Please restore the civility to this site.

[hitchhiker]

Please restore the civility to this site.


This is MM Net not Pi$$ing Contest Net!


The bannings, deletions, editing, and petty actions by some new admins, which I shall not name, are ruining several years of community spirit. This feud has now spilled on to several other sites and is growing every day!


Please stop the juvenile BS and make the necessary phone calls and emails to each other to straighten this thing out.


This can be worked out if people will just resolve to put on their best instead of their worst.


To the one or more who succeed in resolving this mess: You will have my respect and grattitude.

Don't waste any more time or let this situation fester any longer.


Do it now!


Respectfully,


Dave

:shake:

[fastblackmerc]

Amen!!!!!!

[Rick-n-Miami]

Agreed. This community is better than this.

[MM03MOK]

Dave...where have you been? Have you kept up on recent developments?

No one has been banned. Nothing has been deleted other than routine housekeeping (duplicate posts, fix quotes, etc.)

MM.Net is not responsible for any content at any other website.

All is balanced on our books and we're looking forward to better days ahead.
Are you with us?? :beer:

[SergntMac]

"HAL...Open the door, HAL..."

[TooManyFords]

Mary, sorry I missed your call yesterday. I should be by my phone for the rest of the weekend.

Cheers

John

[Donny Carlson]

"HAL...Open the door, HAL..."

"Open the pod bay door, please, HAL."


That's actually pretty ironic when you consider that HAL had basically gone insane and was killing his crew "to save the mission."

[Merc-O-matic]

Like NINE new umpires at a Little League baseball game, each one
wanting to call the last "ball" a "strike" and you're out!

Gotta Love It!:bs:

[BruteForce]

"Open the pod bay door, please, HAL."


That's actually pretty ironic when you consider that HAL had basically gone insane and was killing his crew "to save the mission."

Meeeowch! 123

[hitchhiker]

Dave...where have you been? Have you kept up on recent developments?

No one has been banned. Nothing has been deleted other than routine housekeeping (duplicate posts, fix quotes, etc.)

MM.Net is not responsible for any content at any other website.

All is balanced on our books and we're looking forward to better days ahead.
Are you with us?? :beer:

I'm not gone yet and as you can plainly see, I haven't given up on MM Net.

I have however followed other MM Net members and their content, which I like, to other sites where I can see it and where they feel welcome.

I don't know why I have to be the one to trying to be the voice of reason here.

I am really a very minor player in MM Net. Just a member that's all.

I guess it is because I saw first hand what a great automotive community this site has been and would like very much for that to continue.

Together, through the contributions of many members, we have deconstructed this car down to the bolts and rebuilt it into the four door monster Mercury meant to build before the bean counters killed it!

I have followed the progress of this this episode on both MM Net and other sites and even gone back a couple of notches, asking questions in an attempt to try and get the whole picture too. There are some details which shock me, and trust me, that is NOT easy to do.

The simple fact is that posts are being deleted on a regular basis.

Half truths and non-truths abound and are a little difficult to sort out.

I can say this with centainty. We need to sort this out on our own turf!

We need to 'play in our own backyard' rather than having this thing play out on several other web sites. The problems are here not elsewhere.

I propose a one week moratorium on deletions of posts no matter how pointed the content may become and then perhaps a review at that time.

Let's get all the dirty laundry in a pile and then burn it and forget it!

Bring back banned members under the flag of a fresh start and clean slate.

There are too many negative things happening right now for many of us to enjoy our favorite car site.

Like I said previously. Make the calls, send the emails, appologize if appropriate, make amends, and get this ship on an even keel again.

This goes for everyone!

The players here know damn well who they are and what they need to do.

Just do it!

Thanks and Best Regards,

Dave
:beer:

[sailsmen]

If I could just stop listening to the voices in my head, er Marauder.

[hitchhiker]

If I could just stop listening to the voices in my head, er Marauder.

Hey bud, I still grin from ear to ear at the thought of driving mine!

:D

[DEFYANT]

I've been saying the same thing in a different way.

The response I get is: do not throw fuel on the fire. Let it go, it'll die down and everything will be OK again.

I HATE the: ignore the problem and it will go away approach :mad:

But thats what they want. - so be it.

[Breadfan]

I've been saying the same thing in a different way.

The response I get is: do not throw fuel on the fire. Let it go, it'll die down and everything will be OK again.

I HATE the: ignore the problem and it will go away approach :mad:

But thats what they want. - so be it.

Ignoring it may not be the right approach at this point, but the one approach that never fails in any community is leadership, and stepping up to the plate, some of these nasty threads that crop up go unanswered for nearly an entire day - at this stage of the game that's too long. The leaders need to step in and handle them and offer the reassurance and "warm and fuzzies" the community needs at this time.

Regardless of whether or not it is warranted the community seems to be calling out with concerns, and warrented or not they should not be ignored but handled in a solid strong manner (and with one voice regardless of the 9 minds) that reinforces the community bond and secure feeling of a strong tommorrow for mm.net.

Just my $0.02 for the day... :beer:

[AstroVic]

Nothing has been deleted other than routine housekeeping (duplicate posts, fix quotes, etc.)


Totally untrue. 100% false. Inaccurate statement.

I've personally seen posts (and had a few of my own posts) heavily edited and/or deleted in the past few weeks - and they were *NOT* because of duplicate posts, quotation mistakes, grammatical errors, etc.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this post gets deleted or edited.

I'm not trying to flame; I just want to make sure the record is "straight" and falsities are not perpetuated.

[SergntMac]

Totally untrue. 100% false. Inaccurate statement.

I've personally seen posts (and had a few of my own posts) heavily edited and/or deleted in the past few weeks - and they were *NOT* because of duplicate posts, quotation mistakes, grammatical errors, etc.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this post gets deleted or edited.

I'm not trying to flame; I just want to make sure the record is "straight" and falsities are not perpetuated.Okay...Let's stick to what is "straight"?

First, your post here will not get deleted, not by me anyway. It's taken as genuine concern from a member, and it has my respect. I cannot speak for others. When we speak as one voice, that voice is ADMIN. I can be voted down, the majority rules. But if any other of the nine try anything underhanded, I'm outta here too. I won't stand for any of that, and they know it.

Second, let's review some facts available to any member through your profile, I think they carry some weight. This is not secret stuff, it's public record.

Your join date is 5/29/05.
Your first post is dated 6/2/05.
From 7/24/05 through 9/18/06, you didn't post anything. Can't say if you were reading anything in that time, but how we all have changed in the past year does have an affect on perspectives today. You may have a older join date, but most of your interaction with us is just 41 days old. Moreover, the new "nine" owners have owned it for 21 days now. Perhaps you may not see the whole picture?

You have 153 total posts to your credit.
You have started 7 threads of your own.
(Remember that pics in the gallery count as a post, and posts deleted by anyone and for any reason, are not subtracted from this count).
Deletions by you: 4
Edits by you: 1
Edits to posts from others in one of your threads: 10
Deletions of posts from other members in any thread you also posted in: 3
(I'm not sure ADMIN is using this feature, but it's being considered, and it's not enables at this time. It will not be visible to the public.)
Official warning of an infraction by ADMIN: 0
Infractions and Infraction points assigned: 0

Can you recieve e-mail from ADMIN: no, but that's your choice.

All of this excludes your participation in the now famous "On The RacK" thread, a thread with 311 posts, and 10,450 reads. A true battlefield the likes of which we have never seen before here. One thread filled with emotions, facts, thoughts, suggestions, and insults we decided to allow to let run a while. Everyone got heard, and lot's of folks got hurt. Some folks have healed, have you?

You may find the support for your position in the "OTR" thread, but you and individual admins butted heads there, and there is no retribution for that. Fact...If you had not stepped out on the battfield there, you would not have been wounded. BTW, you yourself begged others to back off and leave it alone, yet we're still kicking it around here and now. Why?

"OTR" is closed now, and we are trying to make use of all the suggestions offered up as a result of this event. This is why I can't understand this thread here, or, your posts in this. We are already doing of lot of what was suggested, and much of it was work in progress that got interrupted by one out of hand thread. Hitchiker may mean well, but he's late on the topic, the work gang is on the road.

No one has been banned or disciplined for their conduct in "OTR", and no one will be disciplined in any way. No one has been forced to contribute any money to MM.Net, for any reason, but many have been generous to MM.Net since that thread. Thank you all. No one has been asked to leave, but we can't stop them from leaving, and I won't beg them to reconsider.

No revenge on tap, no secret lists of members to watch. A decision has been reached that defines "advertising" (thanks to a member in the trades) and it has little to do where money is actually spent. It's a fair decision that protects supporting vendors and all members, contributing or not. Thus, "advertising" has been defined, and future violations will be dealth with accordingly.

We have owned this site 21 days now, and we have a lot of plans we would like to see roll out. We think you will like them too, but we're not done refining them for presentation. Results take time, and once again, I've spent my morning preparing an honest response to a member's concern, rather than working on improvements.

On a final note, the facts look pretty "normal" when viewed from another perspective. Did you mistate anything? No. But, you have seasoned your comments to add some emotional twist that have no solid foundation. What good does this do any of us?

Blanket amnesty for all involved in the "OTR" thread, how about us nine too?

BTW, maybe you haven't noticed it, but as a member-at-large, you could not see administrative actions. Since your donation of 10/25/06 and upgrade to contributing member, you can see everything we do. We find that fair, it's the way we want it. But, make sure you understand what you see and what's going on before you declare it bad, or, wrong. I hope you do not take advantage of your new access.

All in all, it's not as bad as you paint it. And, your remarks are not exactly as "straight" as they could have been. No offense intended, none taken, you're welcome to respond.

Carry on Gents...

[sailsmen]

There must be a conspiracy, w/out one life is dull.

We must have a mission in life or we feel worthless. The search for the Holly Grail continues.

[hitchhiker]

...Ring Ring...Ring Ring...Ring Ring...

I know too!

:shake:

[SergntMac]

There must be a conspiracy, w/out one life is dull.

We must have a mission in life or we feel worthless. The search for the Holly Grail continues.Indeed, more money has traded hands than one would believe, in the search for who killed JFK. It's classic, and will never be agreed upon.

Any discussions held in private while being discussed, is a "conspiracy", but it's not a bad conspiracy when their intent is to settle issues and find a resolution that's fair for all. We nine have such a room for our private discussions, but what comes from those discussions is meant to be good, and fair to as meny members as possible. This is why it takes timeto reach some decisions.

Another point to remember, is that you cannot please everyone all the time, the only folks who get away with that are carpetbaggers. Liars thenselves, "nothing up my sleve" story tellers. But, a decision reached that is fair to as many folks as possible, is the good thing we chase for the members of MM.net.

Talk among yourselves, please keep you commentary here as honest as possible.

[Power Surge]

Sorry, I have to agree with AstroVic. Threads and posts were deleted in the recent TAF mess from the past few days. I saw them with my own eyes, then later they were gone. One of my own posts was deleted as well (for whatever reason, it had nothing troublesome in it).

Sounds like all the admins aren't on the same page.

[SergntMac]

Sorry, I have to agree with AstroVic. Threads and posts were deleted in the recent TAF mess from the past few days. I saw them with my own eyes, then later they were gone. One of my own posts was deleted as well (for whatever reason, it had nothing troublesome in it).

Sounds like all the admins aren't on the same page.Can't (and didn't) say they did not occur, I read it all again today. If you're a contributing member, you should see them too. If I can find your post in the notes and if it is as you say, I'll restore that. It's the best I can offer now.

We had some accidents by admins too, there are a lot of buttons available and we are learning how to handle them. I've explained that in another thread here, and I apologize for them. Collateral damage?

Again, if you had not stepped into the battlefield, you could not have been wounded, friendly fire or not. No excuses from me, just an explanation of how and why. This surely is not the "mass destruction" and slaughter it has been coined, and we want to move on, a little smarter about it all now.

[hitchhiker]

...Ring Ring...Ring Ring...Ring Ring...

:shake:

[Mike Poore]

Sounds like all the admins aren't on the same page.

You're wrong, sir.
We Benefactors are all on the same page.
And I agree with every word of Sgt Mac's post.
You'll notice that I refereed to the new owners of this site as Benefactors, and that's exactly what we are. We've put up a significant amount of our own cash, and handed this site to you on a silver platter, with no hope whatever of ever recovering a cent, and many of you have used this gift to savage, berate, and belittle us.
I think it's high time you stop looking a gift horse in the mouth, and start acting like the partners we all hoped you beneficiaries would be. Y'all remind me of the guy who finds a $50 bill on the street and is pissed because it's not $100. Grow up, you're adults, driving expensive high performance cars, which cannot be entrusted to children; why do you insist upon acting like them?

Now ....cut the crap!

Grandpa has spoken .:geezer:

[hitchhiker]

I was told that the site exchanged hands for a very small amount of money.

Obviously, I can't verify this nor is it really any of my business.

Many members here have contributed to MM Net over the years in terms of both content and money.

I, myself have just made my third or fourth, small donation via Pay Pal.

note:

Crowing about being a benefactor greatly diminishes the goodwill it would otherwise generate.

IMHO, the stories circulating about certain people are just going to fester until they come clean and make amends.

A certain ringing sound comes to mind.

In the meantime I will try to enjoy the content presented here and of the other sites members have migrated to.

Like I said in a previous post, I still get an ear to ear grin just thinking about driving my Marauder!

Best Regards,

Dave

:D

[Power Surge]

Y'all remind me of the guy who finds a $50 bill on the street and is pissed because it's not $100.

And you guys are acting like you are the ones who threw the $50 bill on the ground as if we are bums on the sidewalk. The worst thing the staff of a site can do, is make the members feel like they are beneath them. And that's exactly what I am seeing on this site since it changed hands. And I can tell you from a professional standpoint as someone who has owned, moderated, and been a part of many web forums, that's how you put a bad taste in members mouths which leads to nothing positive.

You can still conduct business and moderate a site without insulting it's members.

Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth to you.

[STLR FN]

I haven't posted in awhile. Probably won't too much either now. Just my feelings. To me MM.net is like spinach to me, I'm not too particularly found of it but I try it every once in awhile.

I'll be civil, just won't say much anymore, here, MCM or SVTP from here on out.

[Mike Poore]

I was told that the site exchanged hands for a very small amount of money.

Obviously, I can't verify this nor is it really any of my business.


Dave

:D

You're right, David, it isn't any of your business, but it was a LOT of money, at least to me and some of the other poor folks who ponied up to keep it from going dark.

One jerk refered to it as "chump change" He must be a millionare, 'cause it was real money to me.

What will it take you guys to understand what we've given to you?

And what have we asked in return ..nothing, that's what.

[TooManyFords]

One jerk refered to it as "chump change" He must be a millionare, 'cause it was real money to me.

Where is that message? I'd sure like to give that jerk a piece of my mind!

John

[gpfarrell]

You're wrong, sir.
We Benefactors are all on the same page.
And I agree with every word of Sgt Mac's post.
You'll notice that I refereed to the new owners of this site as Benefactors, and that's exactly what we are. We've put up a significant amount of our own cash, and handed this site to you on a silver platter, with no hope whatever of ever recovering a cent, and many of you have used this gift to savage, berate, and belittle us.
I think it's high time you stop looking a gift horse in the mouth, and start acting like the partners we all hoped you beneficiaries would be. Y'all remind me of the guy who finds a $50 bill on the street and is pissed because it's not $100. Grow up, you're adults, driving expensive high performance cars, which cannot be entrusted to children; why do you insist upon acting like them?

Now ....cut the crap!

Grandpa has spoken .:geezer:

Benefactor?

Can I buy your a$$ out?

That's the most condesending thing I've ever read here. Please re-read my post regarding the definition of a moderator.

You ain't it.

[MikesMerc]

but it was a LOT of money, at least to me and some of the other poor folks who ponied up to keep it from going dark.

What will it take you guys to understand what we've given to you?

And what have we asked in return ..nothing, that's what.

Mike,

I haven't posted a single thing about what has been happening here in days. I've not posted a single opinion as to who is right or wrong about the "vendor thing," nor I have I posted any negative comments about the new site ownership. Not a one. I even made a cash donation last week in support of the site before all this trouble started.

That said, you need to be aware that the membership is now fully aware that there were other offers on the table to Logan. So using the "we are the saviors" thing doesn't work cause its not really true. If Logan let the site go dark, it would have been his choice...not the fault of anyone else for not stepping up. Its great he decided to sell the site to "the 9" for whatever reason. Dave and I pretty much know why our offer was discounted after weeks of serious discussion....and it had little to do with the ongoing viability of the site (but that's another matter).

But, the point is, no one here should be made to feel they do not have a voice here if its anything less than postitive because "the 9" stepped up and saved the day. Logan simply made a choice to sell it you guys. He had other options. At least a few of them. Where we are today is more a function of Logan's decision then it is based on "who stepped up to the plate." So please stop the condencending attitude. I know you guys are doing the best you can for the site, but comments like this are very offensive to the members IMO.

Thanks for reading.

[MikesMerc]

I'll break another promise to myself and post yet again as a quick follow up to my last post. And I say this with all good meaning and intent, and only as a suggestion to the new site ownership.

If I were in your shoes, I'd step up and eat a peice of humble pie. I'd recognize publicy that the new site ownership position is one of great responsibility to the members, and not one of being savior. I'd recognize that when I bought the site, I signed up for being responsible to the members. They are the real bosses.

To be honest, perhaps Dave and I failed to acquire the site because we moved too slowly. Its very likely that delaying while we thought things through affected the outcome at least to some extent. BUT, it was the contemplation of the immense responsibility to the membership that had us thinking twice about acquiring the site and proceeding with intense caution.

IMO, right out of the gate, the membership was hit with the "my way or the highway attitude" from the owners along with being told how lucky they were. Those with questions were belittled. I honestly think this was a terrible approach.

Its not too late to reverse the position, admit that your "working on making things better," admit its the membership that makes the site, and stow the harsh rhetoric.

Again, I say this with nothing but good intentions.

[MM03MOK]

Its not too late to reverse the position, admit that your "working on making things better," admit its the membership that makes the site, and stow the harsh rhetoric.

Mike - I don't know how many ways it can be said. Of course we're "working on making things better," to use your words. We are listening to the Membership, as well as the Supporting Vendors. New ideas take time to research. It can't happen overnight. We all need to work together, not against one another.

I also think this has been hashed around enough. It is draining for all and a distraction from us trying to move forward. We've only been here for 21 days. Whatever Logan did, was his decision, and again, thank you for letting us know there were other interested parties.

I personally appreciate the opinions of the Membership, good, bad or indifferent, but we're being challenged every step of the way. Please work with us and not against us.

Let's everyone get back to our cars, which will let us get back to managing "the store" for and on behalf of everyone. Please?


The pages have turned and a new chapter begins at MercuryMarauder.Net. Whether we call it Chapter Two or Second Generation, nine long-standing Members have stepped up to ensure the viable long-term future of MercuryMarauder.Net.

We call this site "Home," as many of you do. Having our "Home" turned into a vacant lot would have made us all nomads, roaming around cyberspace with no direction. We banded together to ensure we would always have a place to hang our hats.

We hope to do some redecorating to enhance the features and value of the website.

Our overall focus is to keep you coming back. Our goal is to keep the windows clean, the floor vacuumed and empty the trash once in a while.

With the help of the Membership and Supporting Vendors, our aim is to keep the lights on and the door open. Your financial support is needed to accomplish this so please consider becoming a Supporting Member. http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/payments.php As finances permit, our ultimate goal is to support the Membership in the form of contributions to regional events and the National Meet.

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[AstroVic]

Second, let's review some facts available to any member through your profile, I think they carry some weight. This is not secret stuff, it's public record.

I'm not really sure what to make of your comments, but I'll keep my response as short as possible.

1. I joined this site a long time before I owned a Marauder. I've owned several Crown Vics and have been an active member on www.crownvic.net (http://www.crownvic.net) and www.crownvic.us (http://www.crownvic.us) for a few years. I joined this site around the time that I was organizing a joint Crown Vic/Marauder meet in Grapevine last year. The meet turned out to be a huge success. I met a lot of great members from this site and had excellent memories from their hospitality. But since I didn't own a Marauder at the time, I really didn't have many reasons to post in this forum. Most of my activity has been on CVN.

I purchased my first Marauder....um...what?, about 45 days ago. Maybe that has a little something to do with my recent activity in this forum. There is no great conspiracy linked between my posts and your purchase of this site, trust me. It's a coincidence and nothing more.

2. I haven't "healed" from anything, because I don't feel "wounded" by anything. Honestly, my life doesn't revolve around this website. I care about it, of course, like any other member does, but I could easily live without MM.net. (My wife would probably be a lot happier if I'd walk away and never look back.)

And the cold hard truth is, admins need guys like me more than guys like me need the admins. Because without members like me, this site wouldn't even exist. Last time I checked they don't make Marauders anymore, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that the Marauder ownership numbers will always be on the steady decline (totalled vehicles, etc.).

3. I don't have any personal animosity toward any member on this site, admin or otherwise. I *have* had a problem with one vendor from this site - I believe he was/is unethical - but that was a long time ago and totally irrelevant at this point. I also had a very brief disagreement with another admin in the OTR thread, but he and I quickly talked it over and respectfully apologized to one another for any hard feelings that took place.

The OTR thread hasn't really changed my viewpoint on anything. As a member, I stated what I thought about it, but what does it really matter anyhow? The admin is going to do whatever the admin chooses to do. And rightfully so, as the owners you/they have to make your bed and lie in it.

4. Although I really didn't have $25 to spare, I ponied up and contributed to this site - *AFTER* the OTR thread began. Perhaps nobody cares.

Heck, if I had to do it over again, I'm not sure I would. I certainly don't feel the slightest bit of appreciation for my donation, but at least it was only $25.

5. My response earlier in this thread was not intended to paint a negative picture toward any thing or any body; it was directly at a specific reply to a specific admin member's comments, with a desire to make sure the admin's "spin" didn't mislead unaware members. Posts *HAVE* been heavily edited and/or deleted, and not simply for housekeeping reasons. Other members have seen the same thing. So, for that particular admin member to come on here and say otherwise was completely untrue. What's wrong with me pointing that out?

Finally, I'd just like to say that I really enjoy my Marauder. It's an awesome car! Sadly, I can't really say the same for this site right now.

I'm out. :bandit:

[MarauderTJA]

Can't (and didn't) say they did not occur, I read it all again today. If you're a contributing member, you should see them too. If I can find your post in the notes and if it is as you say, I'll restore that. It's the best I can offer now.

We had some accidents by admins too, there are a lot of buttons available and we are learning how to handle them. I've explained that in another thread here, and I apologize for them. Collateral damage?

Again, if you had not stepped into the battlefield, you could not have been wounded, friendly fire or not. No excuses from me, just an explanation of how and why. This surely is not the "mass destruction" and slaughter it has been coined, and we want to move on, a little smarter about it all now.

I had one deleted. But it deserved to be deleted...Posted out of frustration for all the BS that went on with those threads on Trilogy installs. No offense to the installers. I too just reacted with emotion and not common sense. Lesson learned..Hopefully more will just let all this go....

But to make it clear to everyone (cause I don't like people pissed at me): I like TAF (TODD) and when I asked him a question on an exhaust situation with my car that could be taken care of at his shop, he declined to talk about with me on the site as well as PM. He specifically told me he does not solicit business on MM.Net.
End of story. SO I was upset at his departure from here and hopefully he will be back. He had some interesting cars to see "on the rack." I ilke ALL High performance cars and trucks.... end of my story. AS Mac says "carry on gents."

[MikesMerc]

Mary, if all the owners had your tact and approach we wouldn't be in this situation. I mean that.

That said, if you truly beleive that my posts are really just a distraction and would be poorly received, I wouldn't be offended at all if you deleted them. I just thought I could say my peace here with all the owners rather than through PMs. Truly, I wouldn't be offended in the least if you think my posts only make matters worse.

Thanks

[MM03MOK]

No one has been banned. Nothing has been deleted other than routine housekeeping (duplicate posts, fix quotes, etc.)




5. My response earlier in this thread was not intended to paint a negative picture toward any thing or any body; it was directly at a specific reply to a specific admin member's comments, with a desire to make sure the admin's "spin" didn't mislead unaware members. Posts *HAVE* been heavily edited and/or deleted, and not simply for housekeeping reasons. Other members have seen the same thing. So, for that particular admin member to come on here and say otherwise was completely untrue. What's wrong with me pointing that out?

This is what I mean about "routine housekeeping":

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[MM03MOK]

Mary, if all the owners had your tact and approach we wouldn't be in this situation. I mean that.

That said, if you truly beleive that my posts are really just a distraction and would be poorly received, I wouldn't be offended at all if you deleted them. I just thought I could say my peace here with all the owners rather than through PMs. Truly, I wouldn't be offended in the least if you think my posts only make matters worse.

Thanks
Mike - I wasn't pointing to you specifically, but we've been talking about this for a number of days and we're all repeating ourselves, again and again. It's the repetition that is the distraction. This whole thread is a distraction, because it's all been said.

[hitchhiker]

I take responsibility for the starting of this thread and for the good intentions behind it.

Regards

Dave

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[MM2004]

I take responsibility for the starting of this thread and for the good intentions behind it.

Regards

Dave

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And I must ask you Dave,

What intentions might those be?

Not being a smart-azz, but really would like to know what those intentions are?

Mike.

[DEFYANT]

And I must ask you Dave,

What intentions might those be?

Not being a smart-azz, but really would like to know what those intentions are?

Mike.

It's in the title of the thread. He is trying to say the samething I was trying to say in the opening posts in the Owed Nothing and my So Long (the end of the opening post)threads

[hitchhiker]

It's in the title of the thread. He is trying to say the samething I was trying to say in the opening posts in the Owed Nothing and my So Long (the end of the opening post)threads

That about covers it.

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[StevenJ]

I take responsibility for the starting of this thread and for the good intentions behind it.

Regards

Dave

:D

When you state that you have good intentions, that's a clear sign that you are lying....

:stupid: I wouldn't trust you as far as I can throw you. Then again, you do still bring up a good point.

[hitchhiker]

When you state that you have good intentions, that's a clear sign that you are lying....

:stupid: I wouldn't trust you as far as I can throw you. Then again, you do still bring up a good point.

You listen to too many politicians!

:D

[HotrodMerc]

It's in the title of the thread. He is trying to say the samething I was trying to say in the opening posts in the Owed Nothing and my So Long (the end of the opening post)threads

If there is a need to restore civility to this site, it is first in the hands of the few members that apparently want to continue an unnecessary controversy, fueled by the few. IMO, Mary and the other owners/admins. are bending over backwards 160 degrees and showing the patience of Job in responding and tolerating the complainers. I have been a member for 2.5 yrs., less than some, longer than some, and the only reason that matters is one of breadth of observation. I have no problem with what Mary and other admins. are doing or have done to date with the site. I also believe that any individual that has any sense of reasoning, and reasonableness, would acknowledge that if there are suggestions being made about things to do with the site, that it is unreasonable to expect a lot of things to happen in less than one month, and that some suggestions just might not ever be implemented, though they may be appreciated. As to ownership, I would rather see nine owner/admin's. than one, or two, and for more than one reason. As for deletions, etc., my gut feeling is that if we were to see all that has been deleted, censored or whatever, there probably isn't enough about Marauders in the supposed vast amount of deletions to fill a tire valve cap on one. I believe Mary deleted my errant thread, and I asked her to do so, because it was my screw up.

It is interesting that despite how much has been said regarding change in ownership that there are some that won't let it go.
It indeed has all been said. So to those that have said they are leaving, bye.
To those that are staying, perhaps despite something they are not particularly happy about, thank you, and let us all LET it be the site that we all have enjoyed. Thank you. :burnout:

[Vortech347]

You guys do realize this is an Internet forum right? Its just text and people behind keyboards...

This is man drama at its finest. "The days of our lives..."

I never knew drama like this existed untill joining this board thats why I havn't been posting for a while.

[hitchhiker]

I think this thread has served its purpose.

Let's lock it and move on.

Thanks,

Dave

:D

[MM03MOK]

Thank you....