No more "On The Rack?"

[FordNut]

Now let's have a big group hug and carry on.

Shall we gather 'round the campfire and sing a verse of kumbaya now?

[1stMerc]

We shall. I got the marshmellows and grog.:beer::beer::beer::beer:

[jefferson-mo]

Are all of us on Bi-Polar meds?





I know you are but what am I :neener:

[CRUZTAKER]

I had hoped more vendors would had given their point of view as well by now. But realistically...how many professional business owners actually read a forums 'community' discussions. The thread has already started to gently divert to the much anticipated 'na-na fun wtf were we talking about buttermilk eww' land.
It has worked for us in the past, it is a sign of healing. :P



I think that there is a simple solution to this problem and it should go private with the administrators of the forum....Daniel hall
That was the original plan. Apparently friendships can be strong and people try to make things better for the person that chose not to. The thread starter brought us to the point we are now. I am not saying that is right or wrong, but results are I am sure what was expected.:dunno:


.....Should members like myself take up donations for TAF and give them to admin to enable him to contiue ON THE RACK... SIGN ME UP FOR $50 and I raise you $25=$75

You are actually like the 5th person to suggest this.

:thinker:

This is the part of the 'na-na fun wtf were we talking about buttermilk eww' thread that I usually agravate the mods with some type of stupid comment....I get to be ME!

I will contribute too! $40.
Of course this means I will have to re-up my offer after a year when his subscription runs out....and ...well...that ain't gonna happen.:P
It would take some serious balls for Todd to say " Oh yeah ok...by gones..."
He has alread left the house. He's gone.
BTW: I seeee you dude...;)

It would take some serious balls to recant.
And the "I don't have time to moderate a forum or I don't want to loose my 'freelance' status" aren't gonna cut with this group of supporters.:nono:
I say we make MO your forum mod. He has a ton of free time, he is a mature, and a level headed intelligent professional.:eek:

Oh crap...I just put us back on topic.
Sorry :hide:

And John...I promise to dig out all my old 5.25 disks, copy them, and continue to share them with the masses!:D

[jefferson-mo]

He has alread left the house. He's gone.







:alone:






.....

[MarauderMarc]

Well once again I was dissapointed with this site and once again I wasnt surprised. Todd has always been a POSITIVE member on this site giving pictures and threads to others who SHARE THE SAME HOBBY HE HAS.....CARS!!!!!!!!! It just so happens he works in a shop. Ive seen school buses, classic chevys, Fords, ect., ect,ect. Did you ever hear how he fixed a Kias exhaust leak??? NO! This is so pathetic I feel like Im in a dream or something. This site has always been like a High School....drama, popular/unpopular cliques, moderators who obviously have too much time on their hands and feel the need to delete posts, cry babies, blah blah blah. This was the first forum i ever joined and I used to think it was second to none. Since I now own a Mustang, I have been on a Mustang board and WOW...its tha *****!!!!! People respect one another,but we can post without worrying that some mods are trying to shelter us. Everything here depends on how the "secret society" sees it. TAF, you ROCK and I praise you for not backing down to the "Big 9". Thank you for all the years of good threads. You have a great talent and work wonders with your hands/tools. :bandit:

[martyo]

I still can't believe that no one got my reference to And Justice for All.

You guys are all mental midgets. :D

[prchrman]

I still can't believe that no one got my reference to And Justice for All.

You guys are all mental midgets. :D

NO WE ARE NOT...OBTW what is a midget?...do I need one for my MM...does it help mpg...

[SergntMac]

I think that there is a simple solution to this problem and it should go private with the administrators of the forum.It was private. Private until this thread was posted by a close friend of Todd's.

Meanwhile, you can't have a private negotation with someone who won't communicate with you. Todd was reminded that his annual dues was about to expire, and he needed to update that or his Gallery and PM storage would be cut back to that of member-at-large, and require a lot of house cleaning before he could add any new pics, or, use the PM system. He did nothing about that, and the enevitable became the end.

However, it's fixed...Now, and apparently without any thanks to the member fixing it.
Apparently someone paid for Todd's vendor fee for a month. I will pay to the net $50 for another vendor's fee. I would hope others would also contribute in this way. I really enjoyed "On the Rack" and hope it will continue. MY $0.02. See y'all at the Shootout.This is not correct, Glenn. Another member paid his overdue supporting member bill, and Todd's good for one full year. The offending pics are still in violation, but the "On The Rack" threads may (and should) continue. This is Todd's choice, but his ability to post new pics and use the PM system has been restored.

Great idea, everyone pitch in and pay the supporting vendor fee of 324.00 for one year, and the rest of the supporting vendors have nothing to b!tch about. We have heard from every one of them, and on this topic specifically. Someone step up and convert the promises into cash, and all concerns are healed.

We have come together before, to help members out of a tight spot. 257 posts now, and it seems to me that if everyone posting in this thread threw two bucks in a hat for every thought posted here, there would be nothing to talk about.

Seems like everyone loves Todd and his pics, and they all love to rant against the new machine. But, in the end, Todd isn't worth a dime, or, the time to get that fixed? WTF?

BTW, here's a quick list of the vendors with concern for the topic. Y'all remember these guys, right? They are the good folks who come here and pay up a vendor fee of at least 324.00 per year, just so y'all can insist on discounts on Marauder merchandise, and freebies at events and meet, and demand a King's treatment from them as a customer. Oh, and don't forget how much fun it is to kick them around? Dayum, that entertainment is priceless...


Reinhart Automotive (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=21)


Trilogy Motorsports (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28)


Innovative Interceptors (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30)


Kook's Custom Headers (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35)


TCE Performance (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37)


SS Inserts (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39)


Alternative Automotive (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=40)


Dynopro Auto (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=51)


JLT Performance (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56)


Forced Induction Technologies (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=59)


Colex Inc. (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64)


Amazon Tuning Solutions (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=69)


Zack and Mac

[MarauderMark]

260 posts and 18 pages of to this thread.:shake:Someone change the color of the button?:D How much more of this do we have to endure.:mad2: /:lovies:

[Macon Marauder]

It was private. Private until this thread was posted by a close friend of Todd's.

Meanwhile, you can't have a private negotation with someone who won't communicate with you. Todd was reminded that his annual dues was about to expire, and he needed to update that or his Gallery and PM storage would be cut back to that of member-at-large, and require a lot of house cleaning before he could add any new pics, or, use the PM system. He did nothing about that, and the enevitable became the end.

However, it's fixed...Now, and apparently without any thanks to the member fixing it.This is not correct, Glenn. Another member paid his overdue supporting member bill, and Todd's good for one full year. The offending pics are still in violation, but the "On The Rack" threads may (and should) continue. This is Todd's choice, but his ability to post new pics and use the PM system has been restored.

Great idea, everyone pitch in and pay the supporting vendor fee of 324.00 for one year, and the rest of the supporting vendors have nothing to b!tch about. We have heard from every one of them, and on this topic specifically. Someone step up and convert the promises into cash, and all concerns are healed.

We have come together before, to help members out of a tight spot. 257 posts now, and it seems to me that if everyone posting in this thread threw two bucks in a hat for every thought posted here, there would be nothing to talk about.

Seems like everyone loves Todd and his pics, and they all love to rant against the new machine. But, in the end, Todd isn't worth a dime, or, the time to get that fixed? WTF?

BTW, here's a quick list of the vendors offended. Y'all remember these guys, right? They are the good folks who come here and pay up a vendor fee of at least 324.00 per year, just so y'all can insist on discounts on Marauder merchandise, and freebies at events and meet, and demand a King's treatment from them as a customer. Oh, and don't forget how much fun it is to kick them around? Dayum, that entertainment is priceless...


Reinhart Automotive (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=21)


Trilogy Motorsports (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28)


Innovative Interceptors (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30)


Kook's Custom Headers (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35)


TCE Performance (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37)


SS Inserts (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39)


Alternative Automotive (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=40)


Dynopro Auto (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=51)


JLT Performance (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56)


Forced Induction Technologies (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=59)


Colex Inc. (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64)


Amazon Tuning Solutions (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=69)


Zack and Mac

Sorry. Gotta call BS on this, Mac. Todd did communicate with Mary: he posted the emails earlier. And this ain't fixed. After all this drama, all the posts, page after page, you still don't get it?!

I find that very hard to believe...

[SergntMac]

Sorry. Gotta call BS on this, Mac. Todd did communicate with Mary: he posted the emails earlier. And this ain't fixed. After all this drama, all the posts, page after page, you still don't get it?!

I find that very hard to believe...It's not BS, Macon. Early on, Todd had conversations with Mary and some e-mail was exchanged, but then he turned away before we could agree on a repair. Meanwhile, the clock on his membership ticked on, no more snooze button.

Oh, I do get it my friend, I get it all very well. The problem is that someday you may click on MM.Net, and it won't be here çause we ran out of money. The vendors who support us will have drifted away for lack of fair treatment, and enough good members have likewise drifted, çause there are better deals elsewhere. We know the MM.Net will die some day, but why hasten it's demise?

Do you get that?

[SergntMac]

260 posts and 18 pages of to this thread.:shake:Someone change the color of the button?:D How much more of this do we have to endure.:mad2: /:lovies:
Sorry, we're not going to close this thread, but you don't have to read it. Stop adding posts, it will slide from the main pages.

[magindat]

... Y'all remember these guys, right? They are the good folks who come here and pay up a vendor fee of at least 324.00 per year, just so y'all can insist on discounts on Marauder merchandise, and freebies at events and meet, and demand a King's treatment from them as a customer. Oh, and don't forget how much fun it is to kick them around? Dayum, that entertainment is priceless...


Mac,
You know I respect you and your new position, but this is the very attitude that gets me riled up with you. I am grateful for these vendors. I have NEVER insisted on ANYTHING from them. I make my order, pay my bill and am GRATEFUL for the services they provide. I have become friends with every site vendor I've dealt with. I have shown them loyalty and have spoken well about them. I encounter like minded folks at EVERY event I attend. Furthermore, I so appreciate THEIR contributions to events that I have PERSONALLY made contributions to events as well!

"Kick them around"?! My big white butt! The level of sarcasm you display with this paragraph is infuriating to me. "y'all"?! Meaning 'You ALL'?! I think not. You may speak of a vocal FEW who have done such deeds as you mention, but in general that paragraph serves only to stir the pot. That paragraph is so 'IVORY TOWER' it makes me wanna hurl. Sure, there's been battles, but your attempt to make EVERYONE feel small is blatantly IMMATURE!

And for the record, this is NOT about the new ADMINISTATION at all. It's about MAC. Keep treating people like that and 'the 9' will end up with a whole web site just to talk to EACH OTHER!

Last but not least, had a MEMBER posted such a biting and sarcastic post, I believe it would have been DELETED.

[magindat]

...The problem is that someday you may click on MM.Net, and it won't be here çause we ran out of money. The vendors who support us will have drifted away for lack of fair treatment, and enough good members have likewise drifted, çause there are better deals elsewhere.

Um, like why wasn't it put this way in the first place?

It's not like we don't understand that's the case, but it's nice to hear.

1) In general, people like to help. 2) This site has become a COMMUNITY. 3) If people have some incling on what's going on, they do what they can to help.

This site has always been a mystery about what it takes to make it run. Perhaps if we, the membership were a little more informed, we could do what we can to help. Whether that may be recruiting vendors, supporting vendors, or contributing ourselves. The majority, I believe, does not wan to lose this resource AND wants to see the site and it's associated events continue.

Be REAL with us. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar!

[duhtroll]

Mac you have offered a whole lot to this site, and I thank you for it. You've also done quite a bit for me personally, and you have my gratitude there as well.

I try very hard to stay neutral in these squabbles because I know I don't have the whole story.

However, I am obliged to point out --

There is no more money problem for this site. We have another buyer who will run it out of his own pocket. That was a serious offer.

If we click on MM.net someday and it's not here, it will not be due to lack of funds.

Cash is no longer the issue. So what is this issue about?


It's not BS, Macon. Early on, Todd had conversations with Mary and some e-mail was exchanged, but then he turned away before we could agree on a repair. Meanwhile, the clock on his membership ticked on, no more snooze button.

Oh, I do get it my friend, I get it all very well. The problem is that someday you may click on MM.Net, and it won't be here çause we ran out of money. The vendors who support us will have drifted away for lack of fair treatment, and enough good members have likewise drifted, çause there are better deals elsewhere. We know the MM.Net will die some day, but why hasten it's demise?

Do you get that?

[Macon Marauder]

It's not BS, Macon. Early on, Todd had conversations with Mary and some e-mail was exchanged, but then he turned away before we could agree on a repair. Meanwhile, the clock on his membership ticked on, no more snooze button.

Oh, I do get it my friend, I get it all very well. The problem is that someday you may click on MM.Net, and it won't be here çause we ran out of money. The vendors who support us will have drifted away for lack of fair treatment, and enough good members have likewise drifted, çause there are better deals elsewhere. We know the MM.Net will die some day, but why hasten it's demise?

Do you get that?

I get it, Mac. And I'm sure you do as well. That's why it's hard for me to understand the attitude you've displayed throughout this thread. IMHO that's exactly what will will hasten it's demise. Anyway you look at it: we're screwed...

[SergntMac]

"If the shoe fits?"

Don't really care if you like me or not. SergntMac isn't going to change his stripes. You want to turn this away from the topic, go ahead. But, hiding the truth isn't going to happen on my watch. There are many many voices and opinons in this thread, and lot that was just in bad taste, but it's not getting closed or deleted.

Can't make you like me, Rich, not everyone does. Some do, and I would surely loose their respect if I started the sweet talking and schmoozin crap. The old cliche is "ïf it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's duck". If you want to hear the message delivered in another tone, ask someone else.

[TooManyFords]

The problem is that someday you may click on MM.Net, and it won't be here çause we ran out of money. The vendors who support us will have drifted away for lack of fair treatment, and enough good members have likewise drifted, çause there are better deals elsewhere. We know the MM.Net will die some day, but why hasten it's demise?

Do you get that?

Don't get me wrong, Mac, because I do still respect you. But, when the core group is -only- doing this for the money, then it is just that, for the money. To own something like this takes more than money, more than just a handful of vendors, it take MEMBERS. Members who, for the most part, want to participate. A few will donate, that is true, but you cannot expect to be compensated for this.

A forum like mm.net should be grounded in the heart and soul of the owner. No strings attached. (I like that saying) It should be a labor of love, not vendor fees.

My .02c and believe me, I've been down this road for a LOT longer than any one of the NINE. Call it experience.

John

[94_302]

Todd was reminded that his annual dues was about to expire, and he needed to update that or his Gallery and PM storage would be cut back to that of member-at-large, and require a lot of house cleaning before he could add any new pics, or, use the PM system. He did nothing about that, and the enevitable became the end.

Great idea, everyone pitch in and pay the supporting vendor fee of 324.00 for one year, and the rest of the supporting vendors have nothing to b!tch about. We have heard from every one of them, and on this topic specifically. Someone step up and convert the promises into cash, and all concerns are healed.

We have come together before, to help members out of a tight spot. 257 posts now, and it seems to me that if everyone posting in this thread threw two bucks in a hat for every thought posted here, there would be nothing to talk about.

Seems like everyone loves Todd and his pics, and they all love to rant against the new machine. But, in the end, Todd isn't worth a dime, or, the time to get that fixed? WTF?

No offense but whats the deal? You say he was reminded that his annual dues were about to expire. However Todd says had never paid to begin with, I believe it was even mentioned earlier that there was no record of him paying. Does that mean that there was payment, or am I understanding this incorrectly?

I like Todd's on the rack posts and feel he was not trying to advertise. If you look at pics very very few actually mentioned his shop. The focus was obviously on the vehicles. But that is not the point is it, people will interpret it however they want. However with all this talk about what is right and fair, what would make it fair for those who support Todd to pay a vendor fee for him? I don't believe it's that people love to complain but don't want to step up and help pay. I think it's that people realize Todd is not trying to be a vendor here. To be honest what good would it do if everyone chipped in to pay a vendor fee for him? How would the other vendors of this site feel? If a handful out of many great pics show the name of his shop. Why not have the admins just edit those pics out? This seems to me what should have been the logical decision from the very begining. Rather than asking him to pay for something that is nothing more than one enthusiast sharing with others.

I appreciate the 9 who stepped up to help keep the site up, I really do. However I think this could have been dealt with in a much simpler way.

[SergntMac]

I'll make sure the expenses can be discused openly before I do. I can say that there is not expectation of "personal profit" by the owners. We need to collect just enough money for a six month future budget on hand, and enough to cover emergency expenses. And funds that come in after that, are earmarked to be returned to the membership in some way.

I'll also make our present team of owners is aware that there is an offer to buy the site from us. Thank you for your thoughts, gents.

[magindat]

"If the shoe fits?"

Can't make you like me, Rich, not everyone does. Some do, and I would surely loose their respect if I started the sweet talking and schmoozin crap. The old cliche is "ïf it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's duck". If you want to hear the message delivered in another tone, ask someone else.

It's not about LIKE, and it never was or ever will be. Nor is it about schmoozing or sweet talk. It's about lumping the good in with the bad. It's about basically telling the entire membership that we 'beat up' on vendors and are complete ingrates, when I beleive with my own experience that most do not 'fit the shoe', nor do we 'quack'.

Oh, I get your point and actually agree that SOME abuse the vendors in the way you stated. However, 'ya'll' was completely OFF TARGET and :bs:!

[SergntMac]

I get it, Mac. And I'm sure you do as well. That's why it's hard for me to understand the attitude you've displayed throughout this thread. IMHO that's exactly what will will hasten it's demise. Anyway you look at it: we're screwed...Yep...Guess we are. Seems even a simple fix can't work when someone would rather argue than agree. Nature of the beast?

[Zack]

A fire cant burn without fuel.
Stop fueling it.

[prchrman]

HORSE = DEAD, let's move on, OK! nothing is changing, even with 275 posts, all the verbage has not really changed the main characters in this little upheaveal...IMNSHO...

[Hotrauder]

HORSE = DEAD, let's move on, OK! nothing is changing, even with 275 posts, all the verbage has not really changed the main characters in this little upheaveal...IMNSHO...

Willie, you unfortunately are right on the money. The longer this goes on the more clear it becomes THAT a very early post also was right on the money. "Old Scores." I was not here and am not aware of these scores and still am not but there is no other plausible explaination I can see for this whole sorry affair. Mac, I love AND I AM GRATEFUL to you but.... it is a "DUCK." Dennis

[TAF]

I wanted to post up and send out my most sincere apologies to the community here. A community that I’d like to think that I’ve been instrumental over the last 4 ½ years contributing to in a positive manner.

However, there is absolutely NO apology to the new “ADMIN” owners of this site coming from me. You guys don’t deserve anything from me. I do have one request, though. Please forward immediately to my email @ toddalanfisher@hotmail.com the name, address, phone # and the amount of the individual that you have posted up who has paid to you my “Annual Membership” to this “Free to register” car enthusiast site. They will have a reimbursement check for the full amount mailed to them today, along with a sincere ‘Thank You” for the nice gesture.

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Ya know…as most of you know…I’ve been here a long time. I’ve seen several of these “Dear John” type post from folks that said they were leaving the site. And…I laughed along with some of you at such public displays of stupidity. Well…I hope you don’t take this as one of those, and I hope you’re not laughing. If you are, then you just don’t understand the dynamics of what has transpired over the last week or so.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/ /><o:p></o:p>
<FONT face=Verdana>However, there is absolutely NO apology to the new “ADMIN” owners of this site coming from me. You guys don’t deserve anything from me. I do have one request, though. Please forward immediately to my email @ <A href=" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p> </o:p>
I do, however, want to take this opportunity (and probably open up the opportunity for this thread to get “poofed” by one or all of the “9”) to once again succinctly state the FACTS of what has transpired.<o:p></o:p>
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1) Out of the blue a few days ago, I sent a PM to Mary stating that I realized that I’m not a vendor…but, I’d be glad to offer up something for the Marauderville IV Raffle. I copied and posted this PM, unedited, word-for-word. See…I haven’t spoken via telephone, email or PM to Mary in years, with 1 exception. About a month or so ago, I was making a joke in a thread and had swiped a picture of Barney Fife to insert in a thread. Apparently…that site has some kind of software that after some amount of time…the picture turns into a vulgar picture with a caption of “this ********* steals pics”. Mary appropriately deleted my post and was nice enough to send me an email at the above address explaining why my post had been deleted. She also very nicely asked me about Mia (several of you will know the story there). I thanked her for the email and gave her a brief update on Mia. That’s it….there has been no other communication with Mary for years. <o:p></o:p>
2) Mary sent me a PM back. I copied and posted that PM, unedited, word-for-word. Where I was thanked for my donation….and was then followed up by the first “pitch” to become a Vendor/Sponsor of the site.<o:p></o:p>
3) I sent (what I thought) was a rather nice thanks but no thanks PM back to Mary. I copied and posted this PM, unedited, word-for-word. You tell me if you think I was out of line in my response. I also gave more details about the prizes I had offered up for the Raffle.<o:p></o:p>
4) The next communication from Mary came in the form of the last PM. I copied and posted this PM, unedited, word-for-word. And THAT set me off to where we got to. I shared my displeasure with the situation with a few folks at Saturday’s Southern Marauder Breakfast Club.<o:p></o:p>
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THAT’S IT, FOLKS! There have been NO OTHER COMMUNICATIONS TO AND FROM “ADMIN” SINCE THEN. So, all this talk about how I’d been “warned” that other vendors had a problem with my posting/pics, etc. had NEVER been communicated to me. <o:p></o:p>
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5) Donny took it upon himself to start a thread. I was not going to post anything in that thread until Mac decided to post his ill-informed, inflammatory post towards me and the situation. He was dead wrong in his post and those of you that know me, know that I’m pretty easy to get along with…but I have a real low tolerance for lying. And I can’t think of anyone here that I have less respect for than that complete raving idiot “Mac” McCarthy. So I responded in kind.<o:p></o:p>
The lies now continue…and as I mention…I have a low tolerance for lying. As you can see in the actual PMs I posted…they come at me stating +paraphrasing, you can read for yourself the actual words used+ “our records indicate that you have never made a 4 contribution to the site”. Uh….yeah….so? I thought that $ contributions were not mandatory here. Also, as to the “Flags” & “Stars”…I’ve got to honestly say to you that I never paid any attention to them. I can also tell you that I’ve never been a “Moderator” here…never had any ‘extra buttons”. And I can only assume that whatever “status” of “Stars” & “Flags” was placed there by the only one who had the ability here…I would assume
Logan. So all this crap about “Todd’s annual membership had expired”…..I say….WHAT ANNUAL MEMEBERSHIP???!!!! I NEVER HAD ONE!!!! So that, along with a bunch of other stuff is just plain *********. All I ask is those of you that aren’t Mac “Nut-Swingers” just consider the source.
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I’ve posted what I wanted to say in that thread…and that’s it. Some of you will get it…some of you never will. It’s about $ folks. It’s about a small group that wanted to buy the site when it was made known that it was available. And, what I suspect is 2 things…collectively they didn’t really have the funds…so they hit up Dennis for a large portion….brought in who they wanted…and they’re looking at the “books” to see how quickly they can get a return on their “investment”. “Cause they didn’t really have the funds in the first place. I’ll bet you that I’m either 100% right or not too far from the truth. This was no “love for the community/site”…it was a way for some select folks (most of whom that I never liked here) to take control of the site.
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To the vendors that were supposedly so offended. I have no apologies for you either. Ya know why? ‘Cause I bet I could exceed high into the six-figure range the dollars of products that you sold that I created for you by referring over a couple hundred plus Marauders not only to your doorstep….but also facilitated professionals to install them. So…those of you that want to come at me…no apologies. But I will say…YOUR WELCOME!
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Once again…to the community here…my deepest apologies you had to witness this carnage. And my only warning to you all…would be that this sort of thing could happen to any of you.
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[Macon Marauder]

Todd,

I don't think you owe us an apology. But it shows what a class act you are for doing that. Looking forward to seeing more "On the Rack" pics elsewhere.

~ Rob

[CRUZTAKER]

Todd has made his peace in another thread.
I am sad to see him go in this fashion.

The original intention in this one has dissolved.

I too think it's time to be closed.:(

[SergntMac]

No membership you say? Maybe that's why we couldn't find the donation in the records. But, where did your contributing member flags and storage limits come from? Yeah, maybe Logan did you a favor or two, but he didn't share that with us.

You may stay, you may leave, your choice. Follow your heart and do what works for you.

This thread will stay open, unless I am out voted on it by the remaining board, or it turns sour.

Take care, Todd.

[2003 MIB]

Ya know…as most of you know…I’ve been here a long time. I’ve seen several of these “Dear John” type post from folks that said they were leaving the site. And…I laughed along with some of you at such public displays of stupidity. Well…I hope you don’t take this as one of those, and I hope you’re not laughing.
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I'm not laughing. I'm bummed, genuinely bummed.

[DEFYANT]

I'm not laughing. I'm bummed, genuinely bummed.

+1

Someone posted an accurate comment in another thread on these lines...

You may not like who runs the company, but that does not mean you should quit.

Reconsider.

As hard as it is, I am giving it a chance.

[magindat]

I'm with D. Please Todd, give it a shot.

If you've got the quihonnes to put up the apology, use 'em to stick around. Do it for 'us' if not for 'them'.

[Hotrauder]

Todd, I hope that you will reconsider. I think we have over 1,000 active members. A food fight with some of 9 of those members, however heart felt on both sides, should not have to effect your positive relationship with the other 991. MM.Net it seems to me with all due respect isn't about the ADMIN but about the members and our cars. The glue to this site is not the vendors as much as we love them, it is the customers, us; that keep them here. This is not your first bus crash and probably not the last. I understand how you feel but please continue here as a "MEMBER." No apologies needed nor expected. I will respect your decision but be unable to hide my disappointment should you leave as leaving is not IMHO the correct answer to this situation. Dennis

[junior]

I am a noob here and have noticed many things SergntMac, One of them being that I don’t particularly enjoy being talked to like a two year-old, AND there are many diverse personalities here which is a good thing. Taf’s generosity to donate a pair of mufflers to Marauderville IV (even though he’s not a “vendor”) was the only reason I ponied up $10 to that endeavor. I know it doesn’t help MM.net, but it does draw camaraderie and people to this website. I am truly saddened that what appears to be “old scores” have caused such a rift between members of an otherwise great website. Try and look thru the trees at the forest, and hope that the diversity you see now will exist in the future. I always try and get the facts before jumping to conclusions and hope that the new owners of this site will too.
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[GAMike]

Hi Todd:
I hope you stay. Politics aside, this site would be ***** without people from all walks of life chiming in on all of these forums. Pulling out a cornerstone weakens the whole structure for everyone above. At least keep coming to the monthly breakfast. You and your cast of characters are part of what make me get up @ 6am on a Saturday morning, wash my car, and drive 40 miles or so to Cracker Barrel. Its a trip!

Vendors
The sense of camraderie that creates "word of mouth" here is what makes a profit for the supporting vendors here, not advertising. The reliability and integrity of the vendor is what keeps customers coming back. After all, how are you supposed to know by looking at a car who did the exhaust work? Who tuned it? Who did installed the 4.10's. Its the reputation.......Not some silly sign.

Admin
You guys handled this situation in a pi$$ poor way. Maybe the dirty laundry was "outed" to quickley, I don't know or care. Before this, I never really had the sense that their was all this crap going on in the background. Find a way to rectify the situation with Todd. Call it a draw, whatever I don't care. We all don't have to be drinking buddies, but there is common ground here and it should count for something. Set the ego & vendor pressure aside. Other than this I wish you luck in making this website more addictive than it already is:D .

Best regards,

[MM03MOK]

Posts moved from other thread. Keep it all together, please.

[gpfarrell]

Keep it all together, please.

Our wishes for "The Nine" as well.


Here's something from my 30 year old Doubleday Dictionary:

mod-er-ate - verb - 1) To reduce the violence, severity, etc of; make less extreme, restrain 2) To preside over 3) To make less intense.

To the majority of The Nine: I think we collectively appreciate you stepping in with your own dollars & hours to keep this neighborhood from caving in on itself. The volume of posts on this tread here have a bit to do with Todd, but much more to do with how his attempt at donating led him to being treated so poorly by the ones we count on to "make less intense".

Best of luck at filling the big shoes you've selected. I really want to see you succeed, but simply deleting the photos that bothered the vendors was, in hindsight, the way to make this less intense.

May we never repeat this lesson.

[linn@amazon]

but
rules are rules..when you make exceptions for one you offend the others who follow them...this can be justified any way you wish but it doesnt change the facts..








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[Macon Marauder]

Todd (TAF) has not been, never was, and never will be a vendor here. No exception was made. No exception was asked for by Todd. No exception was expected or needed. It's simple: he was not a vendor!

[SergntMac]

No offense but whats the deal? You say he was reminded that his annual dues were about to expire. However Todd says had never paid to begin with, I believe it was even mentioned earlier that there was no record of him paying. Does that mean that there was payment, or am I understanding this incorrectly?I'll give this one more try.

Logan kept books, but only the books Logan needed to keep. When we took over, we reviewed all assets and liabilities, and moved forward.

Meanwhile, we began overhauling benefits and features Logan had established a while back, and one of them is that a "supporting member" is awarded additional PM and storage space.

When looking at the storage for TAF, it's 1700 PM's and 472 high quality photos, and he was adding "more to that every week with his "On The Rack" Moreover, he was identified in the software as a "contributing member", which means that somewhere in time, he gave Logan a donation.

Now it looks the other way, like Logan gave him a donation of extra storage space. Nonetheless, the clock was ticking, and TAF needed to update his status, or it would expire. After it expired, he would revert to member-a-large, and his storage space would be cut in half. He would not have access to any PMs or his gallery without cleaning out files of his choosing to be back under the limit.

Meanwhile #2...Two complaints from supporting members on TAF's behavior. bboth love the the OTR thread, but got tired of seeing the banners, when that advertising is advertising they pay for. On both topics, TAF was contacted, and given alternatives to choose from. He did nothing at all, include talk to any of us anymore. When another member covered his contribution, the storage problem went away and he is now a legit supporting member for the next year. However, it's now 10 complaints from vendors, not just two anymore.

I can't take any credit for that, it's not because of how I addressed them. It's because of this thread.

Well, that's about all there is to it. It does look like a simple solution, and it always did look simple to me. Stop posting new pics with banner in them, or take advantage of a vendorship and bang your drum loudly. At the very least, do not jeopardize your gift from Logan, extended storage.

It's not really about anything now, here today. TAF is free to do what he wants, but if he posts another pic with 411 on Grand Muffler in view, the complaints of ten vendors will be acted on. Other than this, the problem is indeed cured, 100 percent.

[blacksnake]

I've seen it all now and made my decision...
I just became a Contributing Member.

Step up boys...or just keep whining.

[MarauderMarc]

I'll give this one more try...(hic)

Logan kept books, but only the books Logan needed to keep.(hic) When we took over, we reviewed all assets and liabilities, and moved forward.(hic)

Meanwhile, we began overhauling benefits and features Logan had established a while back, and one of them is that a "supporting member" is awarded additional PM and storage space.(hic)

When looking at the storage for TAF, it's 1700 PM's and 472 high quality photos, and he was adding "more to that every week with his "On The Rack" Moreover,(hic) he was identified in the software as a "contributing member", which means that somewhere in time, he gave Logan a donation.(hic)

Now it looks the other way, like Logan gave him a donation of extra storage space.(hic) Nonetheless, the clock was ticking, and TAF needed to update his status, or it would expire. After it expired, he would revert to member-a-large, and his storage space would be cut in half.(hic) He would not have access to any PMs or his gallery without cleaning out files of his choosing to be back under the limit.(hic)

Meanwhile #2...Two complaints from supporting members on TAF's behavior. bboth love the the OTR thread, but got tired of seeing the banners, when that advertising is advertising they pay for.(hic) On both topics, TAF was contacted, and given alternatives to choose from. (hic)He did nothing at all, include talk to any of us anymore. When another member covered his contribution, the storage problem went away and he is now a legit supporting member for the next year. However, it's now 10 complaints from vendors, not just two anymore.

I can't take any credit for that, it's not because of how I addressed them. It's because of this thread.(hic)

Well, that's about all there is to it. It does look like a simple solution, and it always did look simple to me. (hic)Stop posting new pics with banner in them, or take advantage of a vendorship and bang your drum loudly. At the very least, do not jeopardize your gift from Logan, extended storage.(hic)

It's not really about anything now, here today(hic). TAF is free to do what he wants, but if he posts another pic with 411 on Grand Muffler in view, the complaints of ten vendors will be acted on. Other than this, the problem is indeed cured, 100 percent. Now wheres my other bottle..eh? (hic)


Everything alright?????

[TAF]

Meanwhile #2...Two complaints from supporting members on TAF's behavior. bboth love the the OTR thread, but got tired of seeing the banners, when that advertising is advertising they pay for. On both topics, TAF was contacted, and given alternatives to choose from. He did nothing at all, include talk to any of us anymore.

Please feel free to post up this contact, with verifiable time/date stamp on them. There was NO CONTACT of me other than what was posted...by ME. You continue to lie to the folks here....I've posted EVERY WORD of what was sent to me.

[bigslim]

It was private. Private until this thread was posted by a close friend of Todd's.

Meanwhile, you can't have a private negotation with someone who won't communicate with you. Todd was reminded that his annual dues was about to expire, and he needed to update that or his Gallery and PM storage would be cut back to that of member-at-large, and require a lot of house cleaning before he could add any new pics, or, use the PM system. He did nothing about that, and the enevitable became the end.

However, it's fixed...Now, and apparently without any thanks to the member fixing it.This is not correct, Glenn. Another member paid his overdue supporting member bill, and Todd's good for one full year. The offending pics are still in violation, but the "On The Rack" threads may (and should) continue. This is Todd's choice, but his ability to post new pics and use the PM system has been restored.

Great idea, everyone pitch in and pay the supporting vendor fee of 324.00 for one year, and the rest of the supporting vendors have nothing to b!tch about. We have heard from every one of them, and on this topic specifically. Someone step up and convert the promises into cash, and all concerns are healed.

We have come together before, to help members out of a tight spot. 257 posts now, and it seems to me that if everyone posting in this thread threw two bucks in a hat for every thought posted here, there would be nothing to talk about.

Seems like everyone loves Todd and his pics, and they all love to rant against the new machine. But, in the end, Todd isn't worth a dime, or, the time to get that fixed? WTF?

BTW, here's a quick list of the vendors offended. Y'all remember these guys, right? They are the good folks who come here and pay up a vendor fee of at least 324.00 per year, just so y'all can insist on discounts on Marauder merchandise, and freebies at events and meet, and demand a King's treatment from them as a customer. Oh, and don't forget how much fun it is to kick them around? Dayum, that entertainment is priceless...


Reinhart Automotive (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=21)


Trilogy Motorsports (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28)


Innovative Interceptors (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30)


Kook's Custom Headers (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35)


TCE Performance (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37)


SS Inserts (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39)


Alternative Automotive (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=40)


Dynopro Auto (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=51)


JLT Performance (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=56)


Forced Induction Technologies (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=59)


Colex Inc. (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64)


Amazon Tuning Solutions (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=69)


Zack and Mac

Mac, I just talked to Jerry and he is not offended by this. He said, "if Todd is advertising on the site then he should pay vendors fees". "If he is not advertising on the site and is not profiting from the site he should not pay vendors fees". He sees nothing wrong with the pictures as long he is not advertising for profit.

He also wanted me to tell everyone that "Todd is a very good friend and he supports him".

This all came form him at 1:25pm.

Mac, please do not misquote Jerry on future post and remove him from your list of offended vendors.

[SergntMac]

The communications I received used the word ""offended", but you make a valid point, so, let's call then concerned.

I suppose Jerry sees it the way a lot of others see it. If the pics contain banners and contact 411, they are advertising Grand Muffler.

Actually, it's all kind of in the past now. Warning issued, that's all that's needed until it happens again.

[SergntMac]

Please feel free to post up this contact, with verifiable time/date stamp on them. There was NO CONTACT of me other than what was posted...by ME. You continue to lie to the folks here....I've posted EVERY WORD of what was sent to me.Your account is updated, and you have been warned on the vendor violation. No need to prove anything.

[bigslim]

I'll give this one more try.

Logan kept books, but only the books Logan needed to keep. When we took over, we reviewed all assets and liabilities, and moved forward.

Meanwhile, we began overhauling benefits and features Logan had established a while back, and one of them is that a "supporting member" is awarded additional PM and storage space.

When looking at the storage for TAF, it's 1700 PM's and 472 high quality photos, and he was adding "more to that every week with his "On The Rack" Moreover, he was identified in the software as a "contributing member", which means that somewhere in time, he gave Logan a donation.

Now it looks the other way, like Logan gave him a donation of extra storage space. Nonetheless, the clock was ticking, and TAF needed to update his status, or it would expire. After it expired, he would revert to member-a-large, and his storage space would be cut in half. He would not have access to any PMs or his gallery without cleaning out files of his choosing to be back under the limit.

Meanwhile #2...Two complaints from supporting members on TAF's behavior. bboth love the the OTR thread, but got tired of seeing the banners, when that advertising is advertising they pay for. On both topics, TAF was contacted, and given alternatives to choose from. He did nothing at all, include talk to any of us anymore. When another member covered his contribution, the storage problem went away and he is now a legit supporting member for the next year. However, it's now 10 complaints from vendors, not just two anymore.

I can't take any credit for that, it's not because of how I addressed them. It's because of this thread.

Well, that's about all there is to it. It does look like a simple solution, and it always did look simple to me. Stop posting new pics with banner in them, or take advantage of a vendorship and bang your drum loudly. At the very least, do not jeopardize your gift from Logan, extended storage.

It's not really about anything now, here today. TAF is free to do what he wants, but if he posts another pic with 411 on Grand Muffler in view, the complaints of ten vendors will be acted on. Other than this, the problem is indeed cured, 100 percent.
Have you ever though that Logan gave Todd contributing member status because of the vendors he brought on board to the site. I mean he was the one instrumental in getting Metco and a few others. I would say Logan was returning the favor to a friend unlike you guys.

I was always told that in order to get a little you have to spend a little. Maybe Todd was going to help bring another vendor on board. I don't see that happening now.

[2003 MIB]

Your account is updated, and you have been warned on the vendor violation. No need to prove anything.

Okay Todd,
So, what are you going to do?
Seems like you stay on the site and let this settle into detaunte or have those of us who still want to talk with you fill up your hotmail account with requests for OTR pics.
Can it be over from where you're sitting?

[TAF]

Your account is updated, and you have been warned on the vendor violation. No need to prove anything.

Right now? This^^^is my warning of "vendor violation"?

Fine...I'll accept that. First time I've ever been warned..."no need for you to prove anything"....yeah I know...'cause you CAN'T! Once again your Napoleonic "swagger" rears it's head. All someone would have had to do is let me know they (the Sponsors) had a problem. But you (and Logan) never did.

Frankly, I would have argued... first off 'cause I never really thought of it that way. I never took pics to be sure my logo was in the background. I posted in this thread the other night on my challenge to Barry's post...pull up the "On the rack" threads...look at all the pics...I looked at 25 threads the other night. Found nearly 300 pics of cars...and only 4 pictures that just so happened to have the name of my shop in it....and one with my Truck which has my logo on it in the background. I guess it's not the "one pic in every thread" that I've been accused of. But I'd have been happy to comply. Instead...folks can read for themselves what was sent to me.

Y'all are pathetic! I can't believe this charade continues when folks have had everything laid out for them to read for themselves.

[GA-Marauder]

...I looked at 25 threads the other night. Found nearly 300 pics of cars...and only 4 pictures that just so happened to have the name of my shop in it....and one with my Truck which has my logo on it in the background. I guess it's not the "one pic in every thread" that I've been accused of. But I'd have been happy to comply. Instead...folks can read for themselves what was sent to me.

Y'all are pathetic! I can't believe this charade continues when folks have had everything laid out for them to read for themselves.

Absolutely...I've known Todd for a couple of years now, and one thing I can definitively say about him is that he is an honorable person. There is no doubt in my mind that if given the opportunity to simply comply with not showing pics with GM on them, then he would have gladly complied. And then, on this site, we could have continued to enjoy the immensely popular thread OTR. Todd, best to you whatever your final play in this is. Hope to see you before long in the ATL. I know I'll continue to enjoy your thread elsewhere, whatever happens.:beer:

[prchrman]

Blast it all TAF...I wanted to be post #300...JK...just for the sake of not argueing whether or not TAf was advertising or not I will not discuss or make a comment but one thing I do know...EVERONE this site knows the name of his shop now...kinda ironic don't you think...I guess I am stirring the pot...just couldn't help myself...willie

[Loco1234]

So...
When should we expect the next "ON THE RACK POST"?

Thats the real question now....

[GA-Marauder]

BTW, I was out of town this week until this morning. And...I have never seen a thread that generated 8,600 views and 300+ postings in this short a time. Take a look at the MV threads/hits. Unbelieveable...I guess people are really interested about this topic...:rolleyes:

[GA-Marauder]

So...
When should we expect the next "ON THE RACK POST"?

Thats the real question now....

They are out there now...on a different site. I'll let the members speak up about where.

[Loco1234]

If thats true that would be tradgic...

[the_pack_rat]

In the not so distant future, if I start a new thread called "On The Table" & have pics of my upcoming surgery taken ...

Will I need to blur out anything that clearly shows the Dr's or hopsitals name(s) on it ?.

Additionally, William Shatner aka ...

Capt Kirk
TJ Hooker
And my personal favorite character - Denny Crane, the mad cow disease suffering attorney of the law firm Crane Poole & Schmidt .....

Got $75,000 for a kideny stone he passed not that long ago.

How much you think I can I get for a fistula & a chunk of some intestine ?.

Lastly ...

Anybody got a good line on one of these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG_XguzP6Ao)?.

A lot more thought in something like that vs cards & balloons.

[spub]

Tutor Turtle - a little guy who always thought it would be great if he could be someone else - until he found out it really wasn't what he thought at all. "Drizzle Drazzle Drazzle Drone, time for this one to come home."
Of course Mr. Wizzard's accent was so heavy he could have been saying anything!


We were both wrong :o It's Tooter Turtle. Check this link (a great site) http://www.toonopedia.com/tooter-t.htm

Sorry all, but I'd rather do this than be a part of what is happening in this thread. :depress:

Kirt

Respect

[Bluerauder]

We were both wrong :o It's Tooter Turtle. Check this link (a great site)

Thanks for finding that link. Can't believe that segment ran only 2 years from 1960-1962. Must have been buried pretty deep in my subconscious .....

Either way, there seems to be alot of relevance to this thread .... ;)

".... Tooter would find out it it wasn't so much fun after all — in fact, it would usually turn out downright painful. When he'd had enough, he'd cry out for Mr. Wizard to rescue him; and with the words "Drizzle, Drazzle, Drozzle, Drome, Time for this one to come home", Wizard would immediately do so. He also, in his German accent, dispensed the advice, "Be what you is and not what you is not! Folks that is what they is, is the happiest lot!" Tooter always promised to show better judgment in the future, but he never did. "

Have we learned anything yet?? :dunno:

[Krytin]

I think you do have something there on the subconscious part - I hope you are right about learning something....

[crouse]

Joke of the day is the only one that I know of that has more.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2114&highlight=JOKE+DAY


BTW, I was out of town this week until this morning. And...I have never seen a thread that generated 8,600 views and 300+ postings in this short a time. Take a look at the MV threads/hits. Unbelieveable...I guess people are really interested about this topic...:rolleyes:

[ADMIN]

Thank you all for postng on this thread. Your opinions have been noted. We understand that many are upset over the change, but what we did was business, not personal, our vendors are as important to us as the members are. They vendors help keep the site up and running with their fees as well as the generous contributions from our members. We need both to keep the lights on here at MM.net. Unfortunately we have had to make a tough business decision to keep our rules in force. was it necessary? Yes,,was it popular?? no. Todd is welcome here as always, the door remains open for him.

This thread has served its purpose and it is time to move on.

Thank you