I Got A Ticket For My Fog Lamps

[kariamack]

We all know its the 4th of july .....we all know that police present is crazy on this special day...ok im in Jacksonville Florida ...its 7.20 pm ok its sunny out ..on 1 of that longest days of the year actually 11 days from the longest day of the year....ok I going to a friends house to get my grub on how about i get pulled over ....by that the nice people in blue......ok Im thinking i was maybe speeding :( not so .......OKKKK wat for then ....I had my fog lamps on in the sunny daylight and thats is a moving violation never heard of that one...so i get a ticket for 118.00 wat a bunch of sh****t.......what should I do just pay the ticket and take the 2 points mine I have no points or take it to court

[rumble]

I would start by looking up the actual ordinance.

[DEFYANT]

Post up the actual section / subsection of the traffic law you were cited for.

[BAD MERC]

LIE!!!!!!!!! Tell them that your dash cover (even if you don't have one) blocks your auto-lamp sensor and turns them on. Tell them you didn't know. OR........ It is a fact that white lights are DRIVING lights and amber are FOG lights. What about GM vehicles with BRIGHT AMBER DRL's on at daytime????

[Starman]

What Statute did he write you for. Should be lower third of the ticket. It will start with 316.XXXX

[RCSignals]

odd

I agree, lok up the ordinance.

Were you aware you had them on?

[MarauderSM]

I would take it to court, Pety cops like that never show up for the appeal. That is BS. Make sure the judge knows it was still light outside. Good Luck.

[DEFYANT]

Also what color were the bulbs / lenses?

[kariamack]

316.2395 Motor vehicles; minimum headlamp requirement......... 7:20 to 8:15 is still daylight here

[kariamack]

thare stock lights

[DEFYANT]

316.2395 Motor vehicles; minimum headlamp requirement......... 7:20 to 8:15 is still daylight here

Survey says:

316.2395 Motor vehicles; minimum headlamp requirement.--Any motor vehicle may be operated at nighttime under the conditions specified in ss. 316.237 and 316.239, when equipped with two lighted lamps upon the front thereof capable of revealing persons and objects 100 feet ahead in lieu of lamps required in ss. 316.237 and 316.239. However, at no time when lighted lamps are required shall such motor vehicle be operated in excess of 20 miles per hour. A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318. <SMALL>
</SMALL>

[larryo340]

I thought that the fog lamps can only turn on if headlamps are on. That is the case with most if not all OEM fog or driving lamps.

[Starman]

Survey says:

316.2395 Motor vehicles; minimum headlamp requirement.--Any motor vehicle may be operated at nighttime under the conditions specified in ss. 316.237 and 316.239, when equipped with two lighted lamps upon the front thereof capable of revealing persons and objects 100 feet ahead in lieu of lamps required in ss. 316.237 and 316.239. However, at no time when lighted lamps are required shall such motor vehicle be operated in excess of 20 miles per hour. A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318. <small>
</small>

316.237 Multiple-beam road-lighting equipment.--
(1) Except as hereinafter provided, the headlamps or the auxiliary driving lamp or the auxiliary passing lamp or combination thereof on motor vehicles shall be so arranged that the driver may select at will between distributions of light projected to different elevations and such lamps may, in addition, be so arranged that such selection can be made automatically, subject to the following limitations:
(a) There shall be an uppermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of such intensity as to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 450 feet ahead for all conditions of loading.
(b) There shall be a lowermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of sufficient intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 150 feet ahead; and on a straight level road under any condition of loading none of the high intensity portion of the beam shall be directed to strike the eyes of an approaching driver.

An object, material, or covering that alters the headlamp's visibility from at least 450 feet for an uppermost distribution of light or at least 150 feet for a lowermost distribution of light may not be placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied over a headlamp.
(2) Every new motor vehicle registered in this state shall be equipped with a beam indicator, which shall be lighted whenever the uppermost distribution of light from the headlamps is in use, and shall not otherwise be lighted. Said indicator shall be so designed and located that when lighted it will be readily visible without glare to the driver of the vehicle so equipped.
(3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.

and

316.239 Single-beam road-lighting equipment.--
(1) Headlamp systems which provide only a single distribution of light shall be permitted on all farm tractors regardless of date of manufacture, and on other motor vehicles manufactured and sold prior to January 1, 1972, in lieu of multiple-beam road-lighting equipment herein specified if the single distribution of light complies with the following requirements and limitations:
(a) The headlamps shall be so aimed that when the vehicle is not loaded none of the high intensity portion of the light shall, at a distance of 25 feet ahead, project higher than a level of five inches below the level of the center of the lamp from which it comes, and in no case higher than 42 inches above the level on which the vehicle stands at a distance of 75 feet ahead.
(b) The intensity shall be sufficient to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 200 feet.
(2) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.

I would fight it, I do not see a violation. There should also be no points. Just be aware, if you fight it and the Officer realizes he wrote you under the wrong statute, he can change it at the beginning of the hearing, But then you have the right to ask for a continuance to another day to research the new statute and make a decision to fight or pay.

If you go to Court, dress your best and mind your manners. Judges like people who show respect by the way they dress and act.

[Aren Jay]

Talk to your moving violation lawyer people.

we have something called points up here they negociate the ticket in court to a non points amount and save you your driving record.

Cost a couple bucks saves you alot in the long run.

[FreddieH]

Fight it , and address the Judge as "Your Honor".

[Aren Jay]

and say sir to everyone else, unless they are a maam.

[Vortex]

Id fight it. Your fog lamps are no different that DRLs on every GM product.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

I thought that the fog lamps can only turn on if headlamps are on. That is the case with most if not all OEM fog or driving lamps.

You can only turn the fog lights on with at least the parking lights being on. Headlights don't have to be on.

[RCSignals]

Survey says:

316.2395 Motor vehicles; minimum headlamp requirement.--Any motor vehicle may be operated at nighttime under the conditions specified in ss. 316.237 and 316.239, when equipped with two lighted lamps upon the front thereof capable of revealing persons and objects 100 feet ahead in lieu of lamps required in ss. 316.237 and 316.239. However, at no time when lighted lamps are required shall such motor vehicle be operated in excess of 20 miles per hour. A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318. <small>
</small>

What's the 20 mph bit about?

Seems if it was daylight no lights were required, unless a local ordinance requires headlights on by time of day.

I thought our lights were driving lights, not 'fog' lights? Driving lights to fill the unlit space between the front of the vehicle and dark space where headlights begin to light the road?

[ckadiddle]

I have been driving in the central Florida area with my headlights plus fog lights on day or night for over two years with nary a peep from LEOs.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

I have been driving in the central Florida area with my headlights plus fog lights on day or night for over two years with nary a peep from LEOs.

How often have you had to replace your silverstars?

[1stMerc]

I thought our lights were driving lights, not 'fog' lights? Driving lights to fill the unlit space between the front of the vehicle and dark space where headlights begin to light the road?

Ours are driving lights. True fog lights have an amber lense. For some strange reason any clear lights placed in the general vicinity on are labeled fogs by the masses. This is a misnomer as anyone who has driven in fog with real "fog lights" will attest.

Ask me how i know

[OneBADLsE]

316.237 Multiple-beam road-lighting equipment.--
(1) Except as hereinafter provided, the headlamps or the auxiliary driving lamp or the auxiliary passing lamp or combination thereof on motor vehicles shall be so arranged that the driver may select at will between distributions of light projected to different elevations and such lamps may, in addition, be so arranged that such selection can be made automatically, subject to the following limitations:
(a) There shall be an uppermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of such intensity as to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 450 feet ahead for all conditions of loading.
(b) There shall be a lowermost distribution of light, or composite beam, so aimed and of sufficient intensity to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 150 feet ahead; and on a straight level road under any condition of loading none of the high intensity portion of the beam shall be directed to strike the eyes of an approaching driver.

An object, material, or covering that alters the headlamp's visibility from at least 450 feet for an uppermost distribution of light or at least 150 feet for a lowermost distribution of light may not be placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied over a headlamp.
(2) Every new motor vehicle registered in this state shall be equipped with a beam indicator, which shall be lighted whenever the uppermost distribution of light from the headlamps is in use, and shall not otherwise be lighted. Said indicator shall be so designed and located that when lighted it will be readily visible without glare to the driver of the vehicle so equipped.
(3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.

and

316.239 Single-beam road-lighting equipment.--
(1) Headlamp systems which provide only a single distribution of light shall be permitted on all farm tractors regardless of date of manufacture, and on other motor vehicles manufactured and sold prior to January 1, 1972, in lieu of multiple-beam road-lighting equipment herein specified if the single distribution of light complies with the following requirements and limitations:
(a) The headlamps shall be so aimed that when the vehicle is not loaded none of the high intensity portion of the light shall, at a distance of 25 feet ahead, project higher than a level of five inches below the level of the center of the lamp from which it comes, and in no case higher than 42 inches above the level on which the vehicle stands at a distance of 75 feet ahead.
(b) The intensity shall be sufficient to reveal persons and vehicles at a distance of at least 200 feet.
(2) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.

I would fight it, I do not see a violation. There should also be no points. Just be aware, if you fight it and the Officer realizes he wrote you under the wrong statute, he can change it at the beginning of the hearing, But then you have the right to ask for a continuance to another day to research the new statute and make a decision to fight or pay.

If you go to Court, dress your best and mind your manners. Judges like people who show respect by the way they dress and act.


You CANT AMEND a summons...Are you nuts?????


Its a sworn statement!
:confused:

[TheDonk]

Boy, this is a good one.
First off, you have 30 days in which to decide whether to fight or pay.
Second, the statute you were cited for is a "Non-moving" violation
so no points are assigned, just a fine. Which unless the county you
live in has a really high fine schedule the $118 you quoted sounds
more like the fine for a moving violation. The counties in the central
FL area have fines for moving violations in the $115-122 range, the
fines for non-moving violations range from $71-78.
The next step would be to look at the time of the violation on the
citation versus sunrise/sunset times (look at your local newspaper)
if the time falls within the daylight time and the weather was not
inclement (i.e. raining, fog, smoky, etc.) then lights are not required.

If you decide to fight it then request a hearing through the county
clerk of courts, then go armed with the newspaper times of sun rise/set,
a copy of the statute ( avail. online), and an explanation that you use
your driving lights as Daytime running lights since your car
does not have that safety feature.

In Florida the adminstrative rules of the traffic court allow the charging
officer to amend his citation at the time of the hearing prior to it's
commencement.

[Jolly Roger]

Id fight it. Your fog lamps are no different that DRLs on every GM product.

Like he said,
They don't ticket cars for daytime runnig lights (DRL).:mad:

[Starman]

You CANT AMEND a summons...Are you nuts?????


Its a sworn statement!
:confused:

Yes you can. Seen it done and done it myself.

[Dennis Reinhart]

We all know its the 4th of july .....we all know that police present is crazy on this special day...ok im in Jacksonville Florida ...its 7.20 pm ok its sunny out ..on 1 of that longest days of the year actually 11 days from the longest day of the year....ok I going to a friends house to get my grub on how about i get pulled over ....by that the nice people in blue......ok Im thinking i was maybe speeding :( not so .......OKKKK wat for then ....I had my fog lamps on in the sunny daylight and thats is a moving violation never heard of that one...so i get a ticket for 118.00 wat a bunch of sh****t.......what should I do just pay the ticket and take the 2 points mine I have no points or take it to court


I would say you should apear for that this is no different than day time running lights was it the JSO or the FHP

[ckadiddle]

How often have you had to replace your silverstars?
None so far.

[MENINBLK]

Talk to your moving violation lawyer people.

we have something called points up here they negociate the ticket in court to a non points amount and save you your driving record.

Cost a couple bucks saves you alot in the long run.

You need to read the post and the ordinaces before you fire off a post.
This is a NON-MOVING violation. There are no points involved.
At the most, there is just a fine.

[MENINBLK]

Ours are driving lights. True fog lights have an amber lense. For some strange reason any clear lights placed in the general vicinity on are labeled fogs by the masses. This is a misnomer as anyone who has driven in fog with real "fog lights" will attest.

Ask me how i know

According to the Ford Parts Catalog, they are CIBIE FOG LAMP ASSEMBLIES.

[kariamack]

yes it was JSO..he mad a complete u turn to run me down and stop me rite at the best buy on alantic blvd

[MarauderMarc]

Sounds like a bored cop to me.....

[FastMerc]

Should have told him lights on for SAFETY duh!

[RCSignals]

You need to read the post and the ordinaces before you fire off a post.
This is a NON-MOVING violation. There are no points involved.
At the most, there is just a fine.

Actually in the first post he indicates there are points or a fine



...so i get a ticket for 118.00 wat a bunch of sh****t.......what should I do just pay the ticket and take the 2 points mine I have no points or take it to court

[gja]

***hat flatfoot with more authority than sense.
This is the kind of insipid, power-tripping, jackass that gives the LEO community its collective black eye.

[rumble]

Survey says:

316.2395 Motor vehicles; minimum headlamp requirement.--Any motor vehicle may be operated at nighttime under the conditions specified in ss. 316.237 and 316.239, when equipped with two lighted lamps upon the front thereof capable of revealing persons and objects 100 feet ahead in lieu of lamps required in ss. 316.237 and 316.239. However, at no time when lighted lamps are required shall such motor vehicle be operated in excess of 20 miles per hour. A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318. <SMALL>
</SMALL>


However, at no time when lighted lamps are required shall such motor vehicle be operated in excess of 20 miles per hour.

OK, It was daylight and clear weather so these lights were not required.
The ordinance say's nothing about it being illegal for the driver electing to display these
lights in daylight or clear conditions.

Case dismissed

[duhtroll]

I'm really interested to hear how this turns out. Do you have problems with drag racers around your area?

[rumble]

Clearly their is no intent, stated or implied, in this statute to punish driving
in clear conditions with these lights on.

Obviously this LEO was mistaken.

[Marauder386]

However, at no time when lighted lamps are required shall such motor vehicle be operated in excess of 20 miles per hour.

OK, It was daylight and clear weather so these lights were not required.
The ordinance say's nothing about it being illegal for the driver electing to display these
lights in daylight or clear conditions.

Case dismissed


I agree ... key word is "required"...if I had wrote this, the Federal Magistrate would have had my azz fer a snack and then had my brain for lunch...JSO has always had a rep for being hardcore but then it gets overshadowed by mental-midgets like this...

:cool:

[fastcar]

I got pulled over for the same thing in MA with a 1988 T-Bird Turbo Coupe...
Cops/laws are for Russia, not America. Bunch of reds...:flamer:

fastcar:burnout:

[Logan]

Eh?



However, at no time when lighted lamps are required shall such motor vehicle be operated in excess of 20 miles per hour.

Way I read that, means that if it's nighttime and you're rolling with no headlamps over 20mph, you'll be cited.

Either way, if it was light out, and you can show that sunset occurred after the time of the infraction, it'll get dismissed.

[whd507]

I'd fight that one. if it were the case, all GM daytime running lights would be in violation.

[ridinclean]

Wow that cop had nothing better to do than stop you for something that petty. Thats BS Kari but thats JSO for you. I'd fight it.

[B.C. Bake]

Sometimes cheaper to negociate, scrap the points, cut the ticket 1/2 and move on. No headacke,no hassel but it does suck :censor::censor:

[Aren Jay]

You CANT AMEND a summons...Are you nuts?????


Its a sworn statement!
:confused:


Lawyers and cops ammend things in and out of court rooms all the time. Don't be surprised.

[kariamack]

OK finally went to court for this stupid ticket .....the really Bord cop wrote me up on the wrong citation OK long story short the judge throw the case out funnies thing I have ever heard

[jgc61sr2002]

Congrats - Thanks for the update.:D

[larryo340]

Good deal :D

[ParkRanger]

OK finally went to court for this stupid ticket .....the really Bord cop wrote me up on the wrong citation OK long story short the judge throw the case out funnies thing I have ever heard

Maybe you should follow up with a letter to the commander of this leo's unit explaining the circumstances of this citation. His boss needs to know what a bad cite this was leading to a gross waste of time and money to all concerned and perhaps will isolate this officer for more training before he get's himself or his agency in more serious trouble. That cite was poor judgement (in addition to being incorrect) :shake: and the officer needs to be evaluated.

PR :burnout:

[CRUZTAKER]

OK finally went to court for this stupid ticket .....the really Bord cop wrote me up on the wrong citation OK long story short the judge throw the case out funnies thing I have ever heard

BOOYA!!! And congratulations for self representation and winning. I have 3 under my belt...one in the Ohio Supreme court. I really hate dickheads like that.


Maybe you should follow up with a letter to the commander of this leo's unit explaining the circumstances of this citation.... :burnout:

Here in Cleveland, the LEO's were caught writing just such tickets only to have them thrown out. You know why?
Thousands of overtime hours being used by these cheating tax stealing officers. They did it for the court time.

[GreekGod]

...I got a ticket...on my moped...from a city motorcycle patrolman...the offense?...NO, not parading without a permit ;)...passing a stopped bus! He said mopeds must travel in the curb-side of the right lane (I always do), and cannot pass a stopped vehicle! The bus was stopped for passengers, well before a traffic light that had turned green.

The magistrate agreed that the officer was wrong in issuing the citation, and dismissed the ticket.

[mercaddict]

im looking for gods head embelem

[mercaddict]

gambinosrestaurant@sbcglobal.n et

[Aren Jay]

My Dad got out of a ticket once, mind you this was a long time ago, for some traffic violation because it was a sunday, and they were not allowed to ticket people for minor things on sundays.

Might check to see if you can be ticketed for minor things on the 4th of July. They almost never change old laws.

[MinnesotaMuscle]

Maybe you should follow up with a letter to the commander of this leo's unit explaining the circumstances of this citation. His boss needs to know what a bad cite this was leading to a gross waste of time and money to all concerned and perhaps will isolate this officer for more training before he get's himself or his agency in more serious trouble. That cite was poor judgement (in addition to being incorrect) :shake: and the officer needs to be evaluated.

PR :burnout:

OR.....Maybe some people need to lighten up! Cops have tough jobs, and surprise surprise there human too. I have had the misfortune of writing the wrong ticket, it happens. Good for you to recognize the mistake, but that doesn't mean you take the Officer out and burn him at the stake! My mistake came towards the end of a twelve hour shift of drug interdiction, I'm not going to get into the details but it was a simple mistake, which sounds like what this officer made.....a simple mistake.......

Do them a favor and cut Officers alittle slack, better yet, go for a ride-a-long. I have people do it all the time; it will give you a new respect of what an Officer has to deal with everyday, ALL DAY LONG.......

[fastcar]

OR.....Maybe some people need to lighten up! Cops have tough jobs, and surprise surprise there human too. I have had the misfortune of writing the wrong ticket, it happens. Good for you to recognize the mistake, but that doesn't mean you take the Officer out and burn him at the stake! My mistake came towards the end of a twelve hour shift of drug interdiction, I'm not going to get into the details but it was a simple mistake, which sounds like what this officer made.....a simple mistake.......

Do them a favor and cut Officers alittle slack, better yet, go for a ride-a-long. I have people do it all the time; it will give you a new respect of what an Officer has to deal with everyday, ALL DAY LONG.......

Give me a break. That power tripping jerk wrote a ticket for someone having their fog lights on during the day. That's NO MISTAKE. That right their is INTENTIONAL HARRASSMENT. They SHOULD get raked over the coals. It almost cost a member $118, not too mention heart ache and aggravation. Please, don't insult our intelligence. That jerk cop did it before, and will probably try it again if he thinks someone is having too much fun. Unless he DOES get into some trouble for it.

Don't you love it how these fools can mess around with you, take your time, your peace and then your money, and, if you succeed in court, NOTHING HAPPENS TO THEM? That is crazy. They should lose the amount of money from their paycheck that they wrote the ticket out for. THAT WOULD BE FAIR. It should go right into the town's bank account, or be split between the tax payers and the defendent.

You'd have to be a complete idiot to cite someone for that. If you're a cop, I hope you remember who you work for. If you are a good cop, God bless you. I've met a few, and we need them bad. But, where I'm from, a lot of cops forget they are public servants, hired by us to keep law and order. We don't need a bunch of big-shot morons on power trips running around in OUR CARS that WE PAID FOR harrassing the public. Think about it. We pay them to harrass us? Go find a crime. Do something useful!:flamer:

fastcar:mad2:

[RCSignals]

im looking for gods head embelem

Which emblem?

[MinnesotaMuscle]

.



My last post was written with the understanding that Kariamack received the particular citation because of a mistake, which I derived form this statement....



OK finally went to court for this stupid ticket .....the really Bord cop wrote me up on the wrong citation OK long story short the judge throw the case out funnies thing I have ever heard

Now if the Officer's full intention was to cite the man for driving during the daylight with his lights on, then yes maybe the Officer was wrong, I don't know the particulars of there township/city/county/state ordinances/rules/statutes. But it never amazes me to see how some people expect Officers to be perfect. I doubt you have never mad a mistake at work where somewhere down the line it costs someone else money, but they didn't come back and demand you repay them........And by the way your right, they are there to keep law and order, which by writing a traffic citation does just that, unless its you that gets that ticket right?

If there is not at ordinance/statutes to back up what the Officer cited him for then it might be as simple as he was instructed poorly, or misunderstood during his FTO. And then it would be the fault of morso the FTO not the Officer. BUT becies that, by stating "he is a complete idiot to cite someone that" just goes to show you how ignorant your views on things are.....because man, you don't have a clue........

[fastcar]

I stand by my statement: any cop that cites someone for having their fog lamps on during the day is an idiot.

I could be wrong on the particulars of Kariamack's case. Perhaps he could shed some light on this for us?

So, Kariamack, did the officer TELL you that you had your fog lamps on, and that this was a moving violation for which he was citing you?

Or, did he pull you over, and hand you a ticket for running with your fog lamps, and say nothing at all to you about why he was pulling you over or citing you?

Should be interesting...

fastcar:burnout:

[Shora]

And by the way your right, they (LEOS) are there to keep law and order, which by writing a traffic citation does just that, unless its you that gets that ticket right?

Sure they are there to keep law and order. Keep saying that and maybe more fools will believe that. A family member of mine is a young police officer and my neighbor of 11 yrs. is a Sargent. My point is that I know that many LEOS are honest and good in their personal lives.

However, many change 180 degrees once they put on that uniform. They become 1 of 2 things. Those who only care about generating money and those who make themselves feel tough by exercising the power of the badge.

Now back to the quote of yours about LEOS being there to keep law and order. If that was true, why is it that many if not most cops out right admit that they will almost NEVER give a citation to a fellow cop? Proves again that they are not there to keep law and order but rather about money and power. After all, if an off duty LEO violated a law that got him pulled over, why shouldn't the LAW be served in the same manner that it would the rest of us? No need to keep ORDER when it's a fellow LEO who broke the law.

This was even discussed here on this site and many of the LEO members here outright admitted that they will never ticket another cop.

I also know a few girls who get out of a ticket 100% of the time a male officer pulls them over. LOSER cops even exchange phone numbers with these girls. One cop was even stocking one of them and showed up at her house.

LAW AND ORDER MY A$$.

[Aren Jay]

When you meet a cop, say yes sir and agree with everything, but don't incriminate yourself. If questioned or arrested say nothing. If asked to come to the station ask if you are being arrested? If they say, and they often do, "if the is what it takes" say that it is what it takes. Say nothing else. When they arrest you say nothing, except and this is the first thing you say at the station, perferably while on tape, "I want my attorney" You could say lawyer but attorney sounds better.

Never ever officially talk to a cop about anything you have or might have or they think you have had something to do with.

Always know the name of your attorney, and or their phone number or somebodies number who you can call who can call the lawyer for you.

In my case it is my sister who is the family lawyer, she is married to a lawyer and I also have a slick (Dan Fielding/Alan Shore) type lawyer who is very good and doesn't want you to tell them that you killed six people, doesn't care if you did or not but just wants to be paid to get you off.

However, never be impolite to the police, never be rude or crude and never hit on the female officers. Especially if they arrest you.

Don't say anything, don't do anything other than physical things they tell you to do.

Cops are not there to be your friend.

Cops are not to be trusted.

Cops are paid to lie.

Never ever talk to a cop. (except on MM.net)

Cops are always on duty.

The difference between a dirty cop and a clean cop is the dirty cop is dumb enough to get caught.

[larryo340]

I think you need:
http://t2.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1229983320177&id=0ef1bf95d810c74c03b207e0424 a21e0
policeman aren't all like that, there are alot of good ones doing a thankless job that no one else can do or wants to.
I could go on and on, but I see no need.

[Aren Jay]

After being "highjacked" to follow a cop back to the station for questioning for something i didn't do. Having been told that I had to follow him and I asked if I was being arrested I got the "If that is what it takes" I said it was, so instead re quests my Drivers License and says if I want it back I will have to follow him to the station to get it back. Being a highschool student and not an adult I didn't get to discuss this with his sergeant who was supposedly a stand up guy, but isn't. Being under age and not having adequet representation or even the right to it as I wasn't being arrested even though I was locked into an interview room and only after talking to them was I allowed to have my drivers license returned. (having a near photographic memory helps me remember this) Only time they got apologetic was when my Dad chewed them both out. He being a police commissioner (they have less power in Canada) and they stopped bothering me after that. They are a bunch of lying crooks. Did he take my drivers license and order me to follow him to get it back " I don't recall" (which means yes, as everyone knows) Does anything happen to lying POS? Of course not. Except of course the wrath of someone more powerful than he, for all future events, ie my Dad.

But when you learn from experience you learn what not to do. Never ever believe a cop. Never ever trust a cop. Cops always lie. ...

[Peace2Peep]

Seems there's little hostility out there for the badge...I think it might be good for some of us to get a little "Me Time" and let the hurt go...In with the good air and thoughts and out with the anger and violence...

:lol:

[larryo340]

But when you learn from experience you learn what not to do. Never ever believe a cop. Never ever trust a cop. Cops always lie. ...

Will you still say that the day you need a cop on your side?

[GreekGod]

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[Professor]

Okay ... so the ticket was thrown out because the officer wrote the wrong statute. But my question is: Is it illegal to run your foglights during the day?

[Local Boy]

Should be no different than having "day lights" on the car (IMO)....As you know most new cars have them...

ALOHA

[fastcar]

I wish we could get Kariamack back on his own thread. Yo! Kariamack, where are you, man? I'm still interested in the answer to this:


Kariamack, did the officer TELL you that you had your fog lamps on, and that this was a moving violation for which he was citing you?

Or, did he pull you over, and hand you a ticket for running with your fog lamps, and say nothing at all to you about why he was pulling you over or citing you?

Should be interesting...

fastcar:burnout:

[rayjay]

Jeesh, sorry I revisited this. The next time you get robbed call the Hell's Angels, from what I've been told they run most of Canada.

[jgc61sr2002]

But when you learn from experience you learn what not to do. Never ever believe a cop. Never ever trust a cop. Cops always lie. ...[/QUOTE]



The next time you are in trouble the first one you will call is a Police Officer.

[fastcar]

If you haven't had a bad experience with a cop (yet) you are real lucky. I've had plenty. One of many:

When I was 18 I pulled up to a stop light and a guy jumped out of his car came up to me and started pounding on my window telling me I cut him off. I rolled it down a couple inches to try to talk and he grabbed it and shattered it (my face bled, too) A cop on a traffic detail was right near by, came over and started talking to the guy. I was real shook up, and waited for some justice. After a minute or two, they were laughing together about the whole thing. The cop came over and told me 'I can't do anything for you, I didn't actually see him do it', and walked away.

Even if he didn't see him do it, the guy admitted he did it, when he told the cop 'Sorry about his window'. Imagine, a cop when you need one, and look at the results...:mad:

Half of cops are dirty rotten crooks. Ask their wives. 1/2 of them are gigolos, and lowlifes - real bottom dwellers (Present company excluded, I'm sure.)

The other half (maybe 1/3) are fair to midland. Some are outstanding, totally cool people (like the ones on our forum).

One thing going against cops vis a vis traffic enforcement is the QUOTA SYSTEM. This discourages fairness, reasonableness, and encourages jerky, stupid, unfair behaviour. The end of the month is the worst, with cops citing people indiscriminantly, unfairly.

I think the QUOTA SYSTEM is one of the worst ideas ever. What a way to derive revenue for a town or state. It's horrible. It creates a lot of bad situations, bad blood, and contempt. States and towns should increase taxes the .1% they would need to, in order to do away with this rotten system. Then IMHO cops would more often go after gross violators, trouble makers, unsafe drivers.

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[GreekGod]

If you haven't had a bad experience with a cop (yet) you are real lucky. I've had plenty. One of many:

Half of cops are dirty rotten crooks. Ask their wives. 1/2 of them are gigolos, and lowlifes - real bottom dwellers (Present company excluded, I'm sure.)

The other half (maybe 1/3) are fair to midland. Some are outstanding, totally cool people (like the ones on our forum).
fastcar

I see you live in the open sewer known as "Liberal" Boston. Perhaps, if your experience with law enforcement is from said area, your experience with corruption would differ if you lived in an area with Midwest values. I have known good & bad police in my area, but big cities (like Chicago), North Carolina, the South, Ohio (including Ohio State police), New Jersey, and other select areas are known for crime and bad police.

[Shora]

Jeesh, sorry I revisited this. The next time you get robbed call the Hell's Angels, from what I've been told they run most of Canada.


Will you still say that the day you need a cop on your side?


The next time you are in trouble the first one you will call is a Police Officer.


I will be the first to admit that cops do A LOT of good. Yes, the world would be a totally different place if there were no cops.

That being said and even though I have a family member who is a cop and a close friend of the family who is a Sargent, I still honestly believe that many, if not most cops, take advantage of their badge. Period.

They have too must discretion when it comes to dealing with "non life or death" situations and they make the wrong decisions. Thus, many of us don't trust them or at the very least try to avoid them as much as possible.

Examples,

-We must KISS THEIR ASS when pulled over. Why should I call him "Sir" if he doesn't address me in such a respectful manner? Oh, so maybe if I kiss his ass enough he won't ticket me to his full power? F-That! Want respect, give it.

-How about some of my friends (2 HOTTTT girls) who get out of tickets 100% of the time. I kid you not. It's a huge thing around here. The cops are exchanging phone numbers with them and one even showed up at their house out of the blue. Humm, 18 MPH over the limit and no ticket because the cop is a LOSER and thinks he might have a chance to hook up? Yup, things like that really make you feel like they serve the LAW in a fair manner.

Note: How many of us have been pulled over for something stupid (like 1-5 MPH) and still got the ticket? Or getting pulled over because you ran your fog light during the day? What, they have nothing better or more important to do? Yet, if you are a great looking young girl you can get away with 18 MPH over the limit?

-Also, no body wants to talk about it but if cops are there to provide "Law and Order" then why do many (if not most) openly admit that they will almost never ticket another cop? It was even discussed here and many of the LEO members openly admitted that they will never ticket another cop. So this is serving the Law in a fair manner? Cops can speed and break other traffic violations while off duty and get away with it just because they are cops? They break the law and don't get ticketed like the rest of us yet they want us to respect them. Well, let me tell you that the public is not stupid and doesn't respect people who abuse their power (of the badge.)

So cops openly admit that they never ticket another cop and many cops don't ticket good looking girls yet many members here have told stories of getting tickets for (traveling as little as 1 MPH over the limit, "sounding" like they drove too fast because the cop didn't even clock them, and now driving with their fog lights on during the day).

Let's face the facts. Cops do a lot of good in many situations but many, if not most, abuse the power of the badge in ways that cause the public to not like them or even trust them.

Having family and a close family friend in law enforcement made me realize that there are good cops but maybe the institution is set up in a way that they get away with all these small abuses which over time causes the public to lose their trust and respect for the WHOLE institution.

[MinnesotaMuscle]

MN muscles WIFE

I put my babies to bed tonight knowing that their dad is working right now doing a difficult and dangerous job, and doing this to provide them with a roof over their heads, food in their bellies and making sure that they are safe in their own town. I have no smart a$$ comebacks for you or any anger to share, but thank you for reminding me how special he is.
Sincerely,
A Proud Wife of a Police Officer

[fastcar]

No smart a$$ comebacks or anger required. We are sure MN muscle is one of the good guys, glad to have him on the forum, and great to have you as well. Even those who have had rotten experiences are happy to know there are 'good guys';)

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[kariamack]

I wish we could get Kariamack back on his own thread. Yo! Kariamack, where are you, man? I'm still interested in the answer to this:



fast car:burnout:
yes that was the first thing he said .....i thought I was speeding ......I was in a 3 lane highway when i passed him ..he made a complete u turn and pulled me over, when he got out of the car he said do you know y I'm pulled you over...me like a dummy said was I speeding , he said no he couldn't tell if I was, but he said I pulled you over for having your fog lights on ..... I said that is a crime he said yes you cant have them on without having your head lights on....I said I never knew that ... me personally ...and I maybe wrong....I'm a black male .and at the time My brother was with me.. I thank he was racially profiling me I could be wrong but, i thank that is Wat happened maybe he saw a young black guy in a nice car and thought he had something...so when he ran my licence and nothing came back he had no choice but to give me that ticket this is just my thoughts on Wat happened

[fastcar]

Give me a break. That power tripping... wrote a ticket for someone having their fog lights on during the day. That's NO MISTAKE. That right their is INTENTIONAL HARRASSMENT. They SHOULD get raked over the coals. It almost cost a member $118, not too mention heart ache and aggravation.

yes that was the first thing he said .....i thought I was speeding ......I was in a 3 lane highway when i passed him ..he made a complete u turn and pulled me over, when he got out of the car he said do you know y I'm pulled you over...me like a dummy said was I speeding , he said no he couldn't tell if I was, but he said I pulled you over for having your fog lights on ..... I said that is a crime he said yes you cant have them on without having your head lights on....I said I never knew that ... me personally ...and I maybe wrong....I'm a black male .and at the time My brother was with me.. I thank he was racially profiling me I could be wrong but, i thank that is Wat happened maybe he saw a young black guy in a nice car and thought he had something...so when he ran my licence and nothing came back he had no choice but to give me that ticket this is just my thoughts on Wat happened
Sorry to hear that kariamack. Don't feel too bad about the racial part, though. It happens to whites, too.

I rest my case

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[RF Overlord]

I see you live in the open sewer known as "Liberal" Boston.That's a cheap shot and I resent it. There are good cops and bad cops everywhere.

[knine]

Try being a good cop that bad cops don't like. Hows that for an interesting twist?

[ParkRanger]

OR.....Maybe some people need to lighten up! Cops have tough jobs, and surprise surprise there human too. I have had the misfortune of writing the wrong ticket, it happens. Good for you to recognize the mistake, but that doesn't mean you take the Officer out and burn him at the stake! My mistake came towards the end of a twelve hour shift of drug interdiction, I'm not going to get into the details but it was a simple mistake, which sounds like what this officer made.....a simple mistake.......

Do them a favor and cut Officers alittle slack, better yet, go for a ride-a-long. I have people do it all the time; it will give you a new respect of what an Officer has to deal with everyday, ALL DAY LONG.......

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. The issue is not that he made a mistake using the the wrong vehicle code section - it's the poor judgment he used of citing for fog lamps during the day.
We can undestand that the leo used it for probable cause to investigate further (i.e., run the subject and the car, smell for booze, etc.) and then when nothing was found should have released, or issue a warning at worst. To further cite for this infraction was poor judgement (kinda like giving your boss or mother a ticket) and was compounded with citing the incorrect section. Maybe it's lack of life's experiences but in any event he needs to be evaluated. As we say in LA - a little "badge heavy" can get you into trouble. There's little room for judgement mistakes - they can be very costly.

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