Cruztaker MM is dead

[CRUZTAKER]

Well, the inevitable has occurred. The once fastest NA motor has passed.
It ticked from day one, but ran like no tomorrow for several years. After a brief visit to a local body shop last month, she started to 'diesel' a bit from the lower end of the motor. I cannot be sure if these folks 'hot-lapped' my car, as I never checked milage. None the less, a new noise became apparent the day I picked it up.

I drove it hard locally 3 times in the last month, and ran it at the track over the weekend. After making a relatively uneventfull, and slow 12.7 pass, the third of the day, it stalled in the return lanes...dieseling again. It started briefly, and then stalled forever.

I had it towed some 90 miles back to the dealership, in hopes it was something electrical. :rolleyes: It was confirmed today that the motor is indeed siezed. Nothing is leaking, and there are no holes nor cracks in the motor. No codes either. I have a source that feels I may have stretched a rod. I know nothing about motors.

Tomorrow a Ford Rep will come and examine the car, as they always do when a motor craps under warranty. I have the 7/75 platinum, and 36k on the odo.

Tomorrow I will be told my warranty is void.

Tomorrow I will park the beast under cover in a quiet, dark place.

Sadness envelops....:alone:

[superford3]

how will they warranty a modded motor?

[ckadiddle]

Sorry to hear it. :( Keep us posted.

[KillJoy]

Tomorrow I will be told my warranty is void.


how will they warranty a modded motor?

They won't.

KillJoy

[Cobra25]

Sorry too hear that Barry. I Hope you get lucky with the dealership.

[shami02]

How many miles on the motor?

[offroadkarter]

Cant you knock the piston loose, oil it up, and go?


Sorry to hear about this, i say knock it loose, but i dont know if that works on marauders, works on briggs and straton engines just fine.

[fastblackmerc]

Good Luck with Ford.

[Bigdogjim]

Very sorry to read this news. Never good when a motor goes south.(so to speak)

Best of luck with a re-build.

[superford3]

what mods do you have

[HwyCruiser]

Sorry Barry, that sucks big time. :(

Nevermind, but who's collecting the fund? MMR shortblocks look mighty tasty at $2300.

[KillJoy]

Sorry Barry, that sucks big time. :(

Nevermind, but who's collecting the fund? MMR shortblocks look mighty tasty at $2300.


HERE (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?p=494959#post49 4959) it is.

[jgc61sr2002]

Barry - Sorry to hear that.
It ain't over till it's over.
Good luck with the Ford rep.

[GreekGod]

MMR shortblock?

[Bluerauder]

Well, the inevitable has occurred. The once fastest NA motor has passed.
Dayum !! Sorry to hear this Barry. :(

[DEFYANT]

Ebay has a good deal on a used MM motor and trans...

[Master]

See new thread for additional offer.

[snowbird]

Maybe try to work an "apple cut in two" with the warranty rep ?

Anyhow, sorry to hear about this.

[1stMerc]

Sorry to hear the news Barry, good luck with the rep.

[Glenn]

Sorry to hear about the engine. I would definately try to work a deal with Ford on the warranty. They might go for a new engine or even a Cobra short block at Ford cost which would be a big savings. Then take the engine and have a local shop install it. Try and find someone at the dealer or a Ford rep to work with you. I cannot believe someone at the body shop could not resist taking the MM for a "spin". You might as a last resort ask Ford to analyze your black box and try to determine if the last few minutes of driving were from you or the body shop. Good Luck.

Glenn

[merc]

Wow, that make me think twice. Sorry you are down for the count. What power adder did you use to get a 12.7 run. The last time I saw your car you were N/A.

[DEFYANT]

Wow, that make me thing twice. Sorry you are down for the count. What power adder did you use to get a 12.7 run. The last time I saw your car you were N/A.

Motor Crack

[FordNut]

Bummer. It's been a lot of fun, ya just gotta fix it (even better than before!)

[merc]

Motor Crack

Is that inhaled for injected

[FastMerc]

Wow, that make me think twice. Sorry you are down for the count. What power adder did you use to get a 12.7 run. The last time I saw your car you were N/A. Your right and still is :D

[Blackened300a]

So sorry to hear about this, 2007 has been hell for us Marauder owners.

Maybe by some slight chance Ford will overlook all the bolt-on mods and warranty it because the internals are stock.

Good Luck and keep us posted.

[greggash]

Your right and still is :D

The above quote was in reference to the car making a quarter mile pass
in 12.7 you sure.....I know lots of trilogy cars that run times like that and better. whats your speed at the end of the quarter?

Who was your tuner?

If your car was / is that fast I would de-tune it befor giving it to a body shop where they are gonna just kill that poor thing...like they did

[Blackened300a]

The above quote was in reference to the car making a quarter mile pass
in 12.7 you sure.....I know lots of trilogy cars that run times like that and better. whats your speed at the end of the quarter?

Who was your tuner?


If you read between the lines of some of the previous posts you'll catch on to why he ran a 12.7.
This forum is open to the public so who knows who will read any of this when they make the decide to warranty his engine or not.

[Raudermaster]

Damn man that's a bummer. I think them bastard Impala SS owners have a voodoo man working against us. I agree with Glenn though and see if they can read the black box.

[teamrope]

I'm so sorry Barry. Give us a holler if you need any help.

[Zack]

Its no big deal folks!
I wanted to go back to Ohio anyway..

[martyo]

Its no big deal folks!
I wanted to go back to Ohio anyway..

If you promise to stay there I will contribute!! :D

[mpearce]

Barry, Good luck with the Marauder. Sorry to hear the bad news. Now that this has happened, and Zack will be helping...maybe your 12.7 will turn into an 11.7? Keep the nos, and see if someones got a spare blower laying around?

-Mat

[KillJoy]

Barry, Good luck with the Marauder. Sorry to hear the bad news. Now that this has happened, and Zack will be helping...maybe your 12.7 will turn into an 11.7? Keep the nos, and see if someones got a spare blower laying around?

-Mat

Keep the NOS!?!?!?! HELL NO!!! INCREASE THE JUICE BY 220!!!! :D

11's are for weinies :D

:beer:

KillJoy

[mpearce]

11's are for weinies :D


Only if you're in the 10's. :D

[KillJoy]

Only if you're in the 10's. :D


EXACTLY!!!

;)

[FastMerc]

[quote=greggash;495056]The above quote was in reference to the car making a quarter mile pass
in 12.7 you sure.....I know lots of trilogy cars that run times like that and better. whats your speed at the end of the quarter?
This is true but his car is not supercharged!!!

[CRUZTAKER]

No word from the dealer today....just an erie silence.
Perhaps the jury is still out...perhaps the judge merely hasn't shown up?

Ironically, I almost hope to be voided. I mean...this could happen again, and I am sure it will.

Is it better to prolong? Financially yes. But mentally?
I don't have the funds at the moment...therefore it's difficult to decide which is better.

Either way, I think it's time to clinb into the attic, dig out those old 'things' that my grandparents left me, and hit the ebay. I should be able to raise some dough over time.

Here I went and ditched the glasses and got Lasik last month. That's 2k that would have come in handy.:rolleyes:

Oh...BTW:

Stevo, your tow bill was chump change. How's $320 sound? :eek:

I updated my vB-Garage for those new folks that joined since my hiatus last year.

[DefyantExWife]

Maybe consider trading in your wife's Lincoln for something more economical. That would be a huge monthly money saver (or money getter if it is paid for).

That's where I would start..

[Ken]

Maybe consider trading in your wife's Lincoln for something more economical. That would be a huge monthly money saver (or money getter if it is paid for).

That's where I would start..Are you trying to cause a divorce?:confused:

Ken

[knine]

No, she'd be trying to cause a divorce if she had said "try trading in the wife.":eek:

[DefyantExWife]

well wth.. he's rubbing nickels together here, but I remember a year or 2 ago him buying a fancy Lincoln.

Maybe the Lincoln was more for HIM anyway... perhaps to the wife, a car is a car is a car... does it get her to the mall ? with air conditioning? Who cares if its a Lincoln or a Hyundai then :rolleyes:

[Ken]

well wth.. he's rubbing nickels together here, but I remember a year or 2 ago him buying a fancy Lincoln.

Maybe the Lincoln was more for HIM anyway... perhaps to the wife, a car is a car is a car... does it get her to the mall ? with air conditioning? Who cares if its a Lincoln or a Hyundai then :rolleyes:I'd rather push Barry's MM (And we did about 3/4 miles, enjoyed it so much that we pushed Steve's another 1/4 mile!) then see Jess drive a Hyundai!:bows:

How would you feel in Jessica's shoes? Gotta keep the peace!:bows: Even I would've never asked that of the ex Mrs. Ken.

Ken

[KillJoy]

Maybe consider trading in your wife's Lincoln for something more economical. That would be a huge monthly money saver (or money getter if it is paid for).

That's where I would start..

:eek:

People and their opinions....

:shake:

KillJoy

[RoyLPita]

Keep us posted.

[DefyantExWife]

I'd rather push Barry's MM (And we did about 3/4 miles, enjoyed it so much that we pushed Steve's another 1/4 mile!) then see Jess drive a Hyundai!:bows:

How would you feel in Jessica's shoes? Gotta keep the peace!:bows: Even I would've never asked that of the ex Mrs. Ken.

Ken


:D I dont really care what I drive, so long as it is reliable and has heat and a/c. I drive a Mercury, but I am not too good to drive a Hyundai or whatever else. Just sayin'.

and geeze, am I not entitled to give my 2 cents? I am pretty smart when it comes to money, and a bit thrifty :rolleyes: mixed in with a dash of annoying-azzity apparently. :shake:

[CRUZTAKER]

well wth.. he's rubbing nickels together here, but I remember a year or 2 ago him buying a fancy Lincoln.:rolleyes:

My wife bought that Aviator, with her own money, her own choice, and quite a bargain at 22k off MSRP. She is a professional, and quite capable of paying for whatever she wants.


....and geeze, am I not entitled to give my 2 cents?

You are. So is Zack. I agree with Zack however.

Before you make any further goofy assumptions = STFU and make a funny instead. ;)

[TooManyFords]

STFU

(this is not pointed at ANYONE. I just wanted to use it in a reply because everyone else is!)

:D

john

[Shora]

I guess that I have to say it since NODODY seems to have a problem with it.

There is so much that I read in car forms that I think is just dumb. If you don't like somebody's opinion, ignore it or, if you must, state your disagreement. However, telling anyone to STFU for just giving their 2 cents is out of line.

What's wrong with some of you? Why can you not behave on this form like you would in person? Why all this though guy act?

[MM2004]

Enough of the STFU's and financial advice.

Barry,

Any word from Ford?

Mike.

[DefyantExWife]

whatever ....

[TooManyFords]

What's wrong with some of you? Why can you not behave on this form like you would in person? Why all this though guy act?

1. Meds

3. We do act this way in person!

C. Nobody is being tough, except for Liza cause she wears CROCs!

LOL!

Cheers

Todd

[DefyantExWife]

STFU

(this is not pointed at ANYONE. I just wanted to use it in a reply because everyone else is!)

:D

john


Hi whatshisname :beer:

[DefyantExWife]

1. Meds

3. We do act this way in person!

C. Nobody is being tough, except for Liza cause she wears CROCs!

LOL!

Cheers

Todd


ok... you signed that "Todd" now you're confusing the crocs off of me :eek:



:lol:

[CRUZTAKER]

Enough of the STFU's and financial advice.

Barry,

Any word from Ford?

Mike.

No surprise...warranty denied. They offered to open her up and see what went wrong to further prove 'warranty denied'. I declined.

I'll tow it home tomorrow.

As a side note,

An apology to Lisa for the STFU. I have forgotten how easy it is for you to sidetrack a decent thread by poking at folks, and changing subjects. I also forgot how much I dislike it when it happens to me, particularly after not posting for so long. My wife actually had something to say to you, but was far more mature than either of us, and kept it to herself.;) BTW: Among other things, we are trying to expand our family, and looking into a much much needed 100k home expansion to do so. While I count nickles as you say, She is looking at the Audi Q7 4.2l , less 'chincy' than the Vator apparently. Must be nice to be self supporting ehh?

[FastMerc]

Peopl people lets not do this. Barry and Jesse know exactly what they are doing and will do it at there pace,and thats cool!

[DEFYANT]

An apology to Lisa for the STFU.


Don't.

I tell her that all the time. I think she likes it :rolleyes: .

Good luck with the "family expansion" and the broken motor. With what we've done and how we drive, many of us are on borrowed time, myself included.

[CRUZTAKER]

OPTION 1.
The first step is to get her home, and back into the barn.
Many of you know how difficult this alone will be.

It's a good thing Mark is coming over Saturday. Perhaps I can get Ken and / or Jerry to stop by as well. Pushing it up hill into the barn, and 4" off the wall should be a challenge indeed. Including trying to get the flatbed turned out front and up the narrow drive.:shake:

My barn floor is like the moon. It was suggested I lay sheet plywood down to enable pushing around a motor dolly. I figure once I decide how I am going to handle the repair, I'll have to move the car again, put it in the middle, and have Jessy park outside for a few weeks.

I'll need some advice as well regarding the ordering of a new block. I don't even know what to order, where to order, nor what this is going to cost.

I suppose the plan is to order an iron block with descent internals, and put my stuff on it. This assuming Zack is willing to be flown out here over the weekends and perform this miracle, and my ability to scratch up the funds to do so. Also working in a horrible barn enviroment, perhaps taking weeks/months to complete.

OPTION 2.

Allow the dealer to open the motor, find the problem, correct the problem and use oem parts...on my dime of course. Remove the NOS entirely, and drive NA as I did for years. The issue here is, that I know there are some internal normal wear issues to many parts common due to failure on ALL Marauder motors that will need to be addressed.
Question:
In keeping the aluminum block, are there better parts that I can order and provide to the dealer, that may extend NA engine life?

Well? What do you folks suggest?
OPTION 1, OR OPTION 2?

[Ken]

The question is which would you be happier with? Being inconvenienced with option 1, or settling for what the car was? And really how much cheaper will option 2 be? I say talk to Zack, see what you can work out. I'd be willing to help in any way that I can, like run to the fridge for beer! :D, run out for tools/ supplies/ beer. Are you going to be able to get a flatbed or trailer up your drive? What about a winch, park a big 4x4 at the top of drive and pull MM up? I'll be available after 3:30 on Sat.

Ken

[Zack]

Just remember this Barry, it would cost you about $500 to get your car to my house, where it will be completely out of your sight and mind.

When its done, hitch a ride out with Steve, stay the weekend, drive it home.

The cost of getting me out there, driving or flying, will easily equal $500.

Choice is yours, but Im better setup to fix your car at my place!

[CRUZTAKER]

My tow bill for 100 miles was $325.

How do I get to Chicago for $500?

[Hack Goby]

Barry,Why you taking the NOS off?Do you think it caused the failure?Those wern`t exactly easy miles you had on your car.

[CRUZTAKER]

We're thinking the NOS stretched a rod over time. I actually used it a lot. Even though I only drove the car 5000 miles over the last 18 months, I hit the NOS nearly once a week. However, I haven't raced since MV-III.

[TooManyFords]

We're thinking the NOS stretched a rod over time. I actually used it a lot. Even though I only drove the car 5000 miles over the last 18 months, I hit the NOS nearly once a week. However, I haven't raced since MV-III.

You did check the starter, right? How did you confirm that it is "locked up"?

I'm just not buying that whole "stretched rod" thing... I mean, I could buy maybe the rod being "compressed" but to stretch it? How does one stretch a rod?

John

[KillJoy]

Just remember this Barry, it would cost you about $500 to get your car to my house, where it will be completely out of your sight and mind.

Unless I am mistaken, I am SURE Zack has a MM you could borrow while he is repairing yours. Perhaps one with Boost...so you will know REAL power :D

;)

KillJoy

[Motorhead350]

Good luck on this project and don't let it die! 2007 has actually been a good year for me so I don't think 2007 has been a horrible year for Marauder people. What else has gone wrong besides KillJoys tranny? I posted an engine and tranny for sale I found on ebay so both of you check it out!

[CRUZTAKER]

You did check the starter, right? How did you confirm that it is "locked up"?

I'm just not buying that whole "stretched rod" thing... I mean, I could buy maybe the rod being "compressed" but to stretch it? How does one stretch a rod?

John

I dunno John. I am not motor oriented like some of you.
However, the dealership DID verify that the motor is indeed "LOCKED" and there is some type of internal problem. They had it for several days now, and were kind enough to keep it indoors on a lift, and bill me only a small labor fee for diagnostics.

I assure you that when Zack opns it up, he will document and share his findings with all of us.

I have optioned to trailer the car myself to Illinois, and have Zack work his magic. I am still a little fuzzy with the tow, and certainly not up on the funds yet.

I am going to start a new thread in regards to trailering.

[Bluerauder]

My tow bill for 100 miles was $325.

How do I get to Chicago for $500?
Just get the car to Fremont, Indiana for FREE and start there. ;) :jk:

I would opt for your Option #2. Seems to be the least hassle of the two from my perspective. That'll get you back to what you were (or close to it as possible). That's probably the low cost option as well.

If your goal is to go above and beyond your N/A position and you have the time, resources, and patience to do it -- then OPTION #1 will put you on the right path at a higher cost in time and money.

Bottomline: It really depends on where you want to go as the next step in MM modification and whether you have the time and money to make it happen.

[RF Overlord]

Bear, at least Zack will have your best interest at heart...unlike your average dealer...who will only have your wallet at heart.