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scottyru98
04-19-2007, 12:52 PM
Hello All.....

What criteria in the VIN # determines an 03 / 04 MM? Any input is greatly appreciated.

Thanks....

Scott
crouse
04-19-2007, 12:55 PM
Example of a 2004 VIN. I believe it's the 7th position. 2MEHM79V94X611407

A 2003 would have a 5 in this location.
rkk
04-19-2007, 02:16 PM
Using crouse's example
2MEHM79V94X611407

The 4 indicates 2004.
If there is a 3 there, it is a 2003.
crouse
04-19-2007, 02:18 PM
Oops. Sorry.
larryo340
04-19-2007, 05:16 PM
here is my :twocents: The 8th digit denotes the engine the "V" is 4.6l dohc, in GM is is a "W" which obviously is a 4.6 sohc
If anybody cares:
P71 is for police interceptor
M74 is a GM GS model
M75 is a GM LS model
so I'm guessing here
M79 = Marauder ??
JMan
04-20-2007, 01:54 AM
here is my :twocents: The 8th digit denotes the engine the "V" is 4.6l dohc, in GM is is a "W" which obviously is a 4.6 sohc
If anybody cares:
P71 is for police interceptor
M74 is a GM GS model
M75 is a GM LS model
so I'm guessing here
M79 = Marauder ??

M79 is the '04 designation only. '03's were M75's as well. Eighth character is the engine and tenth character is the model year.

J
cyclopsram
04-20-2007, 04:19 AM
Yup... the 03s used the generic M75 LS model # and the 04s got their own M79 model #... the X before the sequence #600000 tells you that it was built at St Thomas Assy Plant There were 300A and 300B in 2003 and all 2004s are 300A for US sales and all Canadian 2003s were 300B. and that is enough numbers for now.....
larryo340
04-20-2007, 04:33 AM
M79 is the '04 designation only. '03's were M75's as well. Eighth character is the engine and tenth character is the model year.

J
So in other words if I got a '03 the insurance company thinks its a GM:)
Paul T. Casey
04-20-2007, 05:08 AM
So in other words if I got a '03 the insurance company thinks its a GM:)

No. They know all.
knine
04-20-2007, 05:15 AM
No. They know all.
They have access to all. My agent's secretary asked what a "Meower" was.:cat:
MM03MOK
04-20-2007, 05:55 AM
So in other words if I got a '03 the insurance company thinks its a GM:)
My registration card show "Grand Ma" - AMICA.
JMan
04-20-2007, 06:05 AM
My registration card show "Grand Ma" - AMICA.

Mine does too - for the Marquis! The MM says MARAUDER in bold print. We need an insurer as a vendor with group buys . . .

J
Bluerauder
04-20-2007, 06:51 AM
So in other words if I got a '03 the insurance company thinks its a GM:)
My insurance says " '03 Mercury Marauder" -- USAA knows !!! :D
The 7-8 digit code that they use internally to categorize the car-driver combo says "high performance".

I assume they are referring ^^^ to the car. :rofl:
Vortex
04-20-2007, 07:52 AM
The old bloop gun eh?
SC Cheesehead
04-20-2007, 11:12 AM
M79 is the '04 designation only. '03's were M75's as well. Eighth character is the engine and tenth character is the model year.

J

JMan,

Do you know what VIN characters denote color? Have always been curious about that.

SCCH
STLR FN
04-20-2007, 11:19 AM
JMan,

Do you know what VIN characters denote color? Have always been curious about that.

SCCHNone

1<SUP>st</SUP> character- Identifies the country in which the vehicle was manufactured.
For example: U.S.A.(1or4), Canada(2), Mexico(3), Japan(J), Korea(K), England(S), Germany(W), Italy(Z)

2<SUP>nd</SUP> character- Identifies the manufacturer. For example; Audi(A),
BMW(B), Buick(4), Cadillac(6), Chevrolet(1), Chrysler(C), Dodge(B),
Ford(F), GM Canada(7), General Motors(G), Honda(H), Jaquar(A), Lincoln(L), Mercedes Benz(D), Mercury(M), Nissan(N), Oldsmobile(3), Pontiac(2or5), Plymouth(P), Saturn(8), Toyota(T), VW(V), Volvo(V).

3<SUP>rd</SUP> character- Identifies vehicle type or manufacturing division.

4<SUP>th</SUP> to 8<SUP>th</SUP> characters- Identifies vehicle features such as body style, engine type, model, series, etc.

9<SUP>th</SUP> character- Identifies VIN accuracy as check digit.

10<SUP>th</SUP> character- Identifies the model year. For example: 1988(J), 1989(K), 1990(L), 1991(M), 1992(N), 1993(P), 1994(R), 1995(S), 1996(T),
1997(V), 1998(W), 1999(X), 2000(Y)------2001(1), 2002(2), 2003(3)

11<SUP>th</SUP> character- Identifies the assembly plant for the vehicle.

12<SUP>th</SUP> to 17<SUP>th</SUP> characters- Identifies the sequence of the vehicle for production
as it rolled of the manufacturers assembly line.In the VIN posted:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/vinResults.asp

<TABLE class=content cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=770 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width=10></TD><!-- START CONTENT AREA--><TD vAlign=top width=490><!-- START MAIN LINKS --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=490 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=right>https://www.fleet.ford.com/images/imgs/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>https://www.fleet.ford.com/images/imgs/spacer.gif</TD><TD>https://www.fleet.ford.com/images/imgs/icon_printer.gif</TD><TD class=textsmall>Print This Page (javascript:printIt()</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD align=right>https://www.fleet.ford.com/images/imgs/spacer.gif</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- END MAIN LINKS --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width=480 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=pageTitle>VIN Results</TD><TD align=right>New Search (https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/default.asp)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE borderColor=#cccccc cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=pagehead1>VIN: 2MEHM79V94X611407
</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE id=tablegeneral cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=1><!-- Section for positions 1 thru 3 --><TBODY><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>World Manufacturer Identifier - 1st, 2nd, 3rd Positions </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>2ME</TD></TR><TR><TD>Assembly Country:</TD><TD>Canada </TD></TR><TR><TD>Make:</TD><TD>Mercury </TD></TR><TR><TD>Body Style:</TD><TD>Sedan </TD></TR><!-- Section for position 4 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Restraint System Type (Passenger Cars) or Brake Type and GVWR Class (Trucks and Vans) - 4th Position </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>H</TD></TR><TR><TD>Restraint:</TD><TD>BELT, ACTIVE, AIRBAG </TD></TR><!-- Section for positions 5 thru 7 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Line,Series Body Type - 5th, 6th, 7th Positions </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>M79</TD></TR><TR><TD>Vehicle Line:</TD><TD>Marauder </TD></TR><TR><TD>Vehicle Type:</TD><TD>Car/Minivan </TD></TR><!-- Section for position 8 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Engine Type - 8th Position </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>V</TD></TR><TR><TD>Engine:</TD><TD>4.6 L </TD></TR><TR><TD>Cylinders:</TD><TD>8 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Fuel:</TD><TD>Gasoline </TD></TR><TR><TD>Horsepower:</TD><TD>302 HORSEPOWER </TD></TR><!-- Section for position 10 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Model Year - 10th Position </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>4</TD></TR><TR><TD>Model Year:</TD><TD>2004 </TD></TR><!-- Section for position 11 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Assembly Plant - 11th Position </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>X</TD></TR><TR><TD>Assembly Plant:</TD><TD>ST. THOMAS: TALBOTVILLE, ONTARIO, CANADA </TD></TR><!-- Section for positions 12 thru 17 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Production Sequence Number - 12th - 17th </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>611407</TD></TR><TR><TD>Prod Sequence Number</TD><TD>611407 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
knine
04-21-2007, 04:54 AM
My registration card show "Grand Ma" - AMICA.
Uh, Bunny, that was your birthday card, not registration card. It says "Happy Birthday GRAND MA" :eek:

Damn. Banned after only 3 months. :banned: Nice knowing 'ya guys !:wave:
(p.s, I know the new guy joining, his name is knine-2;) )
Mike
04-21-2007, 06:14 AM
None

1<SUP>st</SUP> character- Identifies the country in which the vehicle was manufactured.
For example: U.S.A.(1or4), Canada(2), Mexico(3), Japan(J), Korea(K), England(S), Germany(W), Italy(Z)
2<SUP>nd</SUP> character- Identifies the manufacturer. For example; Audi(A),
BMW(B), Buick(4), Cadillac(6), Chevrolet(1), Chrysler(C), Dodge(B),
Ford(F), GM Canada(7), General Motors(G), Honda(H), Jaquar(A), Lincoln(L), Mercedes Benz(D), Mercury(M), Nissan(N), Oldsmobile(3), Pontiac(2or5), Plymouth(P), Saturn(8), Toyota(T), VW(V), Volvo(V).
3<SUP>rd</SUP> character- Identifies vehicle type or manufacturing division.
4<SUP>th</SUP> to 8<SUP>th</SUP> characters- Identifies vehicle features such as body style, engine type, model, series, etc.
9<SUP>th</SUP> character- Identifies VIN accuracy as check digit.
10<SUP>th</SUP> character- Identifies the model year. For example: 1988(J), 1989(K), 1990(L), 1991(M), 1992(N), 1993(P), 1994(R), 1995(S), 1996(T),
1997(V), 1998(W), 1999(X), 2000(Y)------2001(1), 2002(2), 2003(3)
11<SUP>th</SUP> character- Identifies the assembly plant for the vehicle.
12<SUP>th</SUP> to 17<SUP>th</SUP> characters- Identifies the sequence of the vehicle for production
as it rolled of the manufacturers assembly line.In the VIN posted:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/vinResults.asp

<TABLE class=content cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=770 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width=10></TD><!-- START CONTENT AREA--><TD vAlign=top width=490><!-- START MAIN LINKS --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=490 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=right>https://www.fleet.ford.com/images/imgs/spacer.gif</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>https://www.fleet.ford.com/images/imgs/spacer.gif</TD><TD>https://www.fleet.ford.com/images/imgs/icon_printer.gif</TD><TD class=textsmall>Print This Page (http://javascript<b></b>:printIt()</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD align=right>https://www.fleet.ford.com/images/imgs/spacer.gif</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- END MAIN LINKS --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width=480 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=pageTitle>VIN Results</TD><TD align=right>New Search (https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/default.asp)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE borderColor=#cccccc cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=pagehead1>VIN: 2MEHM79V94X611407


</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE id=tablegeneral cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=1><!-- Section for positions 1 thru 3 --><TBODY><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>World Manufacturer Identifier - 1st, 2nd, 3rd Positions </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>2ME</TD></TR><TR><TD>Assembly Country:</TD><TD>Canada </TD></TR><TR><TD>Make:</TD><TD>Mercury </TD></TR><TR><TD>Body Style:</TD><TD>Sedan </TD></TR><!-- Section for position 4 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Restraint System Type (Passenger Cars) or Brake Type and GVWR Class (Trucks and Vans) - 4th Position </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>H</TD></TR><TR><TD>Restraint:</TD><TD>BELT, ACTIVE, AIRBAG </TD></TR><!-- Section for positions 5 thru 7 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Line,Series Body Type - 5th, 6th, 7th Positions </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>M79</TD></TR><TR><TD>Vehicle Line:</TD><TD>Marauder </TD></TR><TR><TD>Vehicle Type:</TD><TD>Car/Minivan </TD></TR><!-- Section for position 8 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Engine Type - 8th Position </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>V</TD></TR><TR><TD>Engine:</TD><TD>4.6 L </TD></TR><TR><TD>Cylinders:</TD><TD>8 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Fuel:</TD><TD>Gasoline </TD></TR><TR><TD>Horsepower:</TD><TD>302 HORSEPOWER </TD></TR><!-- Section for position 10 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Model Year - 10th Position </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>4</TD></TR><TR><TD>Model Year:</TD><TD>2004 </TD></TR><!-- Section for position 11 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Assembly Plant - 11th Position </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>X</TD></TR><TR><TD>Assembly Plant:</TD><TD>ST. THOMAS: TALBOTVILLE, ONTARIO, CANADA </TD></TR><!-- Section for positions 12 thru 17 --><TR bgColor=#cccccc><TH colSpan=2>Production Sequence Number - 12th - 17th </TH></TR><TR><TD>VIN Code:</TD><TD>611407</TD></TR><TR><TD>Prod Sequence Number</TD><TD>611407 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

:2thumbs: :beer:
SC Cheesehead
04-21-2007, 07:05 AM
Uh, Bunny, that was your birthday card, not registration card. It says "Happy Birthday GRAND MA" :eek:

Damn. Banned after only 3 months. :banned: Nice knowing 'ya guys !:wave:
(p.s, I know the new guy joining, his name is knine-2;) )


Now that right there is funny! :D

SCCH
knine
04-22-2007, 07:30 PM
:bunny: Bunny's still plotting her revenge :bricks: ..........I'm in hiding.:hide:
knine
05-02-2007, 11:26 AM
Ohh, this was fun today. Spent 40+ minutes on the phone with FORD trying to convince them that my vin is a Marauder, not a Marquis. Wheeeeeeeee. Why is it the Insurance company can get it right, but.......

Looks like I'm a Grand Ma too, Bunny. :eek:

Advise / comments from FoMoCo so far: It's not a Marauder. We didn't build it. Call the regular number again. "I handled this yesterday, did you call yesterday?"-to which I answered "I'm was STILL on hold".
Aren Jay
05-03-2007, 11:24 AM
So If I bought a Silver Marauder and painted it DTR you wouldn't know that it was not DTR all the time?

Or is there a registry somewhere, Ford archive that would say which was DTR and which was silver originally?
knine
05-03-2007, 03:37 PM
FORD APPARENTLY DOESN'T KNOW THEIR A** FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND. The "engineer" called it a "really nice Grand Marquis". Again, I see why American Car companies are failing.