Cold Air Intakes

[Marauder131]

Although the Marauder is reputed to have a well designed intake, many have elected to install aftermarket cold air intakes. While many have been satisfied with the results, a number of members have noted issues with their cars bogging after install. As for my car, I have Lidio's tune and 4.10 gears and am wondering if getting a new tune is a prerequisite in order to avoid bogging issues. Devoid of a new tune to address the increased air flow, is bogging a potential certainty?

Thanks

[RF Overlord]

"Potential certainty"...is that like "jumbo shrimp" or "military intelligence"?

:lol: I'm just funnin' with ya...

I have the PHP airbox and no bogging issues at all.

When Lidio tuned my car after the Trilogy was installed and he said you can either drop down one pulley size OR install a CAI without needing a re-tune, but not both.

[fastblackmerc]

I have a JLT and had no issues with the stock tune.

[Krytin]

I got the JLT as well and had no problems w/out a retune - but squeaked out a few more hp with one!

[gmtech]

i installed JLT w/ stock tune with no problems......although there was a loud sucking sound from under the hood:P ...now have lidio xcal2 still no problems from JLT

[SlkMerc]

Same here. JLT and no bogging. Of course the addition of the sound of the hood being sucked in when I get on it....Shweet Man, shweet! I also have 3 Lidio tunes in my flasher, when I use them it just makes the car better. 3.55 tune for 91 oct, another w/ 2 degrees timing pulled off and one that locks the convertor up at lower speeds for a chance at some better mileage.

[Marauder131]

Thanks for the replies guys. You know, when I initially got my car, I swore that I would leave it bone stock. Yeah right, eh? First I put a tune for the 3.55's, then came the 4.10's. It's a great car, as we will all agree, but I guess, like others, I have the urge to make it a little more menacing. Another pertinant question with regard to the new JLT's, relates to rubbing the hood liner. Has this issue been addressed with successive versions of the JLT, or still occur? Also, does one have to reset the MAF sensor to avoid to bogging issues previously discussed, or simply do the install?

Thanks

[bigjon]

personally, for the minimal gains from an aftermarket intake, i'd save the money for something fun. like a torque converter or something.

that's just me though. i know how free flowing the mm intake actually is.

[gmtech]

no maf relearn here just install of jlt...the sound is worth the money IMO....the look on peoples faces when you pull beside them and hit it..priceless

[ctrlraven]

JLT here and no problems.

[Architect]

Any reason to choose the JLT over the more expensive K&N Air Charger...?
I went with the Air Charger right after I got my Marauder...
No bog at all...I did let the folks at Xcal 2 know I had it when I bought
the tune...
Architect

[RF Overlord]

Any reason to choose the JLT over the more expensive K&N Air Charger...?Aside from the fact that JLT is a vendor here and his product works as well as or better than the more expensive one?

[Dragcity]

My Maruder does not like the JLT. I have tried everyhting I know to do and still have a bog in the low end. I have had it on now lfor about 2 months whith several tunes and several adjustments and can't shake th Boggy Man.

Guess I just need a blower. I still get best results from the OEM airbox. The JLT does make a lot of noise, and I feel there is a substantial gain at about 5,000 RPM. But as we all know, we need low end kick, and for me (just me) I get Bogged with the CAI....

Everyone else is enjoying better results, just not me....

It will rub the hood insulator, I glued a piece of leather onto my hood insulator. worked well.

[Marauder131]

Perhaps the most pertinant question would relate the effectiveveness of such an intake in preventing particles from entering the engine as opposed to the stock air box and filter. Have such set ups been proven as effective?

[warren]

Marauder131,

Be sure to check your cold air connections for good fit.
My Ford MAF was not perfectly flat on the flat surface conecting to the
MAF adaptor porvided. ie. the MAF adaptor was perfect but the Ford plastic MAF\was not flat.
When put them together there was a small air leak after the filter inbetween
the MAF and adaptor. I did not notice it until I had Blackstone Labs test my
engine oil and I found the SILICON level went from 15 to 24ppm showing that dirt from under hood was getting into the system.
Usually I have Blackstone test my oil at each oil change for wear on the engine.
I reinstalled using some clear silicone glue between the two parts to seal the
small leak.

I installed my cold air intake and had no bogging or any issues with performance just a super power sound and more HP from the JLT system.
My MM is set up like yours and I did have Dennis Reinhart do before and after tunes. No bogging w/wo.

Warren

[Marauder131]

Marauder131,

Be sure to check your cold air connections for good fit.
My Ford MAF was not perfectly flat on the flat surface conecting to the
MAF adaptor porvided. ie. the MAF adaptor was perfect but the Ford plastic MAF\was not flat.
When put them together there was a small air leak after the filter inbetween
the MAF and adaptor. I did not notice it until I had Blackstone Labs test my
engine oil and I found the SILICON level went from 15 to 24ppm showing that dirt from under hood was getting into the system.
Usually I have Blackstone test my oil at each oil change for wear on the engine.
I reinstalled using some clear silicone glue between the two parts to seal the
small leak.

I installed my cold air intake and had no bogging or any issues with performance just a super power sound and more HP from the JLT system.
My MM is set up like yours and I did have Dennis Reinhart do before and after tunes. No bogging w/wo.

Warren

Thanks for the reply Warren, and others. Although there have been many threads relating to the CAI's, like many of you, I am very protective of my car and want to be confident in any modification that gets done. It would seem that the JLT is the best value overall, and generally, I get the impression that people are happy with the quality. The rubbing of the hood liner does concern me somewhat, but mostly I want to be certain that such a change does not compromise the durability of the engine, by letting in excess particles in comparison to the stock air box.

[Marauder131]

I've continued mulling it over, and would like nothing better than to order a JLT, but I don't want the issues with the hood liner. If there is way to avoid this, I'll order one for sure. I would just hate to mark up the car in any way.

[MADRODER]

My Maruder does not like the JLT. I have tried everyhting I know to do and still have a bog in the low end. I have had it on now lfor about 2 months whith several tunes and several adjustments and can't shake th Boggy Man.

Guess I just need a blower. I still get best results from the OEM airbox. The JLT does make a lot of noise, and I feel there is a substantial gain at about 5,000 RPM. But as we all know, we need low end kick, and for me (just me) I get Bogged with the CAI....

Everyone else is enjoying better results, just not me....

It will rub the hood insulator, I glued a piece of leather onto my hood insulator. worked well.

If your not happy with it let me know, maybe I'll buy it off you.....LOL....I'm serious:D

[Krytin]

I've continued mulling it over, and would like nothing better than to order a JLT, but I don't want the issues with the hood liner. If there is way to avoid this, I'll order one for sure. I would just hate to mark up the car in any way.
The K&N kit rubs the hood liner too - just in a different spot.
The JLT kit can be installed w/very minimal interference if you take your time and line things up. The critical spot is right at the T/B conection - keep the clamp drives to the sides and not on top and angle the boot down as far as you can.

[SC Cheesehead]

I've continued mulling it over, and would like nothing better than to order a JLT, but I don't want the issues with the hood liner. If there is way to avoid this, I'll order one for sure. I would just hate to mark up the car in any way.

You may want to check out a PHP CAI through Reinhart. I picked up a used one through the MM Classifieds and like the looks, sound, and performance.

Also, no rub problems that I can detect.

SCCH

[fastblackmerc]

The K&N kit rubs the hood liner too - just in a different spot.
The JLT kit can be installed w/very minimal interference if you take your time and line things up. The critical spot is right at the T/B conection - keep the clamp drives to the sides and not on top and angle the boot down as far as you can.
What ^^^ he ^^^^ said.

[Marauder131]

I guess the million dollar question would also pertain to the filtering capabilities of CAI set ups. I would assume that there would be some trade of in comparison to the stock air box. Yes/No?

Most people seem to speak highly of the JLT. It would appear to be good bang for the buck. Does this speak true as far as the overall quality of the unit? These are expensive cars, and anything I install on it must, in my mind, continue to reflect that and be of high quality. What is the approximate life expectancy of the JLT units?

[GA-Marauder]

I guess the million dollar question would also pertain to the filtering capabilities of CAI set ups. I would assume that there would be some trade of in comparison to the stock air box. Yes/No?

Most people seem to speak highly of the JLT. It would appear to be good bang for the buck. Does this speak true as far as the overall quality of the unit? These are expensive cars, and anything I install on it must, in my mind, continue to reflect that and be of high quality. What is the approximate life expectancy of the JLT units?


I have had the JLT in my MM since Christmas of 2004. It still functions perfectly. I clean the filter about every 6 months, and that's it. There probably is no "life expectancy" since there are no moving parts. :D

[fastblackmerc]

Since the filter is washable the life expectancy is forever. Unless you runout of water and oil :D:

[Marauder131]

I was mostly inquiring with regard to the effect of heat over a prolonged period on such a product. Considering its application though, I would anticipate that it should be durable.

[RF Overlord]

You may want to check out a PHP CAI through Reinhart. I picked up a used one through the MM Classifieds and like the looks, sound, and performance.

Also, no rub problems that I can detect.

SCCH^^^what he said^^^

M131, I don't think you can go wrong with the PHP, the JLT, or the K&N...they're all well-made and have many happy customers here.