Vortech'rs W/Intercooled Systems

[MarauderMark]

The other day i replaced my fog lights(had to do this side 1 handed:down: )and while i was on the drivers side i noticed the hose(pictured)crimped going around the fender bracket going to the coolant box for intercooling . Now i took off the hose and nothing came out but when i tilt the box there was some in it(actually i dropped it and lost maybe 2 cups full)so i cut the hose and made it shorter and pulled it in front of that bracket , crimp gone.
Okay so obviously this is not connected to the cooling system .

So my questions are ;
should this system be full (i quess to the top)? if so is the only way to fill it is from the black box and if i fill it from there then how does it go up the hose to the cooler? is/should there be a pump that circulates the fluid inside? Also should i have this box mounted where the battery is ?Thanks..

I don't know if i shoulda posted this here or Dennis' forum.

[Drock96Marquis]

So, I take it you have a water to air intercooler system, correct?


should this system be full (i quess to the top)?Not to the very top, as you have to allow a little for pressure and heat build-up. But yes, filled.




if so is the only way to fill it is from the black box and if i fill it from there then how does it go up the hose to the cooler?Yes, fill it from the reservoir. Allow the system to circulate some then top off. Burping the system may, or may not be required.




is/should there be a pump that circulates the fluid inside?Yes, otherwise the intercooler is useless. The pump must circulate the coolant to exchange the heat from the intercooler to the intercooler radiator/heat exchanger.
The intercooler cools the boosted air charge by having the incoming air charge pass over a series of tube and fins through which the coolant is flowing. By doing so, the heat from the boosted air is transferred to the coolant. The pump must keep the coolant circulating to allow the heat exchanger; which is down stream of the intercooler, to lower the temperature of the coolant using outside airflow. The intercooler system coolant needs to be as cold as possible to to keep the intercooler effective.

In addition, the pump must flow enough to keep it circulating, but not too fast as to not allow the coolant in the intercooler to absorb the heat as well - and the heat exchanger to extract the heat efficiently.


If there was no coolant flow, the intercooler coolant would just heat up and never get a chance to cool off. With the coolant hot, there is no way to cool the air charge - making the intercooler a useless box just slowing your intake air.




Your pump is probably wired to be hot in run if electric (ie Bosch intercooler pump (Lightning/Cobra use this))
Follow the hoses, you should see the pump somewhere along the way - whether it be mechanical or electric.

Start the car and open the cap on the intercooler system reservoir. You should see the coolant flowing.


Also should i have this box mounted where the battery is ?Thanks..Where's your battery, the trunk?

If by black box - you mean the coolant (intercooler) reservoir - then mount it where ever you want.
The heat exchanger needs to have outside airflow to be effective (ie, in front of the condensor)
The intercooler, naturally, needs to be inline of the boost :P

[Marauderman]

The other day i replaced my fog lights(had to do this side 1 handed:down: )and while i was on the drivers side i noticed the hose(pictured)crimped going around the fender bracket going to the coolant box for intercooling . Now i took off the hose and nothing came out but when i tilt the box there was some in it(actually i dropped it and lost maybe 2 cups full)so i cut the hose and made it shorter and pulled it in front of that bracket , crimp gone.
Okay so obviously this is not connected to the cooling system .

So my questions are ;
should this system be full (i quess to the top)? if so is the only way to fill it is from the black box and if i fill it from there then how does it go up the hose to the cooler? is/should there be a pump that circulates the fluid inside? Also should i have this box mounted where the battery is ?Thanks..

I don't know if i shoulda posted this here or Dennis' forum.
Why not call Dennis and find out the circumstances regarding your situation---.....I do not recall mine looking that way---will recheck this weekend----Tom

[Dennis Reinhart]

Why not call Dennis and find out the circumstances regarding your situation---.....I do not recall mine looking that way---will recheck this weekend----Tom

Well this has nothing to do with me, this is the people that installed Marks last motor, they just got the hose twisted when puting the car back together I told him what to do to fix this.

[MarauderMark]

So, I take it you have a water to air intercooler system, correct?

Not to the very top, as you have to allow a little for pressure and heat build-up. But yes, filled.



Yes, fill it from the reservoir. Allow the system to circulate some then top off. Burping the system may, or may not be required.



Yes, otherwise the intercooler is useless. The pump must circulate the coolant to exchange the heat from the intercooler to the intercooler radiator/heat exchanger.
The intercooler cools the boosted air charge by having the incoming air charge pass over a series of tube and fins through which the coolant is flowing. By doing so, the heat from the boosted air is transferred to the coolant. The pump must keep the coolant circulating to allow the heat exchanger; which is down stream of the intercooler, to lower the temperature of the coolant using outside airflow. The intercooler system coolant needs to be as cold as possible to to keep the intercooler effective.

In addition, the pump must flow enough to keep it circulating, but not too fast as to not allow the coolant in the intercooler to absorb the heat as well - and the heat exchanger to extract the heat efficiently.


If there was no coolant flow, the intercooler coolant would just heat up and never get a chance to cool off. With the coolant hot, there is no way to cool the air charge - making the intercooler a useless box just slowing your intake air.




Your pump is probably wired to be hot in run if electric (ie Bosch intercooler pump (Lightning/Cobra use this))
Follow the hoses, you should see the pump somewhere along the way - whether it be mechanical or electric.

Start the car and open the cap on the intercooler system reservoir. You should see the coolant flowing.

Where's your battery, the trunk?

If by black box - you mean the coolant (intercooler) reservoir - then mount it where ever you want.
The heat exchanger needs to have outside airflow to be effective (ie, in front of the condensor)
The intercooler, naturally, needs to be inline of the boost :P

No battery is still in same place but i was thinking maybe to move it to the trunk so that the reservoir can be opened w/o having to unbolt and hold that crap at the bottom.
Thank you very much as it is greatly appreciated:up:


Why not call Dennis and find out the circumstances regarding your situation---.....I do not recall mine looking that way---will recheck this weekend----Tom

Yep might wanna to check it jic:D


Well this has nothing to do with me, this is the people that installed Marks last motor, they just got the hose twisted when puting the car back together I told him what to do to fix this.

Thank you that helped .:D
So then you agree with what Drock wrote , correct?:help:

[Haggis]

Mark we dissucused this at one of the CAM Meets at Big Bats. Check in your right wheel well for the pump. Your S/C will run fine with out the coolant flowing, but your intake air will not be cooled.

I had this problem with #5 and had to check all the hoses for crimps. Checked to make sure the pump was still good, they do burn out. And flushed my whole system refilled the reservior and #5 is good to go.

[KillJoy]

I had this problem with #5 and had to check all the hoses for crimps. Checked to make sure the pump was still good, they do burn out. And flushed my whole system refilled the reservior and #5 is good to go.

So....was your pump bad???

KillJoy

[Haggis]

So....was your pump bad???

KillJoy

No the hose was crimped, was able to reroute it and flow was good. My reservior is located behind the grill, a lot easier to get to and check then MarauderMarks which is located in the wheel well.

[Zack]

All 3 Kenny Brown cars Ive had my hands on had crimped hoses to the point of a no-flow condition.

[Haggis]

All 3 Kenny Brown cars Ive had my hands on had crimped hoses to the point of a no-flow condition.

Glad you didn't have your hands on #8 then. ;)

[MarauderMark]

Thanks Gordon:up:.I'll have to take a look at yours and mine.

[merc]

Thanks Gordon:up:.I'll have to take a look at yours and mine.

That sounds alittle broke back to me:lol:

[Marauderman]

Well this has nothing to do with me, this is the people that installed Marks last motor, they just got the hose twisted when puting the car back together I told him what to do to fix this.

I figured it had to be something outside your fence----Hey Mark---looks like Dennis has a simple fix--why the big deal ...you don't have those "sometimers" do you......:lol:

[Haggis]

Thanks Gordon:up:.I'll have to take a look at yours and mine.


That sounds alittle broke back to me

I'll show you mine, if you show me yours. ;)

[sailsmen]

Mark, I thought you took a vow to never touch your Marauder with a tool?

[MarauderMark]

Mark, I thought you took a vow to never touch your Marauder with a tool?

God/Dennis help me::up::D

[MarauderMark]

QUOTE=Marauderman;469601

--Hey Mark---looks like Dennis has a simple fix-I told Dennis how i was going to fix it and he agreed.

-why the big deal .Whats the big deal , asking questions of something i didn't know about?:dunno:

..you don't have those "sometimers" do you......:lol: Sometimes.:D
Thank you..

[Marauderman]

QUOTE=Marauderman;469601

--Hey Mark---looks like Dennis has a simple fix-I told Dennis how i was going to fix it and he agreed.

Thank you..

....hummmm....so you both told each other how to fix the problem......seems I need more/or missed info--apparently didn't know as much as I thought........

[Marauderman]

After re-reading these post it has accurred to me that things have taken the usual worst here--
When a one way media is taken the wrong way--a friend of mine a while back , when the board here was young and we were but a few of us on here, once told me that you can type a saying or phrase your thinking but when read by others , well, that one line or few words you typed can be taken totaly out of context and considered something totally so indifferent you have no idea how it ( the subject) got so screwed up in the first place--

He was so right then and now--No wonder so many get so pixxed off at others and so many make accusations at so many and talk behind people here on the board-- gheesh..

All I was trying to say was , since Mark and I both had gotten DR Kits, and I had thought he discoverd a problem he was not knowledgable about before, and that I should mentioned he should call DR ..not knowing he had
posted he had informed him of the fix, all would be ok--I did not know that my reference to call DR would make DR feel nor was to imply that DR had done anything wrong--but rather to mean that by calling DR ,that DR might inlighten him on how to fix it--I again did not know the two had spoken about it--hexx-- I am just a bystander here--crap!! with the same kit --I thought!--

Anyway--DR posted it is or was from others who may have caused it--ok--I did not mean to refer that it was a problem that DR caused--more of referring to DR so he could help out -yet I was wondering at the same time when I posted this --why hasn't he called DR anyway--I'm thinking I surely didn't need to tell him that...oh well i say to myself...

SO it appears that the problem happend after Mark got his motor done again elsewhere..--ok --and he and DR spoke about it--ok--each agreed on the fix---Here is where who told who is --Oh well

ALl this is ridiculous......wish I had never posted anything--which is why I haven't much lately--seems after MVIV--there has been so much disagreement among the troops--many have left and gone elsewhere....even I have looked around to other sites to see whats been going on.

It all comes back to what I saidfin the beginning--even I took Marks one way media the wrong way--he was just stating a condition from a secondary problem--I though it was from an original problem--so there--shoulda stayed the hexx out of it--sorry-

[Joe Walsh]

crimped hoses to the point of a no-flow condition.

Kinked intercooler coolant hose = No intercooler coolant flow = Hot intercooler core = Hot intake air on a boosted engine = BOOM!??

Sounds like a recipe for disaster...or would the IAT see high temperatures and pull the timing?

[Hotrauder]

Tom, Old Friend; don't get exercised. You responded to a brother who asked for help, in a constructive way. Good on you. Not to worry where it went from there. Keep on trying to help, have fun, sleep well and ALWAYS consider the source. Non illigitmi carborundum, bud. Dennis:D If that doesn't work I will lend you my BS protectors.

[Marauderman]

Tom, Old Friend; don't get exercised. You responded to a brother who asked for help, in a constructive way. Good on you. Not to worry where it went from there. Keep on trying to help, have fun, sleep well and ALWAYS consider the source. Non illigitmi carborundum, bud. Dennis:D If that doesn't work I will lend you my BS protectors.
T
Thanks Dennis--I needed that-- guess I need to dodge more often --or get those shields of yours..:lol:

[Haggis]

Tom, Old Friend; don't get exercised. You responded to a brother who asked for help, in a constructive way. Good on you. Not to worry where it went from there. Keep on trying to help, have fun, sleep well and ALWAYS consider the source. Non illigitmi carborundum, bud. Dennis:D If that doesn't work I will lend you my BS protectors.

^^^I'm with Dennis^^^, Tom, don't worry about it your heart was in the right place. You have been here long enough and you have many friends here Tom and your loss would be a loss to the Marauder family.

[Marauderjack]

I post here with caution lately and ALWAYS have my flame suit on or close by!!:flamer:

"Tension" has unfortunately become the key word for life around here and I just don't get it??:confused: Is it that our cars are a few years old and ALL mods have been done/discussed......Nothing else to do??:confused:

We HAVE a great community (group) and still seem to have members who take pride in "Stirring Things Up"........then the unknowing add a spin or two and we're "Off To Da Races"!!!:argue:

Hey folks......step back.....count to 10.....add your CONSTRUCTIVE comments....and get back to where we were a few years ago!!??;)

Sorry about contributing to "Off Topic" but I had to get it off my chest!!:cool:

Marauderjack:depress:

PS: Post #1947 = Year I was born.....Is this and OMEN.......OFF TO BUY POWERBALL TICKETS!!!!!

[Marauderman]

PS: Post #1947 = Year I was born.....Is this and OMEN.......OFF TO BUY POWERBALL TICKETS!!!!!

Now you've gone and done it............we all know your age now---you done done a WHOOPS!!!!!!!!:lol:

[MarauderMark]

Sorry Tom .I guess i came off to defensive.didn't mean to.:D

[Marauderman]

Sorry Tom .I guess i came off to defensive.didn't mean to.:D

no harm--no foul----I'm a bit late finding out about things......seems this is one of a few lately I'm becoming aware of.....so no sweet my friend---just glad your car is running great for ya again......Tom

[Marauderjack]

Now you've gone and done it............we all know your age now---you done done a WHOOPS!!!!!!!!:lol:


That's OK by me......JUST GLAD I MADE IT THIS FAR!!!:beer: :beer:

[O's Fan Rich]

So, can I guess that the fix is installing a nice 90 degree elbow at the offending area?
Am I correct, Hmmmm?

[MarauderMark]

So, can I guess that the fix is installing a nice 90 degree elbow at the offending area?
Am I correct, Hmmmm?

Just went to take a pic of what i did and the batterys dead.I quess i need cash for flash now:rolleyes: Anyways all i did was cut 2" off the hose and angled the brass fitting to 10/11 oclock it took out 3/4 of the crimp( better than it was) and dassit .tomorrow will get under and spend time looking at it all and checking to make sure it works.it really really sucks not having any reinhart equipped people around here :alone: .:D

[KillJoy]

Just went to take a pic of what i did and the batterys dead.I quess i need cash for flash now:rolleyes: Anyways all i did was cut 2" off the hose and angled the brass fitting to 10/11 oclock it took out 3/4 of the crimp( better than it was) and dassit .tomorrow will get under and spend time looking at it all and checking to make sure it works.it really really sucks not having any reinhart equipped people around here :alone: .:D


Is DR's A2W kit much different than Kenny Brown's???

KillJoy

[MarauderMark]

no harm--no foul----I'm a bit late finding out about things......seems this is one of a few lately I'm becoming aware of.....so no sweet my friend---just glad your car is running great for ya again......Tom

Other than a tune , well you know how it goes.:burn::D
@ MV5 1st one on me:beer: :up: