the out-come. But regardless of the outcome, I could careless. I wouldn't trade mine for an SS just to possible gain a tenth or two in the quarter mile. I could care less about traveling above 117 mph (my car is driven on the street; not the track) . What matters to me is I have a better looking car (IMHO), with more refinement and a much nicer interior. Oh yeah, more features and far superior ride and handling. I could go on and on.

Point is, I love my car thus far. And every car has it's downfalls. Any of the downfalls that my car has are either unimportant to me, or easily fixed.

:-D

[Patrick]

Good points Jason. Every type and models have thier flaws! Everyone has thier own needs, power, speed, off the line and all that stuff!! Want pure power, spend your money on a Viper! It will dust everything!! Would I buy again?? No! I got my MM. And I will do the Mods to fit me! And they will kill MM soon! I have a full size, RWD, that even later on down the road will still turn heads!! Luv My MM!!!!!! Patrick

[mercjerc]

What would you guys say an MM would go for with the RPC, 4.10s, plug and thermo with 11k on the clock? Mint!

[tomd]

Originally posted by amerikan
haha, so whats your answer TOMD

I gave mine along time ago. I'd go back to a Grand Marquis LS, a lot of car for the buck! But I will miss my Marauder!:(

[SergntMac]

Originally posted by mercjerc
What would you guys say an MM would go for with the RPC, 4.10s, plug and thermo with 11k on the clock? Mint!

I've been watching my investments in the car and mods from day one, everything I've accomplished was balanced against the cost and against the loss. You're not going to like this, but it's the truth, IMHO.

24K to a private party who wants your mods, let them drive it before you talk about mods.

22.5K to a dealer, and keep your mouth shut on the mods, or pull them. You're going to lose any benefit you paid for on the mods alone, and their presence could further devalue your car to a dealer who isn't in the know.

This is right now, once an '04 roll off the truck, it will get worse.

There is another thread here on this, with more 411.

[prchrman]

Jag...390hp...wow...

[jgc61sr2002]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SergntMac
I've been watching my investments in the car and mods from day one, everything I've accomplished was balanced against the cost and against the loss. You're not going to like this, but it's the truth, IMHO.

24K to a private party who wants your mods, let them drive it before you talk about mods.

22.5K to a dealer, and keep your mouth shut on the mods, or pull them. You're going to lose any benefit you paid for on the mods alone, and their presence could further devalue your car to a dealer who isn't in the know.

This is right now, once an '04 roll off the truck, it will get worse.

There is another thread here on this, with more 411. [ /QUOTE] Sarge - I think most of us realized the MM would depreciate rapidly. I myself am in for the long haul and don't care about depreciation. The MM is an excellent automobile for the $'s.

[amerikan]

I agree that the MM is the best car for the buck...I mean, there is nothing that competes with it for the same price.

[deerejoe]

Keep the car and use it...forget about depreciation. The market is slow on ALL sales right now.
Anything under 30K miles will bring top, market dollar if you truly decide to sell.
Whatever led you to buy it can guide you on whether to sell.

[Marauder57]

I will say this about that....

I have had my car a week today. THere is never a day that I wish I had bought anything different (and I have not even WOT yet) but everyday I wish I had bought it sooner.

Nirvana is cruising at 80 like your sliding on satin....... :cool4:

[schuvwj]

Originally posted by sprtyworty
It just amazes me how many complaints there are about the lack of power in the Marauder. Did we not all take a test drive? What more do you want from this car for the price. Some of the cars mentioned as replacements may be faster, but do they really have size, power, comfort, handling, MPG, safety, and above all eye ball of the $30,000 Marauder as a package. I would also like to say I am happy with the power of this 4,200 lb 4 door sedan when the gears, and chip have been installed. Of course we would all like more power so add it or spend a lot more money for a car that comes with. I am familiar with fast cars and have owned numerous examples. The MM is not a slow car!

Sprtywothy I guess I am confused why you are so amazed why many of us are disappointed with the MM power at $35,000 when I see you have added a chip and 4:10 gears???

Apparently at one time you felt the same or why invest in a chip and gears?

[SergntMac]

Hey guys...I wasn't dissin the MM, and I never would. I was only addressing the "dollars" question.

I too, am in for the long haul, there hasn't been a car like this out of America for years now, and I do not expect to see another car like the MM out of Detroit soon at all. But, that wasn't the question I replied too, eh?

Someone asked about dollars, and I offered my best guess on dollars. It is a scale I watch, but just for my records. It's not any "guiding" scale for me. The MM is what it is, and costs what it cost. The rest is emotional and pleasure value, and that is still an extremely high index in my books

I'm sorry to have ruffled some feathers, didn't mean to do so.

Nonetheless, how ya doin Bill? You missed our last meet...

[Bigdogjim]

Yes thats right 33 years. Last Marauder was 1970. I had aX-100 429. My buddies had faster cars but, mine was cool:coolman: A BIG lead sleigh that would move:D .

Now in '03 the god of thunder and speed appears again:cool:
No brainer on my end. What am I looking for next:confused:
Nothing. It don't get no better:)

You gotta buy what move you soul thats why we are 2%'s.

Big Dog=Marauder:)
Nuff said

[merc]

It’s time for Merc to chime in. I feel that I should have purchased another car, but after dealing with Ford about my claim being denied pertaining to my car cover I will never purchase a Ford product again. Most, if not all dealers sales staffs are unknowledgeable and don’t understand customer service. Not like I have never had this problem in the past, but Ford excels in foolishness. I must have injected Jack Daniels in my veins when I purchased this overpriced piece of metal. Don’t get me wrong; we all know this car could have been better. Look at Car and Driver Magazine this month. On the front cover is pair four cylinder cars producing 300 hp with really cool factory modifications. When have you seen the Marauder on any Magazine cover? Ok, the rant is over.

If you ask me what my second choice would be? The answer is a big black mule with a modified leather saddle and chrome inserts with the licence plate that reads :Get Off My A$$. O-60 times would suck, but I would not have to deal with Ford.

:uzi: :lol:

I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a Mercury Marauder, the most powerful 4 door Sedan in the world, and would blow your bumpers clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?

Dirty Merc

[RCSignals]

OK merc, if you could remove your car cover experience, and the experience of trying to get ford to pay the damage, what your answer be?

Even after reading your post I'm getting the feeling you would buy a MM again

[amerikan]

merc.. you like the car.. i can see youre a little upset.. what exactly happend to your car?

[MAD-3R]

Hey Merc, "I feel your pain."

I can't even get them to put my motor back together... I will NEVER go to that dealer for anything. And Mercury Customer Service Corprete is useless. They can't help for anyof this. Oh well.

But, even with all the problems, I would STILL buy this car again.

[2003_MM_FYRE49]

I agree with you MAD-3R. It is beyond me why Ford has this so called "Customer Service". They are as worthless as a three dollar bill. Each and every time I have contacted them about a problem I've been told that they can't do anything because the dealers are independantly owned but they will note the problem and forward a copy of the complaint to the dealer pinciple. Which the dealer principle gets and throws it into the trash as he's laughing at us. I thought that was the reason "Customer Service" was there, to keep the dealers in line??? Apearantly it is there to make the owners feel better when they see it listed in the owners manual, and nothing more. As much as I love my Marauder I can see Ford going into the toilet just like they, and the rest of the American car companies were 20 years ago when they didn't give a ***** about us. Shortly there after every American car company was kissing our a$$es to get our biz back, but it appears that they forgot about the late 70's and early 80's and are headed in the same direction. Just my .02

Tim

[TAF]

I'm REALLY sorry to read all these unfortunate stories...and consider myself VERY fortunate, because I LOVE my car and I have a GREAT dealer that helps me take care of it. And, I appreciate everything done by Dennis to make the car perform at it's highest N/A potential.

(thought I'd try to infuse a little "positive energy" here)

[merc]

Originally posted by RCSignals
OK merc, if you could remove your car cover experience, and the experience of trying to get ford to pay the damage, what your answer be?

Even after reading your post I'm getting the feeling you would buy a MM again

This is my third Lincoln Mercury car. The first was a 1989 Town car; the second is a 1996 Continental, now a 2003 Marauder. Just about every time I visit a Ford service center I must contain myself from calling in a fire mission. As you know I hate Japanese cars, but they made their mark because we failed to make appropriate market adjustments. You asked, do you like your MM and would you buy another one ? Hell no, I would rather have sex with Osama Bin Laden’s mother before dealing with the Ford Al-Qaeda network.

:flamer:

[sprtyworty]

Regarding my amazement about the disapointed MM owners regarding power. I purchased my car prior to finding out about MM.net. I was happy with my $ vs. power with the car the day I purchased becaused I also factored comfort, size handling etc. After discovering that there were some proven mods available I proceeded to make the car even better. Maybe I have chosen the wrong words to express my satisfaction with the car overall. Loved the car out of the gate, love the car now even more with the simple mods. Yes, I would do it again.

[merc]

Originally posted by amerikan
I agree that the MM is the best car for the buck...I mean, there is nothing that competes with it for the same price.

http://www.mercurymarauder.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2658&highlight=cover

I hope this will explain some of the issues.

This weekend I will post the Final reply from Ford, and it will make you think twice about adding mods to your car. Even if is a ford factory part.




I know what you're thinking. Did he have a six cylinder or a supercharged eight cylinder ? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a Mercury Marauder, the most powerful 4 door Sedan in the world, and would blow your bumpers clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?

Dirty Merc

[RCSignals]

merc, I know you'd never buy a Japanese car. I admit that i have in the past, and can assure you the attitude is that "We don't build cars that have problems" Attitude not just from a dealer, but from the manufacturer.
I know I'm not alone in that experience

[jrzygrl]

Amerikan, bottom line....do what's gonna be best for YOU. I've seen it a milllion times in my line of business, people start taking advice/opinions from too many other people and end up more confused and miserable than before...go with what's in your heart
period.........

[sprtyworty]

This thread must end. If you regret your purchase...move on...sell your car. For the rest of us lets have fun!

[sprtyworty]

Sorry if I offend anyone but we own it so lets enjoy, love mine.

[jrzygrl]

Originally posted by sprtyworty
This thread must end. If you regret your purchase...move on...sell your car. For the rest of us lets have fun! That's more or less what I meant.....

[schuvwj]

Originally posted by SergntMac
Hey guys...I wasn't dissin the MM, and I never would. I was only addressing the "dollars" question.

I too, am in for the long haul, there hasn't been a car like this out of America for years now, and I do not expect to see another car like the MM out of Detroit soon at all. But, that wasn't the question I replied too, eh?

Someone asked about dollars, and I offered my best guess on dollars. It is a scale I watch, but just for my records. It's not any "guiding" scale for me. The MM is what it is, and costs what it cost. The rest is emotional and pleasure value, and that is still an extremely high index in my books

I'm sorry to have ruffled some feathers, didn't mean to do so.

Nonetheless, how ya doin Bill? You missed our last meet...
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Hey Sarg I’m doing pretty good, how's the old MM girl running? If I know you she is running real nice and fast because the last time I saw you, you blew my MM doors off. Had to use duct tape on them to get back home.

Sorry about missing the last meeting I really intended on attending but my wife volunteered us to baby-sit our grandson Tyler without checking my calendar.

Promise I'll be at the next chicken meet and fire up those rear tires again!

I am still pacing the floor wondering what I should do. Mods? or No Mods? I have enough money set aside to purchase Stage 1 and Stage 2 from Dennis but we are starting to hear a lot of negatives about other MM owners getting left out in the cold on Warranty refund issues after Mods.

I guess you need to look at the MM Mods like life, it to will be too short so do it now and have fun today because there may be no tomorrow!

I asked the wife if she would go with me from Peoria IL. to Dennis Reinhart’s Shop in Florida this summer and have Dennis install Stage 1 and 2 packages but she is still reluctant to go.

May have to go alone.

Plan to have Dennis install the following:
1) Chip or reprogram ECM.
2) The new Pulley’s.
3) 180 degree Stat.
4) Denso Plugs.
5) Small headers with easy flow converters with pipes.
6) New heavier rear sway bar new from Dennis.
7) 4:30 gears.
8) Cold air package when complete.
9) Maybe new Torque Converter (I‘m still on the fence with this one).
10) Ford guy final tune-up.

Sarge great to hear from you again, hope to see you soon!!!
Have great day by making them pay you their pink slips!

[amerikan]

about the warranty.. the car has 36k warranty.. unfortunately i had major problems.. i doubt any of you will.. so as little as the warrant is.. GO FOR THE MODS.. oh yea.. i raced a wrx with cold air and cat back exhaust today.. kept even till 60... after 60 i toasted him.. i duno how... but i did

[SergntMac]

Originally posted by schuvwj
I guess you need to look at the MM Mods like life, it to will be too short so do it now and have fun today because there may be no tomorrow!

Plan to have Dennis install the following:
1) Chip or reprogram ECM.
2) The new Pulley’s.
3) 180 degree Stat.
4) Denso Plugs.
5) Small headers with easy flow converters with pipes.
6) New heavier rear sway bar new from Dennis.
7) 4:30 gears.
8) Cold air package when complete.
9) Maybe new Torque Converter (I‘m still on the fence with this one).
10) Ford guy final tune-up.


I agree, it's a here and now, or maybe later issue everyone has to decide for themselves. But, here is the good news, you don't have to go to FL. to get this stuff. My LM dealers can install it all for you, think in terms of a day in Chicago, maybe one overnight where we can call on other MM members and keep you two busy.

Your list seems well tuned and the 4:30s will give you an edge over all other N/A cars. I suggest you skip #8 for now, nothing is really developed yet. But, surely do #9. The Stallion is by no means any small mod. After all, it's all of Stage II by itself.

#10 wouldn't be available in Fl. anyway, Jerry and Pete hail from MI, and if you get a RPC today, it's been improved with more focus on the MM. You will do well until a power tune is available locally.

Now...If what you want to do is drive to FL anyway, go fer it.

[amerikan]

Guys, Anyone know what the expected gains from the torque converter would be.. ive been hearing 30rwhp.. but i honestly dont know.. lemme know thanks

[schuvwj]

Originally posted by SergntMac
I agree, it's a here and now, or maybe later issue everyone has to decide for themselves. But, here is the good news, you don't have to go to FL. to get this stuff. My LM dealers can install it all for you, think in terms of a day in Chicago, maybe one overnight where we can call on other MM members and keep you two busy.

Your list seems well tuned and the 4:30s will give you an edge over all other N/A cars. I suggest you skip #8 for now, nothing is really developed yet. But, surely do #9. The Stallion is by no means any small mod. After all, it's all of Stage II by itself.

#10 wouldn't be available in Fl. anyway, Jerry and Pete hail from MI, and if you get a RPC today, it's been improved with more focus on the MM. You will do well until a power tune is available locally.

Now...If what you want to do is drive to FL anyway, go fer it.

Thanks Sarg for the great idea to have your local LM dealer install Dennis’s Mods. This would definitely reduce overall travel time. I need to go talk to my LM sales manager and service manager again to see if their no mod policy has changed.

I ran into a friend today. He just bought a new 2003 Cavalier and the local GM dealer informed him that they will add any GM approved Mods and back his warranty?!? My local LM dealer won’t even add 4:30s without voiding my warranty!

I’ve heard from the local SM that FMC is trying to reduce warranty costs to save them money but I think their plan is going to back fire. I guess FMC doesn’t need our money! Maybe it’s time to look at a non FMC product.

Sorry Sarg just venting my frustrations!

Thanks Sarg!

[RCSignals]

Schuvwj.

It's smoke and mirrors from GM. The key to it is "GM approved Mods"

[mungce]

...just order then from the dealer as a wheel center, DON'T
WORRY, BE HAPPY !!!!!

mungce
Ft.Worth, Tx

[amerikan]

yeah guys.. i got my car back from the shop.. im going to keep it.. i could have turned it back to FMC but decided not to because i would take a 6k mileage hit.. i really enjoy this car.. i hope its going to be reliable from this point on.. thanks guys for your opinions

[amerikan]

the new STi or a 2004 cobra? what do u guys think..?

[RCSignals]

??? I thought you were keeping the Marauder

[mungce]

I am for sure gonna keep my MM....I love it ! What other 4500lb rear wheel drive car with the latetst in safty, engine technoligy............
................I knew when I got it that some after market parts were going to be needed, but after all, what cars don't ?

jim Williams
Ft.Worth,TX

[amerikan]

yeah i am keeping the marauder.. i was just wondering what you thought about those.. because i'm most likely getting one of those in a year... unless the marauder holds up with my driving

[mungce]

Guess that's why you have the CHOICE......drive what you like/can afford....and don't put the other guy's ride down, after all, we have all been without ANY wheels at all !!

Jim W Williams
Ft.Worth, Tx