104 Octane Boost

[crouse]

If you add a bottle of 104 Octane Boost to a full tank of 92 octane, what will your octane be now? 92.01? Anyone have any thoughts on this?

http://www.goldeagle.com/104plus/index.htm

[Breadfan]

Octane boost companies should be slapped on the wrist (or in the face) for the way they advertise their products. You are probably correct in your assumption above.

Read the back of a bottle of this snake juice, go past the fine print to the very fine print, and you'll note that the octane boost will be very limited.

Often times you'll see indicates "Raises Octane 4 points!" or something like that in big bold letters on the front.

What isn't big and bold, is the fact that the "4 points" is done on a variable before the R over M calculation for Octane. (I'm a bit rusty on it but used to know it.)

So once you do the math, it basically will raise octane a fraction of a point.

It may be better than 92.01 for a tank of 92 octane, but probably not much better than 92.5.

The sad part is people who think they can boost a tank of 91 to 94 or 95 octane. With many wanting to run 93 octane tunes with only 91 readliy available in their areas, these claims of 3-4 points higher octane mixed with a high-perf car with 93 octane tune could be quite harmful to a motor.

[crouse]

Good info, thanks. What about unleaded racing fuels? Can we use that or maybe a mix of 92 and racing gas? I remember reading a thread where someone filled up with racing fuel and had some problems?

[Breadfan]

Sure, unleaded race fuel should be fine. I know some who have mixed, and many go to the track with a tank of 93 but put a gallon or two or the 102 race fuel in just to add a bit more cushion. :)

I'm sure others can speak up who have done this but I believe it would work.

[merc]

The cost of unleaded race fuel is very high per gallon. I have paid between 5.00 and 8.50 per gallon for Cam 2. It's available in 110, 112, and 116. When racing I like to have 4-5 gallons of pumped gas and 2 of race fuel. It's just a security blanket for me. Leaded gas in hard on the cats and should never be used. :twocents:

[crouse]

My thought would be to have my SCT XCal-2 with a race tune that has a few degrees of timing advance and make sure that fuel is boosted a little to handle it.

[KillJoy]

I remember reading a thread where someone filled up with racing fuel and had some problems?

Uhhh....yeah. That was Motorhead350, and it was Kerosene, NOT Race Gas :rolleyes:

KillJoy

[RF Overlord]

^^^what Breadfan said^^^ Exactly.

OTC octane boosters are mostly worthless. I always used to wonder why adding one or sometimes two cans to my '68 Buick 350 never seemed to get rid of the pinging, and fouled the plugs something awful. I wish I hadn't wasted so much money buying the stuff. After joining BITOG, I found out that what they call a "point" is actually a TENTH of an octane number, so I was only raising the octane by less than one number, even with 2 cans. Save your money.

[Paul T. Casey]

The race gas deal will work. 2 gals of 110 plus 2 gals of 90 would yeild 100. I'd look toward a safer tune first, maybe a switch chip, or something like that.

[crouse]

I have an SCT XCal-2 tuner from Dennis Reinhart and I use SCT's Extreme Tune computer program to make changes. It will allow you to advance the timing by 2 degrees. I can store up to 3 tunes on the tuner, so my thought would be to take my current tune and add 2 degrees of timing and save it as my race tune then load that tune only when I'm going to race at a drag strip with race fuel in the tank. When the day is done, I'll switch back to the normal tune so no fear if blowing up the engine.

[ckadiddle]

I found the octane boost stuff actually made the MM run slightly worse. Never used it again.

[juno]

No, it is not all snake oil. Kenne Bell recommends NOS #12007 Off Road Octane Booster. They recommend 1 red can in 8-1/2 gallons of gas to raise octane 2.5 real points. They don't specify, but I am assuming they are starting with 91 as that is what they tune their kits for. If they say it, you can pretty much take it to the bank as they document more about our motors then anybody. Check out kennebell.net and look at some of the tech tips. Our motors will be under the 99-01 cobra/mach 1 info.
Note, I do not know where to buy it or how much it costs, but it may be a viable alternative if race or av gas is not available.

http://www.permatex.com/products/automotive/maintenance_performance/octane_boosters/NOS_Octane_Booster_Off-Road_Formula.htm

[MENINBLK]

Have any of you guys ever seen what Octane Boost does to a head ?
Try running a few tankfulls of it and then pull off your head.
The crud that builds up in the compression chamber is ridiculous.
Don't use it, it is NOT worth it AT ALL.

[Marauderjack]

No, it is not all snake oil. Kenne Bell recommends NOS #12007 Off Road Octane Booster. They recommend 1 red can in 8-1/2 gallons of gas to raise octane 2.5 real points. They don't specify, but I am assuming they are starting with 91 as that is what they tune their kits for. If they say it, you can pretty much take it to the bank as they document more about our motors then anybody. Check out kennebell.net and look at some of the tech tips. Our motors will be under the 99-01 cobra/mach 1 info.
Note, I do not know where to buy it or how much it costs, but it may be a viable alternative if race or av gas is not available.

http://www.permatex.com/products/automotive/maintenance_performance/octane_boosters/NOS_Octane_Booster_Off-Road_Formula.htm

Ahem......MSDS says it can be 75-100% KEROSINE.....See attachment!!:eek:

BIG TIME SNAKE OIL......

[gonzo50]

^^^what Breadfan said^^^ Exactly.

OTC octane boosters are mostly worthless. After joining BITOG, I found out that what they call a "point" is actually a TENTH of an octane number, so I was only raising the octane by less than one number, even with 2 cans. Save your money.

Is that the same with the fuel injector cleaners ???:confused:

[crouse]

Ahem......MSDS says it can be 75-100% KEROSINE.....See attachment!!:eek:

BIG TIME SNAKE OIL......

Maybe that's what Motorhead350 was trying to do by adding kerosine. I suppose with anything, too much can be bad.

[RF Overlord]

Is that the same with the fuel injector cleaners ???That depends. The $1.00 a bottle no-name 3-pak offerings from Wal-Mart etc are probably near worthless (although harmless), but the more respected ones such as Chevron's Techron, Gumout's Regane, and Seafoam are actually very useful and really do what they claim.

[Joe Walsh]

That depends. The $1.00 a bottle no-name 3-pak offerings from Wal-Mart etc are probably near worthless (although harmless), but the more respected ones such as Chevron's Techron, Gumout's Regane, and Seafoam are actually very useful and really do what they claim.

Both do work well, but will definitley LOWER the octane of your tank of gas that you add it into.

I always used the REGANE on my '85 Mustang GT to clean out the carbon and reduce detonation; but while I was burning that tank of gas+REGANE, it would run pretty crappy and ping more than usual.
Once I finished that tank and refueled it would run great with no pinging.

I've used SEAFOAM on two other vehicles, using the;
"1/2 can through the PCV valve.. let it heat soak for 30 minutes, fire it up and enjoy the AWESOME smoke screen and then put the remaining 1/2 can in the gas tank" method.
It cleans up the valves and combustion chambers pretty good!

[Joe Walsh]

The cost of unleaded race fuel is very high per gallon. I have paid between 5.00 and 8.50 per gallon for Cam 2. It's available in 110, 112, and 116. When racing I like to have 4-5 gallons of pumped gas and 2 of race fuel. It's just a security blanket for me. Leaded gas in hard on the cats and should never be used. :twocents:

Mark, Where do you buy the CAM 2 unleaded Race gas??

The ONLY place in my area with 'Race gas' is the Sunoco on Loch Raven Blvd.
It is 35 minutes from my house and only offers GT100, which is actually 98 octane unleaded, and costs $7.00 a gallon!!:eek:
I like to add 5 gallons of the Sunoco GT100 to about 5-8 gallons of 93 octane as a safety precaution while drag racing.
Sounds like you have a cheaper $$$ per octane option in Virginia...

[merc]

Mark, Where do you buy the CAM 2 unleaded Race gas??

The ONLY place in my area with 'Race gas' is the Sunoco on Loch Raven Blvd.
It is 35 minutes from my house and only offers GT100, which is actually 98 octane unleaded, and costs $7.00 a gallon!!:eek:
I like to add 5 gallons of the Sunoco GT100 to about 5-8 gallons of 93 octane as a safety precaution while drag racing.
Sounds like you have a cheaper $$$ per octane option in Virginia...
Joe have you checked out these locations.

Valentin's Loch Raven Sunoco
8000 Loch Raven Blvd.
Towson, MD 21286
(410) 337-3851

HOB'S
7115 North Point Road
Baltimore, MD 21219
(410) 477-8805

I usually purchase Race Fuel at Mason Dixon and in Richmond.

Most of the time I get VP Race Fuels at a local speed shop in Manassas (C&C racing)

VP-113
A technological breakthrough offering price competitive power gains, VP113 is oxygenated to street gas levels with application in drag racing, circle track, road racing – virtually anything that moves. Makes up to 2% more power than competitive 110-114 octane fuels, with gains of 3-4% in engine applications with poor or marginal fuel vaporization qualities.

[superford3]

in my mustang i used to run 100 octane at 3.69 a gallon but now most places changed over to e85 where it was once sold

[BirchMarauder]

Cam2 and GT100 are the same. its basically aviation gas without the lead. it is 100 octane. I deliver fuel for a living. the stuff you buy in the bottle at the auto parts store is a concentrated form yet with the small amount you get in the bottle, it probably only raises it 1 octane point if that. if you use the ration 65/35 (87/93) you get a 2 point boost (which makes 89 octane). this ratio would be the same if you use 93 and 100 octane. anyway, I'm just rambling on. thought I'd throw this at you guys.