FIT v Trilogy

[BLACKMARAUDER18]

Just wanted to know whats different between the two S/c besides price

Stuff Like Hp Gain,etc.

[jabo731]

Sorry Blackmarauder18 you picked a bad time to join and ask a question like that. Maybe 2 years ago it would have been a civil discussion, but now a question like that will almost for sure cause WWIII. My best advise to you is to contact the vendors and or use the search button and review old threads. Again sorry I can't be more helpful....

[RCSignals]

Sorry Blackmarauder18 you picked a bad time to join and ask a question like that. Maybe 2 years ago it would have been a civil discussion, but now a question like that will almost for sure cause WWIII. My best advise to you is to contact the vendors and or use the search button and review old threads. Again sorry I can't be more helpful....

Two years ago it could have gone off topic as well jabo. Very much so.
He should have asked the question in the garage maybe, rather than a vendor forum.

[jabo731]

Two years ago it could have gone off topic as well jabo. Very much so.
He should have asked the question in the garage maybe, rather than a vendor forum.

Again I agree.

[MM2004]

Yup. Moved to the Garage.

Thanks,

Mike.

[BLACKMARAUDER18]

sorry disregard thread

[MM03MOK]

Too many variables. I'd suggest checking out the timeslip database ^^, reviewing signatures, checking out the Garage http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/vbgarage.php?

This will educate you fairly well on the options and benefits of each.

I will move this to The Garage Forum.

[BLACKMARAUDER18]

how do you delete thread

[MM03MOK]

Yup. Moved to the Garage.

Thanks,

Mike.
Quick as a :bunny2:

[MarauderTJA]

Sorry Blackmarauder18 you picked a bad time to join and ask a question like that. Maybe 2 years ago it would have been a civil discussion, but now a question like that will almost for sure cause WWIII. My best advise to you is to contact the vendors and or use the search button and review old threads. Again sorry I can't be more helpful....

Actually it is far more civil now than two years ago:D . My advice is contact Greg at F.I.T. or feel free to PM me and I'll give you a call to give you information on my F.I.T. Procharger set-up. Things here on MM.NET are far more open-minded when it comes to S/C's. Also, TMAC1337 is over on the southeast coast of Florida and he would be more than willing to give you a ride in his F.I.T. Procharger car.

[DEFYANT]

Ask around individually, talk on the phone with other customers.

I've always said: "Ask yourself what you want your car to do and Mod accordingly". After searching this site and becoming familur with what all available power adders do, their pros and cons, you'll have your answer for whats best for you.


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[MarauderTJA]

Ask around individually, talk on the phone with other customers.

I've always said: "Ask yourself what you want your car to do and Mod accordingly". After searching this site and becoming familur with what all available power adders do, their pros and cons, you'll have your answer for whats best for you.


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Charlie is right. But also take a ride in the various cars to give yourself a seat-of-pants feel in what you might like in a power adder. It is an investment that is more than just spending money. Also, do not let anyone talk you into anything over the phone. A ride is the only thing that will give you a better prospective.

[Smokie]

Just wanted to know whats different between the two S/c besides price

Stuff Like Hp Gain,etc.

The obvious difference is how they make the boost and where in the power band.

Trilogy will take a BONESTOCK MM to about 385 rwhp, FIT to about 425-430 rwhp. On bonestock cars the Trilogy will move the car out the hole faster because it makes a great deal of torque instantly, FIT requires a little more revs to achieve the same torque.

A typical 1/4 mile for both kits on bonestock MM's is mid to low 13's. A T/C compliments the FIT and makes quite a bit of difference on the low end, 4:10 gears will benefit both kits, my opinion is the 4:10's are not needed at all with the Trilogy, my opinion is also that it don't need a T/C.

Gears and T/C's will make both kits faster, Trilogy is faster out of the hole, FIT has a greater top end potential.

This are just my opinions....:D so nobody get all excited ok.;)

[teamrope]

The obvious difference is how they make the boost and where in the power band.

Trilogy will take a BONESTOCK MM to about 385 rwhp, FIT to about 425-430 rwhp. On bonestock cars the Trilogy will move the car out the hole faster because it makes a great deal of torque instantly, FIT requires a little more revs to achieve the same torque.

A typical 1/4 mile for both kits on bonestock MM's is mid to low 13's. A T/C compliments the FIT and makes quite a bit of difference on the low end, 4:10 gears will benefit both kits, my opinion is the 4:10's are not needed at all with the Trilogy, my opinion is also that it don't need a T/C.

Gears and T/C's will make both kits faster, Trilogy is faster out of the hole, FIT has a greater top end potential.

This are just my opinions....:D so nobody get all excited ok.;)
Smokie, anyone that will get in a pissing match with you over a post like that is someone I don't even want to be associated with my friend. :beer:

[Smokie]

Smokie, anyone that will get in a pissing match with you over a post like that is someone I don't even want to be associated with my friend. :beer:

Thanks....:)

[RCSignals]

The obvious difference is how they make the boost and where in the power band.

Trilogy will take a BONESTOCK MM to about 385 rwhp, FIT to about 425-430 rwhp. On bonestock cars the Trilogy will move the car out the hole faster because it makes a great deal of torque instantly, FIT requires a little more revs to achieve the same torque.

A typical 1/4 mile for both kits on bonestock MM's is mid to low 13's. A T/C compliments the FIT and makes quite a bit of difference on the low end, 4:10 gears will benefit both kits, my opinion is the 4:10's are not needed at all with the Trilogy, my opinion is also that it don't need a T/C.

Gears and T/C's will make both kits faster, Trilogy is faster out of the hole, FIT has a greater top end potential.

This are just my opinions....:D so nobody get all excited ok.;)

Thanks Javier. I have ordered a Trilogy, and you confirm what I want to do.

[KillJoy]

Here are my OPINIONS:

Trilogy - Looks awesome due to the stock look. Crazy TQ down low where it is needed. In stock form, it does not put the the numbers of the "snails". Uses a self contained oil.

Procharger - Looks pretty much like the Vortech. A little different plumbing and a different looking Intercooler. Makes wicked power up high. Also uses a self contained oil.

KillJoy

[KillJoy]

Also....

The Trilogy uses an air to water intercooler, where as the FIT uses an air to air intercooler.

KillJoy

[Jerry Barnes]

They are all good units. You cannot make a bad decision.

Jerry

[greggash]

The current 3 flavors of Supercharging have their ups and downs ....
Tuning is very important for all of them

As Smokie said a roots style blower will have immediate torque.
That torque starts to fall off after 4300 RPM , but its still good
You might be financially attached to the tire companies:(
Again ...a personal preference, how you drive...etc..etc

The centrifugals Procharger and Vortech
Both very strong blowers the internal gearing on a Procharger is 4:10, and on a Vortech 3:60..so they are slightly different in the speed of the impeller, and also the impeller design.
Oiling of the procharger is a selfcontained slinger system, oiling straight cut gears....yes its gonna whistle, no stealth at all
Oiling of the Vortech is done via the engine oiling system, the Vortech SQ V2 uses heilical cut gears to cut down on noise, result, almost silent
both systems use a single serpentine belt, and belt tension is very important, as I have come to find out.

And I am sure that Juno almost has his car done...that will be Turbo charged:burnout: :burnout: :beer:

[Meteorite]

This might be the calmest, most rational supercharger thread I've read.

Well done, gentlemen.:beer:

[Bluerauder]

They are all good units. You cannot make a bad decision.

Jerry
:toast:

:2thumbs:

:burn:

:burnout:

[Smokie]

Here is some information on my Kit of choice, Trilogy. All information about my car is listed in my SIG. It is up to date and there are no omissions.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/showcase/files/2/4/8/TrilogyDynoResults.Medium.jpg

[MarauderTJA]

Thanks Javier. I have ordered a Trilogy, and you confirm what I want to do.

That is the most important thing for you to consider, "what you want to do.":beer:

[MM2004]

They are all good units. You cannot make a bad decision.

Jerry

Now THAT is what it is all about.

Kudos Jerry!

Mike.

[rumble]

Just wanted to know whats different between the two S/c besides price

Stuff Like Hp Gain,etc.

One thing I can tell you for sure. I've been on this site since the first year
it started and I don't think I've ever read a case of buyers remorse from
any supercharger owner of any type.

As for the difference? Yeah, theirs a difference but it kinda boils down to personal choice. Like politics and religion.

Pick your poison and enjoy the ride.

:beer:

[RR|Suki]

Paxton!!!!!! :eek: :banana2:

[chader]

I'd be interested in talking to someone who has lots of experiance with the various types....over the phone.

[O's Fan Rich]

I'd be interested in talking to someone who has lots of experiance with the various types....over the phone.

You'll need to talk to few people.
The ones who responded to this thread are good choices, pm them.

When I was debating which kit ( for about a year...) I had a lot of conversations with various ones who have the kits and the Vendors.
As stated you cannot go wrong with any kit you buy from a Vendor here. They are setup for our cars and they all work as advertised.
1- decide what you want.
2- decide what you will do to the car after or during the s/c install
3- Be honest with yourself and ask who's gonna put it on, it could be you!
4- Look at the overall packages of the kits, examine the components and the tunes
5- take a look at your finances. There are more important things to go in debt over remember.
6- After the install plan on getting the tune customized for your car, it makes a huge difference.

Either way, if you can, get some boost into your car, the fun factor is immense!:banana:

[tmac1337]

All the kits are good, it's the marketing of them that's been the problem around here!

I have a Procharger. The components of the blower kit and blower have been trouble free. All come shipped in a box the size of a coffin from the loading dock at Procharger. Actual shipping costs apply.

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The P1SC comes with a returnable foam box in case the seals need to be replaced. Simply unbolt it, and ship it back to Procharger.

The kit comes with 3 oil containers for the blower unit, with the oil changed out every 5K miles. I do this when I change out the engine's mobil 1. The blower has a filler bolt on top, and a drain bolt on the bottom for this with seals. I have not observed any leakage. Just make sure they are tight.

I have my intercooler located on the bottom and like the look of it. I have not had any problems parking the car or running into any parking stops. The cooler can be mounted behind the grill.

Yes, the blower does whistle. But no more than a Vortech in my opinion. I have a custom made air box which takes air in directly behind the headlight. I noticed that most of the whistle comes out of the K&N filter. The filter is completely enclosed. With the air box, the whistle is muted extremely well.

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The Procharger and Vortech air to air both have plumbing to run. I have had no problems with the plumbing moving on me.

I had already installed a PI 3000 stall T/Q and 4:10 gears, courtesy of D. Reinhart, prior to installing the Procharger kit. The 3000 stall and gears will help any of the kits, no matter which one you buy, although they will help a roots type less.

It is no secret that it takes a centrifugal a little more time to spool up than a roots. Roots types have great low end TQ, less high end HP, so putting a 3000 stall and 4:10 gears, which impact the low end greatly, on a kit that is already making good power there has been a debatable question by many. On a Procharger or Vortech, it is no question. The centrifugals make good power low end with the units currently being sold, and have great power mid and high range. Put on the T/Q converter and gears and what do you get? Great low, mid, and high end TQ and HP that is more than enough to satisify me, and that is all that matters!

Much of the debates around here focus on drag racing times. I am a fast street car junkie and have never been very interested in, or drag raced much. Come up on me on the street, which is why I bought the car, or on the highway, we'll play in real time.

Tuning and fuel issues have been the biggest problem for me. I was Procharger #1. Now there are plenty of tunes available, and I have a fantastic one in the car now! It also took me awhile to realize that twin cobra fuel pumps could not keep the pressure up enough for my system. It was dropping on the high end. Twin GT-40s solved that problem. The base Procharger kit does not have either of these problems and will put a car in the 430-460 HP and 410-430 TQ range. I am running a little over that currently.

Factor in price, and the mods I already had, or which savings allowed me to additionally buy, and I made the choice that was right for me.

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[ckadiddle]

Bottom line:
Ain't no such thing as a bad supercharger if you get it from one of our three vendors!

[HwyCruiser]

Yes, the blower does whistle. But no more than a Vortech in my opinion. I have a custom made air box which takes air in directly behind the headlight. I noticed that most of the whistle comes out of the K&N filter. The filter is completely enclosed. With the air box, the whistle is muted extremely well.

An airbox does wonders in muting the whistle and gear noise, but there's no mistaking a Marauder sporting a centrifugal supercharger. The P1SC sounds like a jet sitting idle on the tarmac. Once you hit the long pedal and put a load on the supercharger the gears quite right down, just the opposite of a roots blower which develops a very distinguished whine under load.

There is no doubt that a roots blower develops torque down low because of the "instant-on" boost of a positive displacement blower. This is where when side-by-side on the track and with equivalent maximum boost levels, a centrifugal-equipped Marauder will need the mechanical leverage of a higher stall torque converter to keep up with a roots-equipped Marauder in the first 330 feet. After that, the higher efficiency of the centrifugal will win the foot race. This isn't based on theory, this is based on first-hand observation from racing four different roots-equipped Marauders on the track. I believe that gearing and exhaust will benefit both setups equally.

[MarauderTJA]

I personally love the whistle:whistle: . Have had it on three of my cars. You get that OMG look from the motor head guys on the street and at the track.

Other people come up and tell you, hey buddy you have a whistle in the motor there. My response, yeah I know don't you just love it:D. They look at you really strange. A little throttle and the whistle is gone and boost is just a matter of stepping hard on the accelerator with no noise at all (other than the tires screeching).

The Trilogy is the opposite. Quiet at idle, but roars like Pratt-Wittney jet engine when under boost. But does sound mean under boost.

I like the capability of upgrading the blower which I did for my built motor from a P1Sc to a D1SC. Also upgraded the intercooler. Like TMAC I like the under the front airdam mount. You get some real serious looks from people in their mirror as well as coming down the road straight ahead. A kinda of uh oh look if you come next to a vette at the light. Then you see the window come down, he hears the whistle, looks staight ahead and leaves the light like an 80 year lady heading to church.....:lol: . Gotta love it.

[Merc-O-matic]

I wish mine whistled at idle too....but enjoy whatever
you got....

Gotta Love It!:P

[RCSignals]

you could always try Bubb Rubb whistle tips

[Cobra25]

Stop by the Tower Shops one friday nite and speak to the guys. Maybe go for a ride in each of them. All 3 of the kits ( Trilogy, Vorteck, ProCharger) are excellent kits. Take your time and do your research.

[Merc-O-matic]

you could always try Bubb Rubb whistle tips


Wonder what TripleTransAm thinks of the "Bubb Rubb" Whistle Tips...
Maybe he's got some on his new "Mopar" buggy.

Gotta Love It!:beatnik: