Oil filter???

[lastdaze04]

Ok just a quickie:
I,m off to do my oil change, I already know what oil I will use Mobile 1
10w-30 but is there an oil filter besides the Mobile 1 that will work with this oil? (geeminee christmas u see what they want for those filters:fire: ) All help will be appreciated!!!!!!!!:D
Rick

[fastblackmerc]

First I'd use 5w-20 or 5w-30 oil. Get a Motorcraft 820S filter.

[jgc61sr2002]

I also use the factory filter. $3 something at Wallyworld.

[Glenn]

Use what Ford recommends: 5W-20.

Glenn

[AstroVic]

10W30? Good God, man, why?

I digress....

Get the Motorcraft FL820S filter and your car will love you for it. I use those with Royal Purple 5W20 in my Marauder, but to each his own.

Wix filters are also an excellent choice. So are Purolator PureOnes. K&N and Mobil 1/EP filters are excellent, too, but a bit pricey for what you get in return.

[lastdaze04]

Ok I looked in the manual and it said 5w-20. Mobile 1 has a new one out 5w-20 and it even says its for Fords. So I will use it. And I just purchased the Ford Motorcraft FL 820s oil filter for the MM.
Thanks for all your help.
Rick:burn:

[AstroVic]

Ok I looked in the manual and it said 5w-20. Mobile 1 has a new one out 5w-20 and it even says its for Fords. So I will use it. And I just purchased the Ford Motorcraft FL 820s oil filter for the MM.
Thanks for all your help.
Rick:burn:

Rick, you did good, brother.

You can't go wrong with your selections. The 5W20 oils have shown unbelievable results in used oil analyses (UOAs) with Fords, and the Motorcraft filters are held in very high regard by those "in the know."

If you're ever near Houston, get with me and I'll hook you up with Royal Purple for about $4 a quart including tax. I'd be happy to share my hookup with a fellow Texan (or anyone else on this board for that matter!).

BTW, where in East Texas are you located?

[FordNut]

I use Mobil1 5w20 and PureOne filters.

[sweetair]

Try Mobil 1 5-30 synthetic with a NAPA gold filter. You will never go back to anything else.

[AstroVic]

Try Mobil 1 5-30 synthetic with a NAPA gold filter. You will never go back to anything else.

Why? Why the 5W30, when Ford recommends 5W20 and the UOAs of 5W20 have turned in unbelievably good results? What's the point of going with a heavier weight oil?

And, as you probably already know, the NAPA Gold filter is nothing more than a Wix filter that has been rebadged for sale by the good folks at NAPA. An excellent filter, but probably not worth twice the cost of a Motorcraft FL820S, at least IMHO.

[fastblackmerc]

Why? Why the 5W30, when Ford recommends 5W20 and the UOAs of 5W20 have turned in unbelievably good results? What's the point of going with a heavier weight oil?

I like to use 5w20 in the winter and 5w30 in the summer. I really don't think there is that much difference between 5w-20 & 5w30.

[Black_Noise]

i use the 90 gear weight in the motor, kinda hard to start in the morning but when it warms up..... oh man!!

[ROADWARRIORSVT]

Why? Why the 5W30,


Well if 5W20 is good, then 5W30 must be better!! :banana2:




I'll bet someone actually elieves this....:rolleyes:

[JohnE]

5w30 or 10w30 Makes sense for very hot climates, like +90F. Otherwise I'd use 5w20 in your Marauder.



Here's the recommended oil for a Volvo 80T6 (Straight 6 with twin turbo and 8 quart capacity) The Marauder engine is designed to run thinner oil than this, so just use this as an indication of how heat effects the needs. I run 10W30 most of the year and 5W30 in our short Houston winter in both my cars. I also use Mobile One.
http://home.houston.rr.com/eiswirth/Pics/Oil.jpg

[Marauderjack]

I have used Mobil I 5W30 for over two years and recently tried 10W30 while monitoring water temps with my ScanGauge!!:cool:

With 5W30 my engine temps run 188*-193* with my 180* thermostat. With 10W30 the temps ran up to 190*-197* around town??:confused: Mac did a bunch of oil testing on his Kenny Brown car and found higher viscosity cause higher engine temps due to slower flow.....I guess??;)

In addition to slightly higher temps the oil pressure was a little LOWER!!:argue: This surprised me but I guess with 30W being 5* hotter it would possibly drop the pressure??:confused:

Next change I plan to drop back to 5W20 since my local Wally World now carries it in Mobil I........If it runs cooler with about the same pressure I'll be going back to what Ford recommends as far as viscosity is concerned!!:beer:

None of this even borders on being a problem since oil can stand much more heat than I experienced but intuitively I feel like lower temps mean better oil flow, engine cooling and longer engine life??:bows:

Marauderjack:bandit:

[RF Overlord]

Gentlemen, it's MOBIL, not MOBILE. Mobile is a city in Alabama.

...and yes, I AM the spelling police... :D

Rick, I agree you did well by switching back to 5W-20...even in TX, 10W-30 is a tad thick for the modular motors, especially the DOHC, although 5W-30 can be used with no worries.

You also made a good choice in the MC FL-820S. Although the Mobil 1 filter is a high quality piece, as you discovered they're very proud of them. You generally can't go wrong using the factory-recommended filter, and since it's even available at Wally World, there's almost no excuse not to use it. As a second-source, WIX and NAPA Gold, which are the same filter (made by WIX) with different paint on the can, are also top notch.

[RF Overlord]

marauderjack, you may find this interesting:

The current (SM) formulation of Mobil 1 5W-30 has been rumoured to no longer be 100% PAO. A respected member over on BITOG did some gas chromatograph testing and determined that there is a significant amount of Group III base stock in the 5W-30 and other flavours. This really annoys me, not because there's anything wrong with Group III oils (there isn't), but because XOM won't admit it and is stonewalling all requests for information on this issue. Additionally, Mobil was the first to cry "foul" and bring suit against Castrol for doing the very same thing with Syntec. I don't so much mind that Mobil changed the formulation as the fact that they're being so hypocritical about it and still charging true-synthetic prices for faux-synthetic oil.

Another interesting fact is that the SM version is significantly thicker than the previous (SL): 64.8/11.3 for the SM versus 56/10 for the SL.

I have been using a 60/40 blend of 5W-30 and 5W-20, which results in a viscosity equal to the SL formulation, but I'm seriously leaning towards discontinuing Mobil 1 and using Pennzoil Platinum. PP is just as available as M1, is the viscosity I want, and can usually be obtained at a significantly lower cost. Even though it, too, is now a Group III oil (the previous flavour was an EOP), for my 5,000-mile OCI I think it will be fine.

[FordNut]

Sounds like if you want true synthetic now the only options are specialty sources like Amsoil or Red Line??

[Marauderjack]

marauderjack, you may find this interesting:

The current (SM) formulation of Mobil 1 5W-30 has been rumoured to no longer be 100% PAO. A respected member over on BITOG did some gas chromatograph testing and determined that there is a significant amount of Group III base stock in the 5W-30 and other flavours. This really annoys me, not because there's anything wrong with Group III oils (there isn't), but because XOM won't admit it and is stonewalling all requests for information on this issue. Additionally, Mobil was the first to cry "foul" and bring suit against Castrol for doing the very same thing with Syntec. I don't so much mind that Mobil changed the formulation as the fact that they're being so hypocritical about it and still charging true-synthetic prices for faux-synthetic oil.

Another interesting fact is that the SM version is significantly thicker than the previous (SL): 64.8/11.3 for the SM versus 56/10 for the SL.

I have been using a 60/40 blend of 5W-30 and 5W-20, which results in a viscosity equal to the SL formulation, but I'm seriously leaning towards discontinuing Mobil 1 and using Pennzoil Platinum. PP is just as available as M1, is the viscosity I want, and can usually be obtained at a significantly lower cost. Even though it, too, is now a Group III oil (the previous flavour was an EOP), for my 5,000-mile OCI, I think it will be fine.



Interesting stuff RF!!!:cool:

Makes you wonder about everything from oil to fuel quality when our "WHOLE WORLD" is driven by marketing and advertisements!!:shake:

I'm like you though.....frequent changes and I don't think there will be any problems??:confused:

Funny....I was just at Wally World looking at Pennzoil!!:beer:

Marauderjack:burnout:

[RF Overlord]

Sounds like if you want true synthetic now the only options are specialty sources like Amsoil or Red Line??Aside from a small handful of boutique oils that are either very expensive or hard to find, you are correct...AMSOIL, Red Line and Royal Purple are about the only true synthetics left, now... :(

[lastdaze04]

Hey AstroVic:
I live in Palestine Tx.. Ok outside of Palestine Tx. Oh alright I'm out in the middle of nowhere. The closest big town is Tyler Tx apprx 50 min away.
I've been to houston once, and that was to pick up a tranny for the mustang (long since gone).. Are there many MM in Houston. Is there a MM club?
e-mail me
lastdaze04@yahoo.com

[lastdaze04]

Hey R F Overlord:
I'm not educated in oils. I only know what I read and then I do not believe everything I read. But isn't the oil that Ford recommends (thier own Motorcraft of course the 5w-20 a synthetic "BLEND"???. If so it would not make a difference if you used Mobil 1 or Castrol or any other "BLEND"???
Like I said I am NOT an expert but want to hear the replies so as to get more 'educated on the subject'. I am not trying to start any wars here as I do not want to get banned. But information 'is' information.
Rick

[AstroVic]

Hey R F Overlord:
I'm not educated in oils. I only know what I read and then I do not believe everything I read. But isn't the oil that Ford recommends (thier own Motorcraft of course the 5w-20 a synthetic "BLEND"???. If so it would not make a difference if you used Mobil 1 or Castrol or any other "BLEND"???
Like I said I am NOT an expert but want to hear the replies so as to get more 'educated on the subject'. I am not trying to start any wars here as I do not want to get banned. But information 'is' information.
Rick

Rick,

Here's the bottom line: Any of the modern oils will work well. Some may work better than others, particularly depending on how the oil will be "pushed" - towing, hot & dusty climate, etc.

Ford recommends 5W20 in its modular engines and all of the 5W20 UOAs are showing stellar results, so most folks seem to agree that there is no reason to deviate from this viscosity, regardless of conditions. (Old habits die hard, however, so some guys still swear by the thicker oils - 10W30s, 15W40s, etc.)

Motorcraft 5W20 is indeed a synthetic blend. It's an outstanding oil and many motorheads over on bobistheoilguy.com use it in their non-Ford vehicles.

The truth is, almost any name brand API rated SM or SL oil will work well if it's changed in "reasonable" intervals. These days, 5,000 mile intervals are considered very safe (and possibly *too* safe, if there is such a thing!).

Synthetics such as Amsoil, Red Line, and Royal Purple have their advantages, but it's really a matter of price to performance for most folks. I can buy Royal Purple for $50 a case (12 quarts) and that includes taxes. That's really the only reason I use it. Otherwise, I'd be using Motorcraft 5W20 for $10-something a jug at Walmart.

If you want to try Royal Purple, I'll be happy to hook you up with this price anytime you want. Just let me know. Perhaps you can make a Sunday run to Houston to meet up for breakfast with me, JohnE, and Wes (from Innovative Interceptors). I'll buy your breakfast. :)

[lastdaze04]

Hey Todd:

Thanks for the info. clears up a few things for me. Going to some of the other websites you listed clears thing up a bit. I saw some old archived stuff on this site too. Makes for some good reading. I was wondering tho, since I have a S/C that is part of the oiling system if I should stretch it to 5000 miles or go with changing it every 3000 miles, what do most guys on this forum do with a S/C as part of thier oiling system??????????? Any advice??

[AstroVic]

Hey Todd:

Thanks for the info. clears up a few things for me. Going to some of the other websites you listed clears thing up a bit. I saw some old archived stuff on this site too. Makes for some good reading. I was wondering tho, since I have a S/C that is part of the oiling system if I should stretch it to 5000 miles or go with changing it every 3000 miles, what do most guys on this forum do with a S/C as part of thier oiling system??????????? Any advice??

Again, this is just my personal opinion, but when I get my Trilogy supercharger installed on my car (next month, hopefully) I won't run the oil beyond 3,000 to 4,000 miles. In fact, I probably won't run it past 2,000 or 3,000 miles.

This is for two reasons:

1) I only put about 350 - 500 miles a month on my Marauder, and with the humidity in Houston I don't like the idea of condensation getting inside my engine and creating problems (seldom driven car + high humidty environment = condensation which helps to create sludge), so I think six months would be my maximum interval. Serious overkill on my part, but it will make me sleep easier at night, and, to me, that's all that matters.

2) Superchargers, nitrous, etc. create heat, and heat kills oil. Now, I don't think the extra heat is significant enough to even come anywhere close to pushing the oil to its limits (see Marauderjack's oil temp readings with is blown Procharger Marauder), but, again, I will sleep easier at night knowing my baby has fresh Royal Purple synthetic in her crankcase. (No perverted jokes, you sickos!)

:pimp:

Just my opinions, and nothing more. Keep in mind I'm anal retentive by nature and I go wayyyy overkill on maintenance, but at least I know my cars will last a long time.

[RF Overlord]

Rick, you've gotten some very good info from AstroVic up there^^^...I couldn't have said it better myself. :D

Your OCI (oil change interval) will vary depending on what oil you use. If you run Motorcraft 5W-20, I would do a 3,000-mile OCI (assuming you have a Vortech blower from your description). If you opt for a full synthetic such as Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum, etc, or a true synth like Royal Purple, then 5,000 miles is appropriate.