Are headers worth it?

[Motorhead350]

Now that I have the Procharger #30 I was looking into getting headers or possibly a complete exhaust system. From what I heard it's 2 grand, but it really benefits for our cars when they are blown. Can anyone here say how much power they gained off of headers or a complete exhaust system and the difference in 1/4 mile time?

Thank you! :)

[RCSignals]

Take a look here

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36625

if you search around you'll find more

[Marauderman]

Now that I have the Procharger #30 I was looking into getting headers or possibly a complete exhaust system. From what I heard it's 2 grand, but it really benefits for our cars when they are blown. Can anyone here say how much power they gained off of headers or a complete exhaust system and the difference in 1/4 mile time?

Thank you! :)

AS RC has referred in his post # 2-- Yes--from Rich's ref. post his showed a gain of 15----
Actually, I am suprised that a blown MM already is without an upgraded exhaust system , headers, etc.--normally the MM woulds already have that at about the 300HP range and then the blower comes along--however I realize that many did it differently--it was in the beginning done this way as most of us beginners did it--

In either case--YES--DO IT!

[Loco1234]

http://www.stainlessworks.net/cart/index.php?cPath=380_360

[KillJoy]

I believe Mac got about EQUAL POWER from the Cobra Kit, and the Kooks Kit on his KB car.

Give him a call and see what his input would be.

:rolleyes:

KillJoy

[Motorhead350]

Is there any advantage of a complete exhaust system over just headers? Like the x pipe and different mufflers or is that just for sound?

[RCSignals]

If you want that nice ricer sound, use an X pipe :)

[KillJoy]

If you want that nice ricer sound, use an X pipe :)

HAHA!!! Yup...Dominick will probably get TWO X-Pipes if that is the case!!

:rofl:

KillJoy

[Motorhead350]

Now is it true that if I upgrade to a full exhaust system I can run more boost? I thought I would need more mods, this is just something I was told.

[KillJoy]

Now is it true that if I upgrade to a full exhaust system I can run more boost? I thought I would need more mods, this is just something I was told.


No, you cannot run more boost if you add an exhaust. You would need to have a built motor to safely handle more than 450RWHP... especially the way you are going tobe driving :rolleyes:

An engine is nothing more than a giant air pump. You are now forcing more air in. If you let it out faster, it will give you a wee bit more power.

With that being said... do you REALLY THINK that $2000 for 30RWHP is worth it at this point?

KillJoy

[Motorhead350]

With that being said... do you REALLY THINK that $2000 for 30RWHP is worth it at this point?

KillJoy

Thats what I am deciding... so far I say nay.

[BruteForce]

If you want that nice ricer sound, use an X pipe :)

Hey! I have a Kooks X-Pipe. Does my MM sound like a ricer? You got plenty of views from the rear on your last visit. :lol::burnout:

[KillJoy]

Thats what I am deciding... so far I say nay.


I agree.

:up:

If I were to upgrade my exhaust at this point, I would buy a set of Cobra Manifolds, and a matching H-Pipe (or have one custom fab'd). Then run that to whatever mufflers I decided on and Extended Tips (res del's...or stock). FAAAR cheaper than the Long Tubes, and damn CLOSE performance.

KillJoy

PS - even the Ford Shorties would work, but they are around $300. Cobra Manifolds are about $20 :D

[Motorhead350]

You got plenty of views from the rear on your last visit. :lol::burnout:

haha I can't wait to finally be talking like that at the track tonight.

[RCSignals]

Hey! I have a Kooks X-Pipe. Does my MM sound like a ricer? You got plenty of views from the rear on your last visit. :lol::burnout:

A nice H pipe will fix it, no problem ;)

Are you still planning a tuning session?

[Zack]

:
I believe Mac got about EQUAL POWER from the Cobra Kit, and the Kooks Kit on his KB car.

Give him a call and see what his input would be.

:rolleyes:

KillJoy

Hah! Good one :D

The Kooks blew the other exhaust away.

[BruteForce]

A nice H pipe will fix it, no problem ;)

Are you still planning a tuning session?

Sometime this summer. It appears to have self-adjusted itself a little leaner, as on our last group outing, it was reported that my exhaust fumes no longer make your eyes water.

[RCSignals]

Sometime this summer. It appears to have self-adjusted itself a little leaner, as on our last group outing, it was reported that my exhaust fumes no longer make your eyes water.

Did you try setting the boost-a-pump to 10? It might have been put on 20.

As you drive it the computer probably has been making some adjustment itself to fuel?

[KillJoy]

:

Hah! Good one :D

The Kooks blew the other exhaust away.


Then I was mistaken told, or misinformed by Mac.

So....what WAS the actual outcome? Did one "make" more power than the other? How much, and where from?

KillJoy

[Zack]

Then I was mistaken told, or misinformed by Mac.

So....what WAS the actual outcome? Did one "make" more power than the other? How much, and where from?

KillJoy

Couldnt tell you, I put the Kooks on when we installed a different engine.

[BigCars4Ever]

Watching you spend all this money on mods and repairs I've come to a conclusion.... If I had your money I'd just burn mine!

[bigal614]

Hey buddy, Exactly what year and/or what would I need to do this before I R&R my motor? Thanx.........Al

If I were to upgrade my exhaust at this point, I would buy a set of Cobra Manifolds, and a matching H-Pipe (or have one custom fab'd). Then run that to whatever mufflers I decided on and Extended Tips (res del's...or stock). FAAAR cheaper than the Long Tubes, and damn CLOSE performance.

KillJoy

PS - even the Ford Shorties would work, but they are around $300. Cobra Manifolds are about $20 :D[/quote]

[KillJoy]

Hey buddy, Exactly what year and/or what would I need to do this before I R&R my motor? Thanx.........Al

'03 Cobra Manifolds, '03 Cobra X or H Pipe, ~4" Entensions for the X or H Pipe, and some minor fab work for you EGR Tube (unless you eliminate the EGR).

KillJoy

[bigal614]

Are the Cobra manifolds worth the effort/work over our stock exhaust manifolds? and will they hurt the performance on an NA car?

[Big House]

Yep headers (SW longtubes are) See my sig and my last 1/4 mile time.

[RF Overlord]

Are the Cobra manifolds worth the effort/work over our stock exhaust manifolds? and will they hurt the performance on an NA car?The Cobra manifolds will not hurt the performance of an N/A car, but if installed by themselves are probably not worth the effort, unless you got them for a REALLY good price. I did notice an improvement when I installed the complete package from Dennis (manifolds and X-pipe with high-flow cats) back when I was N/A.

[mpearce]

Why replace a manifold with a manifold?

I have the SW longtubes like Big House. He's got me by less than 1 tenth in 1/4 ET. I have stock suspension, and no UD pullies.

Get the headers.

-Mat

[bigal614]

Yeah, I would love to have them but just can't afford actual headers right now! This new motor smoked me!!

[KillJoy]

Why replace a manifold with a manifold?




Because they flow more than stock, allow pre made X/H Pipes to mate up, are cheaper and are easier to install.

:up:

KillJoy

[mpearce]

Because they flow more than stock, allow pre made X/H Pipes to mate up, are cheaper and are easier to install.

:up:

KillJoy

It's still a manifold. A manifold is a manifold is a manifold. You can do anything with exhaust you want, as long as someone capable is doing it. My system is custom, and wasnt all that expensive to install.

[bigal614]

The SW longtubes are over $1000 aren't they? Thats just too much for me right now! Spent toooo much money with my training at Blackwater with more to come and this new motor that wasn't expected hurt the pocket! Trust me, owning 2 other Turbo vehicles I would LOVE to SC the Rauder and make it Rock!!!!!

[mpearce]

Trust me, owning 2 other Turbo vehicles

Turbo Buick?

My SW longtubes were less than $1000, and I got them ceramic coated.

-Mat

[bigal614]

Yup, 86 GN and a 2000 7.3 Excursion and they both have been tricked at least a little ;)

[KillJoy]

Blackwater


I know what this is.

PM me w/ your experience if you want to.

:up:

:D

KillJoy

[fastblackmerc]

Go with Mustang shorty headers, JetHot coated, customer down pipes, hi flow cats (2) custom X pipe & 4x8 or 5x9 Magnaflows

[mpearce]

Yup, 86 GN and a 2000 7.3 Excursion and they both have been tricked at least a little ;)

We have an 87 Turbo Regal T Type, as well as the Marauder. The Buick is my wifes car.

[gmtech]

i thought it was the 01 cobra manifolds you use on the MM...or is it the 03-04 cobra manifolds or are they the same:confused:

[KillJoy]

i thought it was the 01 cobra manifolds you use on the MM...or is it the 03-04 cobra manifolds or are they the same:confused:


03-04.

I am pretty sure others will NOT fit properly.

KillJoy

[Motorhead350]

I know what this is.

PM me w/ your experience if you want to.

:up:

:D

KillJoy

Ya I know too. Probably shouldn't have been mentioned here. :eek:

[MarauderTJA]

I would highly recommend the Stainless Works long tune headers. At the rate you are going with mods, do it!. You will lose some boost, but pickup horsepower on the big end. Plus they will sound awesome. Headers create power, period. In a blown application sooner or later you will need to go to long tubes headers. Do it now and get it over with. You will not regret spending the money. But thats my opinion. :burnout:

[O's Fan Rich]

I would highly recommend the Stainless Works long tune headers. At the rate you are going with mods, do it!. You will lose some boost, but pickup horsepower on the big end. Plus they will sound awesome. Headers create power, period. In a blown application sooner or later you will need to go to long tubes headers. Do it now and get it over with. You will not regret spending the money. But thats my opinion. :burnout:

That's what smaller pulleys are for!

[MarauderTJA]

That's what smaller pulleys are for!

True Rich as long as you make sure other things like the right fuel injectors, fuel pumps ,A/F and tune is right. Been there and done all this.

[Zack]

I recommend leaving your car stock. It will add years to your life.

[MarauderTJA]

I recommend leaving your car stock. It will add years to your life.

Too late for him Zack. He is already S/C'd.

[bigal614]

I was an Airborne Ranger Many Many years ago! Looking/want to go downrange so Have been training with Blackwater, did the pistol/carbine course in May and the High Risk Security Operators course last month, you can go to BW's website to look up any questions you have about any of the courses? I Highly recommend BW if your looking for Any training!!!! The Cadre are Incredible!! And Cool as **** as well!!! I Look Very forward to my next training session at BW!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana:


I know what this is.

PM me w/ your experience if you want to.

:up:

:D

KillJoy

[Motorhead350]

That's what smaller pulleys are for!

Don't I need other mods before I can do something like that? Isn't 12psi on a stock engine asking for trouble?

[MarauderTJA]

Don't I need other mods before I can do something like that? Isn't 12psi on a stock engine asking for trouble?


Not if the car is tuned properly. I was running 12 lbs of boost for almost two years on a stock motor.

[Motorhead350]

Not if the car is tuned properly. I was running 12 lbs of boost for almost two years on a stock motor.

Thats great news to me. :banana:

[RCSignals]

I was an Airborne Ranger Many Many years ago! Looking/want to go downrange so Have been training with Blackwater, did the pistol/carbine course in May and the High Risk Security Operators course last month, you can go to BW's website to look up any questions you have about any of the courses? I Highly recommend BW if your looking for Any training!!!! The Cadre are Incredible!! And Cool as **** as well!!! I Look Very forward to my next training session at BW!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana:

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[RCSignals]

Thats great news to me. :banana:

So what is your POA ?

[Motorhead350]

POA

Is that another saying for decision? :o

[RCSignals]

Is that another saying for decision? :o

sure. well?

[Motorhead350]

If I can get a set of headers in a week maybe, if it takes 4-6 forget it. I still need to plot out what to do because the Marauder is ruining my van budget and I need to stay focused on that.

[bigal614]

In some manner they seem similar but BW is by far the Biggest!! I looked into their site and training and the only courses that they show on their website are from 2006, whats up with that??? Go to blackwaterusa.com and read into everything they have to offer. This last course that I attended there was 2 guys from Hawaii and 2 guys from Vegas, that should say a little about how good BW really is if someone is willing to travel that far to train there. Let me know if I can help at all.


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