Motor trashed at 34K and Very Unhappy!!! Now what??

[bigal614]

Well it doesn't seem like Ford wants to help at all so the next Big diesel truck I buy Won't be a Ford!! But since I love this car and need to wait until my GN is done, what motor/engine setup can I go back with without any or too many mods? factory 4.6 supercharged, 5.4, etc? I WON'T be buying one from Ford, I'd rather give someone else the $$$$$!!!! I might as well try to get more HP if I have to, that is without spending too much money on it!! I NEVER expected to have to drop 4 or 5K on a 34K car/motor!! Never been to the track I might add.

[Zack]

Buy a used engine for about 2k and put it in. Done.
I have an ebay engine in one of mine with no problems.
www.karkraft.com
www.car-part.com

[Zack]

Sell the heads on a Mustang site and recoup 800-1000 dollars.
Sell the lower intake for about 100-300 dollars on a Mustang site.

[Zack]

Where are you located?

[bigal614]

I'm in Savannah, Ga which is about 2 hrs north of Jacksonville, FL but my mech told me that the heads would be all scarred up from no oil pressure? Would they still be a desire for someone?

[Zack]

I think your Mechanic wants the heads for himself.
Make sure you take them.

[FordNut]

I know where you can get a good engine/tranny for about $3500 in the Atlanta area. Low miles. Then sell the tranny, your old heads, your old intake manifold and you'll have about $2500 in the parts to get your car back on the road.

And your failure isn't Ford's fault so they aren't going to eat the cost. It's due to the underdrive pulleys. You're not the first to experience it.

[Pops]

What does the underdrive pulleys have to do with it? Do they create a internal problem with the engine?

[Rider90]

What does the underdrive pulleys have to do with it? Do they create a internal problem with the engine?

IIRC, it has to due with creating a misbalance issue and eating up the gears in the oil pump? Shot in the dark there, it's been awhile for me.

[bigal614]

Well ANY help would Greatly be appreciated!!! Are there any other engine options that I can check on? such as a SC SVT motor, etc.?

How about the motor/tranny in Atlanta?

And what Underdrives if any should I go back with?

[Krytin]

What does the underdrive pulleys have to do with it? Do they create a internal problem with the engine?
While I'm not 100% sure - I believe the installation of the undrive lower pulley/damper may be the problem.

[Zack]

Its the LACK of Harmonic Balancer that rattles the gears apart.

[MM03MOK]

Its the LACK of Harmonic Balancer that rattles the gears apart.
And MAD3R will tell you all about that, unfortunately.

[Dragcity]

Holy Shist! I'm glad I never put my UD pulleys on.

I guess it will make an expensive paperweight now....

[Raudermaster]

Yea, seriously! I was going to buy a set in a month or two, and now I will NEVER put UD's on. That sucks though man about your engine. I'm sure you'll find a better one.

[Zack]

Any underdrive pulley set sold since 2004 and up is fine.
Its the first sets that caused problems cause of misprinted instructions or something to that effect.

[juno]

I am looking for a set of heads to rebuild.

[Zack]

I am looking for a set of heads to rebuild.

TooManyFords has a set.

[RCSignals]

Well it doesn't seem like Ford wants to help at all so the next Big diesel truck I buy Won't be a Ford!! But since I love this car and need to wait until my GN is done, what motor/engine setup can I go back with without any or too many mods? factory 4.6 supercharged, 5.4, etc? I WON'T be buying one from Ford, I'd rather give someone else the $$$$$!!!! I might as well try to get more HP if I have to, that is without spending too much money on it!! I NEVER expected to have to drop 4 or 5K on a 34K car/motor!! Never been to the track I might add.



What does it have to do with a Diesel?
Ford's new Diesels are impressive, and far ahead of the rest.

[Shora]

What does it have to do with a Diesel?
Ford's new Diesels are impressive, and far ahead of the rest.

It has to do with the fact that he doesn't want to give any further profits to Ford. The diesels are VERY profitable for all of the big 3 and he wants to spend the money with a company that will stand by him when things go wrong.

I would have agreed with him had he not modded his engine.

Will GM/ Dodge stand by him after he mods his engine? I doubt it.

[RCSignals]

It has to do with the fact that he doesn't want to give any further profits to Ford. The diesels are VERY profitable for all of the big 3 and he wants to spend the money with a company that will stand by him when things go wrong.

I would have agreed with him had he not modded his engine.

Will GM/ Dodge stand by him after he mods his engine? I doubt it.

that was exactly my point. This was not Ford's fault.

GM an Chrysler would take the same stand

[Dragcity]

So, is the concensus that the Steeda pulleys are O.K., or are we suggesting no UD pulleys on these finely balanced 4.6's?

[RF Overlord]

Holy Shist! I'm glad I never put my UD pulleys on.
I guess it will make an expensive paperweight now....


Yea, seriously! I was going to buy a set in a month or two, and now I will NEVER put UD's on.
If you have the Steeda pulleys with the one-piece dampener, there is no risk in using them. The problems were with March pulleys that had a 2-piece lower pulley. The instructions were apparently ambiguous and some people inadvertently left one piece off. That is what caused the problem.

[Pops]

I have the Steeda and thats the answer I have been waiting for. Thanks!!!!!!

[fastblackmerc]

Would it be worth it to go with steel oil pump gears instead of the powdered metal ones if running UD pulleys?

[Zack]

Would it be worth it to go with steel oil pump gears instead of the powdered metal ones if running UD pulleys?

Nope!
PM oil pump gears break due to detonation, but mainly due to harsh shifts in a high horsepower stick shift car.

[Dragcity]

I have the Steeda and thats the answer I have been waiting for. Thanks!!!!!!


So, have you been peein' your pants????

BigAl, I am really sorry you are going through all this. Are you in New YorK??

[Pops]

Drag City you got it right!!! Made me worry about the way I drive.

[Dragcity]

Drag City you got it right!!! Made me worry about the way I drive.


SIDEWAYS - with all this fookin' rain...

[bigal614]

What does it have to do with a Diesel?
Ford's new Diesels are impressive, and far ahead of the rest.

It's not an issue with the new diesel, it's an issue with Ford! FYI, they are having trouble with the low speed turbo's on the new diesels. Just mad because they won't even talk to me because my car is an 03 with 34K on it, thats Not customer service as far as I'm concerned!

[bigal614]

It has to do with the fact that he doesn't want to give any further profits to Ford. The diesels are VERY profitable for all of the big 3 and he wants to spend the money with a company that will stand by him when things go wrong.

I would have agreed with him had he not modded his engine.

Will GM/ Dodge stand by him after he mods his engine? I doubt it.

Correct, but I bought this car with this setup and how many of MM owners actually knew about the pulleys causing a complete engine failure? I have put 11K on it over the 19 months that I've owned it and take care of my stuff!!

I have a 2000 4X4 Diesel Excursion with 15K in accecories and an 86 GN that is almost finshed with a complete resto. I am VERY funny about my cars!! I didn't SC this car because I didn't want to lose any drivablity, never would have thought an UD pulley would have done it!

[bigal614]

that was exactly my point. This was not Ford's fault.

GM an Chrysler would take the same stand

Not the point at all!! Ford NEVER went far enough with it to find out if the car had any mods at all, they flat out told me NO!!!!

I have a 5K paint job on this car.

[bigal614]

So, have you been peein' your pants????

BigAl, I am really sorry you are going through all this. Are you in New YorK??

Thanx Joe! I'm in Savannah, Ga. Bought the car from New York State with 23K on it in Sept of 05.

[KillJoy]

I kind of agree.

Ford should not have completely blown you off. However, it is 4K OUT of warranty, and how many months?

That DOES NOT make good business sense for the here in now.

However, it DOES hurt future sales. ;)

KillJoy

[bigal614]

I kind of agree.

Ford should not have completely blown you off. However, it is 4K OUT of warranty, and how many months?

That DOES NOT make good business sense for the here in now.

However, it DOES hurt future sales. ;)

KillJoy

I didn't expect them to cover the whole cost but they said no, period!

Also, let me say again, miles when when it broke and towed in are 33,986. I'm being faulted because this is my 2nd car and don't wish to use it as an everyday car, if this would have happened within the time with the same mileage they would fix it, just doesn't make sense to me? Oh well.

[dwasson]

Correct, but I bought this car with this setup and how many of MM owners actually knew about the pulleys causing a complete engine failure?

It wasn't a Ford part and you didn't buy it from Ford. I can't see where it is their responsibility.

And ask anybody, I'm hard on Ford for stuff that is their fault.

[larryo340]

I didn't expect them to cover the whole cost but they said no, period!

Also, let me say again, miles when when it broke and towed in are 33,986. I'm being faulted because this is my 2nd car and don't wish to use it as an everyday car, if this would have happened within the time with the same mileage they would fix it, just doesn't make sense to me? Oh well.

But how much time out of the 36 months? Did you have any relationship with this dealer for any work warranty or paid labor?

Dealers use all this as per FORD guidelines to establish AWA (after warranty adjustment)

I know it sucks but they can't give repairs indefinetely under warranty:(

[sailsmen]

The March UD people ignored the instructions and did not put the OEM balancer back on.

Some even said it is internally balanced and does not need it. Others said it was too heavy.

I had the Steeda for 42K, then went S/C.

Take Zacks advice.

[superford3]

from what ive seen and gatthered ,ud pullies are a waste of money and dont do a whole lot for the buck ,find hp some where else ,it suck to hear your motor is bad,if it was me id buy a 03-04 cobra long block that way it will be forged and strong

[sailsmen]

The OEM engine is strong

I have over 40K S/C miles and 38K N/A modified miles w/ 170 runs down the 1,320.

One member has 150K miles and 300 runs down the 1,320'.

Many members have S/C over 50K miles.

No engine no matter how it is built will hold up to no balancer, just look at what happened to the John Force F/C driver.

[RCSignals]

I didn't expect them to cover the whole cost but they said no, period!

Also, let me say again, miles when when it broke and towed in are 33,986. I'm being faulted because this is my 2nd car and don't wish to use it as an everyday car, if this would have happened within the time with the same mileage they would fix it, just doesn't make sense to me? Oh well.

Ford said no, or the dealer said no?

Doesn't really matter, because when the find the U/D pulleys, it's over.

Dealer service managers now have more authority than they once did. I'm told that once the warranties were exended, service managers could at their disgression apply a 5 year/60K rule of coverage to the previous 3 year covered vehicles.

That is pretty good.

Unless you could have changed back to stock pulleys first though, you are out of luck. the failure isn't a ford fault.

[RCSignals]

It wasn't a Ford part and you didn't buy it from Ford. I can't see where it is their responsibility.

And ask anybody, I'm hard on Ford for stuff that is their fault.

This is a fact

[Blackened300a]

from what ive seen and gatthered ,ud pullies are a waste of money and dont do a whole lot for the buck

U/D Pullies put me 10 RWHP ahead of a 04 Marauder that was dynoed with a PHP Air box.
I have over 25K trouble free miles with the pullies and this was my very first mod. I feel its the way they are installed that causes the long term problems.

[94_302]

A modification that is not oem that causes the failure is not Fords responsibility. Good luck finding a manufacturer who will warranty a failure that was caused by a part that is not oem.

As far as udp, look here and see what you think.
http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/search.php?searchid=1121794

[bigal614]

Ok guys, I get the point and see where your coming from, aftermarket parts parts aren't the dealers/mfg's fault as I have well known that now try to understand my point. For one, I was NOT aware of the reason for the failure until all of your postings. Would ANY of you be happy that your 34K Non beaten car/engine went crapola on you especially when you had no idea why? Ford Never went far enough to find out why the motor went Klapluy, they said no way right off the bat which doesn't show me "any" customer service on their part! Maybe GM or Dodge wouldn't have either but I know Ford didn't! All cars break, we all know that, but would you expect a 34K car thats run Syn oil to break? Most of the miles that I put on the car were hwy miles under 3K rpm as well.

[Dragcity]

That is indeed a good point, that the Dealer/Ford would not even speak with you and just shut you down. That's sad.

I (think) most Ford/Mercury/Lincoln dealers have a program that can assist in major Out-of-warrenty repairs, such as what happened with my Wife's Sable last month. Although it was 1 year out of warrenty (only 33,000 mi on it) the dealer did help by covering labor, and replaced two front springs and the tire for $165.

I did purchase both my cars from this dealer, and have had all service/maintenance work done there. When my rear shock went out last week (My Marausder is now our of warrenty) the Service writer advised I did not use up my "assistance" on such a cheap and easy repair.

Advise taken.

As for this scenario, what a bind... The Service folks should have been more sympathetic and helpful than just a flat "No - get the hell out" Certainly not a good way to EARN customers, which is the point here, I think....

[larryo340]

But how much time out of the 36 months? Did you have any relationship with this dealer for any work warranty or paid labor?

Dealers use all this as per FORD guidelines to establish AWA (after warranty adjustment)

I know it sucks but they can't give repairs indefinetely under warranty:(
Was this the first service visit to dealer?

In FORD's eyes that means alot, plus they do not like to assist second owner

[bigal614]

I'm the 2nd owner and allllllllready know that ford isn't going to do anything to help me. I'm just mad about losing a motor at 34K. I am moving on and need to know ALL of my options so any opinions would Greatly be appreciated!

[Dragcity]

Did you get the engine apart yet? Is is so bad it can't be rebuilt. I know aluminum is not as forgiving as iron.....

I know on occasion, a wrecked Marauder comes up with an engine available. You could see if there are any available...

Does a Grand Marquis have the same bottom end as ours???? If so, you may be able to have your heads freshened up and install them on the new block.

There has got to be a surplus of castings out there somewhere. What a lot of work. Not like a Circa 1965 390 FE rebuild....

I feel really bad for you, having an engine give up its ghost so early....

[bigal614]

Thank you Joe, I Very much appreciate that! I am going to start a new post to ask for my options with this.

[bigal614]

Ok guys, As you well know my motor is trashed at 34K with noise coming from the bottom end because of no oil pressure.

What are my options with my motor? What other engine options do I have? such as, will a Cobra SVT motor work in our cars? etc. Depending on the cost and only because I never expected to have to do this at 34K I just may want to buy/build a Good Strong Fast motor! All while I'm trying to finish my GN:mad2: LOL.

Any and all help/opinions will be appreciated!!! Thank you.........Al

[bigal614]

Engine is not out of the car yet.

[KillJoy]

Engine is not out of the car yet.


Where are you located?

KillJoy

[Breadfan]

An SVT Cobra motor would work but you'll need a blower and extra boost to make up for the lower compression and heavier iron block. Also anything with a forged crank will probably be an 8 bolt crank vs the stock 6 bolt so you'll need an 8 bolt flexplate I believe the F150 one works.

Otherwise you can look around for a used motor which is the quickest replacement, or see if yours is rebuildable and have it built up.

[bigal614]

Savannah, GA which is 2hrs North of Jacksonville, Fl.

[Raudermaster]

Ok guys, I get the point and see where your coming from, aftermarket parts parts aren't the dealers/mfg's fault as I have well known that now try to understand my point. For one, I was NOT aware of the reason for the failure until all of your postings. Would ANY of you be happy that your 34K Non beaten car/engine went crapola on you especially when you had no idea why? Ford Never went far enough to find out why the motor went Klapluy, they said no way right off the bat which doesn't show me "any" customer service on their part! Maybe GM or Dodge wouldn't have either but I know Ford didn't! All cars break, we all know that, but would you expect a 34K car thats run Syn oil to break? Most of the miles that I put on the car were hwy miles under 3K rpm as well.

We understand and feel for you. My car has only 22k on it, and trust me I would be BS if my engine blew up. But you gotta understand, even IF Ford went through the car, as stated before, once they found those pulley's, they would have re-assembled it, and said, "Have a nice day."

[Raudermaster]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/96-01-Cobra-Engine-Motor-Block-8-Bolt-Steel-Crank-Heads_W0QQitemZ190105019637QQi hZ009QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem'9 8-'01 Cobra engine

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4-6-4340-Forged-Engine-Kit-Ford-MUSTANG-COBRA-TMD_W0QQitemZ180108155353QQihZ 008QQcategoryZ33620QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Here's a nice 4.6l 4v Forged engine kit

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-2004-Mercury-Marauder-4-6-Engine-under-45k_W0QQitemZ320051778522QQihZ 011QQcategoryZ33615QQrdZ1QQssP ageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
:shake: :confused: I'm confused, this says it's a MM engine, notice the beauty cover that MM's didn't come with, not to mention the intake is on the wrong side? I didn't think 'Stangs came with beauty covers?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4-6L-DOHC-Engine-Lincoln-Mark-8-or-Mustang-SVT-1993_W0QQitemZ120111937644QQih Z002QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[bigal614]

Yes, I realize and understand that but we really still don't know what caused it until the motor comes apart, what if it wasn't due to the pulleys? And my Mech at the Ford dealer would have covered me on the pulley situation if it had ever gone that far.

[Raudermaster]

So, go get it taken out and pull it apart and go from there.

[bigal614]

In the process now my friend.

[Raudermaster]

Good, I hope all goes well and keep us updated.

[Dragcity]

"Todd" has a long block he wants to know 'what to do whith' in another thread.....

[FordNut]

We understand and feel for you. My car has only 22k on it, and trust me I would be BS if my engine blew up. But you gotta understand, even IF Ford went through the car, as stated before, once they found those pulley's, they would have re-assembled it, and said, "Have a nice day."

Probably wouldn't re-assemble it, and they would say "not a warranty job". Then give you a bill for the disassembly/diagnosis labor.

[Raudermaster]

lol, you're probably right Brian.

[RCSignals]

So it is only the dealer so far that has said NO?

Ford isn't in the picture yet?

[bigal614]

Not yet, but they will be Monday! Don't have time until then.

[RCSignals]

good luck with Ford.

Not yet, but they will be Monday! Don't have time until then.

OK then, good luck with Ford

If you can you might want to look into changing the car back to stock pullies before Ford or anyone else looks at it

[bigal614]

I know that needs to be done! I may also bribe the SM to push this through?

[bigal614]

Hey guys, Question for ya. How many miles could be put on a set of UD pulleys before causing this failure? 1000, 10,000, 100,000? The guys that are running them now may want to know this and get them off before this happens to them.

[RF Overlord]

The guys that are running them now may want to know this and get them off before this happens to them.As I said way back in post #23, unless someone is running the old-style BBK 2-piece pulleys (and only if they were installed wrong), there is NO reason to be concerned.

[RCSignals]

Don't know what brand od U/D pullies you have, but the point is if ford sees them it gives them a reason to deny service of the failed parts

[PSG]

If you looking to do some swapping over of parts, and your heads are ok, believe it or not the interchange lists the 03 04 v8 ford explorer and mountaineer as the same short block.And there alot easier to find.and alot cheaper.

[Raudermaster]

Any updates on this?

[RCSignals]

If you looking to do some swapping over of parts, and your heads are ok, believe it or not the interchange lists the 03 04 v8 ford explorer and mountaineer as the same short block.And there alot easier to find.and alot cheaper.

those are aluminum blocks?

[bigal614]

I had someone tell me to go with an 03 Mach 1 crate motor? The pulleys came from Dennis at Reinhart, it was a whole chip, pulley, etc package that he offered at the time I guess and once again the SM at the dealer Never went far enough to look at my car, he just said Sorry your SOL.

[Raudermaster]

Hmmm, ask Dennis for something.... J/K lol. A Mach 1 crate would be nice, with a nice Manual tranny attached to it...Screw it, just get the 5.0 Cammer.

[bigal614]

I was told that all I would need to do is swap intakes and engine harness and it's a direct bolt in from there with forged guts.

[PSG]

Yeah the explorer engines are aluminium, as for the Mach 1 motor, the interchange book doesn't show that as a match, and I ran into a problem with an engine swap in a cobra a while back, the end of the crank is different from an automatic to a stick, you deffinetly can't use an auto motor in a stick, but I don't know about the other way around.

[PSG]

Lincoln mark 8 motors are also aluminum, and I know were there is a couple of those short blocks NOS but I havent been able to confirm if they are compatible or not

[bigal614]

I also was told that all you have to do is change out the flywheel to an 8 bolt from the 6 bolt?

[PSG]

when i tried to do that cobra the end of the crank on the auto motor was machined different, it wasn't cut to take the pilot bearing, and i think the size of the hole in the center was different on the two flywheels, but like i said , I was trying to go from auto to stick, you would be going the other way

[Matt Johnson]

my engine just might have taken a dump. it's at the dealer right now, but I drove it in. 38,000 miles, no UD's, no track time, oil changed every 3K...

not sure what the prognosis is, but I can tell it ain't gonna be good.

i'm not pissed at Ford or anything, but the idea of sinking any more coin into this dinosaur makes me sick, especially since I put the thing up for sale a month ago and then changed my mind...

this kind of thing makes an Infinitity look good to me

[Richy04]

I noticed that these cars rev awfully high when they start up and have that typical Ford bottom end diesel (read dry bearing) sound until the oil pressure comes up. Not a good thing in my book and I've heard several before buying that make the same noise.. Ford fans will know the noise that I speak of and the MM is no exception.. Hopefully Matt you can simply replace the crank and bearings (I dont like to undercut anything) along with a new oil pump and be back on the road.. Richy 04MM BK

[bigal614]

I was told that the heads will Gall almost instantly with no oil pressure so it's not just a bottom end job, heads and all?

I am a Ford guy owning 2 of them but I have to say, why should I stand behind them when they won't stand behind us? This car was 35K new, How much for a new Mach 1, Cobra, F350 diesel? I'll be 42 next month, how many new cars will I buy over the next 20 or 30 years? I just don't think thats very CS oriented? I've gotten over it and moved on and just need to figure out the best way to go here?

Also, How many miles would an engine last with the BBK pulleys?

[RF Overlord]

How many miles would an engine last with the BBK pulleys?If the pulleys are installed incorrectly, the basic answer is: "not very many". The one person on this board (besides yourself) who lost a motor due to having underdrive pulleys, which were installed incorrectly, got about about 4 months out of his.

[FordNut]

I know it stinks to be stuck, but they do have time and mileage limits on the warranty. If it's outside the time or mileage limits, or it has been modified in a way the manufacturer doesn't approve of, I don't see why anybody would expect the manufacturer to accept responsibility.

[RCSignals]

I noticed that these cars rev awfully high when they start up and have that typical Ford bottom end diesel (read dry bearing) sound until the oil pressure comes up. Not a good thing in my book and I've heard several before buying that make the same noise.. Ford fans will know the noise that I speak of and the MM is no exception.. Hopefully Matt you can simply replace the crank and bearings (I dont like to undercut anything) along with a new oil pump and be back on the road.. Richy 04MM BK

I don't know what you are referring to "typical Ford bottom end diesel (read dry bearing) sound until the oil pressure comes up" and I've owned Fords from Model A's through flatheads, Y-blocks, FE's, small block windsors, Mod engines etc.

[RCSignals]

Yeah the explorer engines are aluminium, as for the Mach 1 motor, the interchange book doesn't show that as a match, and I ran into a problem with an engine swap in a cobra a while back, the end of the crank is different from an automatic to a stick, you deffinetly can't use an auto motor in a stick, but I don't know about the other way around.

The Mach1 and Aviator should also use the same basic aluminum block DOHC engine

[Richy04]

I don't know what you are referring to "typical Ford bottom end diesel (read dry bearing) sound until the oil pressure comes up" and I've owned Fords from Model A's through flatheads, Y-blocks, FE's, small block windsors, Mod engines etc.


Then I am sorry, cant help ya, but every Ford I've owned all had a brief clatter upon startup to the point where I knew in a parking lot a Ford Product was starting nearby. I guess you are just lucky never to hear it and thats wonderful.. Regards, Richy

[RCSignals]

I was told that the heads will Gall almost instantly with no oil pressure so it's not just a bottom end job, heads and all?

I am a Ford guy owning 2 of them but I have to say, why should I stand behind them when they won't stand behind us? This car was 35K new, How much for a new Mach 1, Cobra, F350 diesel? I'll be 42 next month, how many new cars will I buy over the next 20 or 30 years? I just don't think thats very CS oriented? I've gotten over it and moved on and just need to figure out the best way to go here?

Also, How many miles would an engine last with the BBK pulleys?

Since Ford itself hasn't been in the picture, your problem is that particular dealer and Service manager.

As I posted before, my Service Manager tells me that since the warranties were made 5 year, Service Managers have been given wider authority in warranty repair decisions, and that they can basically consider the vehicles that previously had the 3 year warranties as being covered by the newer 5 year terms. This at the discression of the Service Manager.
So if your car is 'out of warranty' but within that 5 year 60,000 mile window, the Service Manager does not have to give you the brush off.

[Sharky]

Then I am sorry, cant help ya, but every Ford I've owned all had a brief clatter upon startup to the point where I knew in a parking lot a Ford Product was starting nearby. I guess you are just lucky never to hear it and thats wonderful.. Regards, Richy

Mine does it. It's brief but noticeable.

Not as bad as the Silverado I use to own, though. It rattled at start-up like a diesel since when it was new, but I never had any oil-related problems with it. It still used the same amount of oil at 150,000 miles as it did at 50,000 (about 3/4 of a quart between oil changes).

[bigal614]

Since Ford itself hasn't been in the picture, your problem is that particular dealer and Service manager.

As I posted before, my Service Manager tells me that since the warranties were made 5 year, Service Managers have been given wider authority in warranty repair decisions, and that they can basically consider the vehicles that previously had the 3 year warranties as being covered by the newer 5 year terms. This at the discression of the Service Manager.
So if your car is 'out of warranty' but within that 5 year 60,000 mile window, the Service Manager does not have to give you the brush off.

Well I'm well in the 60K limit and still in the 5 year limit as well! I will be checking on that!! Thank you for the info!!

Still no answer on my question how long would a motor last with the BBK pulleys?

[RCSignals]

Well I'm well in the 60K limit and still in the 5 year limit as well! I will be checking on that!! Thank you for the info!!

Still no answer on my question how long would a motor last with the BBK pulleys?

It's all at the discretion of the Service Manager.

[RCSignals]

Mine does it. It's brief but noticeable.

Not as bad as the Silverado I use to own, though. It rattled at start-up like a diesel since when it was new, but I never had any oil-related problems with it. It still used the same amount of oil at 150,000 miles as it did at 50,000 (about 3/4 of a quart between oil changes).

You Marauder shouldn't be doing it.

[Sharky]

You Marauder shouldn't be doing it.

2003 Grand Marquis. Yeah, it has a little light valvetrain clatter on cold start, very brief, but it still gives me the creeps. Not rod knock, and it's definitely not the piston slap that my Silverado had. I'm running 5W-20 full synthetic, BTW.

My neighbor's 2002 F-150 does it, too.

[RCSignals]

2003 Grand Marquis. Yeah, it has a little light valvetrain clatter on cold start, very brief, but it still gives me the creeps. Not rod knock, and it's definitely not the piston slap that my Silverado had. I'm running 5W-20 full synthetic, BTW.

My neighbor's 2002 F-150 does it, too.

OK, the other guy was talking about dry lower end clatter, I thought you were as well.
I guess there are a lot of things that light valve train clatter could be. Some say it's just normal for a OHC engine.

FWIW my 2003 CV does not have it.

[gmtech]

bought used from ford dealer....2nd owner...2 weeks later rear cyl on driver side had what seemed like piston pin noise ..returned to dealer,under there own 30 day warranty..two weeks later after plenty of fussing:( ..new engine completely covered from FMC..warranty on engine till i hit 75,000 miles..tech removed engine and found rear driver cylinder excessively out of round...got really lucky:D on this...now at 58500 and it does have rattle noise (chatter) at start up...i just ignore it ,love the car too much:D

[N40GL]

First, let me apologize for getting into this thread late.

Second, I just went through some of this bizarre garbage when I moved to Virginia and took my KB MM to a new dealer. The Service Manager wanted to void the warranty on the whole car, after disassembling it and refusing to work on it (although, nice guy that he is, paid for it to be towed back to my home) (sarcasm intended). Then he started the paperwork to void the ESP (based on his conclusion that this car was a "dangerous car" and should not be driven).

Making a long story short, I called Ford customer service (the number's in the Owner's Manual) and made a verbal complaint, and then learned from them the web site where I made a written complaint against the dealer; naming names and so forth).

About a week or so later, after I ended up getting the car fixed at a non-Ford repair shop, I get a call from the Zone and another one from the Region. They met me at a different dealer (who is now my 'dealer of choice' in Virginia) to inspect the car and review the offending dealer's actions.

At the end of the day, (1) they told me they had never seen a car as well maintained as mine, (2) the ESP was reinstated with full coverage; (3) the out-of-pocket repair costs were reimbursed, and (4) the offending dealer was written up*.

My point being - don't accept what the first dealer says; he ain't speaking for Ford. He's only speaking for his own dealership. Write him up if you think you were mistreated, and then find out which dealer in your area is more receptive to modified vehicles, and then take it over there. You'll probably get better treatment. I did.

* : this is important at holdback/incentive time, because a write-up will get those payments reduced.

[RCSignals]

First, let me apologize for getting into this thread late.

Second, I just went through some of this bizarre garbage when I moved to Virginia and took my KB MM to a new dealer. The Service Manager wanted to void the warranty on the whole car, after disassembling it and refusing to work on it (although, nice guy that he is, paid for it to be towed back to my home) (sarcasm intended). Then he started the paperwork to void the ESP (based on his conclusion that this car was a "dangerous car" and should not be driven).

Making a long story short, I called Ford customer service (the number's in the Owner's Manual) and made a verbal complaint, and then learned from them the web site where I made a written complaint against the dealer; naming names and so forth).

About a week or so later, after I ended up getting the car fixed at a non-Ford repair shop, I get a call from the Zone and another one from the Region. They met me at a different dealer (who is now my 'dealer of choice' in Virginia) to inspect the car and review the offending dealer's actions.

At the end of the day, (1) they told me they had never seen a car as well maintained as mine, (2) the ESP was reinstated with full coverage; (3) the out-of-pocket repair costs were reimbursed, and (4) the offending dealer was written up*.

My point being - don't accept what the first dealer says; he ain't speaking for Ford. He's only speaking for his own dealership. Write him up if you think you were mistreated, and then find out which dealer in your area is more receptive to modified vehicles, and then take it over there. You'll probably get better treatment. I did.

* : this is important at holdback/incentive time, because a write-up will get those payments reduced.

excellent, and you needn't have made any apology.

not only will that write up get those payments reduced, but it could effect quota of vehicles and priority for assigned to the dealer. Especially for low production vehicles such as the Shelby Mustang line.

[RF Overlord]

Still no answer on my question how long would a motor last with the BBK pulleys?See post #85...I don't think your question can be answered definitively.