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collins8
03-16-2007, 05:19 PM
Just wanting to pass on some info. Jerry Wroblewski will be tuning on the following dates listed below. He is considered one of the best in the business and if you have a vehicle that no one else can get tuned, he is the man!
Orange Texas March 31st and April 1st For more info click below
http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=97320
San Diego April 12-14
at JBA in San Diego. Anyone interested should contact Bruce at (btucker@jbaracing.com) or call Bruce at 858-495-3395.
Hartford CT April 21-22, For more info click below
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=890751&highlight=tuning

martyo
03-16-2007, 05:27 PM
Doesn't this post break vendor rules? :confused:

RCSignals
03-16-2007, 05:35 PM
Doesn't this post break vendor rules? :confused:

you mean this post?

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34364

Pat
03-16-2007, 06:34 PM
Doesn't this post break vendor rules? :confused:

A valid question. I read the vendor posting rules and my view is no. The rules clearly state that the Vendor (defined) is the party that cannot post unless certain conditions are met.

In this case it is a third party, Collins8, that is posting to the membership. Jerry may know nothing about this. If Collins is an agent for Jerry then the Vendor rules apply.


Pat

martyo
03-16-2007, 07:02 PM
you mean this post?

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34364

Frankly Duncan, I had never seen that post, so I am not sure why you bring it up here.

I am talking about Post #1 in this thread. And, I am really not trying to stir the pot here, just asking for clarity.

For instance, I believe I would not be allowed to post about our speed shop, so I don't.

Just trying to keep up with what's "right" and what's "wrong."

RCSignals
03-16-2007, 07:16 PM
well marty, I guess if it's your speed shop and you are directly or indirectly selling product or service from it, it would be in violation.

If it's just your favourite speed shop and you want to tell us about it, it wouldn't be.

Is it a speed shop specialising in pre '80s cars?

martyo
03-16-2007, 07:35 PM
Is it a speed shop specialising in pre '80s cars?

I would tell you but then I would gave to kill you.

RCSignals
03-16-2007, 07:36 PM
I would tell you but then I would gave to kill you.

OK

Do you have anything for 1957 Fords and 312 Y-blocks?

thePunisher
03-17-2007, 07:19 AM
now awhile back i had a link in my sig to a recommended tuner that was not a supporting vendor. he also was not aware of my link.and is no affiliated with me. i was told to immediatly remove it from my signature.......:(

martyo
03-17-2007, 09:16 AM
now awhile back i had a link in my sig to a recommended tuner that was not a supporting vendor. he also was not aware of my link.and is no affiliated with me. i was told to immediatly remove it from my signature.......:(


And this thread is really no different.

thePunisher
03-17-2007, 10:58 AM
exactly....

The Big Stu
03-17-2007, 02:31 PM
Selective moderation at its finest.

martyo
03-17-2007, 04:24 PM
Selective moderation at its finest.

Yes, indeed.

RCSignals
03-17-2007, 07:53 PM
now awhile back i had a link in my sig to a recommended tuner that was not a supporting vendor. he also was not aware of my link.and is no affiliated with me. i was told to immediatly remove it from my signature.......:(

how long ago was that?

RCSignals
03-17-2007, 07:56 PM
And this thread is really no different.

It would seem to be some different in that this thread is about tuning events around the country, which in the early days was not an uncommon thread topic.

Placing something about a tuner semi permanently in a signature may be seen as an advertisement. Maybe not.

Maybe if Punisher started a thread "I found a tuner I like" ?

RCSignals
03-17-2007, 07:58 PM
Selective moderation at its finest.

Is it? :confused::confused:

martyo
03-17-2007, 08:22 PM
Is it? :confused::confused:

Duncan. c'mon now you are smarter than that. Stop embarassing yourself in public. It's making me feel uncomfortable for you.

RCSignals
03-17-2007, 08:26 PM
Duncan. c'mon now you are smarter than that. Stop embarassing yourself in public. It's making me feel uncomfortable for you.

marty, are you complaining that there hasn't been any moderation of this thread?

martyo
03-17-2007, 09:47 PM
marty, are you complaining that there hasn't been any moderation of this thread?

Nice side step there Duncan.

Put your left foot in,
Your left foot out,
Your left foot in,
And shake it all about.
You do the hokey pokey
And turn yourself around.

Now put your right foot in,
Your right foot out,
Right foot in
Then you shake it all about.
And then you do the Hokey Pokey
Turn yourself around,
That's what it's all about.

You put your head in,
You put your head out,
Put your head in,
And bang it all about.
Do the Hokey Pokey
And turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.

Let's Do the Hokey Pokey!
Let's Do the Hokey Pokey!
Let's Do the Hokey Pokey!
That's what it's all about.

Put your right hand in,
Your right hand out,
Your right hand in,
And shake it all about,
You do the Hokey Pokey,
And you turn yourself around.

Now put your tongue in,
And your tongue out,
Tongue in,
And Blblblblbl!
You do the Hokey Pokey
Turn yourself around
That's what it's all about.

You put your bottom in,
Put your bottom out,
Put your bottom in,
You put your bottom out,
Put your bottom in,
You put your bottom out,
Put your bottom in,
You put your bottom out,
Put your bottom in,
You put your bottom out,
Put your bottom in,
You put your bottom out,
Put your bottom in,
You put your bottom out,
Do the Hokey Pokey,
Turn yourself about.

Let's do the Hokey Pokey!
Let's do the Hokey Pokey!
Let's do the Hokey Pokey!
That's what it's all about.

RCSignals
03-17-2007, 09:57 PM
nice reply

but is that what you want? the thread to be moderated?

Power Surge
03-17-2007, 10:34 PM
This post is a blatent advertisement. This poster is posting this on many forums. It's not like it's a regular active member just sharing some experiances and suggesting people go see this other vendor/tuner. It's a post to drum up business for a non-vendor.

Now, I would not have a problem with this on any other forum, but this forum is run in it's own tight assed way. Rules are rules. "MY" customers were told to remove my link and business name from their signatures. They were not even allowed put that I am their vendor of choice in their own signatures.

If the people that run this site are going to be that absurdly strict, then yes, THIS post is in violation of those rules.

And this has nothing to do with Jerry personally; I am friends with him and this has nothing to do with him directly.

MENINBLK
03-17-2007, 10:36 PM
Selective moderation at its finest.

Sounds a lot more like selective CE:censor:IP...

But that is a perk when you are the owner!

RCSignals
03-17-2007, 10:49 PM
This post is a blatent advertisement. This poster is posting this on many forums. It's not like it's a regular active member just sharing some experiances and suggesting people go see this other vendor/tuner. It's a post to drum up business for a non-vendor.

Now, I would not have a problem with this on any other forum, but this forum is run in it's own tight assed way. Rules are rules. "MY" customers were told to remove my link and business name from their signatures. They were not even allowed put that I am their vendor of choice in their own signatures.

If the people that run this site are going to be that absurdly strict, then yes, THIS post is in violation of those rules.

And this has nothing to do with Jerry personally; I am friends with him and this has nothing to do with him directly.

So you are suggesting that the starter of this thread is a 'plant' by Jerry?
If he's posting this for Jerry, then I'd have to agree.

I haven't seen it posted anywhere else, but I'll take your word for it.
Could it be that this guy is just letting people know of the tuning events?

If it is OK by you on other forums, should it not be OK here? Can this forum not change and become less of "it's own tight assed way" ?

As was pointed out earlier, this post by itself does not seem to break the 'rules' as they are stated.

I can see a problem with your customers having advertisement for your business in their signatures. That would be blatant.

If you were having tuning events around the country, and someone posted about it, that wold not be blatant advertising, in my simple way of looking at it.

I'm guessing that for whatever reason you didn't want to become a vendor here, and were happy with your customers advertising for you without taking that step. What forums are you a vendor at?

Power Surge
03-17-2007, 11:04 PM
So you are suggesting that the starter of this thread is a 'plant' by Jerry?
If he's posting this for Jerry, then I'd have to agree.

I haven't seen it posted anywhere else, but I'll take your word for it.
Could it be that this guy is just letting people know of the tuning events?

Here's one other forum, just off the top of my head....

http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277925



If it is OK by you on other forums, should it not be OK here? Can this forum not change and become less of "it's own tight assed way" ?

It would be great if this forum could change a little. My post was really just to agree with the "bias" that seems to be found here from time to time with regards to rules.


As was pointed out earlier, this post by itself does not seem to break the 'rules' as they are stated.

I can see a problem with your customers having advertisement for your business in their signatures. That would be blatant.

Yes, blatent censorship. When you don't even allow someone to list their brand of choice in their own list of mods in their signature, that's pretty sad. It's not like they were putting up banner ads or anything.


If you were having tuning events around the country, and someone posted about it, that wold not be blatant advertising, in my simple way of looking at it.

If someone who normally isn't active on a forum starts posting something promoting business for a vendor, and that vendor isn't "supporting" this site, then that's breaking your own rules. If you can't see that, then maybe that's part of the vendor "bias" people complain about.


I'm guessing that for whatever reason you didn't want to become a vendor here, and were happy with your customers advertising for you without taking that step. What forums are you a vendor at?

I had considered becoming a vendor here as some of my customers brought me to this site to give fellow MM owners another great choice in MM performance, but when the site changed ownership, I was not happy with how it was (and is) run. This is nothing new. I have spoken to other forum owners about the topic of trying to get me as a vendor.

RCSignals
03-17-2007, 11:21 PM
Here's one other forum, just off the top of my head....

http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277925




It would be great if this forum could change a little. My post was really just to agree with the "bias" that seems to be found here from time to time with regards to rules.

Perhaps it has, this may be the start. Give it a chance.




Yes, blatent censorship. When you don't even allow someone to list their brand of choice in their own list of mods in their signature, that's pretty sad. It's not like they were putting up banner ads or anything.

I never did see those signatures, but if they just listed 'tune by Sal' and nothing else, then that should be ok. I agree.
If they were an advertisement with address and phone numbers, that would be blatant advertising, don't you agree?






If someone who normally isn't active on a forum starts posting something promoting business for a vendor, and that vendor isn't "supporting" this site, then that's breaking your own rules. If you can't see that, then maybe that's part of the vendor "bias" people complain about.

If he does it regularly, and it's all he ever posts when he's here, then yes.
But one post like this doesn't break the rules as was pointed out




I had considered becoming a vendor here as some of my customers brought me to this site to give fellow MM owners another great choice in MM performance, but when the site changed ownership, I was not happy with how it was (and is) run. This is nothing new. I have spoken to other forum owners about the topic of trying to get me as a vendor.



All I can suggest is you contact and work out an arrangement with the owners.

I have been here from the beginning, it isn't run too much differently, and the 'new' owners have been improving. In many ways Logan was less tolerant.
They've all been here a long time, and Mary in particular has been a moderator for a long time, so isn't exactly new to the way of the place.

Logan was very strict about vendors and advertising in signatures as well. He always was, right from the beginning.

RCSignals
03-17-2007, 11:34 PM
just wanted to add, i took a look and 'collins' has posted three times, the first two were in 2005. One was about a tuning event in TX, the other a link to another site to try to get people interested in a potential tuning event in Van. WA.
If he's blatantly trying to drum up customers he's not working very hard at it.

Now, I would like to see some tuner, any good tuner. Lidio, Sal. Jerry, come out this way. That's a hint... i'm sure there are others on this board as well who would like that.

thePunisher
03-18-2007, 04:43 AM
yep i had sals link in my sig...even before he was a member here. then right after mac became a moderator i got a nice email telling me i had to remove it....

sal absolutely should be a vendor here....theres alot he could add to the forums.......hes been tuning my cars for 6 years and i have no complaints whatsoever!

martyo
03-18-2007, 07:09 AM
just wanted to add, i took a look and 'collins' has posted three times, the first two were in 2005. One was about a tuning event in TX, the other a link to another site to try to get people interested in a potential tuning event in Van. WA.
If he's blatantly trying to drum up customers he's not working very hard at it.

Duncan, I suppose if someone looked at the fact that Collins is not a true "active" member here, it would be pretty clear that he is simply coming on to "pimp" for a non-vendor vendor.

Really Duncan, open your eyes.

Power Surge
03-18-2007, 08:10 AM
just wanted to add, i took a look and 'collins' has posted three times, the first two were in 2005. One was about a tuning event in TX, the other a link to another site to try to get people interested in a potential tuning event in Van. WA.
If he's blatantly trying to drum up customers he's not working very hard at it.


I honestly can't believe you just made that statement.

thePunisher
03-18-2007, 08:41 AM
I honestly can't believe you just made that statement.


amen!:lol:

martyo
03-18-2007, 09:25 AM
I honestly can't believe you just made that statement.

It's not Duncan's fault.

He must be so dizzy from nut swinging that he just can't see clearly.

DEFYANT
03-18-2007, 09:40 AM
Why is this a surprise to anyone?

Vendor violations, sig links, etc... At least you guys were aske to fix your sigs. Mine was just deleted! Why? Because I had a link to motorcitymarauders.com in it.

Now lets be honest. Jerry W is a respected man in the Marauder world and rates somewhere around Steve Babcocks status. Also as a bonus, he is good buddys with Dennis R. DR is a site owner and is buddys with all the other owners.

The rules do not apply when you own the site. Period.

Remember the Grand Muffler mess? At least Todd contributed loads of info the this community. Maybe he got a job or two - big deal. What is collins8 or Jerry W going to kick back for this add?

nomad
03-18-2007, 09:43 AM
Tick,tick,tick,,,,,,,,,

martyo
03-18-2007, 09:50 AM
Why is this a surprise to anyone?

Vendor violations, sig links, etc... At least you guys were aske to fix your sigs. Mine was just deleted! Why? Because I had a link to motorcitymarauders.com in it.

Now lets be honest. Jerry W is a respected man in the Marauder world and rates somewhere around Steve Babcocks status. Also as a bonus, he is good buddys with Dennis R. DR is a site owner and is buddys with all the other owners.

The rules do not apply when you own the site. Period.

Remember the Grand Muffler mess? At least Todd contributed loads of info the this community. Maybe he got a job or two - big deal. What is collins8 or Jerry W going to kick back for this add?


Exactly Charlie.

And, so that we are clear, I have eaten meals with Jerry and had my car tuned by him as well. I have no gripe with him at all.

The point is the uneven-handed applicaton of the vendor rules.

DEFYANT
03-18-2007, 09:56 AM
Exactly Charlie.

And, so that we are clear, I have eaten meals with Jerry and had my car tuned by him as well. I have no gripe with him at all.

The point is the uneven-handed applicaton of the vendor rules.

I want to hi-lite that. I do not know Jerry W. I respect him for his involvement with our car and hope to meet him. In fact, I think it was his article on our transmission that lead me to mod it the way it is now. My comments are not ment to slam him.

Thanks for pointing that out Marty.

martyo
03-18-2007, 10:27 AM
Thanks for pointing that out Marty.

Charlie: It is good that our positions are clear to each other. Now we can only hope that the others get it.

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 11:17 AM
I honestly can't believe you just made that statement.


and why not? Is my statement untrue in any way?

Who is collins? I don't know him, maybe you do? Looks to me he is just letting people know about tuning events, that is not new on mod motor related boards.
with his current record he won't be back here again until 2009.

Become a vendor here and complain about him.

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 11:20 AM
It's not Duncan's fault.

He must be so dizzy from nut swinging that he just can't see clearly.

that is so funny, the only nut-swinger in this thread made the second post!

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 11:28 AM
Why is this a surprise to anyone?

Vendor violations, sig links, etc... At least you guys were aske to fix your sigs. Mine was just deleted! Why? Because I had a link to motorcitymarauders.com in it.

Now lets be honest. Jerry W is a respected man in the Marauder world and rates somewhere around Steve Babcocks status. Also as a bonus, he is good buddys with Dennis R. DR is a site owner and is buddys with all the other owners.

The rules do not apply when you own the site. Period.

Remember the Grand Muffler mess? At least Todd contributed loads of info the this community. Maybe he got a job or two - big deal. What is collins8 or Jerry W going to kick back for this add?

Ah yes, the guy with the blatant advertising for his business, who for whatever reason was given free contributing member benefits without ever being a contributing member. Any other company blatantly advertising themselves here in the same manner would have been put down instantly by Logan, but in this case an exception was made.
No other business has been given such a break.

Open your eyes, more than a job or two went his way directly because of the blatant advertising on this board. People have stated the long distances they've driven just for it. It still goes on.
But of course, there is no reason such a company should become a contributing vendor here, right?

Talk about uneven application of vendor rules.

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 11:29 AM
Charlie: It is good that our positions are clear to each other. Now we can only hope that the others get it.

The intent of your first post to this thread is certainly clear

martyo
03-18-2007, 11:37 AM
that is so funny, the only nut-swinger in this thread made the second post!


Duncan: Post up who you think I am defending. Now I am curious.

martyo
03-18-2007, 11:38 AM
The intent of your first post to this thread is certainly clear

Poor Duncan, you are so confused.

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 11:43 AM
poor marty

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 11:44 AM
Tell me, beyond the first post of this thread, is there not a breaking of the vendor rules?

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34364

there is no interest in making the same issue of it though, it would seem

Power Surge
03-18-2007, 11:59 AM
and why not? Is my statement untrue in any way?

Who is collins? I don't know him, maybe you do? Looks to me he is just letting people know about tuning events, that is not new on mod motor related boards.
with his current record he won't be back here again until 2009.

Become a vendor here and complain about him.

You posted that his only three posts were advertising tuning days. The vendor is not a paying vendor of this site. If you don't think that's a violation of your own rules, you're insane.

Then you go on to shrug it off, and make a joke about the timeline. You're a contradiction of your own rules.

The admins here put up these strict rules, and now members are actually abiding by them and pointing out violations, and here you are arguing in contradiction of your own rules.

You wonder why people think this site is run in a bias way towards some people... THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY.

Become a vendor and then complain? Are you kidding? That statement in itself shows the entire member base that only vendors have pull with admins. Why should I, or any member, have to be a paying vendor to complain when someone breaks your own rules.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I WILL NOT PAY TO BE A VENDOR HERE.

Start running the site better, get your heads out of your asses, get all on the same page, and then you might get more vendors join, and less members leaving.

martyo
03-18-2007, 12:00 PM
Duncan: Post up who you think I am defending. Now I am curious.


Duncan: You didn't answer my question.

DEFYANT
03-18-2007, 12:02 PM
Ah yes, the guy with the blatant advertising for his business, who for whatever reason was given free contributing member benefits without ever being a contributing member. Any other company blatantly advertising themselves here in the same manner would have been put down instantly by Logan, but in this case an exception was made.
No other business has been given such a break.

Open your eyes, more than a job or two went his way directly because of the blatant advertising on this board. People have stated the long distances they've driven just for it. It still goes on.
But of course, there is no reason such a company should become a contributing vendor here, right?

Talk about uneven application of vendor rules.

At least he gave something back to this community. That was my point. He even offered up items to be raffled at MV4. Forget the pics with his biz name in them, if anyone was curious who the biz was, we'd have told them.

This ^^ point is moot.

My point was made.

About Logans moderating style. I agree he was abit like a communist in the begining, before I was around. I searched around a saw several thread where members were bounced. But he did it fairly. He had an attitude like he hated everyone and nobody was safe. Over time that attitude changed. Things relaxed to the point where this board was at two years ago.

That was then, this is now. Just like politics, it is a good ole boy network. If your part of it, you can pretty much do what you want. If not, your on vacation. Love it or hate it, thats the way it is.

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 12:14 PM
You posted that his only three posts were advertising tuning days. The vendor is not a paying vendor of this site. If you don't think that's a violation of your own rules, you're insane.

Then you go on to shrug it off, and make a joke about the timeline. You're a contradiction of your own rules.

The admins here put up these strict rules, and now members are actually abiding by them and pointing out violations, and here you are arguing in contradiction of your own rules.

You wonder why people think this site is run in a bias way towards some people... THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY.

Become a vendor and then complain? Are you kidding? That statement in itself shows the entire member base that only vendors have pull with admins. Why should I, or any member, have to be a paying vendor to complain when someone breaks your own rules.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I WILL NOT PAY TO BE A VENDOR HERE.

Start running the site better, get your heads out of your asses, get all on the same page, and then you might get more vendors join, and less members leaving.


they aren't my rules Sal.

As I've said before, if you have an issue with the owners rules, bring it up to them.

as a member here, the post doesn't bother me. I doubt it bothers many other members. If as a member it bothers you, report it. It is your right and no, you don't have to be a paying vendor to do it. If you are a business though, and not a supporting vendor, why would you be upset at a post like collins?

I personally don't see it breaking the rules, maybe you know that this collins is actually Jerry or works for Jerry. I don't know that.
He's been here once in 2005, and once just the other day. The same kinds of posts yes, but it isn't new for people to post about tuning events, although it doesn't happen very often. It's the kind of information car owners and members who might live near usually like to know.
Now if Lidio a supporting vendor who is also a tuner takes issue with it, he should have more weight, because he is paying for the privilege of advertising his services here, and another business is 'advertising' without paying (if collins is not an innocent poster). Just as if you become a supporting vendor you should have that weight with the owners.

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 12:21 PM
At least he gave something back to this community. That was my point. He even offered up items to be raffled at MV4. Forget the pics with his biz name in them, if anyone was curious who the biz was, we'd have told them.

This ^^ point is moot.

My point was made.

About Logans moderating style. I agree he was abit like a communist in the begining, before I was around. I searched around a saw several thread where members were bounced. But he did it fairly. He had an attitude like he hated everyone and nobody was safe. Over time that attitude changed. Things relaxed to the point where this board was at two years ago.

That was then, this is now. Just like politics, it is a good ole boy network. If your part of it, you can pretty much do what you want. If not, your on vacation. Love it or hate it, thats the way it is.


So basically, a member here who is also a business shouldn't have to become a supporting vendor if they give something back to the community? The rules should be changed to allow that? They should be given all privileges of a supporting vendor?

It was nice of Grand muffler to contribute mufflers to a MV. Too bad it turned into such a drama.
Every supporting vendor contributed as well, in the past it was expected/demanded of them.

Other members have contributed to MV as well, such as Marty and poke.
Maybe they should never have to become contributing members.

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 12:23 PM
Duncan: You didn't answer my question.

Obviously Marty you are defending everyone who is a supporting vendor here, and all of us little members from such people like collins

fastblackmerc
03-18-2007, 12:23 PM
Tell me, beyond the first post of this thread, is there not a breaking of the vendor rules?

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34364

there is no interest in making the same issue of it though, it would seem

Funny, I don't see Grand Muffler mentioned at all......

I do see a plug for "Performance Muffler 702-740-5300" & "Accurate Automotive in Hyde Park, MA" are they vendors on mercurymarauder.net?

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 12:28 PM
Funny, I don't see Grand Muffler mentioned at all......

I do see a plug for "Performance Muffler 702-740-5300" & "Accurate Automotive in Hyde Park, MA" are they vendors on mercurymarauder.net?

Who said Grand Muffler, besides you now and a few thinly veiled suggestions in that thread?

Those two are the 'plugs' I was referring to. (or are they suggestions from member to member?) Are they vendors here?

Dennis Reinhart
03-18-2007, 01:53 PM
I guess some of you have forgotten if it were not for Jerry there would have been no tuning or it would have been delayed for years, Jerry was the EEC engineer that did the testing for the Marauder, he drove the Marauder before it was ever released for sale, I do not know who Collin is nor do I care he is not making money off this he is letting the members know if they want a chance at some of the best tuning in the USA this is where Jerry is going to be, Jerry's dyno days can be found on every car site on the Net, and NO one objects, Logan got the first Jerry tune on a chip, he did not complain, this is a privileged service provided to all of us, if you are bothered by the post ignore it, I am not complaining I am a SCT dealer I have sold Jerry's tuning before there was a SCT, and Lidio is a SCT dealer, I am sure he feels the same.

Krytin
03-18-2007, 02:12 PM
I am sure that no one here has a problem with Jerry - I love his transmission article and you're 100 percent on about the tuning.
The problem that some people have pointed to is a non-member vendor being posted up offering services - excellent services - but there has been different treatment of similar services from other non-member vendors.
I couldn't say what's right or wrong but no one is saying there is something wrong with Jerry.

Power Surge
03-18-2007, 02:33 PM
I guess some of you have forgotten if it were not for Jerry there would have been no tuning or it would have been delayed for years, Jerry was the EEC engineer that did the testing for the Marauder, he drove the Marauder before it was ever released for sale, I do not know who Collin is nor do I care he is not making money off this he is letting the members know if they want a chance at some of the best tuning in the USA this is where Jerry is going to be, Jerry's dyno days can be found on every car site on the Net, and NO one objects, Logan got the first Jerry tune on a chip, he did not complain, this is a privileged service provided to all of us, if you are bothered by the post ignore it, I am not complaining I am a SCT dealer I have sold Jerry's tuning before there was a SCT, and Lidio is a SCT dealer, I am sure he feels the same.

Dennis, as mentioned SEVERAL times in this thread, this is not about Jerry, his services, or really anything about him or what he does. It's about forum/vendor policy, how it's enforced, and where the line is drawn.

O's Fan Rich
03-18-2007, 02:35 PM
Tell me, beyond the first post of this thread, is there not a breaking of the vendor rules?

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34364

there is no interest in making the same issue of it though, it would seem

I do not see any offer of services, or even the naming of a service provider in that thread at all.
No "Hey! Why not come over here and get your self some work done?" is put forth.
I fail to see the correlation,here. No issue at all.

Dennis Reinhart
03-18-2007, 02:52 PM
Dennis, as mentioned SEVERAL times in this thread, this is not about Jerry, his services, or really anything about him or what he does. It's about forum/vendor policy, how it's enforced, and where the line is drawn.


Thank you Sal, but Collin is not making a financial gain here. the post is purley information any one can take it or not. That is the point I am trying to make. I have in the past posted up Jerry dyno days no complaints then, yes I am a vendor but even then I was not making money off of a dyno day unless it was held at my facilaty, and most of the time it was not.

thePunisher
03-18-2007, 03:05 PM
i did not have any financial gain either when i had sals link in my sig....but i was quickly told to remove it. i just figured i have had great luck with him in the past why not recommend him to other ford/marauder owners.......i really didnt see the big deal but apparently it was......:D

MERCMAN
03-18-2007, 03:34 PM
Jerry W. and Steve Babcock are both at the top of the MM.world. One for helping to birth the idea, the other for making it run better than the OEM ever thought. If you can't extend a welcome to either of these men, then something is wrong. This site is very proud to have Jerry W. here as he is a wealth of info and has done more for the performance minded folks than almost anyone. Are Jerry W. and Dennis friends? Of course. I am sure Jerry W. has many friends in the MM community and Dennis is just one of many.

I know that the previous owner of the site allowed notices of Dyno-days where JerryW. was in attendance. This is NOT a new "thing" Some have tried to make this their own personal crusade to disallow it. Jerry deserves some respect and attaboys from you people who are running tunes that he (Jerry) developed.

Anyone who has met this man will attest to his skill and his devotion to his craft.

This topic is not up for discussion PERIOD.

Power Surge
03-18-2007, 03:49 PM
Jerry W. and Steve Babcock are both at the top of the MM.world. One for helping to birth the idea, the other for making it run better than the OEM ever thought. If you can't extend a welcome to either of these men, then something is wrong. This site is very proud to have Jerry W. here as he is a wealth of info and has done more for the performance minded folks than almost anyone. Are Jerry W. and Dennis friends? Of course. I am sure Jerry W. has many friends in the MM community and Dennis is just one of many.

I know that the previous owner of the site allowed notices of Dyno-days where JerryW. was in attendance. This is NOT a new "thing" Some have tried to make this their own personal crusade to disallow it. Jerry deserves some respect and attaboys from you people who are running tunes that he (Jerry) developed.

Anyone who has met this man will attest to his skill and his devotion to his craft.

This topic is not up for discussion PERIOD.

You totally missed the point, but whatever.

Once again, this site shows it's poor management in spades. Really a shame, as I like the site, and I like the members. But I'll never spend a dime here until you learn how to run a site properly.

I've said my piece here and I'm done with this thread.

martyo
03-18-2007, 03:57 PM
You totally missed the point, but whatever.


That's an understatement.

I am a nice guy. I wanted to sell more fender badges which are a fine and very popular addition to many Marauders.

But, I was told that if I sold them again here, I would have to pony up for the privilege.

So, I guess my question would be is it just that Jerry W. is a nicer guy than me? I think my mother would disagree.

I am a lawyer and I can't figure out the vendor rules, so it leaves me wondering how anyone else is expected to figure them out.

O's Fan Rich
03-18-2007, 04:07 PM
Marty, just put them on Ebay. They are going for what? $150.00 at least?

You made killing on the originals, right?:rolleyes:

martyo
03-18-2007, 04:13 PM
You made killing on the originals, right?:rolleyes:

Yep, that is how I bankrolled my car collection. Everyone should try it. :rolleyes:

MM2004
03-18-2007, 04:15 PM
That's an understatement.

I am a nice guy. I wanted to sell more fender badges which are a fine and very popular addition to many Marauders.

But, I was told that if I sold them again here, I would have to pony up for the privilege.

So, I guess my question would be is it just that Jerry W. is a nicer guy than me? I think my mother would disagree.

I am a lawyer and I can't figure out the vendor rules, so it leaves me wondering how anyone else is expected to figure them out.

Are you a nice guy Marty?

Your posts for the past few months would lead one to believe that is an untrue statement.

Who told you to not sell your fender badges? I would like to know.

Yes. You are a lawyer. This is not a court of law. Quit making it out to be one.

We do the best we can.

Personally, I am tired of it.

This goes for anyone else that refuses to accept the way we run this site.

Mike.

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 10:54 PM
You totally missed the point, but whatever.

Once again, this site shows it's poor management in spades. Really a shame, as I like the site, and I like the members. But I'll never spend a dime here until you learn how to run a site properly.

I've said my piece here and I'm done with this thread.

your point is that the vendor rules were broken? It's been pointed out in a previous post that they weren't. How do you think they have been?

Who is collins? If some of you know him and exactly what he does, i.e. is he really a 'vendor' then say something.

Can someone not post information about tuning evens without people throwing their Teddy in the corner?

Why don't you just outline your ideal plan for the running of a site 'properly'?
Your ideas for this are not made clear.

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 10:57 PM
That's an understatement.

I am a nice guy. I wanted to sell more fender badges which are a fine and very popular addition to many Marauders.

But, I was told that if I sold them again here, I would have to pony up for the privilege.

So, I guess my question would be is it just that Jerry W. is a nicer guy than me? I think my mother would disagree.

I am a lawyer and I can't figure out the vendor rules, so it leaves me wondering how anyone else is expected to figure them out.


So this whole thread is about Marty selling or not selling fender badges, and about Jerry W?

RCSignals
03-18-2007, 11:11 PM
marty, are you complaining that there hasn't been any moderation of this thread?

Marty, you didn't answer my question

martyo
03-19-2007, 04:20 AM
Marty, you didn't answer my question

Nope.......

martyo
03-19-2007, 04:21 AM
So this whole thread is about Marty selling or not selling fender badges, and about Jerry W?

Nope.......

martyo
03-19-2007, 04:21 AM
Marty, you didn't answer my question

And, by the way, you have yet to answer several of mine.

Dennis Reinhart
03-19-2007, 05:57 AM
[quote=RCSignals;479773]your point is that the vendor rules were broken? It's been pointed out in a previous post that they weren't. How do you think they have been?

Who is collins? If some of you know him and exactly what he does, i.e. is he really a 'vendor' then say something.

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Collins is friend and customer of Jerry, he is making no money on the dyno events he just posted the information. I am tired of the rhetoric if you do not like this site or the people that work night and day on trying to improving it, then sign off and do not come here, I have been looking at car sites for over ten years, I have never seen any one or a group of people talk bad about the management, if you do your gone, try doing this about Chris I'Hara owner of the Corral or Modular Depot or Modular Ford or Mark 8 .org.
Now enough any one can twist or misinterpret what is written, for the last time let this go.

MM03MOK
03-19-2007, 07:40 AM
I think this discussion has been exhausted.