Superchargers - again

[RCSignals]

Is this the 'new', S/C used for the Shelby 500?

http://www.eatonperformance.com/superchargers/TVS.html

[Drock96Marquis]

IIRC, the GT500 uses the new M122H supercharger with "Radix" TVS ( Twin Vortices System) technology.

It is the latest blower setup from Eaton, enhancing upon the older Mxxx series.
Like the ones before it, it uses multi-lobed rotors with a helix/twist. The new TVS setup uses a much higher helix/twist, combined with 4 lobe rotors (prior used 3 lobe) and tighter clearances. Think of it like a combonation of a twin screw and a typical roots blower.
This means more air in a smaller package, with less heat.

Besides from a slight increase in volume (122 vs 112ci on 03-04 Cobra and Lightnings), the new technology will outperform it's predecessors (ie the M112)


Don't expect to sees these hit the aftermarket very soon. The Aftermarket/future TVS blowers will have the "Rxx" model designation.

[KillJoy]

IIRC, the GT500 uses the new M122H supercharger with "Radix" TVS ( Twin Vortices System) technology.

It is the latest blower setup from Eaton, enhancing upon the older Mxxx series.
Like the ones before it, it uses multi-lobed rotors with a helix/twist. The new TVS setup uses a much higher helix/twist, combined with 4 lobe rotors (prior used 3 lobe) and tighter clearances. Think of it like a combonation of a twin screw and a typical roots blower.
This means more air in a smaller package, with less heat.

Besides from a slight increase in volume (122 vs 112ci on 03-04 Cobra and Lightnings), the new technology will outperform it's predecessors (ie the M112)


Don't expect to sees these hit the aftermarket very soon. The Aftermarket/future TVS blowers will have the "Rxx" model designation.

How do some of you folks know this stuff?!?!?

GOSH!

:beer:

KillJoy

[ctrlraven]

I know I was just thinking that to myself lol. Good stuff to know though.

[Raudermaster]

It's because he's Derek. He just knows these things lol.

[RCSignals]

thanks Derek

So the TVS is basically it.
Sounds like the unit used on the new Shelby 500 is strictly OEM or one off, but what makes it 'new' is Eaton's TVS system.

[Power Surge]

One thing to keep in mind, is that Eaton does not make generic blowers. They make OEM specific units (Lightning, Cobra, T-bird, Jaguar, Ford GT etc).

Magnuson is Eaton's authorized aftermarket company. Magnuson uses Eaton rotor packs and makes their own generic style cases for them.

[RCSignals]

Doesn't Magnusson also use Eaton cases?

[gonzo50]

One thing to keep in mind, is that Eaton does not make generic blowers. They make OEM specific units (Lightning, Cobra, T-bird, Jaguar, Ford GT etc).

Magnuson is Eaton's authorized aftermarket company. Magnuson uses Eaton rotor packs and makes their own generic style cases for them.

So, if you want the real deal, OEM units, you basically have to purchase the vehicle it comes in.....:bs:

[Power Surge]

Doesn't Magnusson also use Eaton cases?

No. They make their own cases.

[Power Surge]

So, if you want the real deal, OEM units, you basically have to purchase the vehicle it comes in.....:bs:

What I meant is... Eaton doesn't make generic cased versions of their blowers. If you want an M112, you can have one with a Lightning specific case, or a Cobra specific case. They don't make generic cases with the same bolt pattern and same inlet designs or anything like that. That's why Magnuson is the authorized aftermarket supplier. Magnuson makes the generic cases that most of the Eaton based blower companies use, and then they add their own adapter plate on the bottom and intake.

[RCSignals]

No. They make their own cases.

OK that makes sense. If you look at the chart on the Eaton performance page the only dimension variable they offer is in total length.

So for any instance of special application Magnusson would have to make a custom case.

[Drock96Marquis]

Sal speaketh the truth :P


Magnuson also does specialty nose drives, inlet elbows, etc.
They are Eaton's primary automotive aftermarket distributor, and are the only authorized re-manufacturer of Eaton Superchargers.



It's because he's Derek. He just knows these things lol.
:D




thanks Derek

So the TVS is basically it.
Sounds like the unit used on the new Shelby 500 is strictly OEM or one off, but what makes it 'new' is Eaton's TVS system.
Yes, TVS is where it's at in regards to roots-type supercharger technology. Right now, that s/c is only for the GT500, so unless you swapped in a 5.4l 4v don't expect to bolt one up in your MM anytime soon :biggrin:

Magnuson has just recently started selling the Radix technology blower for the automotoive aftermarket. Currently, it is the R112, which is the same size as the Eaton M112 in Lightning/Cobras (and Trilogy kits) - but with the new TVS technology. It is much more efficient, outperforming the M112. One of the best benefits is the major outlet heat reduction, which means more effective intercooling, easier tuning, and less chance of pre-detonation.

http://www.magnusonproducts.com/images/radix112draw.jpg

http://www.magnusonproducts.com/radix.htm

Care to make a new kit for the group, Sal? :D

[RCSignals]

Sal speaketh the truth :P


Magnuson also does specialty nose drives, inlet elbows, etc.
They are Eaton's primary automotive aftermarket distributor, and are the only authorized re-manufacturer of Eaton Superchargers.



:D




Yes, TVS is where it's at in regards to roots-type supercharger technology. Right now, that s/c is only for the GT500, so unless you swapped in a 5.4l 4v don't expect to bolt one up in your MM anytime soon :biggrin:

Magnuson has just recently started selling the Radix technology blower for the automotoive aftermarket. Currently, it is the R112, which is the same size as the Eaton M112 in Lightning/Cobras (and Trilogy kits) - but with the new TVS technology. It is much more efficient, outperforming the M112. One of the best benefits is the major outlet heat reduction, which means more effective intercooling, easier tuning, and less chance of pre-detonation.

http://www.magnusonproducts.com/images/radix112draw.jpg

http://www.magnusonproducts.com/radix.htm

Care to make a new kit for the group, Sal? :D

It looks like they use the 5th Generation Radix system on their Mustang 3v and F150 3v 'kits'

So it's becoming more common than just OEM on the new Shelby GT500 Mustang

[John F. Russo]

One thing to keep in mind, is that Eaton does not make generic blowers. They make OEM specific units (Lightning, Cobra, T-bird, Jaguar, Ford GT etc).

Magnuson is Eaton's authorized aftermarket company. Magnuson uses Eaton rotor packs and makes their own generic style cases for them.


Sal,

Impressive numbers from your car.

Do you you have a 4.6 liter engine with a Lighting supercharger?

Do you have a cast iron bottom? What boost are you running?

Did you use nitrous?

[Power Surge]

Sal,

Impressive numbers from your car.

Do you you have a 4.6 liter engine with a Lighting supercharger?

Do you have a cast iron bottom? What boost are you running?

Did you use nitrous?

It's a 5.4 Lightning motor, built of course. Iron block, stock forged crank, H-beam rods, CP pistons. Running about 22 psi, and no spray.

[John F. Russo]

It's a 5.4 Lightning motor, built of course. Iron block, stock forged crank, H-beam rods, CP pistons. Running about 22 psi, and no spray.



It is difficult to see in the second photo. Is your supercharger protruding through the hood of your car?

Otherwise not one person, as far as I can recall on this website, has said that a 5.4 liter engine can fit under our hood without altering the hood itself.

So what did you do if it fits under the hood?

[Drock96Marquis]

It sticks out of the hood, John.

[RCSignals]

It sticks out of the hood, John.

In a Mad Max Interceptor kinda way

[John F. Russo]

It sticks out of the hood, John.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the clarification.

[tt460]

IIRC, the GT500 uses the new M122H supercharger with "Radix" TVS ( Twin Vortices System) technology.

It is the latest blower setup from Eaton, enhancing upon the older Mxxx series.
Like the ones before it, it uses multi-lobed rotors with a helix/twist. The new TVS setup uses a much higher helix/twist, combined with 4 lobe rotors (prior used 3 lobe) and tighter clearances. Think of it like a combonation of a twin screw and a typical roots blower.
This means more air in a smaller package, with less heat.

Besides from a slight increase in volume (122 vs 112ci on 03-04 Cobra and Lightnings), the new technology will outperform it's predecessors (ie the M112)


Don't expect to sees these hit the aftermarket very soon. The Aftermarket/future TVS blowers will have the "Rxx" model designation.

While you are correct about the Eaton TVS Rxxx model designation, the GT500 blower IS NOT a TVS unit... It is an M122H "hybrid" supercharger that has higher twist 3-lobe rotors, but not to the extreme of the TVS units. The M122H does benefit from slightly higher efficiency over the M112 5th gen units. The larger displacement helps out too.

The TVS units are a whole different animal. They have totally different inlet and outlet port geometry that might make it harder for the after market companies from producing direct replacements. They would need to sell inlet and outlet adapters for each unit since they are shaped very differently from 5th gen units.

However, Roush now has in their performance catalog and has published in a few magazines that they are now selling a direct replacement TVS R2300 blower to upgrade the stock Eaton M122H blower on the Shelby GT500. The blower from Roush has the 4-lobe TVS rotating group that benefits from the higher efficiencies as shown on the eatonperformance.com site. They sell the RoushCharger R2300 as a 600HP factory warrantied kit, or you can nix the warranty and get up to 700HP with a different pulley and calibration. I suspect we will be hearing more about these in the very near future.

Note: I think some of the people here think that Magnuson's "Radix" designated superchargers are TVS units. They are not (at least not yet). Radix is a term they have been using for awhile on their 5th generation superchargers. Eaton is now producing 5th Gen, 5th Gen "Hybrid", and now TVS units with an "R" model designation (and displacement in cubic centimeters instead of cubic inches). TVS will certainly be the way of things to come as it is a superior blower compared to previous models. I hope this clears some things up.

[RCSignals]

While you are correct about the Eaton TVS Rxxx model designation, the GT500 blower IS NOT a TVS unit... It is an M122H "hybrid" supercharger that has higher twist 3-lobe rotors, but not to the extreme of the TVS units. The M122H does benefit from slightly higher efficiency over the M112 5th gen units. The larger displacement helps out too.

The TVS units are a whole different animal. They have totally different inlet and outlet port geometry that might make it harder for the after market companies from producing direct replacements. They would need to sell inlet and outlet adapters for each unit since they are shaped very differently from 5th gen units.

However, Roush now has in their performance catalog and has published in a few magazines that they are now selling a direct replacement TVS R2300 blower to upgrade the stock Eaton M122H blower on the Shelby GT500. The blower from Roush has the 4-lobe TVS rotating group that benefits from the higher efficiencies as shown on the eatonperformance.com site. They sell the RoushCharger R2300 as a 600HP factory warrantied kit, or you can nix the warranty and get up to 700HP with a different pulley and calibration. I suspect we will be hearing more about these in the very near future.

Note: I think some of the people here think that Magnuson's "Radix" designated superchargers are TVS units. They are not (at least not yet). Radix is a term they have been using for awhile on their 5th generation superchargers. Eaton is now producing 5th Gen, 5th Gen "Hybrid", and now TVS units with an "R" model designation (and displacement in cubic centimeters instead of cubic inches). TVS will certainly be the way of things to come as it is a superior blower compared to previous models. I hope this clears some things up.

Thank you. That does clear some things up.