intake for marauder?

[amerikan]

does anyone know of any recent forums, and if there is an intake available.. what are the expected gains to the wheels? THANKS GUYS

[FordNut]

I thought I would try a March ram air system for a Mustang. Got a used one off ebay. I don't see an easy way to duct it to the MM air box. May not be possible. Will post an update if I can figure out a way without butchering anything.

[Marauder57]

I thought that Logan had some kind of Mustang intake on his MM....Serge now runs with the Big Dogs.....no he is above intake and minor MM improvements.....old lead foot.... ;)

[TAF]

Originally posted by SergntMac
Oh my...Logan never mentioned any mods involving intake. I thought I had his car down on paper. If he did that mod, it would be news to me, K?


Actually, Sarge...he DID replace the factory box with as cone filter (I think he posted as pic).

I also saw this recently in Charlotte with "mrmark" on his Blue one, that has been modded by Mark Rae at Zeus Automotive. It was a nice setup. (and I FORGOT to take a pic of it)

[FordNut]

OK, so maybe there's some ambiguity here as to what "intake" means.

If the original question means "intake manifold", the only upgrades I know of are the intake manifold for a supercharger installation. There was some discussion about trying the Aviator intake on a MM but as far as I know nobody has tried it.

If the question is referring to "cold air intake system", there is nothing available for that yet either. Hence my reply commenting about the March ram air system.

Logan's car had a cone-type air filter and a home-built box around it to isolate it from engine compartment heat. It did not have any sort of scoop to bring in cooler outside air.

[TAF]

I stand corrected...

You are right Fordnut...I got "thrown" by the reference to K&N.

My bad.

[sprtyworty]

Hey Mac what's with the occasional eh? I see in your verbage is there a little Canadian in you?

[ghost]

There's always the option of making your own intake pipe and cold-air box.

Cost breakdown:

3" chrome Pep Boys exhaust tip: $25
2 sheets of Plexiglass: $10
Gloss black spray paint: $2.50
Foam seal: $7
Labor: Free :D

You guys are smart, you can do it too. Think and fabricate. :)

Eric

[ghost]

Cold air box in the raw:

[RCSignals]

It's all that time Mac spent working with Constable Fraser of the RCMP.
You did watch the TV show?

[Crown Vic]

I have an intake like that in my car from Angry Duck Racing. From their testing, it knocks 0.7 of your quarter mile with a chip. This is from a Crown vic...may do the same in a Marauder.

[Marauder57]

FROM Sarge,
Well, you think wrong, pal!

Logan never mentioned any mods involving intake. I thought I had his car down on paper. If he did that mod, it would be news to me, K?

Meanwhile, I am not "running" with anything, or, anyone. And, I am not "above" any question posted here, "minor improvements" included.

The question posted used the word "intake," and suggested a path to better performance that none of us have yet explored.

Do you know what "intake" means is on this engine?

Maybe I missed something in reading the original post, but I assure YOU that I have not missed reading anything in YOUR post. WWRROONNGG SIR!!!!

Thank you...I needed to know what it was going to cost me to step up to the MM forever plate.

I'm sorry I did YOU such a disfavor in stepping up...
****************************** *************

Hey now, why don't you back off the accelerator there.....I was siimply making a sarcastic joke....witness the eye wink about the fact you had the Kenny Brown S. Cruz said "spoiled" under you post and I was intimating that you had "THE" MM and that getting a K&N filter charger was not a big deal when you have such a hot car....nothing more....simply paying tribute to your new acquistion.....nothing else....I don't hold any ill will towards you for getting the "S" great job.

And when I saw "intake" to me that meant air....I have seen the K&N ads and information talking about increasing Air Intake and I saw pictures of Logans car and asked him what he did to his MM. I am not capt. mechanic just a fan of my MM.

Crap what does a guy with a sense of humor have to do leave a NO FLAME ZONE :flamer: post after every post or some stupid disclaimer?

Disclaimer: Any person alive or dead or resembling either of the aforementioned who take any offense or defense to words or phrases coined or dollared in the above post should be advised that said post was meant in a "humourous" nature (see Humor in Webster's) and should neither derive or contrive any ill meaning in such. In the event of offense please proceed to the arbritration forum ( www.aclu.com ) where this subject and issue will be dragged on forever and a day.

[Ross]

While we're on this thread, I know that the consensus is that the K&N replacement filter won't actually give any added HP. What about the K&N (or other) conical filter? What improvent does that give, if any?

[ghost]

Not sure about your car, I haven't seen any tests, but the Impala SS will pick up 8-10 hp at the rear wheels with a K&N cone filter and straight pipe to the intake manifold.

Hot Rod TV (I think it was) reproduced those numbers recently on the program by doing just that.

The stock SS intake system sucks (no pun intended). If yours is better, expect less gains in hp. But any reduction in the restriction of the intake is a Good Thing. More air means you can add more fuel and we all know what that combination will do...

Eric

[modular46]

And I was thinking I might see some alternative to the $3000 FRPP 4V Mustang intake.

[Dr Caleb]

I read somewhere here that a K&N setup won't give that big an improvement, plus the fact that K&N's have an oil coating on them can cause the oil to mist and clog the Mass Airflow Sensor. The sensor malfunctions and the car behaves badly.

[ghost]

Originally posted by Dr Caleb
I read somewhere here that a K&N setup won't give that big an improvement, plus the fact that K&N's have an oil coating on them can cause the oil to mist and clog the Mass Airflow Sensor. The sensor malfunctions and the car behaves badly.

That's only if you improperly oil the filter. Following the correct procedures eliminates this issue. I should know, my MAF is right after my K&N. ;)

Eric

[Dr Caleb]

Originally posted by ghost
That's only if you improperly oil the filter. Following the correct procedures eliminates this issue. I should know, my MAF is right after my K&N. ;)

Eric

Captains Log: Note to self, tell First Engineer: Do not top up air filtration system by 1 quart.
:lol:

[CRUZTAKER]

Originally posted by Marauder57
Crap what does a guy with a sense of humor have to do leave a NO FLAME ZONE :flamer: post after every post or some stupid disclaimer?


Yeah wellll,

I deleted my post and ran for cover after that aforementioned response for fear of further repercussions.....I thought you meant "air" as well....




SHHHH, the K&N is coming.......

[sprtyworty]

eh? I was thinking manifold all along as well;intake- manifold. Now what about the induction issue. We have a few suggestions in this thread. I would think Dennis would have made this one of his first retail modifications. Someone needs to manufacture a clean complete kit and sell them to all of us here.

[LincMercLover]

I suggested the Aviator lower intake, but no one has bought me one yet... :D

[FordNut]

I wonder about having the OEM manifold extrude honed. That helps on lots of carbureted cars, but I don't know about our fuel injected cars.

As for the intake tube between the air box/MAF sensor, a nice, smooth one would be nice and probably help some, even with the OEM dimensions. The only problem I see with making a homemade one is the transition from round to oval. Does the Mustang have the same type throttle body? If so, maybe one of the 'stang units could be installed on the opposite side, maybe with an extension since the MM is bigger and the airbox maybe further away.

Having a hard time with the March ram air system. There is a crossmember behind the grille about half way between the grille and radiator that's in the way. Still got some ideas on that, but not sure how to hook it into the air box if I can get it to fit

[RF Overlord]

Originally posted by sprtyworty
I would think Dennis would have made this {cold-air kit} one of his first retail modifications.


Thank you...I keep hassling Dennis to make one, but I seem to be the only one, so instead he goes off and builds blowers, and high-flow cats, and cross-drilled rotors, and sway bars...

:lol: :lol:

[MarauderBoy]

This worked on the Mustang. http://www.extrudehone.com/

[amerikan]

Originally posted by RF Overlord
Thank you...I keep hassling Dennis to make one, but I seem to be the only one, so instead he goes off and builds blowers, and high-flow cats, and cross-drilled rotors, and sway bars...

:lol: :lol:

Dennis, we need the cold air intake kit

[ghost]

Originally posted by MarauderBoy
This worked on the Mustang. http://www.extrudehone.com/

That's a helluva good link, thanks! ;)

Eric

[LincMercLover]

My Dad decked those motors back then, so I don't think you'd find GT40 heads in your Mountaineer. If that did happen to me, I of course would immediately take the car back to the dealer and demand my stocker heads be installed so I could proceed to buy new heads from the aftermarket. But hey, that's just me... :lol:

[Marauderman]

Well- again after reading all day to get to this end post--I must say we have learned alot --especially the way Sarge clears the "air" with us all--and as an added bonus, we got a terrific "disclaimer" phrase for the board members to use now---that just got me turning over :lol:

Yep--sitting back and reading your replies --you can learn alot
from you guys--- gotta love that disclaimer though--cleaver!!!!

[Marauderman]

darn keys

[RF Overlord]

Originally posted by SergntMac
If there was any real power in it, Dennis would be offering it.



OK, I'll buy that there may not be any room for improvement, which is actually not a bad thing; if we've already got as good as it can be, then fine...but I guess I wanted to hear Dennis SAY that...

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by SergntMac
At one time, induction was passive, air was collected from inside the engine bay through an "air cleaner," because it was sucked through by the carbureator. Fuel injection doesn't suck air, so, as fuel injection gained some "efficient" ground, air had to be delivered to the intake.


I'm a bit unclear on what you're trying to say here.

As far as I know, a fuel injection system sucks air just like any other mixture-delivery method. Manifold vacuum draws air through an air cleaner and into intake ports, while passing through some sort of throttling function (usually rotating plates on a shaft).

The only difference in fuel injection is that fuel is atomized by being sprayed into the intake air path under pressure, from some sort of nozzle. In a carburetor, the fuel is atomized as it is drawn out of some small metering tubes placed right in the area of highest air velocity in the carb throats (the venturi principle). This is the same principle that is used in automotive paint guns - rapidly travelling air sucks up and atomizes the paint in this application.

Where the air cleaner is placed is not a big deal. Most if not all engines with a centrally-located 'throttle body injector' (looks like a carburetor) will use a circular element air filter, and on the multi-port systems you can put the air cleaner anywhere you want as long as there's a MAF after it (unless your system doesn't use a MAF, like the General Motors V8s from 1990-1992 which only used a Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor - ie. MAP).

[TripleTransAm]

Originally posted by SergntMac
Naw...that's not possible, is it? If it's a factory item, we just got to rip it out and improve on it right?

Not in absolute terms, but we have to remember that the factory engineers their components based on many factors, most of them not performance-related.

There are issues of noise (drive-by, WOT, etc.), longevity (quality of materials, thickness, resonance for under-hood noise reduction, etc.), safety (not getting stabbed by a MAF end on a frontal impact), cost (it's cheaper to cast a rough part than to spend days extrude-honing it to mirror perfection, etc.)...

I was blessed with the opportunity to participate along with some local F-buds in the design of one of SLP's 'aftermarket' ram air hoods (ie. not delivered as part of any Firehawk factory package). As we commented on several changes we were suggesting to improve the aggressiveness (and functionality) of the hood, we were constantly reminded of frontal crash-test issues and the need to resort to parts bins for items such as hood vents and ram air nostril grilles. So much for absolute focus on performance.

So while there are many items that may be 'good enough' from the factory, it's a safe bet that most are not optimized in the way we hot-rodders would like.

As for Dennis not making any improved part yet... aftermarket development can take some time, too, although they generally don't have as many gov't and lobby (EPA, etc.) constraints to deal with.

[Fast4Door]

Originally posted by LincMercLover
My Dad decked those motors back then, so I don't think you'd find GT40 heads in your Mountaineer.

Actually, if you have a 5.0L Explorer or Mountaineer, you have "GT40" heads. The best factory 5.0L heads you can find. Just ask the 5.0L Mustang guys who race in classes requiring factory heads. They're all usin' 'em. Too bad Explorer the exhaust system sucks.

They are the same heads developed for the "old" 5.0L Mustang Cobras.

As for a "cold air package" - The main benefit is cooler intake air under real world driving conditions. While the engineers need to do a lot of non-performance work, when it comes time to meet HP targets, they pay attention to the air induction losses (probably in the 3-4% range at standard conditions). On dyno, they don't have to worry about hot inlet air. Vehicles are somewhat different.