Granatelli COP and Connector group buy

[Dennis Reinhart]

I have received several calls about Granatelli coil connectors as well as COP set up so if there is enough interest I will set this up, every one is at SEMA this week so it will be next week before I can get pricing, but just keep in mind if you buy just the connectors and then later on decide to buy the coils they come with the connectors.

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/images/artlr/28-1812Ssmall.jpg

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/images/artlr/28-1812CPsmall.jpg

[MarauderMarc]

Doesnt F.I.T. offer those? I didnt know 2 different advertisers could compete for the same product sale? Correct me if Im wrong, please.

[FordNut]

Doesnt F.I.T. offer those? I didnt know 2 different advertisers could compete for the same product sale? Correct me if Im wrong, please.

Since there are 3 different vendors who offer SCT stuff, it sounds ok.

And Wes offered the GMS stuff before FIT, too.

[O's Fan Rich]

Price War!!!!!

[SergntMac]

OMG! Wes Chain sells them too! Have we gone mad?

Actually, Dennis is a Platinum Vendor with permission to sell anything he wishes.

[crouse]

I sent a PM to Greg (maraudernkc) asking about another group buy, but no response.

I started a new thread to see where to buy these. Good interest but not much help on where to buy inexpensively.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31452

So I decided to contact one of our quality vendors, Dennis at Reinhart Automotive.

[gonzo50]

I have received several calls about Granatelli coil connectors as well as COP set up so if there is enough interest I will set this up, every one is at SEMA this week so it will be next week before I can get pricing, but just keep in mind if you buy just the connectors and then later on decide to buy the coils they come with the connectors.

I was under the impression that the Granatelli COP set doesn't fit the Marauder application, due to fit issues with the coil covers.:confused:

Also, that the Granatelli COP set was not any better then the stock COP.:shake:

This all was stated in another thread already.:help:

[Dennis Reinhart]

I was under the impression that the Granatelli COP set doesn't fit the Marauder application, due to fit issues with the coil covers.:confused:

Also, that the Granatelli COP set was not any better then the stock COP.:shake:

This all was stated in another thread already.:help:

I think you are misinformed the Granatelli cop fits a 03 Cobra so it will fit the Marauder, one that was tested here in Jacksonville gained 30 RWHP. Will a N/A car gain this much, no it will not, any time you can make the spark hotter you are going to have improved cylinder combustion efficiency. This mean better fuel economy and more power.

The Coil boots and connectors used with stock OEM coils have shown a HP gain as well, so to each his own. I was asked to help and I am trying.

[MarauderMarc]

OMG! Wes Chain sells them too! Have we gone mad?

Actually, Dennis is a Platinum Vendor with permission to sell anything he wishes.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[O's Fan Rich]

I was under the impression that the Granatelli COP set doesn't fit the Marauder application, due to fit issues with the coil covers.:confused:

Also, that the Granatelli COP set was not any better then the stock COP.:shake:

This all was stated in another thread already.:help:

They fit fine... don't know about the coils.
I think previous issues may have been poor cover sealing techniques, allowing moisture to get in there.
If they are not really better, they at least won't stretch out when you change plugs!

[Marauderjack]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the coils in the post above are for SOHC application?? Won't work on our DOHC engines!!:shake:

Also, I think Greg said the Granatelli coils require reversing polarity and not certain how that is done?? Hope you don't have to cut and solder wires??:confused:

Straighten me out here.....and how much for the coils and connectors Dennis??

Marauderjack:help:

[John Nero]

im in on group buy on coil packs

[fastblackmerc]

im in on group buy on coil packs

I'd do the connectors also......

[FordNut]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the coils in the post above are for SOHC application?? Won't work on our DOHC engines!!:shake:

Also, I think Greg said the Granatelli coils require reversing polarity and not certain how that is done?? Hope you don't have to cut and solder wires??:confused:

Straighten me out here.....and how much for the coils and connectors Dennis??

Marauderjack:help:

The coils pictured are for a 2v, but they are available for the 4v.

The 4v coils fit under the coil covers on some cars, but not others. I believe one example where a spacer is required is with the Ford GT type coil covers.

The polarity swap is done by pulling the wires out of the connectors using a paper clip or pin extractor, then swapping positions and plugging the pins back into the connectors.

[Dennis Reinhart]

The coils pictured are for a 2v, but they are available for the 4v.

The 4v coils fit under the coil covers on some cars, but not others. I believe one example where a spacer is required is with the Ford GT type coil covers.

The polarity swap is done by pulling the wires out of the connectors using a paper clip or pin extractor, then swapping positions and plugging the pins back into the connectors.


You do not need to cut any thing you do have to swap the wires around on the conectors.

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/pdf/manual75_4V_Coil_On_Plug_Wirin g_Conversion.pdf (http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/pdf/manual75_4V_Coil_On_Plug_Wirin g_Conversion.pdf)

•Direct OEM replacement, exceeds OEM specifications, OBD-II computer safe
•Increase power to the spark plug up to 400% over stock
•Adds up to 15HP (normally aspirated) & 35HP (s/c, turbo, & nitrous)
•0 Ohm resistance, no RFI / EMI interference thanks to patented protector ring
•Patented design works with all fuel injection systems, street cars and race cars
•Solid stainless connector cable with stainless snap lock spark plug connectors
•60,000 volt coils provide 40,000 more volts than factory coils, ideal for supercharged, turbo and nitrous applications where spark blowout from weak factory coils is common
•Improves mileage and throttle response
•Includes all necessary hardware.

[Loco1234]

Please keep me posted if this group buy is going through...
I would like to get involved and purchase a set...

[gonzo50]

If they are not really better, they at least won't stretch out when you change plugs!

I have the connectors, and they are superior to the stock ones......I'm refering to the COP not being any better than stock ones, don't quote me on that, just something stated here before.:confused: :help:

[thePunisher]

let us know on the price dennis.....

[Dennis Reinhart]

I tried to call today but I am sure I will get through tomorrow

[SMOKE]

I'll keep an eye on this. I'm interested.

Tried to help rally the 2nd FIT buy back in June but it never moved forward. I'm pretty sure that was just for the connectors anyway. Need to see the price for the COP and connectors that way I'll know if I can get the 'Rauder an early X-mas present...

JWM

[Glenn]

Dennis:

If the price is good, count me in on a group buy.

Glenn

[eric jones]

How much will they cost? I just bought a full COP set and can return them if the group buy price is much cheaper

[crouse]

Hi Dennis,

Any word yet on these. I'm in for a set.

Thanks,
Curt

[Dennis Reinhart]

I should know Monday about setting a account up, and I will set up the group buy:beer:

[tmac1337]

Are some people having a problem with their stock coil packs?

If so, what kind of problem and description would that be? Misfires?

I read in another post, other thread, that a dealership can check the stock coils to see if there working. Any one know how this is done? Does a dealer have to do it or can any decent mechanic do it?

Thanks....just looking for more info. on this subject as this topic has come up several times now.

[SergntMac]

Are some people having a problem with their stock coil packs?

If so, what kind of problem and description would that be? Misfires?

I read in another post, other thread, that a dealership can check the stock coils to see if there working. Any one know how this is done? Does a dealer have to do it or can any decent mechanic do it?

Thanks....just looking for more info. on this subject as this topic has come up several times now."Working" is not the same as "getting the best performance possible", eh?

I have replaced my OEM coil pack connectors on two of my three Marauders, with the Granatelli connectors, and both times, minor (but irritating nonetheless) ignition problems have been resolved.

For the money involved, one cannot lose out. Best to be assured that all the voltage is getting through to the spark plug, rather than wonder if it's not.

I cannot immediately prove that this mod makes any improvement at all, but neither can I prove that it does not.

For the money involved, it's worth it, IMHO. BTW, I have spent more dollars investigating less impressive mods, but the fact that three vendors here have offered them to us as a "group buy" on this mod, I have to consider that there is something behind it all, other than my own observations. Three responsible vendors have endorsed this mod, even Zack asked me if I have a spare set on hand for him...Go figure?

[stryker]

:confused: Sorry for my lack of knowledge but ¿which difference are between the Granatelli ones over the Stock ones? and the price of course !ah! which of the vendors here sell them, Thanks.


STRYKER.:burnout:

[tmac1337]

"Working" is not the same as "getting the best performance possible", eh?

I have replaced my OEM coil pack connectors on two of my three Marauders, with the Granatelli connectors, and both times, minor (but irritating nonetheless) ignition problems have been resolved.

For the money involved, one cannot lose out. Best to be assured that all the voltage is getting through to the spark plug, rather than wonder if it's not.

I cannot immediately prove that this mod makes any improvement at all, but neither can I prove that it does not.

For the money involved, it's worth it, IMHO. BTW, I have spent more dollars investigating less impressive mods, but the fact that three vendors here have offered them to us as a "group buy" on this mod, I have to consider that there is something behind it all, other than my own observations. Three responsible vendors have endorsed this mod, even Zack asked me if I have a spare set on hand for him...Go figure?

Mac, I also have the boot connectors......what kind of problem/symptoms would people have if the coils packs are bad?

[DEFYANT]

"Working" is not the same as "getting the best performance possible", eh?

I have replaced my OEM coil pack connectors on two of my three Marauders, with the Granatelli connectors, and both times, minor (but irritating nonetheless) ignition problems have been resolved.

For the money involved, one cannot lose out. Best to be assured that all the voltage is getting through to the spark plug, rather than wonder if it's not.

I cannot immediately prove that this mod makes any improvement at all, but neither can I prove that it does not.

For the money involved, it's worth it, IMHO. BTW, I have spent more dollars investigating less impressive mods, but the fact that three vendors here have offered them to us as a "group buy" on this mod, I have to consider that there is something behind it all, other than my own observations. Three responsible vendors have endorsed this mod, even Zack asked me if I have a spare set on hand for him...Go figure?

Sooo...this is another feel good mod? These have been on the market for awhile, has anyone gotten any numbers on these yet?

I do not have any noticable ignition problems. No problems - no known gain... why do I need this?

ALL the vendors would sell us synthetic snake oil to rub on our tires if we believed it may decrease the tire wind resistance.

[jimlam56]

Sooo...this is another feel good mod? These have been on the market for awhile, has anyone gotten any numbers on these yet?

I do not have any noticable ignition problems. No problems - no known gain... why do I need this?

ALL the vendors would sell us synthetic snake oil to rub on our tires if we believed it may decrease the tire wind resistance.

Charlie, I doubt there is any performance gains for the connectors, but the quality difference and "beefiness" is noticeable.
I believe someone posted up a side by side pic of OEM vs the Granetelli's a while back, make your own decision.
Jim

[DEFYANT]

Charlie, I doubt there is any performance gains for the connectors, but the quality difference and "beefiness" is noticeable.
I believe someone posted up a side by side pic of OEM vs the Granetelli's a while back, make your own decision.
Jim

Hey bud,

There is no question which ones look cooler. I've seen the pics. The COP connectors look great compared to the ball-point-pen-spring the OEM coil packs come with.

Dennis,
With the facility you have, have you, or could you run a test? Dyno, real world data logging, track times before and after?

[FordNut]

Sooo...this is another feel good mod? These have been on the market for awhile, has anyone gotten any numbers on these yet?

I do not have any noticable ignition problems. No problems - no known gain... why do I need this?

ALL the vendors would sell us synthetic snake oil to rub on our tires if we believed it may decrease the tire wind resistance.

Maybe it is a feel good mod. As far as dyno numbers, I haven't seen anything on mm.net, but some of the other Ford performance forums have posted gains. Not sure how much of it I believe though. The only thing I've heard here was some comments about improved idle and off-idle performance, fixing a minor stumble, other non-quantifiable improvements.

You as well as most of us probably don't need it, it's more a matter of want it.

Yes, vendors will sell us what we demand as consumers. I recall that Dennis used to recommend regular copper plugs. Many potential customers requested iridium plugs so he started offering them. Later on, he was criticized for selling the iridium plugs since there was no performance improvement with them. He wasn't selling them for performance reasons, he was selling them due to customer demand.

[SergntMac]

When I first encountered the G-COP mod, I considered some field testing for positive-negative results before and after. My first set cost me 189.00 from Summit, but we have brough that cost down considerably by the power of the group buy. Thus, now that the cost of the mod has settled in, it serves no purpose to spend my time and money on a dyno, or, at a race track, to find out one way or the other.

I have installed the G-COPs on a supercharged Marauder and a N/A Marauder, and I am pleased with my SOTP results. Perhaps it is just a "feel good" mod, but it does that well.

Tim...The only way I can think of to detect a failing/weak coil pack, is to start with a single fresh coil pack and move it around from cylinder to cylinder, until something changes. Data log and track your performance, a weak coil pack will rise to the surface. Tedious, but effective.

[MENINBLK]

These work great on a NA Marauder.

I got my set from Wes.
The Idle is much smoother, there are absolutely NO misfires,
and the pickup is smoother and quicker.

[SlkMerc]

Id like to get in on this. How much for the set of connectors?

[fastblackmerc]

Dennis, any news on this?

Thanks!

[Dennis Reinhart]

I just spoke to Granatelli the COP is on back order till some time next week but they do have the boot kits, I will post GB pricing tomorrow

[fastblackmerc]

Great!! I assume the boot kit is the boots & wires.

[NATEHAWK]

what happen to this group buy?

[Dennis Reinhart]

what happen to this group buy?


Its a go as soon as I can get the account set up, some time this week

[NATEHAWK]

Cool count me in for a set...Thanks in advance

[Svashtar]

Last year a forumite posted that the the JC Whitney coil plugs were a great mod he had just done. This is the same thing correct?

Just bumping this back up. I am in for these, hopefully on the group buy, but will get them from Dennis direct in any case if that falls through.

My only caveat is that they fit under the pretty polished Ford Racing coil covers I have on the car. :D

Thanks,

Norm

[fastblackmerc]

Last year a forumite posted that the the JC Whitney coil plugs were a great mod he had just done. This is the same thing correct?

My only caveat is that they fit under the pretty polished Ford Racing coil covers I have on the car. :D

Thanks,

Norm

Norm, I think these are the as the ones in JC Whitless..... and yes, they do fit under the Ford Racing coil covers.

[greggash]

Norm, I think these are the as the ones in JC Whitless..... and yes, they do fit under the Ford Racing coil covers.

yes they fit, take your time and make sure they are really seated on the plug.

I like my set of COP wires...they make it a little more interesting to change the plugs.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Ok we are ready to go, I will now accept orders for the COP connectors as well as the coil kits, I can not advertise prices lower than suggested retail, so let's get the list started, all members wanting to get in on the GB will need to call Jackie, she will tell you the price, take your order and start processing them right away. The new coils will be available in 30 days I want to thank every one for there patience in this.:beer: Thanks Gregg for helping with this.

[maraudernkc]

Dennis, anytime:)


Ok we are ready to go, I will now accept orders for the COP connectors as well as the coil kits, I can not advertise prices lower than suggested retail, so let's get the list started, all members wanting to get in on the GB will need to call Jackie, she will tell you the price, take your order and start processing them right away. The new coils will be available in 30 days I want to thank every one for there patience in this.:beer: Thanks Gregg for helping with this.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Jackie is now taking orders for the GB on the coil kits as well as the boots with inserts so give her a call and will start shipping these out.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I am going to close the group buy out next Friday January 26, this will allow the members to get there orders in, so far we have one commited buyer, I know this was slow in getting started but that was do to the fact I wanted to get the best price for the club.

[Svashtar]

Hey Guys,

Just got off the phone with Dennis who told me this is a done deal! I went ahead and placed my order, but it won't fly unless all those interested also call in and confirm their order w/ Jackie ASAP (for either package), 1-904-276-5003.

This should be a good solid mod for both N/A and S/C'd cars.

Thanks!

Norm

[Dennis Reinhart]

We now have the second confirmed buy, thanks Norm for the post.

[Dennis Reinhart]

We recieved one confirmed sale for the coil kits, I will let this run till next Friday if at that time we have not met our minimum, I will close the thread. Thanks every one for the interest in this.

[RUSTY]

I placed my order for the COP connectors with Jackie today.
Thanks,
Rusty

[fastblackmerc]

How much just for the coils?

[Dennis Reinhart]

How much just for the coils?


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[Blackened300a]

You do not need to cut any thing you do have to swap the wires around on the conectors..

Is swapping wires around on the connectors still mandatory to make these work? Or is this speculation since it was before any info was available?

[FordNut]

Is swapping wires around on the connectors still mandatory to make these work? Or is this speculation since it was before any info was available?

My understanding is that these are the new version coils which have been revised to eliminate the need for wiring swap and spacers for the covers.

[Blackened300a]

My understanding is that these are the new version coils which have been revised to eliminate the need for wiring swap and spacers for the covers.

Nice, Looks like Ill be making a call this week

[SMOKE]

Just called in for a set of the connectors. I'll use them when I put a new set of plugs in in the spring. I figure for the GB price I can't go wrong and will end up with a nice, serviceable part (x8) that should last/work better than the stock parts.

JWM

[Raudermaster]

If I buy the COP as opposed to the coil connectors, I would notice more power with the full COP correct?

[Dennis Reinhart]

If I buy the COP as opposed to the coil connectors, I would notice more power with the full COP correct?


Your not going to see a big power gain, N/A the car will gain some RWHP but a N/A car will not do as much as a SC car

[Blackened300a]

Your not going to see a big power gain, N/A the car will gain some RWHP but a N/A car will not do as much as a SC car

What type of RWHP on a N/A application are we talking? Some of the Mach1 guys have said up to 15HP N/A and up to 35HP on a S/C.
Does this sound accurate?

[Dennis Reinhart]

What type of RWHP on a N/A application are we talking? Some of the Mach1 guys have said up to 15HP N/A and up to 35HP on a S/C.
Does this sound accurate?



I honestly feel 15 RWHP on a N/A car is stretching it, but again, you have to consider all the mods you curently have, you are only going get a certain amount on a N/A car, for example if you have a N/A Marauder at lets say 300 RWHP will you gain 15 more I doubt it. I would like to see a before and after dyno pull, now on the SC cars I have seen those numbers, using a MSD and I have seen other tuners post numbers close to this range, with the coils and boots.

[fastblackmerc]

:confused: Sorry for my lack of knowledge but ¿which difference are between the Granatelli ones over the Stock ones? and the price of course !ah! which of the vendors here sell them, Thanks.


STRYKER.:burnout:

Seer the pictures below for the difference.

[Blackened300a]

Yeah I was shocked at the price of the coils but seeing that price which they consider a sale price. DR did right by us in this GB.

[MENINBLK]

The 4v coils fit under the coil covers on some cars, but not others.
I believe one example where a spacer is required is with the Ford GT type coil covers.

I have the FORD GT type coil covers on my Marauder.
There is NO SPACER necessary with the Granatelli COP wires.

[Black_Noise]

nevermind, i should have read more before posting something

[Black_Noise]

is this over?

no more orders after jan 26th

[Dennis Reinhart]

The group buy ends today I will be shipping the boots out next week and the coils are almost ready, I want to thank every body for this GB.

[SMOKE]

Did anybody recieve these yet? Have they shipped? (ordered connectors only)...

I was charged back in January and have been told "They'll ship this week" pretty much through February.

Thanks...

[KillJoy]

Did anybody recieve these yet? Have they shipped? (ordered connectors only)...

I was charged back in January and have been told "They'll ship this week" pretty much through February.

Thanks...


Uhhh....it looks like the GB just ended a week ago????


:confused:

KillJoy

[Dennis Reinhart]

Did anybody recieve these yet? Have they shipped? (ordered connectors only)...

I was charged back in January and have been told "They'll ship this week" pretty much through February.

Thanks...

The boots are going out, the coils were being redesigned by Granateli and they should be ready in about week so I apprecitae the patients, the PI converter GB is complete so is the KVR SS lines so if any one needs any thing just Give Jackie a call

[SMOKE]

Thanks Dennis...

[Dennis Reinhart]

All orders have gone out, every one should have the boots by Friday, the new coils are done, these do not require a polarity swap and have a revised mounting stud so again than all of of you for being so patient.

[Mesencephalon]

for the 2nd time I missed out on the group buy, but lets say I just want to order them, can you tell me what part numbers / names I'd need to get the modified boots, etc. w/ the best coil kit w/ everything I'd need - I've read of RWHP gains as high as 15% for non S/C & the ones that are stock apparantly get bad press for being flimsy springy things? I'll just order them straight from someone (who?). I have no S/C yet but am planning to go Procharger later this summer.

Thanks in Advance!!
Dave

[Dennis Reinhart]

for the 2nd time I missed out on the group buy, but lets say I just want to order them, can you tell me what part numbers / names I'd need to get the modified boots, etc. w/ the best coil kit w/ everything I'd need - I've read of RWHP gains as high as 15% for non S/C & the ones that are stock apparantly get bad press for being flimsy springy things? I'll just order them straight from someone (who?). I have no S/C yet but am planning to go Procharger later this summer.

Thanks in Advance!!
Dave


Well how about I give you a set when you buy my Vortech kit

[KillJoy]

Well how about I give you a set when you buy my Vortech kit


NICE!

I like free things :D

KillJoy

PS - Where's my Flordia Oranges???

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thank you to every member that has waited on this, all the coils and the boots have gone out, they now have every thing in stock, even though the GB is over, I will as always work with the members here on fair pricing.